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Participants Michael Harris20Patrick MartinRyan Roberts31Rebecca Peterson3briskhound2Susan HernandezSean Bailey75dustyfalcon122jadetiger37vivideagle7Brandon Fox2Edward Price6Lawrence Booth2Angela Davis4Richard Wilson4bluenomad2feralharbor8frozenwolf25Jessica Morris6Rachel Hall29Michael Jackson10Scott Allen33Sam WatsonSophia Grant39
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#61 ·
feralharbor8 said:Verne actually pushed for realism quite a bit.

Guardians are basically just a comedic version of Riddick's Chronicles.

And honestly, 95% of this stuff is garbage, but if they make more Sci-Fi movies, they'll eventually make more good ones too. The Martian is finally one solid Hard Sci-Fi flick.

Don't spoil it for me, but what makes The Martian Hard Sci-Fi?

Based on the trailer, I thought it was going to be something like Gravity.

To me, Sci-Fi needs at least a few of these:
-robots and AI
-time travel
-aliens
-lasers
-fast space travel and hopping between planets
-future settings, whether it's post-apocalyptic or high-tech, etc.
Jessica Morris6 Jessica Morris6 Active Member
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#62 ·
I haven't actually sat down to watch it myself, but it's pretty obvious—they’re working with advanced technology that we just haven't even dreamed of yet. Right now, Americans aren't even capable of making it to Mars, let alone surviving once they get there...
Sean Bailey75 Sean Bailey75 Member
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#63 ·
Patrick Martin said:Looking at the more recent stuff—specifically everything from 2010 onwards—there are definitely some gems that have been somewhat overlooked:

Chappie (2015)
Ex Machina (2015)
Lucy (2014)
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (2014)
Under the Skin (2013)
Snowpiercer (2013)
Looper (2012)
Dredd (2012)
Source Code (2011)

And that definitely doesn't make the top 10.

I have to say, I’m feeling pretty satisfied lately with both the sheer volume and the overall quality of Sci-Fi hitting the scene. It's been a great run. ☕

Well, looking at your list, I actually haven't seen Under the Skin yet, so I definitely have some catching up to do on my watchlist! Personally, I feel like we're seeing a higher caliber of Sci-Fi films today than we used to. Even if there are more bad movies floating around now compared to back in the day, the quality of the good stuff seems to be trending upward.

frozenwolf25 said:I'm not quite sure who here has seen what, but for instance... i Origins, Advantageous, Sound of My Voice i Origins Her.

Edit - I forgot! Cloud Atlas.

Wow, three overlooked gems! Honestly, I just finished watching Atlas, and it was absolutely phenomenal. I actually tried getting through i Origins, but I ended up turning it off halfway through because the plot felt a bit too much like a comic book for my taste. That said, I’ve been seriously considering heading back to the theater to catch Atlas again; those scenes were just spectacular. Thanks so much for these three recommendations—I'll definitely be hunting them down to check them out soon.

Mark Cruz15 said:I haven't had a chance to watch it myself yet, but it’s pretty obvious—they're working with advanced technology that we just don't have access to yet. Honestly, we Americans aren't even capable of making the trip to Mars quite yet, let alone surviving out there.

Everything—and I mean absolutely EVERYTHING—regarding the technology shown in The Martian actually exists. It’s all real. The catch? It is incredibly expensive. We're talking about costs so astronomical that, at this moment, there isn't a single nation on Earth that could realistically afford to fund it all at once. In fact, much of the tech we see has already been tested on Mars with great success. Ever since Curiosity landed, we've been receiving a steady stream of data from the Red Planet every single day. It makes you wonder: is The Martian even really Sci-Fi anymore? If someone managed to scrape together enough capital, this kind of scenario could realistically happen "tomorrow."
Edward Price6 Edward Price6 Active Member
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#64 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Don't spoil it for me, but what counts as Martian SF?

I thought from the trailer it was going to be like Gravity.

Sci-Fi needs to have at least some of this:
-robots and AI
-time travel
-aliens
-lasers
-fast space travel and visiting multiple planets
-a future that's post-apocalyptic, high-tech, etc.

Have we sent a person to Mars yet? Nope. So, it's fiction. Nuff said.

Same deal with Gravity. Jumping from station to station (among other things) isn't actually possible like they show, hence, fiction.
jadetiger37 jadetiger37 Member
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#65 ·
Sean Bailey75 said:Look, if we're being real here, most of those massive blockbusters are basically just kids' movies. I mean, seriously—how are you going to argue that Harry Potter, the Marvel Avengers, Lord of the Rings, or Minions belong in the serious Sci-Fi category? Even Avatar is an animated movie at its core. If we start shoving everything into the Sci-Fi bucket, then fine, let's just throw the Mockingjay series or Maze Runner in there instead of calling them teen flicks. At that point, every critic, every fantasy movie, everything could be Sci-Fi. Even if the plot is stupid or totally unrealistic, people would claim it's Sci-Fi just because the script isn't grounded in reality.

That’s exactly why I said I was broadening the topic... 🤷

The way the author "clumsily" labeled Sci-Fi—as in, everything being produced right now—is a whole different story. I think he was trying to emphasize how much they rely on visual effects over actual acting...

I'm definitely not saying that anything stupid or unrealistic automatically counts as Sci-Fi. And regarding those "kids' movies" mentioned—I'm pretty sure a huge chunk of the audience watching them aren't actually "kids," they're just people willing to drop cash on a movie ticket. That's really the crux of it.

But also, I don't get this personal offense being taken about everything being lumped into Sci-Fi. You brought up the Avengers, so I'll add Iron Man and Transformers—all of those have Sci-Fi elements and are categorized as such. It's not jadetiger37 making that claim; it's IMDb and the studios that made them. Look, if it barks like a dog and looks like a dog, there's a good chance it's actually a dog!
Whether they're good or bad movies is entirely up to individual taste.

Personally, I'm a fan of dramas and psychological thrillers, and yeah, I'll admit there are plenty of bad examples out there that don't make the genre itself look any less legitimate. 🍿
Sean Bailey75 Sean Bailey75 Member
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#66 ·
jadetiger37 said:That’s exactly why I mentioned expanding the scope of the topic... 🤷

When the author somewhat "clumsily" labeled things as Sci-Fi, they're talking about something else entirely regarding what's being produced right now. I suspect they were trying to emphasize the heavy reliance on visual effects over actual acting performance..

I'm certainly not suggesting that anything stupid or unrealistic automatically gets shoved into the Sci-Fi bucket. As for the claim that these specific works are "childish"—I'm fairly certain a huge chunk of the audience consists of people who aren't "kids" anymore, yet they're the ones buying movie tickets.. And that's really the crux of it.

But, at the same time, I don't quite get this personal offense taken regarding everything being lumped under the Sci-Fi umbrella. Since you brought up the Avengers, let me add (looking strictly at the box office) Iron Man and Transformers—they all contain Sci-Fi elements and are categorized as such. That isn't jadetiger37 making claims; that's IMDb and the studios themselves. I figure if it barks like a dog and looks like a dog, there's a pretty good chance it actually is a dog!
Now, whether those films are better or worse is entirely up to individual taste.

Personally, I have a soft spot for dramas and psychological thrillers, though I admit there are bad examples out there that don't diminish the genre they belong to. 🍿

Yes, you explained that very well, and you've actually enlightened me because I'm only now realizing just how massive the influx of Sci-Fi films really is. It seems many of them are tailored for younger audiences just to fill up theater seats. The Avengers, Transformers, Zelezni—they're all fun, solid movies because their primary goal is pure entertainment.

I also lean more toward dramas and psychological thrillers, but Sci-Fi sits firmly in third place for me, especially when it incorporates elements from the first two. That’s why I thought Gravity was magnificent, and The Martian was absolutely stellar. It feels to me like Sci-Fi is evolving, expanding its boundaries, and getting progressively better.

Regarding this "lumping everything into Sci-Fi" thing, I'm thinking of teen-centric flicks like Maze Runner or The Hunger Games. If you took that exact same plot and set it in a modern-day, unknown country, nothing would change except the movie would feel totally unconvincing. For instance, Rambo used to take down helicopters with arrows 😁 whereas Jennifer Lawrence is taking down jet engines. The reality is, who would believe Jennifer could survive even a few minutes in Afghanistan using just a bow and arrow against a well-organized force? 😁 Maze Runner is the same deal; if they had decided to make a story about escaping a juvenile detention center, they would have needed to develop deep psychological profiles for the leads. But it's much easier to just crank up the special effects and call it Sci-Fi, isn't it? 😉
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#67 ·
Edward Price6 said:Have we actually sent someone to Mars yet? Nope. So, it's fiction. Nuf said.

It's the same deal with Gravity. That whole "Frogger" style jumping from station to station (among other things) just isn't happening like they show it, hence, fiction.

Look, it's called artistic liberty, not magic. 😉
feralharbor8 feralharbor8 Member
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#68 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Don't spoil it for me, but what qualifies as Martian SF?

I thought from the trailer it was going to be something like Gravity.

Sci-Fi needs to have at least some of these:
- robots and AI
- time travel
- aliens
- lasers
- fast space travel and visiting multiple planets
- futures that are post-apocalyptic, high-tech, etc.

Sci-Fi must explore the potential future application of scientific principles and their consequences. A lot of cliché adventure Sci-Fi doesn't actually do this, or does it poorly. Even if they are sold as Sci-Fi and are often very entertaining, they aren't the foundation of the genre.

Sci-Fi is also split into Hard and Soft. Hard Sci-Fi leans toward scientific accuracy (that includes The Martian, which is pretty extreme Hard Sci-Fi since it doesn't deviate much from today's technology and is set only slightly in the future). Soft Sci-Fi doesn't care as much about scientific correctness, though by the classic definition, Soft Sci-Fi focuses more on sociology and the humanities.

http://www.kheper.net/topics/scifi/grading.html

Mark Cruz15 said:I haven't seen it either, but it's obvious—they have advanced technology we don't have yet. Americans aren't capable of getting to Mars yet, and probably wouldn't survive.

Right now, it's mostly a matter of implementation details. SLS, for example, isn't ready and is quite inefficient (that's the rocket the Americans use in the movie and book). It's not very sophisticated. Andy Weir is personally against developing that rocket, but he expected it would be built for political reasons, so it's in the book. Other usable technologies are currently under development.
Sean Bailey75 Sean Bailey75 Member
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#69 ·
feralharbor8 said:At this stage, it really comes down to implementation details. SLS, for instance, isn't even ready yet, and honestly, it’s pretty inefficient (that's the rocket the Americans use in both the movie and the book). It isn't exactly cutting-edge technology either. Andy Weir himself is actually against developing that specific rocket, but he expected it would be built due to political maneuvering, which is why it made it into the book. There are other technologies currently in development that could eventually be utilized.

If you happen to live in Washington, D.C., you have the chance to attend lectures at the technical museum hosted FREE of charge by Ante Radonić on the subject of astronautics. He has presented existing technologies on several occasions and holds several lectures and symposiums every year regarding travel to Mars and both past and future missions.

Right now, only Russia possesses a proven and established technique (I mean actual physical vehicles capable of traveling into Space, not just theoretical tech) for crewed missions, and China will soon have it too. For any other nation, it is simply far too expensive; in fact, it’s actually cheaper for Americans to buy transport services from the Russians until Elon Musk can get those purchased Kuznjecov rocket engines (sourced from the Russians) fully operational and launch the full SpaceX program without their rockets falling apart. The Space Shuttle program was shut down primarily because it was too costly, and until someone discovers a more affordable way to travel through Space, I wonder if we will see much progress. Elon Musk has stated that unless we find a revolutionary solution that is cheaper than reactive engines, returning people from Mars won't be economically viable. Just to give you an idea of the budget—a round-trip ticket to Mars is a hundred to a thousand times more expensive than a one-way trip. And even a one-way trip is already prohibitically expensive for the USA, unless some private entity somehow manages to scrape together $1 trillion, which is what it would cost. The entire US budget (the wealthiest nation in the world) is around $3.5 trillion—just to clarify for anyone confused by the translation—so, as it stands, it's financially impossible. Some scientists claim that in about twenty years, that figure could drop to "only" around 100 billion, but the real question is whether a one-way mission even makes sense. It is better to find a cheaper way to navigate Space than to burn through most of the budget just on fuel.

If we can get back to the main topic, I noticed a film on YouTube called Nightfall. I didn't notice it in theaters, nor had I ever heard of it. What is this all about? What kind of movie is it?
feralharbor8 feralharbor8 Member
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#70 ·
Sean Bailey75 said:Right now, only Russia has a proven and established technique—not just technology, but actual physical vehicles capable of traveling into Space—for human missions, and China will have it soon too.

Sean Bailey75 said:For everyone else, it's just too expensive right now. It's actually cheaper for Americans to buy transport services from the Russians until Elon Musk gets those Kuznjecov rocket engines (bought from the Russians) fully operational and runs the full SpaceX program without rockets falling down.

Americans deal with internal organizational issues that result in space projects being buried under paperwork that costs more than the spacecraft themselves, and there isn't even a price cap on the vehicles.

SpaceX uses its own engines and they are planning to launch next month with an improved version of the Merlin 1D engine at full thrust (they’ve been avoiding full thrust until now just to be safe). That one Falcon 9 that crashed had a bracket failure due to a quality control oversight. They will fix that now that they know what happened, and the new rocket version includes safety upgrades addressing issues encountered during the Falcon 1 program.

It is possible you mixed them up with Orbital ATK, who actually use Russian engines on their Antares rockets. They also had a rocket crash while supplying the ISS, so they are working on improvements too. (A few days later, the VSS Enterprise crashed as well)

By the way, Antares rockets are outrageously expensive compared to the Falcon 9. An Antares costs about $300-400M but carries less payload and can't return anything to Earth since it's basically used as a trash incinerator. Meanwhile, the Falcon 9 is $150M and carries twice the payload while being able to return cargo to Earth.

The Russians themselves lost their Progress M-27M mission to supply the ISS, which launched right before the failed SpaceX mission. Everyone has had a rough time lately regarding launches.

Edit: I'll stop the off-topic comments too.
Rachel Hall29 Rachel Hall29 Member
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#71 ·
Sean Bailey75 said:If we can get back to the main topic here, I happened to stumble upon a movie called Nightfall on YouTube. Honestly, I didn't see it in theaters, nor had I even heard a peep about it before. What's the deal with this one? What kind of flick is it actually?

"Halo: Nightfall" isn't even a movie—it's a series consisting of five half-hour episodes based on an Xbox game. I haven't sat through it myself, but from what I've read, the reviews have been absolutely brutal.
Michael Jackson10 Michael Jackson10 Active Member
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#72 ·
Edward Price6 said:Have we actually sent someone to Mars yet? Nope. So, it's fiction. Nuf said.

It's the same deal with Gravity. That whole "frogger" jumping from station to station thing? Totally impossible as shown, hence, fiction.

Since I haven't personally met anyone who's been to Mars, I can only conclude that Mars itself is pure fiction.🤦

1. We've had tons of human launches into orbit, and even a few trips beyond it.
2. Humans already know how to live in Space for over a year at a time.
3. We understand the laws of physics and the requirements for interplanetary travel.

1+2+3 = a one-way ticket to Mars.

So, what's the actual issue here?
People have descended into the Mariana Trench; people have climbed Mount Everest. Is it "fiction" that you could go from the deepest point in the ocean to the highest peak on Earth?
It's not fiction; it's just that nobody has done it all in one shot. Why? Because there's no need, no economic reason, and honestly, it doesn't make much sense.
It's like saying going to Mars is possible today, but just isn't practical right now. Sending a crew to Mars is totally doable with current tech, but it would cost an absolute fortune—like, crazy expensive—and then what? What do you even do once you get there?
Or you could take a different route: pool every single resource on Earth for one massive mission (which is its own kind of fiction, let's be real), launch a crew along with a mountain of rockets filled with supplies for some Mars habitat, and boom... you've got The Martian. But why? Just to prove it wasn't fiction?

By that logic, Casablanca is also fiction: Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman definitely weren't living in Casablanca during WWII, and the movie wasn't even filmed in Morocco, so clearly, it's all fake...
Edward Price6 Edward Price6 Active Member
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#73 ·
Michael Jackson10 said:Since I haven't met anyone who has actually been to Mars, I can only conclude that Mars itself is fiction.🤦

1. We've launched tons of people into orbit, and there have even been trips beyond it.
2. Humans know how to live in Space alone for over a year.
3. We understand the laws of physics and the conditions required for interplanetary travel.

1+2+3 = a one-way ticket to Mars.

So what's the issue?
People have descended into the Mariana Trench and climbed Mount Everest. Is it "fiction" that you can go from the deepest point in the ocean to the highest peak on Earth?
It’s not fiction; nobody has just done it all in one go because there's no reason to—no economic justification, and it doesn't make sense.
It's just like how going to Mars is possible today, but isn't practical right now: launching a crew to Mars is totally doable technologically, but it would cost an absolute fortune, and then what? What do you do when you get there?
Or you could try this: gather all the world's resources for such a mission (which is already fiction, but let's be realistic), launch a crew along with a massive pile of rockets filled with supplies for some habitat on Mars, and suddenly you have The Martian... for what? Just to prove it isn't fiction?

In the same way, Casablanca is fiction: Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman certainly didn't live through WWII in Casablanca, and the movie wasn't filmed in Morocco, so by your logic, it's fiction.

That comparison is completely off, which should be obvious.
By your reasoning, every movie except documentaries is fiction. We are talking about Sci-Fi. Especially regarding Mars. There are so many assumptions involved, and there might be things no one has predicted that require constant learning. Until recently, they weren't even sure if there was water, if there *had* been water, or if there were bacteria present...
So, it's fiction based heavily on scientific premises. Sometimes it leans more toward science, sometimes less.
But you're talking about the production process, which would be a better comparison if I said: The Martian wasn't filmed on Mars, so it's fiction.
Scott Allen33 Scott Allen33 Newcomer
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#74 ·
Is this a Sci-Fi invasion? Sounds like it's just for people who only watch big blockbusters. We could probably start a whole thread on the "zombie horror invasion" next.

Step away from Hollywood for a bit and you'll find plenty of "normal" movies out there.☕
Sam Watson Sam Watson Newcomer
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#75 ·
Scott Allen33 said:An invasion of Sci-Fi movies? That's just what you call it when you only ever watch summer blockbusters. You could probably start a whole thread about an "invasion of zombie horrors" if you wanted to.

If you step away from the Hollywood bubble for even a second, you'll find plenty of decent, grounded films if you actually bother to look. ☕

+1

To me, it feels more like a drama invasion. 😬
Sophia Grant39 Sophia Grant39 Member
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#76 ·
Sean Bailey75 said:What invasion are you even talking about...? We haven't seen decent Sci-Fi since Oblivion, Gravity, and The Martian. That’s maybe once a year, if I'm counting right. As for action flicks, comedies, or those "teen adventures" disguised as Sci-Fi... there's a dime a dozen. It’s been far too long since we’ve seen a drama this good...So, I don't see any invasion happening. Could you clarify where exactly this invasion is supposed to be? Because I’m still sitting here waiting for some freaking aliens or a Predator, and it looks like I might be waiting forever...

Yeah, sure... 😁

Beasts of No Nation

Technological progress has finally allowed action Sci-Fi to be filmed at a somewhat "believable" level... Then there's this whole Nolanomania thing, where he raked in massive profits with Batman and kicked off an entirely new trend.
There probably aren't that many Sci-Fi films that don't revolve around superheroes...
Michael Jackson10 Michael Jackson10 Active Member
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#77 ·
Edward Price6 said:That comparison is a total miss, don't you think? Honestly, it's pretty obvious.

If the shot was missed, then the whole premise was off from the start. I was just playing with the idea to see where it would go...

Look, unless we're talking about documentaries, every movie is basically fiction by definition, right? We're specifically diving into the world of science fiction here.

That’s exactly my point. Most people who hate on sci-fi start with the same tired argument: "It's just fiction, so why bother?" I honestly don't get it. Like, what's the issue with it being "unrealistic"? In a broader sense, isn't every single movie—aside from a documentary—just pure fiction? At the end of the day, every script is just an idea born in someone's head and brought to life on screen. So why pick on one genre specifically?

Especially when it comes to Mars. There’s still so much guesswork involved, right? We’re probably looking at a dozen variables that nobody even saw coming. Who knows what else is hiding out there? They’ve gotta keep learning constantly. Why stop now?Not too long ago, they weren't even sure if there was water out there. Like, at all. Was there water? Were there bacteria? They were just guessing. Total uncertainty, right?

So, this guy seriously just sits there with a straight face and tells us that things nobody saw coming "have to be learned through experience"? Like, really? Is he for real?
So, let's be real: landing on Mars feels like total science fiction right now because nobody has actually pulled it off yet. But here’s the kicker—to get there, you basically have to learn through trial and error, right? How do you even solve that logic loop? You’d need to go to Mars just to test things out and gain experience, but then technically, that doesn't count as the "real" mission. So, do we just fly there once for practice, take all that data, and then call the next trip the "first time for real"? Makes sense, doesn't it?
I was actually just typing away about that exact thing. I tried breaking the whole trip down into bite-sized pieces—you know, like segments? If you tackle them one by one, everyone can find their own rhythm and get through it. It’s pretty straightforward once you follow the sequence. Honestly, though? The biggest hurdle is just finding an investor to back the play. It’s a super grounded, real-world scenario... what do you think?

So, we're talking about fiction that’s built on actual scientific premises. It’s a bit of a spectrum, isn't it? Sometimes it leans heavily into the hard science, and other times... well, it's a little more "creative" with the facts.
You’re talking about the whole production process, right? If I wanted to make a point, I guess I could say: *The Martian* wasn't actually filmed on Mars, so obviously it's fiction.

Nah, you said:
Have we actually sent anyone to Mars yet? Nope. So, it’s still just sci-fi. Nuf said.

I told them straight up: it’s fiction. But honestly? It’s about as fictional as any other movie out there. The difference here is they're actually playing around with tech that already exists and is sitting right in front of us. They aren't just pulling random magic out of thin air to bypass plot holes like they do in those Star Trek series. You know, where they just invent some nonsense on the fly to skip over parts they haven't figured out? Even when those shows try to call in scientists for help, they still struggle to come up with a theory that actually holds water.
Everything here is just bottled water and commercial interests. Is it even real? Honestly, the only thing that feels like fiction is how we blow all our resources on wars instead of actually investing in deep-space research. Why aren't we looking up?

But honestly, we’re just spinning our wheels here. It’s all just semantics, really...

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