F1 Montreal GP: June 7-9, 2019

wiredfalcon2 said:Don't try to play games here—first you claim Vettel said he didn't see him, then you flip it and say he actually did see him... if you truly knew *when* he saw him, you wouldn't be spinning this, because Vettel never specified the exact moment he spotted him, only that he did see him.

And once again, you're dodging the most critical point while accusing Vettel of being shady—if the stewards had been Jenson Button, Nigel Mansell, and Martin Brundle, Vettel wouldn't have even faced a penalty, simply because they wouldn't have interpreted it that way.

Vettel mentioned seeing him after he had stabilized the car and noticed Hamilton was behind him.



What he failed to mention, however, is that after that initial glance, he still drifted to the right to cut him off.

Now, look—Button, Mansell, and Brundle were watching the broadcast, sure, but the stewards have access to much more data than just what we see on TV.

A further reason the stewards established was through the use of an extra CCTV camera view of the incident, which was not broadcast on the international feed, showing Vettel's Head looking in the mirrors at where Hamilton was during these moments when he was releasing the wheel to the right.

Onboard footage of the Vettel incident also shows his head looking towards the mirrors in the moment when he is drifting out, suggesting he knew where Hamilton was.

The guy kept bringing up "grass on the wheels" over and over, but then that grass mysteriously vanishes, and suddenly he’s got perfect control over the car again. It’s wild how that move to block Hamilton—which was clearly just an attempt to cover up a mistake—turned out to be a total masterstroke. That grip situation is bizarre; one second there's absolutely nothing there, and the next, it's like he's glued to the track.

Summary: viewership was pretty mediocre today. Vettel messed up again, penalty or no penalty, he just couldn't get it right. Then there's Hamilton, acting like a complete pushover—first complaining over the radio, then that whole awkward bit dragging Vettel onto the podium, and finally claiming, "I would have done the same thing." It’s cowardly, frankly. That said, regardless of how anyone feels about his character, his driving remains superior. I can't help but wonder when luck will finally decide to flip the bird to Hamilton; it's almost fascinating how everything seems to go his way lately.

The Grand Prix is over. The teams have already packed up and cleared out, and the drivers have moved on to enjoy their millions. Meanwhile, the small-minded crowd is still here, bickering and losing sleep over things the drivers probably forgot about hours ago.

Roger Wright94 said:All things considered, I’d say I’m satisfied. The race

Roger Wright94 said:...what a loser...

...retreating back to his little gang...

...nothing but a pretty boy...

...a spineless, hypocritical wretch...

Based on your choice of words, I wouldn't exactly call you "satisfied." 👍

gentlemoose57 said:

And there you go, even 🙂Nico
is saying it.

Plus, if you want to talk about sloppy driving, he was absolutely floorin' it on the grass. If that was just free practice, imagine how hard he’d be pushing during the actual race...

I mean, whether that actually earns him a 5-second penalty is highly debatable, but yeah, that move was definitely messy and lacked any real precision.

Jack Kelly5 said:Unless Ferrari messes it up, Vettel will. If he hadn't made that rookie mistake, Lewis would have passed him in a heartbeat, and we wouldn't even be talking about penalties. With an American car like this Ferrari, Zver Alonso would have swept every single race by now. They should have brought him back yesterday; he's really the only one who can pull Ferrari out of this slump.

I think Alonso would still be trailing behind the finish line three months from now... mostly because he doesn't have the technical knack for developing a car like Kimi or Vettel does.
Sure, his mental toughness is top-tier, but when it comes to helping the engineers refine the machine, he's got nothing to offer.
Honestly though, I don't care for any of them. All three of them are pretty terrible in my book—even Lewis. xD

gentlemoose57 said:https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...anada/4461461/

Telemetry data confirmed it. Hamilton had to slam on the brakes just to dodge Vettel. It’s clear the Mercedes driver was completely blindsided by what his rival did there.

Anyway, I was just curious about that.

Right after that, though, you see Vettel fight off the oversteer and start pulling the wheel left to track along the curve—it looks like he’s finally got things under control.

But just a heartbeat later, instead of staying left, Vettel lets go of the wheel. This causes the car to drift hard to the right, completely blocking the line Hamilton would've taken if he actually had room to maneuver.

That specific move to straighten the wheel, which put Vettel into The path of Hamilton, is what everyone thinks led the stewards to their unanimous decision to penalize him.

And honestly, this was obvious to anyone watching the onboard camera they showed the fans.

It seems not everyone has cleared out of town just yet. There I am, sitting down for breakfast, and wouldn't you know it—Daniel Ricciardo is having breakfast too.

gentlemoose57 said:Sebastian Vettel mentioned seeing him right after he stabilized the car, saying Lewis Hamilton was right behind him.

What he didn't mention, though, is that he drifted even further right after that just to shut him out.

Jenson Button, Nigel Mansell, and Martin Brundle were all watching the broadcast. The stewards have a bit more info to work with.

He goes, "I don't know how close Lewis was, sort of there." And again, like I said, it’s all just steward interpretation—deciding if Sebastian Vettel actually had enough control or the intent to send Luigi Fagioli into the wall at that moment.

But whatever. I've been following this sport for maybe 30 years. Maybe I'm just old school, back from the days when Gerhard Berger talked Ayrton Senna into taking out Eddie Irvine because the guy came back onto the same lap as Senna. I'm just not used to this kind of nonsense. This is a classic racing incident. It's totally normal for Luigi Fagioli to lift when he sees Sebastian Vettel is off track; he would've slowed down even if Sebastian hadn't swerved back onto the racing line. The stewards decided he intentionally allowed another slide to the right to block him, which is just insane... etc.

Jerry Moore61 said:...

Man, you really lucked out! You're one fortunate soul.

Jerry Moore61 said:Looks like not everyone cleared out of town yet. I’m sitting here having breakfast, and then suddenly there’s Daniel Ricciardo also grabbing breakfast.

Just walk up to him and tell him he’s the best driver of the new era after Fernando Alonso. If I’d actually said that to him myself... ☕

I’d definitely go after getting a photo and an autograph, but honestly, doing that over breakfast feels a bit rude. Lucky guy.

There I am. Just a real ray of sunshine, clearly.

I’d give just about anything to be in your shoes right now, man. You are one lucky guy! 🙂

Jerry Moore61 paparazzi 🙏

I’ve gotta say, I’m seriously impressed with Daniil Kvyat. Honestly, seeing how much he's leveled up lately, I wouldn't be shocked at all if he ended up landing a seat at Red Bull Racing. His progress has been huge. 😉

cosmiccyclist8 said:paparazzi hunter 🙏

That's me!

Jerry Moore61 said:Looks like not everyone cleared out of town just yet—I'm sitting here having breakfast, and wouldn't you know it, Daniel Ricciardo is grabbing breakfast too.

Stalker...

Come on, if you guys actually ran into your lifelong hero, you wouldn't just stand there—you'd be begging for a photo, right? LOL. You're all just playing dumb now. XD