2014 Belgian GP (Spa-Francorchamps) - August 24th

Jason Campbell70 said:For what reason?

Are you perhaps referring to that specific instance where he failed to get moving on time during the warm-up lap at the start of the session?

yes

Michael Diaz4 said:Screw a warning if he’s basically weaponizing penalties to take out someone better than him just because he can't overtake them on track—all to secure a better finishing position for himself. If anything, he should be the one facing a massive penalty...

Look, you are an absolute idiot. Seriously, I make it a point never to insult anyone on this forum, but reading your posts is a genuine catastrophe; my brain actually hurts...
And even though I can't stand Alonso, let alone Vettel, your logic is just absolutely phenomenal...
Just tell me, "genius," how exactly did Ricciardo pass Vettel, and where? Just that.

graniteharbor502 said:yeah

Look, it was basically a drive through at home.
A very minimal drive through at that.

Obviously, there's zero chance of a disqualification (regardless of what stormybadger8 keeps rambling about), but I also don't see them handing out some ridiculous five-second penalty during the pit stop.

As far as goes, they're definitely letting Alonso slide today.

shadowhawk24 said:Look, you're being a total idiot. Seriously, I don't go around insulting people on this forum, but man, reading your posts is an absolute train wreck. It's actually giving me a headache...
Even though I can't stand Alonso, and I like Vettel even less, your logic here is just "brilliant"...
Just tell me, genius, how exactly did Ricciardo overtake Vettel and where? Just that.

😂You aren't actually reading anything. This whole thing is about Alonso and his failed attempts to get past Magnussen, and how Magnussen was unfairly penalized for it... If you can't follow a discussion or grasp what's being said, then maybe just stay out of it. You're clearly missing the point for whatever reason... I've reported you for the insults...

Jason Campbell70 said:Well, honestly, it was just a standard drive through situation.
And it was such a minor drive through at that.

Of course, we can rule out any kind of disqualification—despite how much stormybadger8 loves to ramble on about it—but I don't see them handing out some ridiculous five-second penalty during the pit stop either.

As far as Alonso is concerned, it seems the officials were more than happy to look the other way today.

Personally, I am against penalizing these kinds of things; if anything, I would simply issue a warning for situations like this.

Forget the red card...
You completely dodged my question. I was strictly referring to that last quote, but you managed to dump an absolute mountain of nonsense on me earlier, so I’m just going to ask again, nice and simple.
Where exactly did Ricciardo outshine Vettel, and by what means?

As for Magnussen’s penalty, I’m not even going to bother. The stewards made their call, and it’s the same story we saw at the start. Anyone actually following modern Formula 1—if they take a second to look at how decisions are being handed out lately—can form their own damn opinion.

graniteharbor502 said:Personally, I’m against penalizing stuff like this -> I’d just hand out warnings for situations like that.

But what does a warning actually achieve? It's just empty air. You have to issue penalties... But you can't go dragging everyone else into it who doesn't deserve it, like Magnussen.

shadowhawk24 said:Forget the penalty...
You didn't actually answer my question. I was only referring to your last quote, but you've dumped a mountain of nonsense on me before, so let me just ask this one simple thing again.
Where exactly did Ricciardo outshine Vettel, and how?

I won't even get into Magnussen's penalty. The stewards made their call, just like they did at the start. Anyone actually following modern Formula 1—if you bother to look at how decisions are being made lately—can form their own opinion.

Once again, you aren't reading what I'm saying. I have no idea where you're getting that from; it wasn't even mentioned... I'm not going to waste my breath arguing with you...

That was a seriously impressive race
Daniel Ricciardo, Kimi Räikkönen, Bottas Alonso 🙏🙏🙏

Alonso once again proved he just doesn't have the touch when it comes to cornering... honestly, I can't stand a driver like that 😁

If you want to talk about a real master of corners and wet conditions, you're talking about Vettel... He basically put on a choreographed show for the fans during this one, letting Daniel Ricciardo past in the dry section of the turn, whereas last time he spun out in the rain 🙏🙏

Gary Palmer8 said:So what exactly did Hamilton pull off in Canada???
Didn't he slow down three seconds per lap just to let Rosberg catch up?

Oh, he absolutely pulled it off, working hand-in-hand with Lowe and Toto Wolff...
First, they tell Rosberg for several laps that Hamilton is pulling away and he shouldn't bother attacking him. Then, of course, Hamilton ignores them entirely and acts like a genius with lines like "if someone can overtake me..."
Honestly, the whole Mercedes basket is just full of rotten apples...
They could at least grow some balls and just publicly state they want Hamilton to win the title and be done with it, instead of playing these shady games.
And look, Hamilton was perfectly polite to the crew and his teammate, sure, but he's the golden boy, so everyone forgives him instantly.😍

Rosberg is a coward too, but the guy doesn't have much choice if he wants to survive.
It's hard to beat Hamilton when he's dialed in, especially when it's blindingly obvious the entire team is on his side...

To be honest, I’d love to see anyone else take the title besides Hamilton. Personally, I'd even prefer seeing Alonso win over both Rosberg and Hamilton.😁

graniteharbor502 said:I disagree. A warning should have been plenty for this one.

Exactly. That’s why just a few races ago, they handed out a stop-and-go penalty for something way less serious. One mechanic was late by a single second and they slapped the driver with that penalty...
But I guess those rules don't apply to Ferrari. 😁

Here’s your quote, just so it doesn't look like I'm attacking you for no reason.

Michael Diaz4 said:I mean, what was actually wrong with his driving? It all came down to tactics and pit strategy, but Sebastian Vettel put in an excellent race, virtually flawless. That move where he sliced through the whole pack to fight for fifth was a massive achievement. He absolutely tore them apart. You can clearly see he’s the premier driver here and a world champion... Most of them had decent races, except for Mass and Alonso...

Were we even watching the same race?
Setting aside the fact that he overshot the turn in the first lap and lost his spot to Rosberg.
And then there's the question of how Daniel Ricciardo managed to overtake Vettel and where exactly that happened.
Vettel made a mistake.
Why was Vettel struggling through the entire second sector—you know, the one with the corners where he's supposed to be a master?
Why was it so obvious on the broadcast multiple times that his car was sliding terribly on corner exits? Just to point out, Ricciardo didn't have that issue at all.
Vettel didn't drive an "excellent" race by any stretch of the imagination, let alone a top-three performance. Fighting for fifth was fine, but he was on softer, newer, faster tires; frankly, he shouldn't have been fighting for fifth at all—he should have been on the podium if he'd truly driven a great race.

If Vettel was right behind Rosberg with a broken wing, in my opinion, it was basically an open invitation for someone else to win. He messed up and lost his position to Ricciardo.

Look, I've already said it: I'm not a fan of Alonso, nor am I a fan of Vettel. But your constant bashing of the winner and your claims that he can't handle corners—while Vettel makes mistakes in the turns two races in a row—along with the idea that Ferrari is the fastest car simply because they have the highest top speed... all of that is really grating.

shadowhawk24 said:Look, I've already mentioned this—I’m not exactly a die-hard fan of either Alonso or Vettel. But honestly, hearing you trash the first one by claiming he can't handle corners, while Vettel manages to mess up a turn two races in a row... and then suggesting Ferrari is the fastest car just because they have the highest top speed? It really rubs me the wrong way.

So Alonso doesn't know how to take a corner, but Vettel is some kind of master behind the wheel...
I'm not even going to try and correct you anymore. 😁

graniteharbor502 said:personally, I’m against penalizing stuff like this -> I’d just give warnings for situations like this

This is exactly the kind of mess that needs a heavy penalty, not a slap on the wrist.
It’s not like some mechanic was a second late jumping on the grid; this is straight-up putting lives at risk in the worst way possible.😳

Just imagine if someone behind him had tried to launch properly and ran right over one of the crew.
I haven't seen a more dangerous situation since... well, ever, and even *that* got the crew hit with a massive penalty.
Sure, they could have cooked up a scheme to give the driver a light penalty while crushing the crew, but this is just ridiculous.
At the end of the day, just go read the rulebook and see what it actually says about this.😍

As for Magnussen, he definitely earned his penalty, but it's a joke that his punishment is four times larger than the penalty for Ferrari's stupidity.
It should have been the same, if not smaller.

dustycyclist19 said:And Ricciardo just flew over that section in a helicopter😂😂

Not quite, but close. He was diving on Alonso from the inside, so he ended up way off the edge of the track at that moment...
Plus, visibility isn't great, but I think Vettel and maybe even Alonso picked up a piece of Rosberg's wing, not just Hamilton's tire...

Just my two cents...
I honestly don't think Nico Rosberg did that on purpose, nor do I think anyone is truly at fault here beyond just a bad call on positioning. It looked to me like he just misjudged his line and was trying to swing wider to get a better exit out of the corner. From what I could see on the broadcast, he only clipped him by maybe two or three centimeters, which is just a split second of error; if he’d actually intended to hit him, he would have veered toward him first instead of staying steady. Even though Lewis Hamilton definitely held his line, he clearly saw Rosberg coming up on the outside. Even if Rosberg were handed a stop-and-go penalty, if they were in different teams, people might be screaming for justice just to keep the points even, but since it's all happening within the same camp, it'll likely just be ruled a racing incident and left for them to sort out internally.

As for Fernando Alonso, from what I gathered, they got the car fired up, but they got totally tripped up and spooked by those loose cables on the side, though once they were given the green light, they just went ahead and cleared those wires away.

Right when they took off—basically when Sebastian Vettel moved...


That moment when almost everyone else had already bolted...


Just a bunch of mechanics swarming the car, including those geniuses standing right behind it...
It looks like nobody even bothered to clear them out. 😳

So much for cable management...
Usually, all mechanics have to be clear of the track 15 seconds before the lights go out and the cars launch...

Seriously though 🙏🤣🤣🤣
If you want to kill someone, just look at this mess. There is zero chance we’d be dealing with this kind of absolute garbage if Ross Brawn were still running the show...

shadowhawk24 said:Here’s your quote, just so it doesn't look like I'm attacking you for no reason.

Did we even watch the same race?
Aside from him overshooting in the first lap and losing his spot to Nico Rosberg.
That brings up the question: how did Daniel Ricciardo pass Sebastian Vettel and where?
Sebastian Vettel made a mistake
Why was Vettel struggling through the entire race in the second sector (the one with the corners where he's supposed to be a master)?
Why was it so obvious on the broadcast that his car was sliding terribly on corner exits? I should note that Daniel Ricciardo didn't have that issue.
Sebastian Vettel didn't drive an excellent race, not even close. If we were grading, he'd get a C. Fighting for fifth was fine, but he was on softer, newer, faster tires—honestly, he shouldn't have even been there; he should have been fighting for the podium if he'd driven a truly great race.

If Sebastian Vettel was right behind Nico Rosberg with a broken wing, in my opinion, that was basically an invitation for a win. He messed up and lost his position to Daniel Ricciardo.

Look, I've already said it: I'm not a fan of Fernando Alonso, nor am I a fan of Sebastian Vettel. But your constant bashing of the winner, claiming he can't handle corners while Sebastian Vettel makes mistakes two races in a row, and insisting that Ferrari is the fastest car just because they have the highest top speed... all of that really gets under my skin.

I'm done replying to you because you clearly can't follow the conversation here. Where has anyone actually said what you're claiming? The high-speed sector doesn't favor Red Bull Racing; it favors Mercedes-AMG Petronas, which is why both Daniel Ricciardo and Sebastian Vettel were losing time there. Sebastian Vettel drove well enough, and when he made that first move on Lewis Hamilton, he clipped the apex a bit, but that isn't a mistake. A mistake would be spinning out or hitting someone. It was Nico Rosberg who made the error. And Fernando Alonso made errors too. He's just not finding his rhythm in the corners... Let's consider this discussion closed because you're being rude, insulting, and frankly, it seems people are letting you slide with it.

silentbadger17 said:Alonso struggles through the corners, whereas Sebastian Vettel just nails them. He’s a total master of the turns.
Don't worry, I won't correct you anymore. 😁

So, we’ll just have to see how good he actually was. Honestly? He was bad. Just plain bad. Really, really bad.😉