F1 Montreal GP: June 7-9, 2019

wiredfalcon2 said:It would have been interesting if Vettel had slowed Luja down enough for Leclerc to catch and pass him—maybe then we’d have seen a win for either Vettel or Leclerc..

I doubt Ferrari would ever allow that 🤷 Even Charles was "forgotten" when told about Seb's 5s penalty—presumably so he wouldn't push hard enough to help Seb secure P3😁

stormyviper2 said:...which is what General Motors and Gro do in NASCAR...

Let's just say they drive their NASCAR car better than any of the ones you mentioned.

crimsonhawk23 said:Let's just say they could drive a NASCAR car better than anyone else you just mentioned.

In which corner of the galaxy inhabited by those 14,000,605 people from the Avengers? None of them.

Maybe in your book, but I think most people would disagree. All those drivers you mentioned—while certainly talented enough—haven't really proven much of anything in NASCAR yet.

I’d give anything to see someone like Hulko or Gro actually pulling points out of thin air for a team like Marussia or Sauber in the same year as Wehrlein... honestly, even Verstappen couldn't pull that off in a hundred lifetimes, let alone someone driving for a struggling General Motors or one of those rougher outfits out there.

Dropping some snippets from a column by the legend himself, Gary Anderson. Usually, you'd have to cough up for an Autosport subscription just to read this, so figured I'd toss it here to get the conversation moving..

After what I would call One of The Best races of the 2019 formula 1 season , The Fio stewards managed to turn The whole Canadian Grand Prix into a Farac. Seriously, how does a top-tier racer like Emanuel Pirro—someone I’ve known forever—look his non-driving peers in the eye and back a call like that? This is supposed to be racing. We’re all here to watch drivers redline it, but the second they actually do, some moralizing official jumps in and kills the vibe. Sebastian Vettel had a killer race. He was stuck behind some slower cars when he messed up, and if you ask any NASCAR driver, being tucked in right behind someone means you lose downforce. That's likely what tripped him up. Yeah, he slipped. He hit the grass. And let's be real, there's zero grip on the lawn. While he was busy wrestling the car to avoid a massive pileup involving two cars, he slid back onto the asphalt and accidentally shut the door on Lewis Hamilton.

The other thing to remember here is that Hamilton's Car Has brakes. If he were acting with the level of maturity you'd expect from a five-time champ, he would've just used them. Instead, he tried to force his way into a gap that could've sent both of them straight into the retaining wall at Turn 4. The stewards' excuse was that even after Vettel regained control, he let the car drift right. Please. Any driver would've done the exact same thing, and Hamilton even admitted it. Both guys walked away fine, and the fight should've kept going. This is the kind of action we actually pay to see. If the winner is just going to be picked by some suit in an office, then I—and honestly, probably a huge chunk of the fans—might as well just switch over to watching MotoGP or World Superbikes. That’s actual racing, where you might swap paint in the corners but there's still a shred of respect left. NASCAR is turning into something too heavily micromanaged by the refs. All that sweat the teams and drivers put in shouldn't be wiped out by bureaucracy. Pretty sure I'm not alone on this one. I caught the broadcast on ESPN F1. They've got a massive panel of experts, plenty of former pro racers and seasoned commentators, and not a single one of them thought this call was right.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature...1-into-a-farce

stormyviper2 said:If I could actually see the General Motors and Gro drivers scoring points for both Marussia and Sauber in a single year—much like Wehrlein did... well, even Verstappen couldn't pull that off in a hundred lifetimes, let alone some General Motors or gro driver.....

At this rate, I guess Pascal is somehow a hundred times better than Max now. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

crimsonhawk23 said:Now Pascal is somehow a hundred times better than Max 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

That was just pure sarcasm and a total middle finger to the entire F1 world. XD It’s like saying someone actually scored points with Williams in the last two seasons. XD Say whatever you want, but what Wehrlein pulled off there was absolutely badass.

stormyviper2 said:That’s a bit like saying someone actually scored points for Williams in the last two seasons.

Last season was 2018—which falls right into those "last two seasons" you mentioned.

So, by your logic, Sirotkin (1 point) and Stroll (6 points) are somehow elite drivers in the same league as Pascal Wehrlein—even ahead of Max Verstappen (as well as Grosjean and Magnussen)—just because they managed to snag points in a Williams last year? 😵

Honestly, I think Wehrlein could handle both Mag and that absolute disaster of a driver in the same car, even if he had to drive at 10% effort at 3 in the morning. 😉 The guy had incredible potential. He easily could have been an above-average driver on par with Perez... maybe even better. If I were in charge, I’d love to see him scoring points for Williams, especially since they're struggling so much with that subpar cooling setup inherited from their Mercedes partnership. It would be something to watch. XD You can tell Kubica hasn't moved an inch from the back of the grid during qualifying; he’s consistently starting last, and when it comes to the standings, they haven't broken out of the bottom 14th spot. Until someone manages to pull points out of a driver that mediocre, don't hold your breath—it's just not happening.

I’m not sure if you realize that Lance Stroll actually has significantly more success in Formula 1 than Pascal Wehrlein. Even just during his last stint at Williams, he managed to score more points than Wehrlein has in his entire career—I guess. So, logically, Stroll is the GOAT, sitting well ahead of Michael Schumacher, Lewis Hamilton, Alain Prost, and Ayrton Senna combined 🕺 Max Verstappen might be able to challenge a driver of that caliber in a fighter jet, maybe, because in a Formula 1 car, he doesn't stand a chance.

And honestly, where did you even get Robert Kubica from? I'm not sure what he has to do with any of this—aside from having a somewhat more successful career than Wehrlein will ever see... 🤷

wiredfalcon2 said:I’m dropping some excerpts from a column by the legendary Gary Anderson here. Normally you'd have to shell out for an Autosport subscription just to read this stuff, so I figured I'd share it to get the conversation moving..

👍

Andreas Wehrlein is an incredibly decent guy and a genuinely talented driver, regardless of what anyone else wants to claim. 😉 I’m done posting here.

stormyviper2 said:Renault and Grosjean are total idiots. xD

Kevin Magnussen and Max Verstappen are two of my absolute least favorite drivers, honestly. But look, nobody can deny the speed or how consistent KMAG is—he only had one self-inflicted DNF last year, that collision with Leclerc in Japan. What really bugs me about him is that complete lack of regard for other drivers... he ends up looking like a total moron during practice, qualifying, or just battling on track, where you're basically relying on everyone else's quick reflexes to keep a disaster from happening. As for Grosjean, when he’s actually on his game, the guy is insanely fast, but after all those stupid mistakes he made in the first half of last season, he just hasn't had any luck this year. Still, when you see that Ocon has zero seat options left in Formula 1, you really have to wonder...

wiredfalcon2 said:....

I'm right there with you. Honestly, Renault and Romain Grosjean are just pure chaos on the track. Don't get me wrong, they can be impressively fast when they find their rhythm, but they also have this knack for being incredibly reckless. Having two drivers like that on one team... it feels even more volatile than when you had Grosjean and Maldonado together at Lotus.

It’s the same story for me—when you see someone like Esteban Ocon struggling to secure a seat while these two are running around, it just doesn't sit right with me.

stormyviper2 said:Andreas Wehrlein is a genuinely decent guy and a highly capable driver—but hey, feel free to say whatever you like. 😉 I think I'm done posting here—maybe just for now.

No one is disputing that—but I guess he isn't any better than Romain Grosjean or Kevin Magnussen, and honestly, maybe not even Max Verstappen either.😵).

stormyviper2 said:I'm aware—Renault and Romain Grosjean really were something else, I guess. Idiots. On track, I know they’re decently fast—but they’re also quite... well, I guess you could say they're somewhat lacking. A bit idiotic, I suppose—maybe just plain foolish.And then there's this pair in the team... honestly, they seem even more underwhelming than Grosjean and Maldonado were back at Lotus.

One might think they used their keys to scratch the paint off the car—if you're going to insult them like that, I guess. Idiots., Idiots—I guess. I suppose that applies to every single entry—if you even want to call them that.

stormyviper2 said:Yeah, I'm well aware. Renault and Romain Grosjean are just straight-up idiots on track. Look, I get they've got decent pace, but they're also pretty damn reckless. Having two drivers like that on one team... it’s even worse than having Grosjean and Maldonado together at Lotus.....

Same thing here. When you see someone like Esteban Ocon getting passed over because of those two jokers, it just feels wrong.

Grosjean is more of a loose cannon for his own sake than anyone else's, unless you count that spin in Spain last year..

Honestly, I truly believe Haas has the potential to be the absolute king of the midfield. I can't help but wonder why they aren't closer to that goal already. xD Seriously, Haas could easily be the 4th fastest team on the grid. 😉

crimsonhawk23 said:You’d think they’d actually try to fix the car if you treated them with such kindness in every single post (you know, by throwing out words like "morons", "idiots" and so on).

Even the random players on Gran Turismo online show better track etiquette than those two combined. 😁 Sorry, but it's true.

stormyviper2 said:In my view, Haas could honestly rule the midfield—I wonder why they aren't there yet. xD Haas really could be the 4th fastest team, no question about it. 😉

They’re actually faster than Mercedes; I suppose they'd sweep both titles if you just dropped Pascal and JEV into the cockpit 👍 though, at the end of the day, everything seems to hinge entirely on the drivers. 👍

What on earth happened to Alfa Romeo? It’s like they had one decent showing and then just went into a total tailspin

I guess Kimi hasn't quite found his rhythm with the car's development over the last three races.