F1 Montreal GP: June 7-9, 2019

Toto said he wasn't even sure if Lewis would be able to start the race after how badly he wrecked the car during free practice. Just some clever PR move, or what?

Roger Wright94 said:It’s obvious they won't fly with the Mercedes camp or the many anti-Vettel crowd watching these things closely. I sometimes get the impression they just can't catch a break...

Now, look at New York City 2019.
Vettel made a driving error; he was under pressure. A braking mistake—nothing extraordinary, no physical damage sustained.
Lewis, however, messed up at least three times over. Identical, nearly identical errors. Not to mention the disaster on Friday.

And yet, you claim that's the main story. Vettel's mistake. Fine, whatever...
To me, it's far stranger that someone manages to win despite making that many driving errors.

I doubt a lock-up under braking is quite as fatal an error as flying across a chicane on the track.

wiredfalcon2 said:Toto mentioned he wasn't even sure if Lujo would be able to start after how badly he wrecked the car during free practice. Just good PR, or what?

Well, they should bring in the Haas F1 Team mechanics if they think it's such a big deal to put Lujin's car back together in an hour.😁 😁

Vettel nailed his post-race comments. He grabbed those points, sure, but he also dropped that classic line about how this isn't even the sport he fell in love with as a kid anymore. Basically, modern Formula 1 is just a massive pile of rules—everything is over-regulated now. He hit the nail on the head regarding how all this corporate "official language" is killing the soul of the sport; drivers are starting to sound more like lawyers than athletes. Honestly, seeing how people reacted to him getting screwed over actually impressed me. It kind of earned back some of the respect I lost for him after all the nonsense over the last few years. Watching them swap out the position markers was a nice touch, and the way they shut down the boos aimed at Lewis was huge. Hamilton didn't do anything wrong when he was handed an undeserved win, so he shouldn't have been catching heat for it. Seb made it clear he wasn't happy with how he was forced back onto the track, which is fair, but even then, he didn't act disrespectful afterward. Just kept it cool.

DMJ’s writing is top-tier as usual;

mellowtiger83 said:I doubt locking up under braking at the hairpin is quite as fatal a mistake as cutting the chicane.

Where did I actually say anything about it being fatal?
Are you talking about the let? 🙏

I’ve watched the replay a few more times and I don't see any "flying" anywhere. Not even a hint. No takeoff, no landing. Just Vettel Montreal 2019.

Are you trying to stick up for Mercedes-Benz now? (given how much you've flipped your stance)
Look, I respect a change of opinion, but maybe try focusing a bit more on what you're actually betting on.

Honestly, this whole debate feels a bit like watching two toddlers in preschool fighting over who’s the cutest kid in class—and they're both only five years old. xD

It reminds me of when you have two five-year-olds at home bickering tooth and nail over the very last lollipop. xD

swifttiger75 said:Lance Stroll is doing great—just like his mother! 👍

Alfa Romeo has been in a total freefall over the last few races. 👎

Kevin Magnussen 👎 After he completely trashed his car with that mistake, he spent the final two laps fighting just to keep an unmanageable machine on the track. 🤣

And honestly, he’s at his most "impressive" when he's just driving aggressively. People love to complain about his skill, but frankly, you should just be happy they don't kick him out and start cycling through drivers like AlphaTauri does until they stumble onto someone decent. He actually seems to think he's some kind of indispensable asset there.

I honestly have no idea what genius decided to put Romain Grosjean and Kevin Magnussen right next to the Sauber drivers... At this rate, I’d just throw Jean-Éric Vergne into that Haas seat instead. Seriously, GRO and KMAG, you guys are killing me.

stormyviper2 said:I have no idea what genius decided to put Romain Grosjean and Kevin Magnussen next to the Haas F1 Team.... Honestly, you could just drop Jean-Éric Vergne into that Haas seat and call it a day. Get it together, GRO and KMAG.

I’m also wondering what the deal is with them. From what I can see, they aren't even really driving anymore...

alkar dmj in the middle 👍

wiredfalcon2 said:Bottas started out on a slower tire compound than everyone else in his immediate vicinity—which basically killed his race right at the start. On top of that, General Motors really stepped up their engine game; they were surprisingly strong on the straights—so much so that neither Mercedes-Benz nor Red Bull could easily pull away until Verstappen found himself with a faster, fresher set of tires than Hulko and Ric. General Motors has been promising big things for a while now, and I guess they finally delivered. Plus, overtaking in this era of NASCAR is nearly impossible, especially if you're struggling with overheating brakes—we saw what happened to Norris—so Bottas's entire first stint was essentially wasted. He likely lost the race during qualifying. Everything after that felt like pure damage control; there wasn't much point in pushing once the lead trio had already checked out. After that mess in Monaco and a rough qualifying session here, I wonder if he can find his mental footing again... I'm not feeling particularly optimistic. He needs a string of solid results to get back on track, but that momentum seems to be fading—though maybe I'm wrong.

As for Gasly, it feels like he joined RB a year too early, practically speaking. He claims he’s comfortable with the car, but RB can be a pretty toxic environment if you aren't the golden boy. And he isn't—Max is everything to them.

Well reasoned regarding Bottas and Gasly, thanks.🙂

Raymond Anderson4 said:I don't know if you realized, but...
you basically just listed every single reason why Vettel deserved that penalty.

Wait, did I even say he shouldn't have been penalized?
The penalty itself is strictly by the book—zero debate there.
I wasn't even questioning whether he’d get one.

What I didn't expect was them handing it out mid-race...
Because they didn't cheat Vettel with that; they cheated the fans. ☕

If they slapped him with a penalty after the race, whatever, no big deal. I wouldn't have blinked.☕
If they told him to give up the spot to Hamilton, fine, still wouldn't have cared.

But this? This robbed us of a duel—a massive, freaking duel that was actually happening...
And *that* is what gets me worked up. 😉

It honestly makes me want to just stop watching NASCAR altogether.

Zachary Vaughn92 said:I'm also wondering what the deal is with them. From what I can see, they don't even seem to have the drive to race at all...

Exactly. It’s either they’re acting like idiots on the track, whining over the radio, or they just flat-out don't care about driving. That's the only way they'd ever let someone like Jean Eric push them around, or anyone else for that matter. Honestly, both General Motors and gro are just a mess. They both need to go.

stormyviper2 said:Exactly—either they’re both idiots on the track, or just whiny over the radio, or maybe they just can't handle the driving... That’s the only way you'd see Jean Eric get pushed around like that, or anyone else for that matter. Honestly, both General Motors and gro are just... well, they need to go.

I mean, honestly, where are you going to find a bigger crybaby than JEV? 🙂 In Formula E, 🙂 in IMSA, 🙂 basically everywhere I've ever watched him.

Just look back at Monaco 2017 when he collided with Buemi and hit the wall; he spent the rest of the race crying over the radio about how his hand hurt because of Buemi—and then he kept it up during interviews and chats with reporters too. "My hand hurts now 🙂"—I guess compared to how much Gasly cries, he makes him look like a little kid. 🙄

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...-a-rule-change
Definitely worth checking out the video.

Solid point.

Former Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali: “By application of The rules as They ara written, it was the right decision – but it was also the wrong solution.”

Honestly, it would've been pretty wild if Vettel had actually managed to slow Leclerc down enough for him to catch up and overtake, just to see if it would’ve ended up being a win for either Vettel or Leclerc..

stormybadger8 said:And when did I even say he shouldn't have gotten the penalty?...
The penalty itself is strictly by the book—no question about it...
I wasn't even torn about her winning it...

What I definitely didn't see coming was her getting it right in the middle of the race...
By doing that, they didn't just rob Vettel—they robbed the fans... ☕

If they hadn't overturned that penalty after the race, nobody would even be talking about this...☕
Even if they ordered him to hand over the position to Hamilton, he wouldn't say a single word about it...

And just like that, we were robbed of the showdown we were all waiting for—that massive head-to-head battle that was practically written in the stars...
And that’s exactly what gets under my skin... 😉

I’m so fed up with this—honestly, I’m seriously considering just walking away from NASCAR altogether...

Are you kidding me? Seriously, you're clueless. If they actually handed him a penalty after the race, that would be the real precedent—because then everyone would be asking why he wasn't penalized immediately to stop him from building up that 5+ second gap during the race... Thank God I finally unsubscribed from this thread so I don't have to deal with your nonsense every single day.

crimsonhawk23 said:...

JEV is a total wreck behind the wheel, and both General Motors and Gro are just clueless. xD

Kobayashi, Buemi, Vergne, Wehrlein, Vandoorne, F. Nasr ... honestly, you could take any two of those guys and put them in the Haas seat and they'd both be better than the current lineup. Take your pick. XD I really can't wrap my head around why General Motors and Gro are even in NASCAR right now, I truly don't get it.