Bad Boys - Part IV

Look, for crying out loud, just don't do it.

The guy isn't even a fan, but honestly, it shouldn't matter where he goes on vacation.

You're just sinking down to their level.

What’s the word from management—should we be picking up annual passes for the East Coast?

Frank Kim26 said:https://www.facebook.com/pero.kojitigastero?fref=ts Joe Biden and Dragon are currently out in Sedona, Maui.

Classic intelligence agency tactics. Mark is probably running training seminars for them.

restlessorca20 said:What’s the word from management? Should we pull the trigger on those season tickets for the East Coast...

You'll find out when the time comes.

Jesse Campbell said:Look, for crying out loud, just stop doing this.

The guy isn't even a fan, but honestly, who cares where he goes on vacation?

You guys are seriously stooping to their level here.

Seriously, this is getting way too much.

Everyone in Seattle! July 11th at 8:30 PM!!

Henry Grant51 said:Peter Robinson21, you’re actually a decent guy, we’ve known each other for quite a long time now, having experienced several matches and away trips together.
I really don't understand what you need all this for, these kinds of arguments and posts.
When I saw your photos from San Francisco, I had to look twice because I wasn't sure if I was seeing things correctly.

I don't know who you are, but if you know me, then you know I've always been someone who walks my own path; I never just drifted along with the crowd... back when there was the Boycott... I was one of the first to stand up for the others, even though most people around me said, "that's foolish" (and those were mostly people I knew who have since moved out East), but well, you go along with the boycott... a year later, everyone sees that the boycott achieved absolutely nothing... back in June of that year, I said, "the boycott hasn't done anything, we need to try a different way"... that's when the first threats started: "you're against us, you're against the association, blah blah blah"... but I just said, "it didn't work, let's try something else"... and then, after that, in August, the group decided, "no more boycotting," and it was time to head back to the games... some said only MLS games, others said we should go to every single match... I decided to go with my own crew, the group I've been traveling with for 20 years... if one goes, they all go... I find myself standing in the stands at Yankee Stadium in Madrid, surrounded by a bunch of people I know who, for some reason, were still participating in the boycott during the Champions League (and they were going to the Champions League and EU matches during the boycott while I wasn't)... but I ended up getting trashed by certain people from the association and people who were supposedly my friends... the insults started, the threats started... I have to say, it disappointed and angered me more than I can say, especially since these were people I had stood shoulder to shoulder with in so many battles, people whose backs I had covered... if they had any respect, they could have just sat down and talked to me; whether an agreement was reached or not, we could have parted ways like adults, without the threats or the bitterness... the way it turned out was just sad... I decided for myself not to go to matches with the association's group anymore; I've been to several matches in the last two years, but on the West side... But since I have my own crew that I've been riding with for years here in Germany and Austria—and none of them are on anyone's payroll—I decided to start going to matches again...

With the old guard, I have plenty of friends, and they all know my stance regarding Mamić, but no one, absolutely no one, has ever thrown anything in my face or blamed me for it; I said my piece, they said theirs, and that was that... it's different from some others who have known me for a long time but simply turned their backs on me and others who don't share their views or agree with their actions...
Someone here said, "Peter Robinson, you're too stupid to pay everything to Mamić"... Yeah, I am, I'm too stupid for that kind of thing, and I'm proud to be "too stupid" in that regard... and why does it bother you? It shouldn't matter to you whether I'm too stupid or if I simply refuse to let someone bribe me... that isn't your problem...
@ZGV, just to wrap this up, anyone who turns their back on me even though they know it's worth talking to me on a normal basis and acting like a human being (which I think I demonstrate here, even if some people try to provoke or spit on me, though that doesn't tire me at all) shouldn't expect me to keep covering their back... So many people disappointed me out East that I can't tell you how much it hurt, and it still hurts today... someone is talking about a return... I'm not asking for a return or anything else, because what happened cannot be undone... But that's just how I am (an idiot), and even today I would shake anyone's hand out of respect for the past, but unfortunately, the loyalty is gone... Anyway, take care, bye... that would be all... no anger or anything else...

Aaron Parker70 said:Well, why shouldn't we? People really need to have their eyes opened on this one.
Maybe you'd rather tell us all about how those demons are out there hitting people in Munich instead.

From what I can gather, they weren't exactly acting tough when those 20 of them got absolutely wrecked by nine drunk, smug, arrogant guys right in the middle of San Francisco in front of the arena during "Green-and-Yellow Night"...
Perhaps you should look closer at what certain people are arranging with the other fan groups (like the Demons, the armada, the donkeys, etc.). Because once they took that beating, everyone started making excuses like, "Wait, are you East or North? We said we were only attacking the North side." I mean, what am I even supposed to say to that? It’s just sad, honestly. Just truly sad that things have reached a point where people actually have to team up with rival fan groups just to deal with those 20 "paid actors," as you call them...

Robert Wood5 said:Munich,
you claim to support Dinamo—and hey, it doesn't hurt as much as it used to, but you're a supporter... You don't celebrate losses, and you certainly aren't going to mock us for freaking out over losing to Austria or that 3000-person crowd against Kyiv, right?
.....
A few questions for you:
Dinamo plays a friendly against Čukarički next Saturday; will you be rooting for them then?
Will you still be celebrating ten days from now if Dinamo loses to Rennes in the Champions League qualifiers?

I’m asking, please, keep it short and sweet. No mentioning the East, the North, paid players, political parties, or turning your back on friends, etc.

Short and sweet... that's a very silly question... incredibly silly, really, but I suppose I'll answer it with a counter-question of my own... What if some Indian billionaire shows up tomorrow, buys the club, kicks out every single local player, and fills the roster with Black players or Brazilians? I think there wouldn't be a single local left in the squad (just look at some of those teams in the English PL, for instance). In that case, would you continue to cheer for a Dinamo that has no local presence left, or would you turn your back on them? It seems just as foolish as your question, but since we are already engaging in silly inquiries, I might as well keep it going...

Give it a rest already with all these exhausting explanations and excuses. You made your stance clear the day you turned your back on the group. Realize that you are an insignificant factor in this entire situation; nobody cares about your opinion, so stop wasting our time with your little stories.

Egomaniacs like the ones mentioned above are the reason this group ended up where it is today. Of course, Mamić would exploit people just like them to drive a wedge through the community. But honestly, go ahead—just hope you actually succeed in tearing us apart. This group existed long before you and Mamić, just like Dinamo did, and it’ll still be here long after you're gone. You aren't nearly big or influential enough to manipulate things exactly how you want. Mamić has been a cancer in our group since the mid-90s, cozying up to the leaders back then, and ever since, he's been sweeping through to target all the decent members... by decent, I mean the ones who can't be bought and refuse to play his shady games, much like that "berry jelly" comment made in public.



This is a perfect picture of who you are. Because of this idiot and maniac, you've basically spat in your own faces. Save these little fairy tales for someone else. Who are you even trying to impress? This maniac who talks about himself like he's God? Maybe you think you're gods too because you're busy sucking up to him under the table? Just ask yourselves that... and find your own answer.

Austin Watson38 said:Man, you're totally right, but where else can we regular folks find this kind of juicy info? I'm interested. It's not that I'm looking for trouble, I just want to know what's going on with the small fries. Honestly, I'm rooting for the East side because if I were in that spot, I'd be right there with them. I think it works both ways, though it’s honestly pretty gross seeing people trash the San Francisco fans like that. That guy wrote something good about it...☕

You guys are enjoying yourselves for now, but it won't last much longer. Tick tock... 😍

Robert Wood5, you’re being exhausting. Stop coming in here with all this hearsay and second-hand nonsense. Go sit in the stands with the traitors, enjoy whatever perks you think you've earned, and just leave us alone. We're out here fighting for an honest club—something we can actually be proud of. I said it once and I'll say it again: we don't need enemies like those Delia guys or any other donkey hanging around us. One day, this is all going to blow up in your face, and you and your little group of twenty will finally realize how pathetic you look.

Noah Jones92 said:Robert Wood5, you're being exhausting. Stop coming here with all this hearsay bullshit. Go watch games with the traitors, enjoy whatever perks you get from them, and just beat it. Leave us and our fight for an honest club we can actually respect alone. I said it a long time ago: we don't need any enemies like Delia or some donkey hanging around you!!! One of these days you'll realize what a loser you and those 20 other guys really are.

20 guys*

Peter Robinson21 said:Short and sweet... honestly, such a stupid question... really dumb, but I'll hit you back with a counter-question... what if tomorrow some Indian billionaire rolls in, buys the club, kicks every single American out, and just fills the roster with Black players or Brazilians? Like, imagine a squad where there isn't a single American left... (just look at those teams in the PL, for example), would you still cheer for Dinamo when they don't have a single American in sight, or would you just turn your back on them? It's just as mindless as your question, but hey, if we're starting with brainless questions, let's keep the stupidity going...

I can't root for—not in the way you mean—this absolute joke of a club (?!) that only exists because of years of Chetniks screwing over something that belongs to ME, let alone rooting for some toy owned by whoever holds the deed to the place.

We don't need Black players or Brazilians, and we don't even need a new logo... it's enough that the club is owned by one guy who uses it to get filthy rich, because then I wouldn't be able to identify with that club ever again.

From that moment on, I'd be all about starting a new club, our own club... I'd pray to God to give bone cancer to whoever sold the team, and I'd never forgive myself for what I lost to that sellout.

I don't even get the point of your post.

There's no such thing as a stupid question.

P.S. I'm asking you one more time to answer.

Sorry for jumping in here, this doesn't really involve me personally, but I'm not trying to act like a genius—it's just common sense, I guess.

@Peter Robinson21/">@@Peter Robinson21

You’re basically saying you don't care about anyone else and that Dinamo is the only thing that matters, blah blah blah. I mean, everything you said is fine, but it feels like you aren't quite grasping how moving to the North stands implies a choice, right?

If you were going to head West and then push this whole narrative—man, hats off to you. You and everyone else like you. But no, you all keep pushing this story and then there's always that famous "but." Honestly, screw the "buts." Just go West and actually stand behind what you say.

Or, if you haven't considered the theory that moving West might actually cause even more splintering among Dinamo fans, maybe I have another suggestion for you.

Why not just go to the North, separate yourselves from the trash, hold up a sign that says "Mamić out," and then cheer solely and exclusively for Dinamo. You wouldn't even have to mention Mamić or the USSF ever again.

Then, you'd actually be showing THEM that you're against Mamić, even if you're totally fed up with the current state of things and everything tied to it.

As long as you're hanging out in the North with that crowd, your personal stance on Dinamo and Mamić doesn't mean a thing, because nobody knows what you think. I mean, try asking the people up North if they're cool with your anti-Mamić views—since they're supposedly so tolerant of individual opinions—try asking them if you're even allowed to show up with a crossed heart.

Anyone watching from the outside sees you in the North and assumes you're a Mamić loyalist or a sellout, regardless of what you actually believe. It's not like it's written on your forehead (or your fence, anyway) that you're against him.

So, here are two suggestions: once you pick one, then you can start with the "but" talk. Anything else is just beating a dead horse.

To be honest, your whole argument reminds me a bit of gay propaganda—they keep looping back to the "but" and waiting for others to tell them they're normal. Because that's all they care about, not actual rights. I guess they just want to wash away their own dirty consciences using other people's opinions.

Peter Robinson21 said:How much have I actually figured out? They clearly aren't all that impressive when you consider those twenty of them got absolutely wrecked by nine drunk, cocky, and arrogant guys right in the middle of San Francisco in front of the arena during "Green and Gold Night"...
Maybe you should take a harder look at what kind of backroom deals certain people are making with other supporter groups—you know, the Bad Boys, the armada, the donkeys, and the rest of them. Because once the fighting stops and everyone starts nursing their bruises, suddenly there’s this sudden shift in tone, isn't there? They start acting confused, asking, "Wait, are we East or North? We thought we were only targeting the North side!" What can I even say to that? Honestly, it’s just pathetic. It’s truly sad to see how things have devolved to the point where regular fans actually have to team up with rival groups just to stand against those twenty "hired guns," as you all like to call them.

Honestly, who even are you, you absolute liar?

@Robert Wood5

I suppose you aren't quite grasping the point, which is rather unfortunate... as I mentioned before, perhaps if you looked a bit more into the English scene, you'd see how many clubs have been bought out by billionaires... yet the fans still stand by their teams... they aren't even within 5% of agreeing with the fact that, for instance, some Russian bought Chelsea or Manchester City or whatever else has happened with club ownership over in England... But those fans stay loyal to their clubs... You can find Mamić and people like him all over the world in various clubs across Europe, but nobody turns their back on their own team; they just fight the battle in a different way... that is really the core of the whole matter...

What exactly is there not to understand?

The hatred toward Mamić simply cannot outweigh the love for one's own club... and if you perceive things differently, then I truly feel for you and everyone else who shares that particular perspective...

@Aaron Parker70
I had a feeling you would say that... though if our friends from San Francisco were being honest, they would admit what actually happened... now, the question remains as to why I care about any of this—whether it's the fact that those demons took a beating, or the fact that certain groups teamed up against those 20, 10, or 5 paid agitators from the North...

@Jeremy Mitchell11

I don't need to wash my conscience of anything, because I haven't threatened anyone, nor have I attacked anyone who stands on the East side today, and I haven't behaved poorly toward anyone involved in this entire situation, regardless of which side they are on... so...

But you have a point; that might be the first sensible thing written since I joined this forum... we shall see what the future holds, I suppose... ☕

Peter Robinson21 said:@Robert Wood5

@Aaron Parker70
I knew you’d say something like that... but if our own guys from San Francisco were actually being honest, wouldn't they admit what really went down? Now the real question is, why am I even looking to you for this—is it because those demons took a beating, or just because some people decided to team up against a handful of guys from the north?

🤣🤣🤣

So, you weren't even there? Seriously, man, they’re practically shouting about how much they want action, how they're itching for a fight, and how they've been tearing it up all over America—so aren't they supposed to be dangerous hooligans? But then the demons jumped them and... well, what happened after that? Honestly, you're just being ridiculous at this point; do you even know what you're talking about?

Peter Robinson21 said:@bazero

You're totally missing the point, which is pretty pathetic. Like I said, just look at what’s happening over in England—how many clubs have been bought out by billionaires? And yet, the fans still stand by their teams. They don't give a damn if some Russian buys Chelsea FC or if a company like Manchester City gets snatched up by some massive conglomerate. It doesn't matter. The fans stay loyal. You can find guys like Zdravko Mamić and his ilk in plenty of clubs all over Europe, but nobody there turns their back on their club; they fight for them in different ways. That is the whole point.

What part of that is hard to grasp?

The hatred for Mamić can't be any bigger than the love for the club itself. If you see it differently, then honestly, I feel sorry for you and everyone else who shares that narrow mindset.

@Sused
I knew you were going to say that. If our "friends" from San Francisco actually had any integrity, they'd admit what really happened. The real question is why I even bother with you, given how those thugs took beatings or how certain groups teamed up against a handful of paid agitators from the north.

@Marginalac1950

I don't need to wash my hands of anything because I haven't threatened anyone, I haven't attacked anyone currently standing on the east side, and I haven't acted dirty toward anyone involved in this whole mess, regardless of which side they're on. So...

But hey, you're right—that's probably the first intelligent thing anyone's posted since I joined this forum. We'll see what the future holds. ☕

You didn't answer me, so I'm asking again: how many times have you actually been arrested entering the stadium or traveling abroad in the last few years? How many citations have you racked up?
Sure, there are a million clubs where ownership changed and the fans stayed put, but there isn't a single case where a club actively does everything in its power—including illegal stuff—to ruin the private and professional lives of its own supporters. There isn't a club that selectively leaks footage, incites local clubs and the police against them, or has customs officials personally calling state ambassadors to threaten them for helping their own citizens. There isn't a single stadium in the world where the home fans undergo this kind of torture, where people get arrested just for sitting in the wrong seat, or where hundreds of people end up on blacklists for no legitimate reason. There's nowhere else where fans are surrounded by cordons of riot police in their own stands, or where players are punished not for failing to greet fans, but for actually greeting them. There isn't a club in the world that fights to prevent its legends from being banned just because they advocated for following the law and allowing members to exercise their legal rights.
By tomorrow, you could be rambling about "anomalies" caused by people leaving, when in reality, by heading to the north side, you're supporting every single thing I just described.

Peter Robinson21 said:@bazero

You're totally missing the point, man, sad... Like I said, just look at the English scene—see how many clubs have been snatched up by billionaires... and yet the fans still stick by their teams. They don't give a damn if some Russian bought Chelsea or if the Manchester City company or whatever else bought out clubs all over England... But those fans stay loyal. Sure, you'll find guys like Zdravko Mamić and his kind in plenty of clubs all over Europe, but nobody is actually bleeding for their club; they fight it in different ways... that's the whole point.

**1.** All those owners you mentioned actually BOUGHT the club—they put their own cash in.
Dinamo was STOLEN; its current "owner" hasn't dropped a single cent on them.

**2.** Give me one more example of a boss or a club like Dinamo. I'm not asking for five, ten, or a hundred—just one.

analogheron19 said:You didn't answer my question, so I’m asking you again: how many times have you been arrested while entering the stadium or traveling abroad in recent years, and how many citations did you rack up?
Of course, there are millions of clubs where ownership changes hands and fans stay loyal, but I don't think there is a single case where a club does everything in its power—including illegal things—to destroy the private and professional lives of its own supporters. Where they selectively leak clips, incite local clubs and domestic police against them, or where customs officials personally call ambassadors of the countries we play in and threaten them if they help their own citizens in any way. There isn't a single stadium in the world where home fans endure this kind of torture, where people are arrested just for sitting in the wrong seats, where hundreds of people are blacklisted without a valid reason, or where fans on their own terrace are surrounded by cordons of riot police. Where players are punished not if they fail to greet their fans, but specifically because they *do* greet them... there isn't a single club in the world that defends its legends from being banned just because those legends advocated for following the law or allowing members to exercise their legal rights...
By tomorrow, you could probably write an entire thesis on the anomalies involving the former leadership, but by heading north, you are actually supporting everything mentioned above.

If you had bothered to read my previous posts, you would already have your answer regarding where I’ve been for the last two years; I really don't feel like repeating myself... though, if you truly insist on knowing how many times I've been arrested... well, in the North, maybe three times, including two days spent in a cell. Abroad, I was arrested once, but I was released. In Germany, I've been arrested several times; last year I went to court and received a three-year suspended sentence after I knocked out two Chelsea hooligans during the Champions League final between Bayern Munich and Chelsea FC in Munich...

Do you want me to list every single brawl I've participated in, you absolute idiot?

But fine, you have a point; perhaps there isn't an exact identical case, but the idea of sending the cops to a home game, treating fans like criminals, stripping them down, or hitting them with extra doses of protection happens elsewhere too. Maybe it isn't quite as massive as what happens at our stadium, but it exists... I condemn it, certainly...

And as for my reasons for not going East anymore, I've already written that—no repeats...

@neighbor

Who told you I wasn't there?

Honestly, you're the only one who looks ridiculous here, because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about or what actually happened... you're just posturing for no reason, trying to act smart when you're actually acting like a complete fool.

@Jacob Price23/">@@Jacob Price23

Well, the first example is Uli Hoeneß, who at the start of his career as a manager was trading players here and there and got incredibly wealthy at Bayern Munich through his own companies. If you saw which Company is selling junk at the Allianz Arena or even back at the Olympic Stadium, then you would know how much that guy made at Bayern over the last 30 years... he isn't as extreme as Zdravko Mamić, but in principle, it's the same thing; he got rich off certain players and his sausages, and generally, his friends and former teammates got in on it. Now, Zdravko Mamić has nothing else to do but sell players to make money... but fundamentally, theft is theft...

You all just lump me in with the crowd that defends Zdravko Mamić... but I certainly don't do that. I just want to provide some perspective on certain things. It's not like Zdravko Mamić is the only one who operates this way, nor will he be the last...

I'll tell you this: my hatred for Zdravko Mamić is not any greater than my love for Dinamo Chicago...