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São Paulo Grand Prix (Indianapolis Motor Speedway) | November 12-14, 2021

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Participants Gregory Brown94ruggedhawk20Drew Bennett68John Ortiz4Timothy Castillo6Sam Clark75Elizabeth MendozaAmy Castillo4Raymond Anderson4graniteharbor502wiredseal7Linda Peterson43Jack Kelly5Jacob Castillo70James Harris34shadowmarlin22Jason Fox2stormybadger8Nicholas Torres37Robin GrantLawrence Garcia5Brandon Chavez9Jason Campbell70Elizabeth Morales49 …
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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#174 ·
Lance Stroll needs to get his act together. He’s been pulling this exact same stunt with Vettel quite often lately.

Someone is going to come along and flatten him into a pancake if he keeps closing things down like this.
shadowmarlin22 shadowmarlin22 Active Member
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joined Mar 2018
#174 ·
Kyle Lopez2 said:🤦 Back in Senna's era, survival wasn't even really the primary goal of the sport, let alone today. If Lewis drove with the same style as Fangio, he'd be running five or six seconds off his current best times.

🤦 Sure, you could argue that because someone passed away, we can't fully know their peak performance or longevity, but that doesn't make them the best. He was gone after ten seasons with three titles and three runner-up finishes. I'm interpreting what you said as "if he had survived, he would have been one of the top five all-time," but since he didn't, he isn't—and honestly, that feels like a bit of a logical stretch to me.🤦

Personally, I'd put Clark and Senna in my top five—but they aren't number one for me. Whatever.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#175 ·
Jacob Castillo70 said:So, let me get this straight: he starts the sprint from the very back, and then on top of that, he’s forced to drop another five positions in the main race?

Precisely.
Though, if one considers the sheer capability of this particular car, wouldn't you agree that reaching P6 in the sprint seems like a perfectly attainable goal?

p.s. Our dear Nikita was practically moved to tears yesterday following the qualifying session for the sprint:
cosmicridge5 cosmicridge5 Regular
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joined Nov 2003
#175 ·
Good grief, Mercedes is a killer

Checkot, it’s now or never!

They shall not pass!!

Safety 🤦

At this rate, we won't even see a 4-second gap, let alone anything else
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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#175 ·
Amanda Kelly said:Sure, if you want to follow your own personal Constitution, go right ahead.

Not even close. If he screws up, I’m calling it a screw up. Period.

Red Bull fans start looking for a gallows the second Max trips up, whether he's actually at fault or not. But when their golden boy messes up? They suddenly act like they didn't see a thing.
Jack Kelly5 Jack Kelly5 Active Member
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joined Sep 2019
#176 ·
Susan Davis7 said:I mean, there's no way they'll keep running with that same wing

Honestly, if anyone shows up to a GP weekend with the intention of cheating, I guess a straight-up race ban would be the only fair way to handle it, but hey, what do I know. I just can't wrap my head around whether the FIA actually caught this on their own or if they were just forced to act because Red Bull started making a scene about it.
Amy Castillo4 Amy Castillo4 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#176 ·
Getting this kind of luxury just by having a decent day—it’s wild. Honestly, I’m baffled that a beast of a car like this hasn't already secured the championship a few races ago.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#176 ·
fadedwalker18 said:Lewis will never be in the same league as Senna.
He simply capitalized on the hybrid era with Mercedes. That’s the whole story. Any driver with his talent from that generation would have done the exact same thing in his shoes. We're talking about guys like Alonso, Vettel, and Raikkonen. The man is talented and lucky, certainly, but that's where it ends.

He can apply for a Brazilian passport, wave the flag, or rack up five more titles, but he will never *be* Senna. There was only one Ayrton Senna—irreplaceable, untouchable, and beyond comparison.

So, sir (or whoever), Lewis should head back to the UK and keep up the act there. Or better yet, go to Hollywood and film a biopic about himself as the greatest F1 driver to ever live.

Legends like Jim Clark, Juan Manuel Fangio, and Jackie Stewart are in a class of their own for him... he only caught Michael Schumacher on paper.

And honestly, I'm still wondering how he didn't beat Rosberg in 2016. He must have taken a nap during one part of the season, if I recall correctly...

Who are these guys? Senna, Stewart, Fangio, Clark...
To most people, Bottas is an alien, let alone Hamilton.
https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiq...um/nombre.aspx
https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiq...nt/nombre.aspx

It’s honestly terrifying how dominant Mercedes is. 🤦
That weak, washed-up Bottas sitting ahead of Schumacher, Prost, and Senna. 😵
Doesn't even matter why—without the Mercedes beast, he wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as those legends in any universe. 🤦
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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#177 ·
Raymond Anderson4 said:It’s definitely possible he’ll face a penalty, and honestly, he probably should. I’d imagine it would just end up being a warning to the team or maybe a fine somewhere in the ballpark of $50,000.

☕
Douglas Roberts49 Douglas Roberts49 Active Member
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#177 ·
Amy Castillo4 said:Getting this kind of luxury just by having a decent day—it’s wild. Honestly, I’m baffled that a beast of a car like this hasn't already secured the championship a few races ago.

That’s why Bottas is actually decent—it's all thanks to the car... though I suspect Ferrari will end up passing him by anyway.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#177 ·
stormybadger8 said:Who are these guys? Senna, Stewart, Fangio, Clark...
To most people, Bottas is an alien, let alone Hamilton.
https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiq...um/nombre.aspx
https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiq...nt/nombre.aspx

It’s honestly terrifying how dominant Mercedes is. 🤦
That weak, washed-up Bottas sitting ahead of Schumacher, Prost, and Senna. 😵
Doesn't even matter why—without the Mercedes beast, he wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as those legends in any universe. 🤦

Good grief, can you believe they think Bottas is some kind of alien god?🙏
fadedwalker18 fadedwalker18 Active Member
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#178 ·
Harold Newman4 said:Hey folks, does anyone happen to have a working stream link? I'm currently lying here feeling pretty broken in the hospital, and I just realized that none of the links I had open on my computer browser actually work on my phone... thanks
David Lewis24 David Lewis24 Member
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#178 ·
Fortune favors the bold, I guess! 🙂

Tough break for Red Bull. Max really put some serious pressure on Bottas, leaving him wide open for Perez to catch up…
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#178 ·
Kyle Lopez2 said:That category you're bringing up feels pretty irrelevant to me.🤔 So what? Anyone stepping into a car has to accept the risks they create, just like the fans who choose to sit right in the middle of all that action.

Plus, if I remember correctly, it was Trips who hit Clark, not the other way around.🤔

What, were you around in the sixties or something?!

That crash happened because of a mistake by Amanda Kelly. And honestly, that wreck is exactly why she became so low-key throughout her career. You know, how those clueless reporters and historians love to spin it as being some "quiet, reserved kid."

"Quiet and reserved"—yeah, right. I've had plenty of women tell me she was a total little rebel!

But yeah, ever since that collision with Von Tripp, she’s kept a super low profile around the track and the paddock.
Kyle Lopez2 Kyle Lopez2 Active Member
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#179 ·
Jack Kelly5 said:Honestly, if anyone shows up to a GP weekend with the intention of cheating, I guess a straight-up race ban would be the only fair way to handle it, but hey, what do I know. I just can't wrap my head around whether the FIA actually caught this on their own or if they were just forced to act because Red Bull started making a scene about it.

The thing is, you can't really prove someone intended to cheat. They simply didn't meet the technical requirements, so his qualifying was invalidated via DQ, which is why he's starting at the back.

The one part I don't quite agree with is him just starting from the back. Usually, when there's a DQ or significant car changes between qualifying and the race, the penalty is a pit lane start, if I recall correctly.

As it stands, they've basically handed him a 5-10 second advantage compared to if he had to come out of the pits behind the very last car during a sprint.
Jacob Castillo70 Jacob Castillo70 Active Member
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#179 ·
Douglas Roberts49 said:That’s why Bottas is actually decent—it's all thanks to the car... though I suspect Ferrari will end up passing him by anyway.

Let’s be real, Bottas is just mediocre.

The sooner George Russell steps up, the better off we'll all be.
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#179 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Jim Clark lost his life because of the very type of mechanical failure Lewis experienced, rather than due to any error in his own driving. Jim Clark drove a car that was notoriously temperamental and fragile, yet he completed four times fewer races than Lewis. Hamilton, meanwhile, has wielded the most dominant and reliable machine in history, managing to pull off eight Grand Slams. Back in 1963, at Spa, he left the rest of the field five minutes behind him despite having a broken gearbox. It leads one to wonder: wasn't Jim Clark a sort of understated, humble alien who simply drove faster than everyone else could possibly imagine, seemingly baffled by why the others were so slow? He represented everything Hamilton aspires to be, yet can never truly become.

We aren't talking about '60

We're talking about '61.

Get it together.

Because of Monza in '61, Clark isn't the GOAT.

The only actual GOAT candidates are

Niki Lauda
Michael Schumacher

Amen.
fadedwalker18 fadedwalker18 Active Member
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#180 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Precisely.
Though, if one considers the sheer capability of this particular car, wouldn't you agree that reaching P6 in the sprint seems like a perfectly attainable goal?

p.s. Our dear Nikita was practically moved to tears yesterday following the qualifying session for the sprint:
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Come on, Nikita—show some heart and actually go wheel-to-wheel with Lewis Hamilton at the start of the sprint tonight.
Live up to those claims about being ready and wanting more; show us you can actually deliver on track, Carlos Pace, especially while wrestling that scrap metal from Haas.
Jack Kelly5 Jack Kelly5 Active Member
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#180 ·
It’s been a minute since we've seen talent quite like Yuki Tsunoda or Nikita Mazepin in Formula 1, I guess.
rapidstag2 rapidstag2 Regular
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#180 ·
Ashley Ramirez4 said:Isn't Lou doing the same thing—kind of weaving while looking for a slipstream—on the straight? 😬

Man, these stupid rules really get under my skin. I mean, fine, if they're a meter or two apart, sure, but on that first and second turn, there was more than two or three car lengths between them.

🤣

You have posed quite an astute question: why exactly did Hamilton weave down the track, and why was he not penalized in the same manner as Verstappen? 🤔

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