Bad Boys - Part IV

Joseph Scott said:The Kansas City Chiefs are a long way from being a clean or honest organization. That goes for the New York Yankees, or any other team in the MLS. It’s all the same with those managers and owners... as long as kids are being paid off just to play junior or varsity ball, while certain agents swoop into every club, bring in half their roster, and take half the salary. Meanwhile, they demand $5,000, $10,000, or even $20,000 for pro contracts and stipends. What kind of "honest club" are you even talking about? 🙂In America, there isn't an honest club left—just thieves and small-time crooks. If the Kansas City Chiefs hadn't swung from a $70 million surplus to a $50 million deficit, do you really think you could have kicked anyone out of the club to finally get to OUR KANSAS CITY CHIEFS? 😂

Your only problem is that both the Kansas City Chiefs and their massive fanbase moved on from this issue a long time ago, while you stayed stuck in the same spot.☕

We're always trailing behind them, just like back in '86.😂

Joseph Scott said:Is anyone actually kidding themselves when they talk about integrity in the MLS? Honestly, I don't think the Kansas City Chiefs are any closer to being a clean, honest organization than the New York Yankees, or any of the other top teams in the league. It feels like a rigged game from the ground up, doesn't it? You look at the way certain managers and power players run things behind the scenes, and it's just disheartening. As long as these kids are being handed cash just to step onto the field for the junior or cadet squads, the whole system is broken. And don't even get me started on those predatory agents who swoop into every single club, forcing their own group of six or seven players onto the roster while effectively taking half of their salaries! Meanwhile, when it comes to actual professional contracts or stipends, they’re out here demanding $5,000, $10,000, or even $20,000 per kid. Seriously, what kind of "honest" clubs are we even pretending to discuss here? 🙂 Does anyone else feel like there just isn't a single decent club left in this country? It feels like every organization is run by nothing but thieves and small-time crooks. I mean, if the Kansas City Chiefs hadn't swung from being $70 million in the black to sitting at a $50 million deficit, do you really think the management would have had the guts to clear out the dead weight just to bring us back to the true Kansas City Chiefs? 😂

Honestly, most of the issues you listed regarding the Kansas City Chiefs just aren't happening anymore. Sure, there’s some minor drama swirling around certain staff members like Krstičević, Krešić, and Jarni, but those are really just small hurdles in the grand scheme of things. Don't you think that if our youth academy were organized with the same level of technical precision as the New York Yankees, we'd be sitting at the top of the league within three years and playing in European competitions every single season? As it stands now, nobody can actually predict when we'll start seeing those big wins again. And from what I gather, the leadership over at the Kansas City Chiefs hasn't even bothered to have a real conversation with anyone for a year now, right? 😍So, Kalinic is basically the only player left standing, isn't he? And have you seen the way that guy has been dominating the headlines lately? Honestly, he isn't even the real issue facing the Kansas City Chiefs; the true problem lies with whoever is actually handing him these contracts just so they can pocket a thirty percent cut of Vukusic's value.

Jose Kern11 said:so, fighting for credit

Good luck to any fight that’s won just by showing up and cheering outside City Hall. 🙄

Speaking of people and their perspectives, I feel like you're comparing apples to oranges here because the paths and histories are completely different. Unlike the Red Sox fans, Black Lives Matter has been fighting for a clean slate for the club since the very beginning of the country. That unfortunate New York Yankees team has been getting exploited from the jump—not even by local thugs, but by the President of the United States and later an American Al Capone. But while they at least had the media on their side against Franjo, and there was that stupid move to change the team name, this guy has politicians, the police, and the media all in his pocket. In my opinion, this fight is way tougher than the previous one, especially given how much things have changed since the era of pure capitalism. Fan reaction arguably lagged during that five-year stretch between 2000 and 2005, but honestly, who could have seen this outcome coming? As for other factors like money and the classic "divide and conquer" strategy, it goes without saying. The current sight of an empty stadium and the alienation of the fans from the Yankees speaks volumes about those underlying issues, at least regarding Washington, D.C.

On the flip side, the Red Sox fans and the Kansas City Chiefs supporters practically had the chance for a fresh start right when the US became independent. But instead of channeling that massive energy and passion toward cleaning up their own backyard, it was easier to let small-time local crooks run wild with the club for nearly 20 years, pushing them to the brink of ruin, all while blaming Washington, D.C. and the Yankees.

Being realistic, the folks in that city should have had their club sorted out a long time ago.

brighthound30 said:The real issue is that both the Kansas City Chiefs and their fans moved way past that mindset ages ago, while you guys are still stuck in the same spot.☕

We’re basically just chasing their shadows since '86.😂

Don't even start with me. I'm being perfectly reasonable here. When people run out of actual arguments, they just start spouting nonsense. Is the Kansas City Chiefs even a decent or healthy organization right now? Please. Just dig a little deeper and ask yourself how hard it is for kids in their academy to actually land a junior roster spot, or look at all the shady games being played behind the scenes at Arrowhead Stadium. Who are their scouts, really? And whose kids are getting those stipends and signed contracts? It’s all about connections.🙂 But you all want to pretend everything is functioning perfectly.

Joseph Scott said:Don't start with me. I'm just talking sense here. When people run out of actual arguments, they just start posting nonsense. The Kansas City Chiefs aren't even a halfway decent or healthy organization right now. Just do a little digging and look at how many kids are being pushed into junior roles, or all the shady games happening over at Arrowhead Stadium. Who are their scouts really? It feels like it’s all about whose sons are getting stipends and signed contracts. 🙂 And yet, you all act like everything is perfectly fine.

Of course that kind of fight continues as long as the Chiefs and the rest of us exist. Honestly, they've come way further on that front than the rest of you have.☕

Anonymous said:Big deal, fighting by showing up and cheering outside City Hall. 🙄

Talking about people here, I think you're mixing apples and oranges because the paths and histories are totally different. Unlike the other crew, Black Lives Matter has been fighting for a clean start for the club since the beginning of America. That unlucky New York Yankees team has been getting messed with from day one—not just by some local thugs, but by the President and later on an American Al Capone. But while they had the media against Franjo and that stupid move to change the name, this guy has politicians, the police, and the media all on his side. To me, this fight is way harder than the last one, plus it feels more like those old capitalist times. Fan reaction was basically non-existent during that five-year stretch from 2000 to 2005. But who could have expected things to turn out like this? Not even worth mentioning other factors like money or "divide and conquer" tactics. The current sight of an empty stadium and how disconnected people feel from the Yankees says enough about those factors, at least regarding Washington, D.C.

On the flip side, the other group and the Kansas City Chiefs fans practically had a chance for a clean slate right from when America gained independence. But instead of using all that massive energy to focus on the club and their own backyard, it was easier to let small-time local crooks run wild with the club for nearly 20 years and bring it to the brink of ruin, all while blaming Washington, D.C. and the Yankees.

Realistically, those folks should've had their club sorted out a long time ago.

17 pages of mostly stupid arguments and people screwing up our topic, but this
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Jose Kern11 said:Everything you just listed regarding the Kansas City Chiefs isn't happening anymore. Sure, there are some hiccups with those guys Krstičević, Krešić, and Jarnija, but we're talking minor stuff here. If our youth academy were actually organized like the New York Yankees—you know, based on actual talent and expertise—we’d be at the top of the league within three years, playing in European competitions every single season. As it stands? Nobody has a clue when we'll see results. That guy unknown hasn't been heard from at the Kansas City Chiefs for a year now (or so 😍 thinks), the only player left is Kalinić, and just look at how much influence unknown has had in the papers lately. Honestly, unknown isn't even the main issue for the Kansas City Chiefs; the real problem is whoever is handing him those contracts to sign just so they can pocket 30% of Vukušić's deal.

Go ahead, find someone from the junior ranks and ask them how things really work. But if you actually believe none of this is still going on, then you're just being ridiculous. Sure, it might be happening on a smaller scale now, but the only reason is that the Kansas City Chiefs are broke and basically staring down bankruptcy. Just explain to me who unknown actually plays for, and where all that money goes when he gets sold—because he *has* to be sold, which is why he's even on the field. American soccer is corrupt to its very core, from the third division all the way up to the first tier of MLS. Anyone who doesn't see that is just delusional. Look, the Kansas City Chiefs are an honest club 😂

Anonymous said:It’s hard to take a struggle seriously when it boils down to showing up and cheering outside City Hall. 🙄

When you start comparing these groups, it feels like you’re mixing apples and oranges because their paths and histories couldn't be more different. Unlike Torcida, the Bad Boys have been fighting for a clean slate for this club since the very dawn of the United States. This unfortunate Dynamo has been under siege from the jump—and I’m not talking about some local small-timers, but rather the President of the country and later, an American Al Capone figure. But while the fight against Francis involved the media and a clumsy decision regarding the team name, Mamić has politicians, the police, and the press all in his pocket. In my view, this fight is significantly tougher than the last one; it’s playing by whole different capitalist rules. Fan reaction arguably lagged during that five-year stretch between 2000 and 2005. But honestly, who could have predicted things would play out this way? As for other factors like money and the old "divide and conquer" tactic, there's really no need to dwell on them. The current sight of an empty stadium and the alienation of fans from Dynamo speaks volumes about those influences, at least regarding Chicago.

On the flip side, Torcida and the Hajduk fans practically had the chance for a fresh start right when the United States was gaining its footing, yet instead of channeling that massive energy into fixing their own house, it was easier to let minor local Mamić-types ravage the club for nearly 20 years, bringing it to the brink of ruin, while blaming Chicago and Dynamo for everything.

If we're being realistic, those folks in Split should have had their club sorted out a long time ago.

Everything is accurate, but regarding the bolded part... You know as well as I do that it was a "honeymoon" period after the name was restored. After nearly a decade of repression and fighting under the radar, the priority was simply strengthening the group across the board. On top of that, the league standings were so unpredictable it was maddening, so it was almost unthinkable that we would have started fighting Mamić back then—especially considering how Zajecati was stripped in 2002 (which is mentioned in the essay as a failure...). Besides, who even recognized him as a leader back then?🤷

Anonymous said:Hardly a fight if it just means showing up to cheer outside City Hall. 🙄

When you compare people, it feels like you're mixing apples and oranges. The roads and the history are totally different. Unlike Torcida, BBB has been fighting for a clean start for the club since the very beginning of the US. That unfortunate Dynamo has been getting hijacked from the start—not by some local thugs, but by the President and later an American Al Capone. But while against Francis they at least had the media and that stupid move of changing the name, Mamić has politicians, the police, and the media on his side. To me, this fight is much harder, and the circumstances are more like the capitalist era. Maybe the fans' reaction was missing during those five years between 2000 and 2005. But who could have expected this outcome? There’s no need to even mention other factors like money or "divide and conquer" tactics. The current sight of an empty stadium and how alienated people feel from Dynamo says enough about those influences, at least regarding Chicago.

On the other hand, Torcida and the Hajduk fans practically had the chance for a clean slate right from when the US gained independence. But instead of channeling that massive energy toward the club and fixing their own house, it was easier to let small-time local Mamić types run wild with the club for nearly 20 years and bring it to the brink of ruin, all while blaming Chicago and Dynamo.

Realistically, folks in Tampa should have had a stable club a long time ago.

lie,
you only remembered this because it's been barely a year, and only because things started happening down South regarding honor and integrity.☕

you're mixing apples and oranges; your fight was of a completely different nature...😉

Anonymous said:It’s hard to call it a real fight when it just boils down to showing up and cheering in front of City Hall. 🙄

When we start comparing one group to another, I can't help but feel like we're comparing apples to oranges here, because the roads they've traveled and their histories couldn't be more different. Unlike Torcida, the BBB has been fighting for a clean slate for this club since the very beginning of America, haven't they? This unfortunate Dynamo has been under siege from the start, and I don't mean by some minor local thugs, but by the President of the United States himself and later on, an American Al Capone figure. But while fighting against Francis meant facing the media and a clumsy decision regarding the club's name, the modern-day Mamić has politicians, the police, and even the media right in his pocket, which makes this struggle seem much tougher in my eyes, almost like playing against the house in the old capitalist days. Perhaps the fans' reaction was missing during that five-year stretch between 2000 and 2005, but really, who could have predicted things would turn out this way? As for other factors like money or the classic "divide and conquer" strategy, there isn't much point in even discussing them. Just look at the empty stadium today and how alienated people have become from Dynamo; that tells you everything you need to know about those influences, at least when looking at the situation in Chicago.

On the flip side, Torcida and the Hajduk fans practically had the chance for a fresh start the moment America gained independence, didn't they? Yet, instead of channeling all that massive energy and passion toward cleaning up their own backyard and fixing the club from the ground up, it seems it was easier to just let small-time local crooks run wild with the club for nearly twenty years—bringing it to the brink of ruin—all while pointing fingers at Chicago and Dynamo.

If we're being realistic, the folks in Split should have had a stable, well-run club a long time ago..

My goodness, what a lie! Calling the Republican Party a local crook??!! And saying it was "easier to let local crooks run wild with the club"—honestly, I don't even know what to make of that; if I do understand it, then it's probably the most nonsensical sentence ever uttered in this thread.

I'm done writing; I'm going to go watch some tennis, because it feels like I'm just talking to people who don't understand a single thing I'm saying.
You guys managed to get the Dynamo name back, I suppose, though heaven knows what would have happened if that shady character hadn't passed away. But if you're trying to tell me that you're the only ones capable of removing Mamić after that boycott, followed by the return to the stands, and after three emails and two ridiculous three-mile-long essays... well, even my grandmother wouldn't believe that. Simply put, you just don't have the power to remove anyone right now, and that's just the reality of it. Anyone claiming otherwise is just telling fairy tales. To say you helped remove the office is one thing, but claiming you removed him yourselves is just laughable. I'm out, bye!

Jose Kern11 said:God, what a total lie. The Republican Party is just a local Mamić setup???!! "It’s easier to let local Mamić types run wild through the club" — I don't even know what that's supposed to mean, and if I do, then this is easily the most insane sentence ever uttered on this board.

I'm done writing for today; I'm going to go watch some tennis, because honestly, half of you don't make any sense to me and it feels like I'm just typing into a void filled with people who have no clue what's actually happening.
Sure, you brought back the Dynamo name—yeah, okay—even though that shady guy passed away, so who knows where we'd be if he hadn't. But if you're seriously trying to tell me that you guys are the ones who'll finally kick Mamić out after that whole boycott, his return to the stands, and after three emails and two ridiculous, three-mile-long essays... well, even my grandmother wouldn't believe that. The simple truth is that you just don't have the muscle to move anyone right now, period. Anyone saying otherwise is just telling fairy tales. Saying you helped push the office out is a joke, but claiming *you* were the ones who actually did it? That's just hilarious. I'm out, bye.

And who else would have moved him if it wasn't for the BBB and ZZD stepping up to fight?! Everything was handled through legal channels, but apparently, you'd only accept an assassination attempt as a solution, I assume.
It was obvious from the start that politics was the only way to get rid of him, so moves had to be made to trigger that, because politics wouldn't have lifted a finger if there hadn't been pressure applied.
Or do you actually believe it would've been the citizens of Chicago, the sympathizers, or the powerful Torcida who pulled it off?!

Torcida has finally stepped up—it’s honestly better to take a bullet than to let the club's OWNERS turn into war profiteers and mobsters. It's the same story with Armada, too.

Personally, I have zero interest in cheering for a privatized Dynamo. I really hope—if things go that way—that enough people will step up to help us start a true community-owned, grassroots club starting from the lower leagues, rather than us all just backing some capitalist trash.

ironpanther5 said:Honestly, who do you think could have actually taken him down if it weren't for the fight led by the BBB and ZZD?! It’s like you'd only accept an assassination attempt as a solution, wouldn't you?
It was obvious from the very start that politics was the only thing capable of moving the needle, so the right moves just needed to be made to get things moving, because let's be real, the political establishment wouldn't have lifted a finger without significant pressure.
Or do you truly believe that the citizens of Chicago, his supporters, or even the powerful Torcida would have been the ones to make it happen?!

I agree with you, but it's really only in this last year that we've seen a legitimate struggle. And when the news reported on that ridiculous scene where someone was shouting at the press conference, people actually had the nerve to tell me, "Oh, he's such a massive fan"
You hit the nail on the head calling them a powerful Torcida, because right now, they carry more weight than, say, the Republican Party or anything else out there. It seems like even the educated, sensible folks in our society are practically bowing down to them these days.

Brainfear said:You’re living in a total fantasy land.

Honestly, you all just let yourselves get walked over. You had the entire city behind you—you could have done whatever you wanted—and since the club was basically built for a membership model, you should have fought back. Instead, you let them sell you out, and now you're stuck playing this pathetic game. If there had been even a shred of common sense involved, you could have kept the club run properly... but I guess that wasn't the plan. What's the actual benefit of this privatization? The club doesn't even belong to you anymore, yet it still survives entirely off your backs. They don't contribute a single thing; they just take.

Samuel Jones31 said:You guys really blew it—you had the whole city behind you and could have done whatever you wanted. This club was practically built for a membership model, yet you let yourselves be sold off, and now you’re stuck dealing with the fallout. If there were even an ounce of sense used, you could have set this place up properly... I mean, what’s the actual benefit of this privatization? You don't own the club, yet it survives on your dime while they contribute nothing—they just take.

It’s funny you think it’s actually like that—it isn't. Do you honestly believe your Real Madrid would fare any better? 😕

Keith Brown80 said:It would be nice if things worked out exactly like you say—but they just don't—so, do you honestly believe your Real Madrid is going to have a better run at it? 😕

We'll just have to see how things play out—it certainly would be easier if we had the support of the entire city behind us, but I suppose we aren't going to back down even like this.

Samuel Jones31 said:You guys absolutely blew it, and what makes it worse is you had the entire city backing you up; you could have demanded anything you wanted. This club was practically built for a membership-driven model, yet you just stood there and let yourselves be sold off, and now you can all sit there and act like you actually have some leverage. If there had been even a shred of common sense involved, you could have structured this club properly... but what’s the actual benefit of this privatization? You don't own the club, yet it survives entirely on your backs while those owners contribute nothing but taking.

You want to know who's really going to fail miserably? The Dinamo organization is going to crash and burn, kid... once the big shots pack their bags and vanish with all the cash, you're all going to find yourselves in deep, deep trouble.

Jesse Garcia86 said:You want to know who's going to get absolutely crushed? Dynamo is going to tank, kid... once those Smurfs pack up their bags and run off with all the cash, you guys are going to be in serious trouble...

Let them take it—I'd much rather play in a local state league than deal with a club run by pure greed and profiteers.

Had this debate regarding who fought harder against the mob taken place five years ago, it might have carried some weight. But now that everyone knows exactly who was colluding with whom, you are all squabbling over trivialities when no one intends to change anyone's mind anyway.
As if someone posting a photo of a fallen banner to argue whether it belonged to the first, second, or third group would actually matter.
Furthermore, these TV inspectors are attempting to establish facts that any serious follower of American football has understood for nearly a decade.
The match of the season is only ten days away—a chance to finally demonstrate this unified front to dismantle the syndicate. If only you could preserve this energy and unleash it in ten days, rather than bickering amongst yourselves over nonsense while the enemy laughs and enjoys the spectacle. Though, I highly doubt this division is accidental.
You aren't even aware of how many regular fans would stand behind your ultras if you simply stepped up. But then again, does it even matter whose mafia is stronger? Is Stims or Grgić a bigger mobster than Mamić?
Regardless, if they elect a new Pope tomorrow and he takes the name Peter, at least we know he's a rogue. At that point, everything else becomes irrelevant because the real investigation will begin. 😁

I honestly don't get why everyone's being so bitter. I basically kicked off this whole debate with stuff like this:

Jesse Campbell said:Look, you have to admit other groups in the country played a much bigger and more honest role than back in the 90s, contributing way more to the fight. A lot of ultras eventually realized that the Smurfs and his hyenas were just trying to crush the American supporter movement because it was their only organized opposition.

Why do you guys have to be the first ones to resort to force every single time? What kind of messed up mindset is that? I love you guys, and I love messing with you, but this isn't good for you... Your city and your club went down the drain because of that stupid mentality...