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The Trios": The ultimate movie killers of the new generation?

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Richard Howard2 Richard Howard2 Active MemberOP
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joined Dec 2002
#61 ·
Charles Evans said:It is never too late to admit when things have gone south. Current cinema is garbage, much like most of the shows and series clogging up the networks. Music? Garbage. Any multimedia coming from any source nowadays is simply trash. For instance, I turn on MTV almost every day and the sheer volume of idiocy produced by these teen shows is immeasurable. They have this competition centered around how obscene you can be called "Yo Momma." Just two idiots in baggy pants surrounded by peers, trying to see who can shout "your momma is so fat..." the most times in a few minutes. And then they celebrate the winner as if he were some kind of genius, when in reality, he is just a vacuous moron with nothing else to offer life. Then there is the infamous Pimp My Ride, which requires little commentary, and the brilliant Room Raiders, where people choose partners based solely on their bedroom decor. Today's children are unbelievably stupid, but they are only that way because they are being spoon-fed nonsense. They swallow things like Spider-Man, Dark Films, and those cheap, mindless trifles.


Yes, all of that holds water, but it goes deeper than just losing a sense of what is good. It is more serious than that. We have lost our compass—the entire regulatory system that allows one to categorize anything as good or bad in the first place. Because of this, it is no longer even a question of values.

It is quite fascinating, really. We have reached a point where films that insult human intelligence are praised simply because they are "fun" or allow you to "unwind." Nowadays, letting your brain rot is treated like a prescribed recipe—something legitimate, recommended, even commendable. Consequently, we will never again be able to distinguish true entertainment from pure stupidity.

BTW, the absolute peak of absurdity on MTV is when they pay a few pathetic dollars to random people on the street to perform disgusting stunts (like eating a pile of raw fish eyes). Everyone looks happy, and it is presented as if it were perfectly logical. I suppose, in this era, it actually is... 😁
Charles Evans Charles Evans Member
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#62 ·
You hit the nail right on the head—absolutely spot on. And honestly, it goes even deeper than that; nowadays, movies aren't just produced, they're manufactured in massive bundles. Think about it: studios don't just greenlight a single standalone film anymore. Instead, they’re already planning sequels before they even have a clue what the plot is going to be! It’s like the entire production process is driven by the mere act of filming itself. They secure the budget first, and only then do they scramble to figure out what actually happens on screen. It’s exactly like how console games work. For instance, Electronic Arts will map out a whole release schedule for NBA 2007, 2008, and 2009, and then they just dive straight into production. It's the same deal with Pirate movies set in the Caribbean. Why bother making just one sequel when you can bank two at once?
casualraven casualraven Member
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joined Jan 2007
#63 ·
Charles Evans said:There’s this competition about being as crude as possible called "Yo Momma." Basically, you've got two idiots in baggy jeans surrounded by their buddies, just trying to see who can shout "your momma is so fat..." the most times in a couple of minutes. Then they celebrate the winner like he’s some kind of genius, when really, he’s just a brainless moron with nothing else going on in his life.

Well, there you go. Apparently, that's one way to boost your IQ...

I bet you'd just be standing there stuttering, struggling to even think of a comeback. 😬
nimblemarlin6 nimblemarlin6 Active Member
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#64 ·
casualraven said:Well, look, that’s actually just one way for intelligence to develop...

I mean, honestly—I'd bet anything you'd just be stuttering the whole time, totally tripping over your words trying to figure out what to say next. 😬


Emotional and social intelligence—that stuff—is way more vital for making it in the real world than... uh... than that... what's the term... that "book smart" kind of intelligence. 🙂
Charles Evans Charles Evans Member
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#65 ·
casualraven said:Well, look, that’s just one way intelligence can actually develop...

Honestly, I’d bet anything you’d spend the whole time stuttering, just desperately trying to find the right words to say. 😬

Develop intelligence? Seriously? We are all just trying to have a normal conversation here. If you can't handle that, there's an Off-topic subforum where you can go vent to people your own age.
Charles Evans Charles Evans Member
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#66 ·
nimblemarlin6 said:Emotional and social intelligence are way more vital for making it in society than... uh... what do you call it... raw IQ. 🙂

I have to disagree here. Honestly, the underlying message being blasted by all these movies, TV shows, songs, and media programs is pretty simple: success is purely about the money. It’s a blatant equation—if you’ve got the cash, you’re somebody. If you’re rolling up in a flashy luxury car, suddenly you're the man. Even if you just scraped together a hundred bucks because you mastered some obscure, niche skill, you're considered successful simply because you have that hundred dollars in your pocket. That's exactly how the film industry operates. If a movie pulls in massive box office numbers, the industry declares the project a "success." It doesn't matter if the story was hollow or the quality was abysmal; if the bank account grew, they call it a win. And don't even get me started on the obsession with sequels! People are so obsessed with chasing follow-ups that they've completely lost sight of the fact that a good story actually needs a beginning and an end. It’s gotten so ridiculous that some "intellectuals" will even bring up something like the > when discussing whether a sequel is warranted. We've become so addicted to the next installment that we've forgotten how to appreciate a complete work of art.
quietdriver3 quietdriver3 Regular
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joined Mar 2005
#67 ·
Charles Evans said:I mean, I end up flipping through MTV almost every single day, and honestly, the amount of pure nonsense coming out of those shows meant for teenagers is just... it's hard to even put into words how mindless it is.


I guess you just aren't watching the right stuff. Strutter is actually pretty awesome. 🙏
Jerry Martin19 Jerry Martin19 Regular
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#68 ·
Yeah, you're right, but it’s not just about losing a sense of what's good. It's deeper than that. We've lost the compass entirely—the actual regulatory system that lets us categorize things as good or bad in the first place. At this point, it isn't even about values anymore...

It’s wild how we’ve reached a stage where movies that basically insult your intelligence are praised just because they're "fun" or help you "unwind." Nowadays, turning your brain off is treated like a prescription, something legitimate and actually encouraged. That's why you can never tell the difference between entertainment and pure stupidity again...

BTW, my favorite thing on MTV is when they pay some random people a few pathetic bucks to do gross stuff, like eating a pile of raw fish eyes. Everyone acts like they're having the time of their lives, and it all looks totally logical. I guess it is... 😁

Honestly, I don't really care if the papers give a 4/5 or 5/5 to the new Pirate movie tomorrow. That internal compass used to judge quality in a broader sense never really existed anyway. Old saying: "one man's trash is another man's treasure," but I get what you're saying. It sucks that these movies get such high praise. Personally, I don't mind the hype, but looking at society as a whole, it’s definitely an issue... It’s not even really "praise," it's just media exposure and marketing for products where the priority is cash and clearing space for the next sequel, which will aim for the same goal. Money, money, money. That’s not even the biggest issue here. You, me, or anyone in our generation can always find a decent movie to watch if we don't just default to watching some massive blockbuster like Spider-Man III in theaters. But what about the younger generations? That's where the real problem lies. They need to find a way to break through the bubble being built around them, and those options are shrinking. To "them," these movies represent nothing more than a visual and auditory scam—a total fraud against the art of cinema. They're basically being spoon-fed what to watch, and it's incredibly easy to steer the masses in the wrong direction...
A Anonymous Veteran
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#69 ·
Seriously, does every single thread on this forum have to start with "who's smarter between them..."?

This is actually a solid topic, and honestly, I think everyone should be debating the subject itself instead of just attacking the comments!

Selling smoke and mirrors to Hollywood seems to be working wonders, but I really wonder how much longer people are going to fall for the same old tropes—you know, the endless car chases and shootouts in the middle of a massive US metropolis.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Do you seriously need someone to slap the living hell out of you every single day just to realize you're being hit?

Sometimes I feel like there’s nothing lower than some people.
A person can be the ultimate pushover because you can basically ...... and they'll just keep asking for more!

How much more are we going to keep asking for?
Emily Johnson27 Emily Johnson27 Newcomer
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#70 ·
Charles Evans said:It’s honestly futile trying to explain to you people that what’s currently playing in theaters is garbage, pure and simple. I can't make it stick because you've all been so thoroughly brainwashed by mindless fluff that you've become immune to criticism. Just look at the comparison between Die Hard and this current fourth installment. They aren't even in the same universe. Those who actually understand cinema get what I'm saying without me needing to spell it out. As for those writing long-winded essays like the philosopher above—you're already too far gone. There's no saving you.

I think you might be dealing with some serious issues here, because commercial success doesn't automatically equal bad filmmaking. Why is it that for people like you, anything that isn't a low-budget indie flick is inherently flawed? Your logic just doesn't hold up. Fine, let's say Die Hard was a different beast entirely, but how on earth can you compare that to Pirate?! That's like arguing over why there were sequels to The Lord of the Rings (though if you ask me, the second one didn't even need to exist). If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would have voiced an opinion when Titanic swept 11 Oscars, or when Ghost Rider hit theaters.

These are just the kinds of movies meant to be mocked.

Look, I'm not exactly a Disney devotee or a sucker for every blockbuster that rolls out, but I have to admit, I genuinely enjoyed all three Pirate films, much like I did with Spider-Man III.
wiredranger30 wiredranger30 Member
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#71 ·
Anonymous said:Selling smoke to Hollywood seems to be working wonders—I’m honestly curious how much longer people will fall for this tired trope of blowing up cars or shooting people in the middle of a massive metropolis.

As long as they’re showing it on those massive cinema screens with perfect surround sound, people will keep coming. 👍 There’s nothing quite like hitting a high-end theater to watch a movie where an SUV detonates in downtown Chicago, taking two or three skyscrapers down with it—you actually feel that rumble in your chest, almost like the debris is flying right past you. It’s a rush. That’s the only reason I’m even bothering with 👍 Transformers. I mean, seriously, I'm not trekking to the theater to sit through some indie drama from, say, Prague. 🤣 🤣 Get real.
dustywolf dustywolf Newcomer
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#72 ·
Jamie Ruiz5 said:How can you possibly know if a movie has "soul" before you've even seen it? 😕


I just know. I tried watching something like Pirate from the Caribbean once—one of them—and the moment I realized what it was about, I gave up.😁
Richard Howard2 Richard Howard2 Active MemberOP
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#73 ·
It is gratifying to see ideas blossoming and this topic finally finding its purpose.

Personally, I find that this entire narrative has little to do with the motives outlined in Capital. To believe that everything unfolds solely for the sake of profit is rather naive (though money certainly acted as the catalyst): the true issue lies within a vortex from which there is no escape; an entire system of signs to which the whole of production (in this case, film) submits itself.

The production process itself—and the resulting films—are what establish the principles of valuation, rather than production being something that merely follows or violates some static, unchanging value system.

Since most of us here grew up under the previous value system, it isn't difficult for us to notice this shift, yet as Jerry Martin19 asks with concern, what will become of the new generation?

The new generation—those born after, say, the year 2000—will be entirely indifferent to the matters we discuss here. They will act as total sponges, forming and absorbing themselves precisely according to the current code. There truly won't be any systems or principles left to assign value or distinguish good from bad; everything will be equally "good" (or at least as good as it can possibly be), much like how advertisements never feature a bad product (!).

The ultimate fate lies in a true socialism (not the kind socialists attempted to force upon society), which arrives through its own evolution—there will no longer be a dialectic between creation and criticism, no more opposing poles or global preconceptions regarding references of good and evil. There will be no more genuine criticism or dissent, no more actual praise or cult followings (in fact, they are already vanishing), but merely things said simply to mask the fact that everyone is indifferent and nothing matters.
Every single thing will be produced following a template, without ever arising from necessity and without ever ending in actual use.

That is truly a world without division or conflict, even on micro-levels like the film industry. Everything will simply be manufactured according to a code, much like the code used by the new generation of blockbuster makers—a mathematical code of exponential model growth.
dustywolf dustywolf Newcomer
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#74 ·
Richard Howard2, try not to be so apocalyptic. It’s quite simple: there are good movies and there are bad ones, just as there is good music and bad music. I am certain that quality films will continue to emerge in the coming years. Until then, I simply turn off the screen when I realize I'm watching garbage.😬
Richard Howard2 Richard Howard2 Active MemberOP
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#75 ·
I am honestly at a loss as to what kind of logic you are using to interpret my analysis on the evolution of societal thought and perception as being apocalyptic—or, at the very least, pessimistic...
dustywolf dustywolf Newcomer
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#76 ·
Richard Howard2 said:I have no idea how you can look at my analysis regarding the evolution of social thought and perception and conclude that I am being apocalyptic—or even just pessimistic...

Exactly. You’re just a postmodernist observing and describing things without actually taking a side. It’s essentially indifference. It's exhausting...

Look, man, if that's your stance, why bother with these movies at all? Would you prefer they didn't exist, or would you rather society were at a higher level, producing films that are actually intelligent and soulful?-😁
Jerry Martin19 Jerry Martin19 Regular
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#77 ·
Richard Howard2 said:The next generation—anyone born after, say, 2000—is going to be completely indifferent to any of this. They’ll basically be sponges, just soaking up whatever the current cultural code happens to be. There won't be any underlying system or set of principles to judge anything; everything will just be "good" by default, much like how there isn't a single bad product in an American commercial...

That's how it started, but we can't really predict where this is heading. (Obviously.)
I don't know if you guys ever caught Fahrenheit 451 (the movie based on the book I haven't actually read; 😢 it was on TV the other night; I've seen it a few times before 🥳). It deals with a similar vibe. Back then, people were terrified that TV would kill books, leading to this incredibly cold societal structure that's almost impossible to fight against. And that's pretty much what happened—not quite that extreme, but we're definitely heading down that path. TV effectively beat books to the punch. It shows what it should, but also all the junk it shouldn't, so the author kind of called it... We're sitting here debating whether this new wave of blockbusters will overshadow deep, quality cinema that wasn't just made for the paycheck. Honestly, I'm not too worried about our generation (like I said before). We'll always find some low-budget indie flick somewhere that's way more satisfying than the massive, overhyped studio releases...
I don't think we're looking at a total collapse because people will always pass along and champion stuff that actually matters.

Anyway, I'm rambling 🙂
northerncrane4 northerncrane4 Regular
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#78 ·
Jerry Martin19 said:Maybe I went a bit overboard 🙂

You said nothing at all. I'm sure Richard Howard2 will be proud of you.
Jerry Martin19 Jerry Martin19 Regular
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#79 ·
dustywolf said:Look, man, just tell me what’s actually bothering you about these movies. Would you rather they didn't exist at all, or would you prefer society was just on a different level—producing stuff that actually has some soul and intelligence?😁

Sorry for mixing up you two, but I think you totally misread him. It's not that he has an issue with "these" kinds of movies per se... he's just annoyed that they're constantly shoved in our faces. They get pushed on everyone when there are so many better, original films out there being ignored because of this garbage. He thinks everything's headed in the wrong direction, and honestly, I agree.

Am I wrong, Richard Howard2? 🙂
Let me know if I missed anything or if I need to write a whole novel to explain myself... 😁
Jerry Martin19 Jerry Martin19 Regular
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#80 ·
northerncrane4 said:Not exactly deep stuff. Jango will be proud of you...

really? 😢

and why didn't you say anything? 🧐

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