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The Trios": The ultimate movie killers of the new generation?

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casualraven casualraven Member
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joined Jan 2007
#41 ·
nimblemarlin6 said:It’s gonna look pretty much like this, just way more hyped up.😁

Since you only provided a YouTube link without any accompanying text to rewrite, I can't craft the post for you just yet! Drop the text or the context from the video you want me to transform, and I'll get to work rewriting it into that long, detailed, laid-back style we discussed. Just let me know what the vibe is, and I'll handle the rest.

I mean, who else is gonna do it? It’s gotta be Michael Bay. 🙂

The trailer actually has a surprisingly serious vibe. And honestly? The Transformers don't even speak. In my opinion, that’s probably for the best—it might be better if they never say a word at all.

Sounds alright, I'll check it out. Though, like Obi-Wan would say, "I have a baaad feeling about this." 😬

(Wait, was that actually Linkin Park at the start of the trailer? LOL)
Jerry Martin19 Jerry Martin19 Regular
367 messages
joined Nov 2006
#42 ·
thought we were talking about triplets 🤣
Jerry Martin19 Jerry Martin19 Regular
367 messages
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#43 ·
Screw these debates. I’m done arguing about whether "trilogies" like Spider-Man, Pirates of the Caribbean, Star Wars, The Terminator, or The Lord of the Rings are just cash grabs or not. I'm guessing making bank was always the priority—especially for Spider-Man—but honestly, I couldn't care less about the back-and-forth. I'll watch if I feel like it, and if not, I won't.

btw, what's up with the whole "new generation" assassins thing? What even defines a new generation? 🙂
Drew Wright5 Drew Wright5 Member
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#44 ·
casualraven said:Well, who else would you expect besides Michael Bay... 🙂

The trailer actually carries a surprisingly serious tone. The Transformers don't even speak (honestly, it’d probably be better if they stayed silent)!...

It looks alright enough; I'll probably give it a watch, though I can almost hear Obi-Wan Kenobi saying, "I have a baaad feeling about this." 😬

(By the way, is that Linkin Park playing at the start of the trailer? LoL)

That's LP. The trailer looks great; I didn't think a movie about Transformers could ever look this serious.
Anyway, I just need to vent for a second to justify my use of caps lock. 😳
Richard Howard2 Richard Howard2 Active MemberOP
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#45 ·
The Transformers franchise is going to be faster, bigger, and better—expect more explosions, more slow-motion sequences, and more photorealistic details to prove the physics actually make sense. The plot:

"Oh my God, I have never seen anything like this before, except in Armageddon, The Day After Tomorrow, Godzilla, Independence Day, War of the Worlds, etc."

"It’s strictly classified information, but don't worry about it; the entire world will find out soon enough"

"We could be looking at the literal end of the world as we know it. Once again"

"Noooooouuuu"

"Jesus. They're here"

Oh my God, Jesus, Mary and Joseph, holy shit and holy cow, my mother's grave—they are just soooooo BIG!
casualraven casualraven Member
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#46 ·
Don't forget the whole "TELL MY WIFE I — AAAARG!!!! *BOOM*" thing 😁
Jessica Nguyen85 Jessica Nguyen85 Active Member
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#47 ·
I’m not sure if anyone else has picked up on this yet... but the real issue with these kinds of debates usually boils down to how we define things. To me, those trilogies—and honestly, even some of the quintets—just don't qualify as "films" in the sense I'm using the term.

I don't really count people like Stephen King or Chuck Palahniuk as actual literature.

Trying to convince someone they’re wrong feels a lot like dealing with a viral outbreak. You just burn everything that came into contact with the infection... but you still have to deal with whatever's left standing.
Andrew Williams Andrew Williams Newcomer
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#48 ·
Gerald Barrett25 said:I don't really count guys like Stephen King or Chuck Palahniuk as actual literature.

Artistic elitism. It’s such a joke. This is art. That? Not even close.Keep Cthulhu out of this if we want to stick to an objective definition of art—one that doesn't just trample over everything in its path by leaning on subjective feelings. That'd be too easy.

Look, you clearly aren't a fan of Stephen King—fine. There's no denying he’s a writer and an artist, but let's get one thing straight: artists aren't untouchable gods, and art isn't just some "whatever you feel like" subjective mess. Alright. Art, huh... man, we could go in circles on that one forever. Honestly, it all just comes down to what era you're living in, don't you think?

Richard Howard2 is basically the perfect example of this. It’s not just his constant "The end is so extremely fucking nigh!" screaming—it’s that he actually can't stand the whole artistic direction of the movie. Look, that's fine. He doesn't have to like it. But he refuses to even acknowledge it as a legitimate style of art. Probably because, for an agnostic like him, "art" is just something they pretend exists to feel better about themselves. 🙄Look, on the other hand, you can't really argue with the history there. It’s always been the same old story—one group picks a fight with a third party just to stay ahead. It's a cycle. 🙂 Even when you're looking at the same movement—take the whole Camus vs Sartre debate, for example.

I think a solid definition of art boils down to this: it’s whatever is created specifically to kickstart the human spirit. To me, the absolute best kind of art is the stuff that hits you where it counts—something that stirs up both your senses and your deepest emotions at the same time.

(FYI, The human spirit. It’s one of those heavy concepts people love to toss around when they want to sound deep, but honestly? Most of the time, it’s just about grit. It’s that stubborn, irrational refusal to stay down when life tries to kick your teeth in. You see it in movies, sure—some hero standing against impossible odds—but in the real world, it’s much messier. It’s less about cinematic glory and more about just getting up the next morning when everything feels like a total wreck. It's that raw, unpolished drive to keep moving, even when there's no logical reason to bother. It’s basically the one concept that lets me wrap my head around both the logic and the raw emotion of it all.

Again, the definition is pretty weak. Depending on how you look at it, it ends up covering everything from sports to basically whatever else you want to throw in there. Anyone got a better way to define this?

Bearing that in mind, art can't—and honestly, shouldn't—just be a playground for pure subjectivity. Sure, when you're pushing boundaries, things get messy. But look, whether a piece of work is actually good or just garbage? That’s totally up for debate. We can argue about taste all day long if we want to. My point is, we really need to nail down what we even mean by "art" before we start these endless arguments. Otherwise, we're just spinning our wheels and getting nowhere. 😬

Richard Howard2 said:Transformers is just gonna be bigger, faster, and better. Expect more explosions, way more slow-mo, and enough photorealistic detail to make you actually believe the physics aren't totally broken.

What's the problem? Art has never worked quite like this before.

...

Hold up, wait a second...

Everything has to move faster. Higher volumes, brighter lights, records being shattered left and right, and an endless stream of weird, unsettling clips flooding YouTube—but why? Because the money has to keep piling up. That’s not even the main driver; it’s just the side effect. Once we smashed through every technical barrier of "how to make things happen," once there wasn't a single cinematic hurdle left to clear, we just landed in this void of total nonsense. Now, all we can do is keep ramping up the speed, desperately sprinting through the chaos just so we don't accidentally run face-first into "The Reason."

Oh, really? Like painting—which went from simple beginnings to these hyper-realistic visions—never actually had a revolution? Cubism never happened. Jewish conspiracy, no doubt.

The reason is right under your nose, but it's the one thing you refuse to admit. It's that artistic elitism I was talking about.

The 20th century should have effectively been the end of humanity—two world wars, a Cold War, the death of art, the total collapse of moral order... and yet, we're still standing. Actually, we're still evolving—we haven't managed to wipe ourselves out just yet. Not saying we won't (there's plenty of time), but keep in mind that progress brings changes that irreversibly shift the landscape before the status quo can regain control (that thing you're panicking about—don't worry, it scares me too). Every time we think we're done for, things flip and it turns out we learned something new from the chaos. Best part is, this time we aren't even falling; we reflexively resort to talking about death (art, family, the neighbors of Matilda). We're still kickin', mate.

Watched Pirates of the Caribbean 3 yesterday and I was stoked. They take themselves even less seriously than the last one and they're even more over-the-top—exactly what I expected from them 🙂 Pure nonsense galore.

Also, saw the trailer for Die Hard 4.0 and I'm definitely hitting the theater for that 😬

'Omg, you took out that helicopter with a car!'
'I was outta bullets.'

😬

Aah, brings me back to the days of Rambo 😁

No, the movie isn't going to be some philosophical treatise. No, I'm not going to enroll in Police Academy after watching it. It'll most likely just be funny and ridiculous. And I like 'em that way 🙂 I like them engaging, heavy, and ambiguous. Honestly, I don't care what they are—as long as they entertain me and fulfill me.

Now, I'll be fulfilled if I'm entertained. Doesn't always work the other way around.

Look, I'm an existentialist and an angst-ridden emo kid at heart. I fight the meaninglessness of existence and the absurdity of daily life with both types of movies, but primarily, I need those Pirates films that don't take themselves seriously and are ready to entertain me exactly how I want. They put me in that specific headspace, they inspire me, and they spark creativity because I feel like a kid again with a bucket of Legos—bright, fun pieces I can use to build a bunch of incredibly stupid stuff and just enjoy it.

The Python fans, despite being bullied all over the internet, are the perfect example of the kind of fulfillment and entertainment I’m talking about. They make me laugh, but they also highlight the absurdity (*Camus vs Sartre* style, where reality points a finger at me and laughs) that I'm already aware of. And I like that.

The Pirates franchise only truly hit what it was supposed to be from the start with the third one—a total over-the-top funfest. The first one still had some pretensions to realism, but bah to that, I say! Bah! They work much better as lighthearted, self-deprecating fun. In the third one, they built this whole unique setting that is incredibly—god, how many times am I gonna say this—fun, and obviously, it makes zero sense to a rational brain 😬 (and that's just a figure of speech, FYI)

The geek subculture, which I proudly belong to, thrives on movies like this. Rightly so. They capture everything that's good about geekdom—just pure, unadulterated fun.

Don't worry about a new artistic direction destroying film—it'll just be replaced by another, which will, in turn, be replaced by a new one.

FYI, I don't love The Terminator 2. If I watched it again now, and I probably should, I'm sure I'd love it, but to me, The Terminator 1 was the absolute king as a kid—a bone-chilling thriller. You've got this unstoppable cyborg from the future coming for you and you have zero chance. All you can do is run, run, and then run some more. In the sequel, you're being chased by an unstoppable cyborg from the future again, but now he's made of liquid metal and driving a massive truck. Does that premise sound reminiscent of something to you?

Growing up, that was such a huge turn-off for me, which is pretty ironic since the movie itself was actually solid. I just miss that raw tension you get from the first one, is all.

Or maybe they're just out in the woods somewhere.
nimblemarlin6 nimblemarlin6 Active Member
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#49 ·
Regarding Blackbeard

Blackbeard, seriously, nice work—really well written. 👍

But... man, I’d love to actually sit down and watch something like «Pirates of the Caribbean» that tries to lean into realism! You know, a true super-spectacle where they actually bother with things like drama, acting, blood, guts, and history. Now, «Master and Commander»? That was top-tier. That's the kind of pirate flick I'm looking for, but you just don't see them anymore! I want the massive spectacle, the huge budget, and all the effects, but without all that postmodern, ironic nonsense—all those endless little jokes and layers of self-deprecation.

In today's edition of The New York Times, they were actually praising the review of «Pirates III». They claim that with this movie: "…the modernistic screenwriters intended to create a 'bargain bin of antiquities,' poking fun at the sacred cows of nostalgic fans by ironically mocking the old adventure films of Errol Flynn... etc." So, get this—they are essentially mocking expensive pirate adventure movies. Does anyone else find it weird to be satirizing something that doesn't even exist in the first place? I have a bit of a hard time identifying with characters—kind of like in Monty Python—who, in the world of video games, spend their time mocking adventure movies I haven't even watched since who knows when. I'd love, just for once, if they actually filmed an actual template of what they're supposedly making fun of.
Richard Howard2 Richard Howard2 Active MemberOP
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#50 ·
Blackbeard, please, don't force me into starting yet another lecture on art, history, and their homeland on this specific thread. 🙂
Jerry Martin19 Jerry Martin19 Regular
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#51 ·
🤣

keep going Nighthawk, keep it up 🙂 because people actually enjoy reading this, and they say you're 🙂
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casualraven casualraven Member
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joined Jan 2007
#52 ·
Blackbeard is my hero 😍

Too bad I'm a guy... 😳 😬

Heh, nah, for real though, that's a killer comment... even if it's a massive wall of text (most people just scroll past those the second they see them) 🙂
Charles Evans Charles Evans Member
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#53 ·
It’s honestly impossible to get through to you guys—it’s like trying to explain color to someone who refuses to open their eyes. What’s playing in theaters right now is absolute garbage, pure and simple. But I guess I can't expect much when everyone has been so thoroughly brainwashed by mindless nonsense that you've basically developed an immunity to quality. Just look at the massive gulf between something like Die Hard and this latest installment. They aren't even in the same universe; there is zero connection between them. Those of you who actually know what I'm talking about get it instantly without me needing to spell it out. As for those writing long-winded essays trying to play philosopher? Honestly, they've already burned out, and there's no coming back from that level of delusion.
northerncrane4 northerncrane4 Regular
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#54 ·
Gerald Barrett25 said:For instance—I don't consider someone like Stephen King or Chuck Palahniuk to be "literature."

Sorry, man—not reading this thread. 😎
dustywolf dustywolf Newcomer
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#55 ·
Richard Howard2 said:They finally arrived:

Spider-Man 3
Shrek 3
Pirates of the Caribbean 3

I stopped watching soulless movies a long time ago. I simply don't bother. Terminator 2 had soul, and somehow it managed to be better than the original. It defies logic, yet it remains true.

The last film I watched that possessed any actual soul was "The Last Samurai." The plot feels like it was lifted from "Dances with Wolves," but the film retains its own charm, spirit, and uniqueness.
nimblemarlin6 nimblemarlin6 Active Member
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#56 ·
Do mainstream hits actually have a soul, or are they just hollow shells... 🙄...and honestly, who's even qualified to judge that?😬
Take the trailer for Transformers—there’s this little girl who clearly has a massive soft spot for machines, and she climbs out of a pool only to be met by this huge, surprisingly decent-looking robot. Naturally, they’re going to become best friends... it's basically the same setup as E.T. But does that actually carry any emotional weight? 🙂

These massive blockbusters like Transformers... they really are just modern versions of those old 50s flicks with titles like "Creature from the Black Lagoon," "Attack of the Giant Ants," or "Alien Attack" from Mars... It's funny how what used to be considered cheap, low-budget trash for kids is now the absolute backbone of the entire film industry.
Jamie Ruiz5 Jamie Ruiz5 Newcomer
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#57 ·
dustywolf said:I stopped wasting my time on soulless movies a long time ago. It's just not something I do anymore.

How exactly are you supposed to know if a movie has "soul" before you've even seen it? 😕
wiredranger30 wiredranger30 Member
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#58 ·
Charles Evans said:It’s clearly impossible to make you people understand that whatever is playing in theaters right now is garbage, par excellence.


Stop talking nonsense—who exactly are you to decide what counts as trash and what doesn't? Why even bother trying to convince anyone else that a movie is bad? If it's garbage to you, fine, that's where the conversation ends. But going around lecturing everyone else that something is "trash" just because it didn't meet your personal standards is, frankly, pretty idiotic.
Richard Howard2 Richard Howard2 Active MemberOP
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#59 ·
It doesn't even have anything to do with film criticism anymore. It’s no longer about whether something is good or bad—those concepts were lost a long time ago. Nowadays, we can only analyze these phenomena for what they actually are.
Charles Evans Charles Evans Member
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#60 ·
Richard Howard2 said:It’s not even about reviewing movies anymore. It isn't a matter of "good" versus "bad." Those concepts were lost to us ages ago. Nowadays, we can only analyze these phenomena for what they truly are.

It is never too late to call out garbage when you see it! Honestly, most of the films hitting theaters today are total trash, much like the endless stream of shows and series clogging up the TV networks. And don't even get me started on the music—it's absolute junk. Pretty much all multimedia coming from any source these days feels like bottom-of-the-barrel nonsense. For instance, I turn on > almost every day, and the sheer volume of stupidity pouring out of those teen-targeted shows is just immeasurable. They actually have this competition centered around who can be the most offensive, called "Yo Momma." You've got two idiots in baggy pants surrounded by their peers, trying to squeeze in as many "your momma is so fat..." jokes as possible within a few minutes. Then, they celebrate the winner like he's some kind of comedic genius! In reality, he's just a shallow buffoon with nothing else going for him in life. Then there's the infamous >, which hardly needs an explanation, or the brilliant > where people pick partners based solely on how their bedroom looks. Kids today are incredibly naive, but frankly, they're only that way because they're being spoon-fed pure idiocy. They end up swallowing things like >, >, and all sorts of other cheap, mindless drivel.

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