São Paulo Grand Prix (Indianapolis Motor Speedway) | November 12-14, 2021

What an absolute injustice, don't you think!?

Valtteri Bottas really is carrying some extra weight these days.

And honestly, he didn't even attempt to defend himself. 🙂

Austin Clark7 said:Honestly, Wolf could spend three lifetimes trying to thank Lauda for paving the way for Hamilton, and it still wouldn't be enough...

If they had brought in Alonso instead, the Maestro would be sitting on ten titles by now.

swiftmaker12 said:That’s what happens when you decide to plow through a pedestrian at a crosswalk—especially one with the walk signal active.
Just some friendly advice—don't let it happen again.
🤦

😁

Elizabeth Mendoza said:Sainz absolutely wrecked Lando.

Lando absolutely screwed himself.

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ruggedhawk20 says: Dearest Moderator, one must consider that Fangio actually lost his championship fight to his own teammate, Giuseppe Farina—though some prefer to refer to him as... the Doctor of Medicine.

😉
And that is precisely why he is the GOAT: Jim Clark

Clark basically had the spirit of Wolfgang Von Tripp inside him

A GOAT can't be someone who caused another driver's death through a mistake—period.

Just imagine if Lewis killed someone like that early in his career. You have no idea how much these internet forums would absolutely lose their minds.

Still running the sprint though.....

Man, if Lewis Hamilton was actually driving for Red Bull, I guess he’d probably be lapping the entire field by now...

ruggedhawk20 said:Clark basically had the spirit of Wolfgang Von Tripp inside him

A GOAT can't be someone who caused another driver's death through a mistake—period.

Just imagine if Lewis killed someone like that early in his career. You have no idea how much these internet forums would absolutely lose their minds.

Exactly. In this sport, the primary goal is just staying alive—everything else is secondary. That’s why Fangio and Lewis hold such weight—though Lewis eventually overtook Schumacher in that regard.
Fangio’s percentages are incredible—pole positions, win rates, titles—but Lewis’s raw numbers are just staggering.
Sure, names like Clark, Schumacher, or Senna make a case, but there are massive holes in those arguments. The fact that you had to survive being on the grid with Senna or Clark is the biggest hole of all—tragic, but true.
In my view, Max will likely be categorized more as one of the fastest single-lap drivers rather than the greatest overall. Senna is almost certainly the fastest, followed by Lewis, then Clark, Fangio, and Schumacher—the five quickest to ever do it.

Lawrence Garcia5 said:Well, looks like he's starting from the back of the sprint tonight.

True, I just saw the explanation. Honestly, I think they'll definitely land in the top 10 during the sprint, and even with the penalties, they'll still fight their way onto the podium by the end of the race.

Come on, just bring out the Safety Car so we can actually get a race going!

ruggedhawk20 said:Clark basically had the spirit of Wolfgang Von Tripp inside him

A GOAT can't be someone who caused another driver's death through a mistake—period.

Just imagine if Lewis killed someone like that early in his career. You have no idea how much these internet forums would absolutely lose their minds.

He essentially took out Kimi:

shadowmarlin22 said:Exactly. In this sport, the primary goal is just staying alive—everything else is secondary. That’s why Fangio and Lewis hold such weight—though Lewis eventually overtook Schumacher in that regard.
Fangio’s percentages are incredible—pole positions, win rates, titles—but Lewis’s raw numbers are just staggering.
Sure, names like Clark, Schumacher, or Senna make a case, but there are massive holes in those arguments. The fact that you had to survive being on the grid with Senna or Clark is the biggest hole of all—tragic, but true.
In my view, Max will likely be categorized more as one of the fastest single-lap drivers rather than the greatest overall. Senna is almost certainly the fastest, followed by Lewis, then Clark, Fangio, and Schumacher—the five quickest to ever do it.

Please, don't make me laugh.
Hamilton wouldn't have even made it through his debut season in Formula 1 if he wasn't driving in bulletproof machines, rather than the literal coffins on four wheels they used back in the sixties:

It’s going to be such a thrill to watch Lewis Hamilton's overtake.

Bear Speed 🙏

shadowmarlin22 said:Exactly. In this sport, the primary goal is just staying alive—everything else is secondary. That’s why Fangio and Lewis hold such weight—though Lewis eventually overtook Schumacher in that regard.
Fangio’s percentages are incredible—pole positions, win rates, titles—but Lewis’s raw numbers are just staggering.
Sure, names like Clark, Schumacher, or Senna make a case, but there are massive holes in those arguments. The fact that you had to survive being on the grid with Senna or Clark is the biggest hole of all—tragic, but true.
In my view, Max will likely be categorized more as one of the fastest single-lap drivers rather than the greatest overall. Senna is almost certainly the fastest, followed by Lewis, then Clark, Fangio, and Schumacher—the five quickest to ever do it.

You aren't paying attention, kid.

I’m not talking about Hockenheim in '68—I mean Monza in '61, where a driving error caused the death of another driver. Wolfgang von Trips.

Plus about 15 spectators at the edge of the track too.

Senna basically killed himself. He carries that number sixteen on his soul.

There's no debate—those stats don't give him any GOAT status whatsoever.

I did a little bit of tinkering with the car using my hand there, but I made sure to stick strictly to the two-finger rule.

It’s exactly what we all anticipated—Lewis is absolutely flying out there.

Safety Car

shadowmarlin22 said:Exactly. In this sport, the primary goal is just staying alive—everything else is secondary. That’s why Fangio and Lewis hold such weight—though Lewis eventually overtook Schumacher in that regard.
Fangio’s percentages are incredible—pole positions, win rates, titles—but Lewis’s raw numbers are just staggering.
Sure, names like Clark, Schumacher, or Senna make a case, but there are massive holes in those arguments. The fact that you had to survive being on the grid with Senna or Clark is the biggest hole of all—tragic, but true.
In my view, Max will likely be categorized more as one of the fastest single-lap drivers rather than the greatest overall. Senna is almost certainly the fastest, followed by Lewis, then Clark, Fangio, and Schumacher—the five quickest to ever do it.

You aren't paying attention, kid.

I’m not talking about Hockenheim in '68—I’m talking about Monza in '61, where a driving error caused another driver's death. Wolfgang von Trips.

Plus about 15 spectators at the end of the track too.

Senna basically killed himself. This guy carries sixteen people on his soul.

There's zero discussion—those numbers don't make him the GOAT.

Elizabeth Mendoza said:True, I just saw the explanation. Honestly, I think they'll definitely land in the top 10 during the sprint, and even with the penalties, they'll still fight their way onto the podium by the end of the race.

Yeah, he'll likely be starting outside the top 10 tomorrow given that 5-place engine penalty.

I'm expecting him right behind Max, provided he doesn't screw something up badly today or tomorrow.

Elizabeth Mendoza said:Come on, just bring out the Safety Car so we can actually get a race going!

They really have to. There is just far too much debris scattered all over the track right now...