URGENT: Medical treatment in China!

Here is the situation... My brother-in-law is battling a very severe illness. He’s undergone numerous surgeries here in the States, but nothing has worked. Since our doctors couldn't find a solution, they sent his medical records over to France for potential surgery, but that didn't yield any results either.
He even tried some therapies from a specialist in the Philippines, which provided only minimal relief for the time being.
Through a news report, he learned about Dr. Plamenka Profeta from Washington, D.C., Dr. Ming, and the Lu Shan clinic in China (the National Federation of the Blind has been coordinating patient treatments there for over two years). He reached out to them, and they’ve guaranteed a full recovery within two months—for a price tag of $55,000. Given that he might only have about two years left without this, the stakes are incredibly high. They claim to use a combination of meditation and acupuncture, backed by what they call cutting-edge technology to monitor disease progression. Their philosophy is that serious illnesses stem from the malfunction of one of the five vital organs—kidneys, liver, lungs, etc.—and they treat it using their specific methods.
That $55,000 covers everything for those two months: lodging, specialized organic meals, a translator, all treatments, and access to their tech.
We’ve heard claims that they successfully treat even the most devastating conditions like bone cancer, MS, and blindness.
In preparation for the trip to China, my brother-in-law has been attending daily sessions in Washington, D.C., involving meditation and similar activities. To be honest, he feels their sales tactics are quite aggressive; they constantly push testimonials and "proof" of recoveries, which leaves him feeling like this might be a scam.
So, here we are. He is currently raising the funds, but in the meantime, we are reaching out everywhere to see if anyone has heard of these types of treatments in China, or if anyone knows someone who has actually been cured there.
$55,000 is an enormous amount of money. If he is truly cured, it’s an investment; but if this is just some elaborate fraud...
Please, we need your help. He needs to have the funds ready by January 31st for a February 1st departure. We aren't looking for financial assistance—just any information or firsthand accounts you might have regarding this.

Look-- some folks were actually hashing this exact thing out just the other day.
Whatever your buddy ends up deciding, I’m just sending him all the strength in the world to find that healing deep down inside.

The other day, I caught this segment on PBS about that Plamenka Profeta woman and her supposed "healing methods in China." I think it was on some show called "Life in Silver" or something along those lines.
It’s nothing but a blatant scam targeting desperate, sick people who are just grasping at any straw they can find. They actually invited the woman onto the show, but then she didn't even bother to show up—not that they bothered to explain why.
Apparently, people are actually traveling all the way to China for this. They get a few massages, maybe fifteen sessions total, and they shell out something like 90 bucks for the whole thing$0.00. Some eyewitnesses mentioned they felt a slight spiritual boost, sure, but physically? Absolutely nothing. And we're talking about people dealing with MS and similar conditions...

crimsoncrane3 said:Look, here’s the situation. My brother-in-law is dealing with a incredibly severe illness. He’s already gone through countless surgeries back home, but the doctors here just couldn't get him stabilized. Since the medical system in America failed to provide a solution, they sent his files over to France to see if they could perform the surgery there. So far? Absolutely nothing to show for it.
He went to see a Filipino therapist, but honestly, it’s only provided a little bit of relief so far.
He read about Dr. Plamenka Profeta from Washington, D.C., Dr. Ming, and the Lu Shan wellness clinic in China in the papers. Apparently, the European Center for Blind Education has been coordinating patient treatments there for over two years now. He reached out to them directly. They gave him a guarantee: full recovery within two months. The catch? It’ll set him back $55,000. If he skips this therapy, he’s looking at maybe two years left to live. Their approach involves various types of meditation and acupuncture, backed by what they claim is cutting-edge technology to monitor disease progression. The Chinese practitioners argue that any serious illness stems from a malfunction in one of the five vital organs—kidneys, liver, lungs, and so on. I don't know the exact specifics, but they claim to fix the root cause using their unique methods.
That price covers everything: housing for those two months, organic meals tailored specifically to you, a translator, medical care, and full access to top-tier tech.
Word is out that they’re finally making breakthroughs in treating the heavy hitters—stuff like bone cancer, multiple sclerosis, and even blindness.
My brother-in-law is heading to Washington, D.C. every single day for these prep sessions—meditation meetings and all that nonsense—to get ready for his trip to China. He tells me they’re getting incredibly aggressive with the sales pitch. They’re constantly shoving "evidence" in his face, showing him all these stories about people who supposedly got cured by their methods. Honestly, the whole thing smells like a total scam to me.
So, here’s the deal. He’s out there raising money right now. But at the exact same time, we’re all asking around, trying to find out if anyone has actually heard of these types of treatments in China. We're looking for real proof. Does anyone have any evidence? Does anyone know someone who actually went over there and was cured?
Fifty thousand dollars is a massive amount of money. If that kind of cash actually buys a cure, then it was worth every penny. But if this turns out to be some kind of scam? Then we’ve been played.
I need some help here. He has to get that payment in by January 31st, otherwise he misses the window entirely since the trip leaves on February 1st. Look, we aren't out here begging for cash. We just want to know if anyone has heard anything at all regarding this situation. Any info helps.

Don't you dare fall for that!
My sister has a four-year-old son who is visually impaired—essentially blind. Doctors here have basically given up on him because they can’t pin down the actual cause of his condition. It’s a long story, and honestly, the details don't matter right now. I’m writing this because I refuse to let anyone else go through the heartbreak my sister is dealing with. Of course, she and her husband were ready to fly to the other side of the world if it meant helping their little guy. They contacted this organization, and they actually had a departure date set in stone. But then, just like you mentioned, my brother-in-law started smelling a rat. Here’s the deal: the woman he spoke to over the phone gave him one set of facts regarding housing and treatment costs. Then, when he met with the woman at the organization's office, the numbers and details were completely different. How does that happen? It’s the same organization, supposedly offering the same service. To confirm his gut feeling, my brother-in-law called that first woman back and insisted she join them for lunch. He wasn't playing around; he was a desperate father threatening to make a massive scene if she didn't show up. When she finally sat down at the table, he laid everything out. He confronted them with the conflicting information, pitting one story against the other. They froze. They turned bright red because they clearly had no idea what the other person had told him. Total amateur hour.
Thank God they got out of those people's clutches before it was too late. Believe me, this is a total scam. We're talking about people with zero morals and absolutely no conscience who prey on others during their darkest moments just to line their own pockets. They promise a 100% recovery rate because they know exactly what someone will do when their loved one is fighting for their life. They count on desperation. They count on people grasping at straws, blinded by the desperate hope that their family member might actually get better. Luckily, my sister didn't fall for it, and I sincerely hope you don't either. I can't even begin to tell you how furious I am with that organization. Seeing my sister in tears—seeing her feel so betrayed and disappointed after being so hopeful about China—was more than I could handle.
Don't fall for their lies and keep your money in your pocket. This is a total SCAM!

crimsoncrane3 said:Well, here's the thing... they're raising funds, but at the same time, we're all asking around everywhere to see if anyone else has actually heard of these kinds of treatments in China, or if there’s any proof out there—like knowing someone who actually went there and was cured.

I've always been drawn to these incredible stories!
I'm just incredibly curious, though I find it really tough to believe sometimes.
So far, I haven't been able to get in touch with a single real person who underwent that treatment, let alone someone who was actually healed.
Because of that, I just can't say anything about how successful it really is. 🤷
Pure logic tells me that if they were truly that successful, the ultra-wealthy wouldn't be falling ill and passing away.

As for MS, that disease didn't originate in that part of the world, so I don't quite grasp how traditional Chinese medicine treats it or where that tradition even comes from.
But I am certain that all of us dealing with this—especially those facing major challenges and their families—are extremely easy targets, since Western medicine still hasn't found a cure for MS.

If you feel like sharing what specific illness your brother-in-law is battling, maybe someone here on the forum has some experience or advice that could actually help!

I really hope a real path to recovery is found, and I'm sending your brother-in-law so much luck on his journey!

What a bunch of thieves!
Sadly, I can't be of any help here...
Wishing you guys the best of luck!!!

Hell no. My cousin has MS and they tried to pitch her this treatment over in China. Smelled like a total scam from day one—just pure mysticism and nonsense. In the end, a female doctor actually shut it down for my brother. Look, alternative medicine is fine for some things, but it isn't curing MS. Not in China, not in Bangladesh, and not on the moon.

A friend of my cousin just got back from a medical trip to China, and honestly, the results speak for themselves. She’s been battling multiple sclerosis, and before she left, she could barely stand up—but I just saw her recently, and she’s walking perfectly. You can't even tell she was sick, and she seems to be feeling great. I think she was there for about a month.
I’ve always been pretty skeptical when it comes to alternative medicine, but this case really gave me pause. From everything I’ve heard, the treatments for MS seem to be incredibly effective. As for other conditions, like cancer, I’m not sure what the track record looks like.

Karen Thomas46,
is there any way to get in touch with your cousin in real life?
has she presented her results anywhere yet? maybe to doctors or a local nonprofit? this is absolutely incredible work, and I bet a ton of people would be interested!

She’s a friend of my niece. I’ll ask around and let you know, but I don't think it'll be an issue. Honestly, I only know her in passing, so I don't have all the specifics. I didn't see her back when she had trouble walking, but she's totally mobile now—I've seen it myself.

Hey everyone!
Back when I was at the pediatric oncology ward over at Mayo Clinic, I saw a handful of parents heading off to see a Filipino healer—I think they were charging about $110 a session. Others were running around seeing all sorts of bioenergy gurus or guys like Bratac.
Like I’ve mentioned before, those kids actually saw a tiny, temporary spike in their condition, but then came a crash so hard they wouldn't have made it out alive.
So, I'm leaving it up to you.

It reminded me of how researchers in the UK did this massive deep dive into pharmacies and shops in China. They checked out all the top-selling "miracle" supplements and found out that 85% of them were secretly loaded with steroids. Sure, they might give you a quick boost, but after that? Well, God help you.

crimsoncrane3 said:So, here's the situation... My brother-in-law is dealing with a really severe illness. He’s been through the ringer here at home, undergoing countless surgeries, but the doctors just haven't been able to get him stabilized. Since they couldn't find a way to help him here in the States, they actually sent all his medical records over to France to see if they could perform the surgery there instead. But honestly? It feels like we're just spinning our wheels—nothing has come of it yet.
He actually went to see a Filipino therapist for some sessions, but honestly, it’s only provided a bit of temporary relief so far. It hasn't quite hit the mark yet.
I was reading the news the other day and stumbled upon this story about Dr. Plamenka Profeta from Washington, D.C., along with Dr. Ming and that specialized clinic in China called Lu Shan. Apparently, the European Center for Blind Education has been coordinating patient treatments there for over two years now. It got me thinking because this one guy actually reached out to them. They gave him this massive guarantee—they told him he could be fully recovered within just two months. The catch? It’s going to set him back about $55,000. It’s a heavy price tag, for sure, but they pointed out that without this specific therapy, he might only have about two years left to live. Talk about a tough choice. From what I gather, their approach is a mix of different types of meditation and acupuncture. They also claim to use some pretty cutting-edge technology to track how the illness is progressing. The practitioners in China explain it like this: they believe any serious ailment stems from one of the five major organs—like the kidneys, liver, or lungs—not working quite right. Once they pinpoint that imbalance, they step in with their specific methods to fix it. I don't know all the technicalities of how their system works, but it sounds incredibly intense.
That total actually covers everything you'll need for those two months—accommodation is all set, and you won't have to worry about meals since we provide specially prepared, organic food. It also includes a translator, medical care, and full access to all the latest high-end tech.
I heard some news recently that really got me thinking—apparently, they've been making incredible breakthroughs in treating some of the toughest diseases out there. We're talking about things like bone cancer, multiple sclerosis, and even blindness. It’s one of those topics that makes you stop mid-sentence and just reflect on how far medical science has actually come.
My brother-in-law has been heading into Washington, D.C. every single day lately for these prep sessions—lots of meditation meetings and whatnot—getting ready for that upcoming trip to China. He mentioned to me that the people running things seem incredibly aggressive with their sales pitch. They keep relentlessly pushing all this "evidence" on him about who’s been healed by what and how miraculous everything is. Honestly, it's starting to rub him the wrong way. It feels a little shady to me, like there might be some kind of scam going on behind the scenes.
So, here’s the deal... he’s out there actively raising funds right now, but at the same time, we’re all basically playing detective. We've been asking around everywhere, trying to figure out if anyone has actually heard of these kinds of treatments over in China, or if there’s even a shred of real evidence out there. We're looking for anyone who might know someone—literally anyone—who has actually been there and walked away cured.
Fifty thousand dollars is a massive amount of money—I mean, that's enough to change your whole year. If that kind of cash actually leads to a cure or a real solution, then honestly, it’s worth every single penny. But if it turns out to be some kind of elaborate scam? Well, then we're looking at a total disaster. It's such a fine line between a life-changing investment and just getting ripped off.
I could really use some help here. He needs to get that payment in by January 31st, especially since they’re heading out on February 1st. Just to be clear, we aren't actually looking for a handout or anything—we just want to know if anyone has heard any whispers or news regarding this situation. Any info at all would be greatly appreciated.

When it comes to the actual cost of things, honestly, China is laughably cheap compared to the States. I mean, really, what’s the big deal? Nowadays, anyone can just hop online, pull up a few tabs, and see exactly what a flight or a hotel is going to run you. It's not like we're flying blind anymore! If you look at the numbers, maybe a plane ticket will run you around $1,100, and sure, if you go for those ultra-luxury, top-tier hotels, you might be looking at $220 a night. But those are the elite spots, the kind of places where you pay for the fancy lobby and the gold-plated faucets. There are plenty of places that are half that price—or even less—that are perfectly fine. A good friend of mine travels constantly for work, and she always tells me that the idea that you need a massive fortune to make a trip like this happens is just total nonsense. You just have to plan it right.

Everyone keeps talking about meditation like it’s this magical "Divine energy" that fixes everything instantly. Look, I don't want to be the one to dampen anyone's spirits, but let's get real for a second. I know a woman who spends just 20 minutes a day getting a massage, and honestly? She feels like a whole new person. I’m not saying don't try the spiritual stuff, but maybe do some actual research and look into practical things too. Just a thought!

Of course, the whole thing reeks of a shady backroom deal. What kind of "cutting-edge technology" or high-end wellness retreats are we even talking about? A guy I know who was actually there told me straight up: the patients barely see anything beyond some flashy promotional brochures for overpriced treatments. It’s all just smoke and mirrors.

Besides that, I’ve even heard some people argue they have every right to claim they’re doing better than the rest of us. And honestly? If it were actually true that they held all the answers to healing, we wouldn't be dealing with wheelchairs or seeing people succumb to cancer these days. It just doesn't add up when you really sit down and think about it.

Before you go diving headfirst into any massive medical debt, do yourself a favor and pick up the phone. Call up the local medical board, check in with the American Medical Association, or even reach out to an acupuncture society to see what they actually have to say about it. Seriously, don't just take one person's word for it—especially when it comes to those so-called "miracle cures" you see advertised everywhere. You really need to hunt down a second, third, or even fourth opinion. Every coin has two sides, and in this business, you definitely want to see both before you commit.

And honestly, how am I supposed to treat multiple sclerosis when certain ethnic groups aren't even susceptible to it? Don't get me wrong, herbal teas and specific diets can certainly help bolster your immune system—they’re fine for that. It’s a bit like macrobiotics, really; it's all well and good for general wellness, but it isn't going to pull you out of a wheelchair. It won't cure cerebral palsy, and it sure as hell won't cure cancer. You aren't going to suddenly regain your sight or your speech just because you started sipping chamomile. I know, I know—some of you might think I'm being harsh, but someone has to say it. Please, don't be sheep. If you're looking for answers, vet them. Check three different, reputable sources before you believe anything. Otherwise, you'll end up handing over everything you own to some charlatan, only to find yourself drowning in debt and credit card interest. It’s just not worth it.

Joseph Morris12 said:Besides, how am I supposed to treat multiple sclerosis when the yellow race doesn't even get that disease? Sure, teas and diet can help bolster your system, which is fine—it’s basically just macrobiotics—but it isn't going to pull you out of a hospital bed. It won't cure MS, and it won't cure cancer. You aren't going to suddenly regain your sight or speech just because you drank some herbal tea. I might sound harsh to some, but that's the reality. People, stop being sheep. Triple-check everything at three different sources before you go handing over every cent you own and drowning yourself in debt and credit cards!

I'm lost here, but is it possible that's exactly why they don't get sick?😕?
Look, the world is crawling with charlatans, I get it, but there are actual alternatives that work—think acupuncture. Western medicine tends to be incredibly guarded, if not outright hostile, toward anything labeled "alternative."
About a year ago, I met a woman who finished medical school and specialized in a specific field (I can't recall exactly which one), and she was deeply frustrated by certain rigid stances in the medical establishment, especially in those grim cases where doctors basically wash their hands of a patient because there's nothing left to do. She ended up going to China to specialize in traditional Chinese medicine through one of their medical universities. She told me that in Chinese hospitals, they actually run classical medicine and traditional Chinese medicine side-by-side. They use traditional methods to effectively neutralize the brutal side effects of chemotherapy, for example.
China is an entirely different universe with a massive history—if you look at it chronologically, there's no real equivalent in the West, maybe something rooted back in ancient Mesopotamia—built on solid foundations of philosophy and a specific way of interpreting how things work. Just because our traditional Western worldview makes it impossible for us to wrap our heads around something doesn't mean it's a scam. Our inability to comprehend it is actually the core issue. If you want real insight, find some Chinese friends and ask them what they think about this from a layman's perspective. It might actually be helpful.😉

Angela Wright said:I'm a little lost here, but is it possible that's actually the reason they don't get sick in the first place😕?

don't get sick
If they aren't getting sick, how on earth can anyone gain experience treating it or successfully using traditional medicine for a disease that just isn't showing up in them?
What would they even base their experience on?
How could they have possibly developed any cures or methods if they had nothing (or no one) to test them on?

That's the catch right there!
Plus, since there's no actual cure for MS today, people would probably sell their souls—and honestly, most would sell everything they own just to fly off to China to find one.

jadesailor14 said:they don't get sick
so how on earth can they claim to have experience treating a disease with traditional medicine if they don't even suffer from it themselves?
What exactly is their basis for this supposed expertise?
How could they possibly develop drugs or treatment methods when they had no one to test them on?

That’s the catch right there.
And let's be real—since there's currently no successful cure for MS, desperate patients would sell their souls to find one, and they'd gladly liquidate every asset they own just to fly off to China to try anything.

Look, it sounds perfectly logical to us based on what you said, but couldn't we assume that perhaps people were suffering from these conditions a thousand years ago, even if we have no historical record of it? They could have built their entire body of knowledge on that lost history🤷. Plus, according to their traditional medical philosophy, almost all illnesses are viewed as disruptions at an energetic level. That's how acupuncture works, for example—it "reconnects" the flow of energy through those energy chakras. They aren't really diving deep into the actual pathology of the disease itself.
I completely understand the desperation of a patient—you know better than anyone that we've dealt with that in my own family—and I see how easy it is to be scammed. But what I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't immediately dismiss everything just because it doesn't align with our current logic.
It's certain that we need to investigate this more thoroughly and remain open to things we can't scientifically explain yet (which doesn't mean they won't be scientifically explained eventually).
Has anyone actually asked what they base their treatments on if they don't have MS patients among them? It's not like they're all just blindly running into a fog without any foundation.😕

Angela Wright said:Has anyone actually asked what they base their treatment plans on when there aren't even any MS patients there? It feels like everyone just went charging blindly into the fog!😕

He asked. 😁
Honestly, I’m just not seeing any concrete answers here! 🤷
Besides all those vague claims like "so many people tried it and everyone was happy," who exactly are these "many people"? I’d love to know if we can actually get in touch with any of them! Would they be willing to speak up publicly? Or maybe even share their names and some medical records to back it up?
I figured I'd throw this question out here, too!
To me, those all seem like totally normal, expected questions from someone who isn't being a total jerk! 😁
If I ever got my hands on something that fantastic, I’d be shouting it from the rooftops to the whole wide world!

There are just those moments in life where all logic and reason completely fly out the window! I’ve definitely had my fair share of those "what was I thinking?" days.
It doesn't happen to everyone, but for some people, it definitely does!

Alright, let's see if Karen Thomas46 actually managed to dig up anything concrete. It would be a damn miracle if there was actually something tangible out there that could improve this mess and finally get it under control.

That would be absolutely wonderful!
The catch is that $50,000 is just out of reach for most people, especially since word is that even that amount might not last forever.
It’s definitely not easy for many folks to pull together that kind of cash.

Honestly, the absolute most shameful thing about the medical scene in China is how they prey on parents of kids with developmental disabilities by promising these "miracle" cures; I mean, these parents are willing to move mountains for their child, let alone shell out every cent they have for some fake "treatment."
Sure, some of these methods might pull off an isolated win once in a blue moon—and if you're someone living in constant, unbearable agony, maybe even a temporary fix feels like a miracle—but for anyone else, it’s totally insufficient and lacks any scientific backing whatsoever.
But then, you’ve got these people guaranteeing success when it never actually happens, only to turn around later and claim you just need to commit for years and cough up even more cash...

MS is an incurable disease—though, fingers crossed, we see a breakthrough soon.
Regarding all these trips and the grand promises of a cure, I honestly think the whole thing is one massive scam. I’ve been living with multiple sclerosis for 10 years now, and there have been times when I could barely—if not at all—move. While spending time at a wellness retreat or a spa always helps me manage my symptoms, I find it incredibly bold of them to claim they can actually CURE MS. I'm not so sure about their efficacy regarding other conditions.
It would be great if anyone who has dealt with this organization stepped up, went public, and reached out to reporters at shows like 60 Minutes to help expose these fraudsters once and for all.
The issue likely isn't China, where the treatments are supposedly cheap; it's the people masquerading as humanitarians just to get rich off someone else's suffering.