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Do vaccines actually work?

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Lisa Doyle Lisa Doyle Member
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joined May 2008
#21 ·
Olivia Clark22 said:I could bet you're wrong on that one, but whatever. It doesn't matter. At the end of the day, I have every right to refuse letting someone shove raw food down my kid's throat. And honestly? That's just the tip of the iceberg. We could go on forever about dental issues alone, but let's not get sidetracked.
Look, I’m no chemistry major. But unless you can actually prove to me that mercury—or even the aluminum found in those other types of dental fillings—isn't toxic to the human body, I’m sticking to my guns. Prove it. Show me the science. If you can do that, then fine, I'll admit I was wrong. I'll admit I was being stupid. I'll apologize. I won't bring it up again. But until then? I'm not budging.

Because of all the controversy surrounding dental amalgam, patients are constantly walking into my office with doubts and endless questions. It’s a sensitive topic, honestly. One of the most frequent concerns I hear involves pregnant women asking if the mercury in those fillings can actually pass on to their unborn baby.

Over the last decade, there have been countless studies conducted, yet NOT ONE single one has proven that dental amalgams cause any adverse effects on the human body—aside from those rare allergic reactions or hypersensitivities that anyone could develop to basically any foreign substance put into their system. Scientists tend to be cautious with their wording, though; they won't jump to conclusions, they just state the fact that no harmful effects have been proven regarding this silver and mercury dental alloy. Think about it. Research has been ongoing for over 20 years, yet these amalgams have been used in human mouths for more than 150 years, affecting millions of people. People tried to link them to Alzheimer's, but if that connection actually existed, wouldn't dentists and their assistants have been the first ones hit by "mercury vapors"? It’s just not the case.

In Canada, they suggest pregnant women steer clear of amalgam fillings until we get some more thorough research done. For now, studies indicate that mercury can pass from the mother to the baby, but the links are weak—nothing has actually shown any adverse effects that look like mercury poisoning. Is it worth the risk? Who knows.

Anti-amalgam activists love to claim that mercury is pure poison, but let’s be real—any pharmacist will tell you that dosage is everything. Mercury is only released in micro-doses. At the end of the day, patients are left with a choice: stick with amalgam, which is easily the second-best material we've ever found after gold (plus, it doesn't break the bank), or opt for composite fillings, which are way more expensive and definitely not budget-friendly.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that millions of people are suffering from mercury poisoning? Give me a break. Honestly, stop talking nonsense. Most patients have one major issue: they have zero clue how various factors actually impact dental materials because they only care about how their smile looks. I’ll bet my life that not even 10% of patients prioritize function over aesthetics, when in reality, functionality should always come before looks. Sure, we have modern materials that try to do both now, but since most of them are relatively new to the market, we’re still waiting to see if they actually hold up better than old-school amalgam, which proved to be absolutely fantastic when it comes to pure durability. If you can point to a single person who has been proven to suffer from mercury poisoning specifically because of a dental filling, then I’ll personally hang up my scrubs and leave dentistry for good. Look, obviously mercury is toxic to the body... but we are talking about DOSES here! A kid is going to gulp down liters of Coca-Cola, probably smoke, drink coffee—and you’re really going to harass this forum over amalgam? Grow up. Because if your next move is to claim that "my child would never touch that crap or smoke," then maybe you shouldn't have kids, because they definitely deserve better than your glass bell mentality. I’m dying to see how you plan to walk into a dentist's office and lecture them on how to do their job and what to put in your child's mouth while that child is screaming in pain in the chair, just wanting their tooth fixed. If you tried that, I’d kick you out of my clinic myself.
What kind of moronic links are these? Holistic medicine?? So, according to this, health problems are caused by "blocked energy" on a mental, emotional, or physical level... Are you kidding me? What am I supposed to believe, that I have a cavity because my energy flow is off?
Amalgam org... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It says 1926 right there!!! Seriously! Has your understanding of biomedicine and dentistry just stayed frozen in time since then?
If you’re going to insist on throwing the first random links you stumble upon online at me, at least try to find something actually worth reading—something published by top-tier medical journals instead of some anti-globalist blog or whatever nonsense else. At this rate, you'll probably end up sending me a link to Greenpeace next!
Laura Walker6 Laura Walker6 Member
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joined Jul 2006
#22 ·
Kimberly Davis52 said:Aha. So how do you explain why someone with a weak immune system gets infected when exposed to a virus, but someone else with a weak immune system who isn't exposed won't—if viruses aren't actually the cause?😵

I honestly never thought I'd live to see the day where someone tries to convince me that microorganisms aren't the cause of disease. Good grief.

😘 Look, microorganisms are causes... if you're just looking at the surface level... but the *real* reason they managed to attack you in the first place is because your body was clearly too weak to fight off the invasion..🙂
So, the actual root cause of all diseases—aside from the ones you inherit genetically—is acidosis. Basically, chronic acidity in the body. A truly healthy organism simply isn't in a state of acidosis. If you want to stay healthy, you have to alkalize yourself, which means detoxing... THERE.
Modern medicine just focuses on treating symptoms. Take a person with a cough, for example. That's a symptom of some undefined illness (which is basically acidosis), and the doctor prescribes three different medicines *against* the cough. The coughing stops, and the person thinks they're cured. Then, two weeks later, they have a sore throat... Was that person actually cured by those three medicines? No. The real cause remained exactly the same; the imbalance just manifested itself in a different way...😉 instead of the person COUGHING OUT the toxins that were bothering the body, and that's that. The body just needs to be allowed to release the toxins. It has this perfect self-healing mechanism; you just have to let it work! You shouldn't be filling it back up with new toxins through these modern drugs that seem to have more side effects than actual benefits nowadays..
Megan Reed Megan Reed Active Member
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joined Sep 2005
#23 ·
So, I could basically just walk into my biology lecture and tell the professor I’m opting out of microbiology and parasitology entirely, because honestly, those subjects have absolutely zero relevance to actual diseases. 🥳 🙏
Laura Walker6 Laura Walker6 Member
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joined Jul 2006
#24 ·
melloweagle11 said:As long as doctors just prescribe an antibiotic for some inflammation—like bronchitis, for example—and then when that doesn't work, they just throw another one at you hoping for the best? Yeah, modern medicine is a total joke.
Once we actually get to a point where medicine can pinpoint the exact issue, find the root cause, and then tailor a treatment specifically for that, we'll be talking about something else entirely.

👍 But what's your take on those actual underlying causes of disease...
Megan Reed Megan Reed Active Member
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joined Sep 2005
#25 ·
Laura Walker6 said:Sure, people love to point fingers at microorganisms as the culprits when they're just looking at the surface level of things. But if you really dig into it, those bugs are only able to take hold because your body's defenses have become too weak to repel an invasion.🙂

Oh, so you think you're some kind of health guru now, huh? 😍 I could just inject HIV directly into your system if I felt like it. 😍 And you'll probably end up lecturing us on some obscure, incredibly tedious immune cell that even most scientists haven't bothered to memorize. 😍 What exactly isn't going to stop you from getting infected? 😍

So, let me get this straight: if my immune system is running low, the HIV virus is just going to spontaneously manifest out of thin air right next to me and launch an immediate assault, but otherwise, it would just completely bypass me? That's the logic we're working with here? 😍

I don't know about you, but I spend my time staring at microorganisms through a microscope. 😍

Absolutely brilliant. 😍 Go sign up for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology right now. 😍

Clap.
Laura Walker6 Laura Walker6 Member
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joined Jul 2006
#26 ·
Megan Reed said:I mean, I could honestly just skip microbiology and parasitology at university if I wanted to, because honestly, those topics have absolutely nothing to do with actual diseases.🥳 🙏

Medicine? Molecular biology? What exactly are we studying here...? Look, modern medicine has basically evolved to just treat symptoms. And sure, sometimes it works. For some people. But then you have folks who act like they don't care about anything, living life however they want, and then the moment things go south, they come running to those "brilliant" doctors—expecting some little pill to fix everything instantly, like they'll be brand new in two days... well, it doesn't work quite that way, does it?😬
The real reason someone gets sick can be something else entirely... You know what hypochondriacs are? You know how people can actually start feeling ill just because they convinced themselves they were? And then the next day, they're genuinely sick. So, what now? How on earth do you explain that?
Megan Reed Megan Reed Active Member
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joined Sep 2005
#27 ·
Look, there’s a massive difference between arguing that modern medicine mostly just masks symptoms rather than tackling the root cause, and going off the deep end by claiming things like viruses don't actually cause disease.
Megan Reed Megan Reed Active Member
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joined Sep 2005
#28 ·
Laura Walker6 said:Do you actually understand what hypochondriacs are? You know how those types of people can practically manifest an illness just through pure autosuggestion... and then boom, they're actually sick the next day. So, what's your take on that? How do you explain it?

Psychiatrists exist specifically to handle mental health issues.

And no, I don't buy into this idea that there's some kind of virus that causes hypochondria.😬
Laura Walker6 Laura Walker6 Member
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joined Jul 2006
#29 ·
Megan Reed said:so, you're saying if I'm like, perfectly healthy 😍 then I could just inject an HIV virus into my body 😍 and somehow I have these super secret, unknown-to-science immune cells 😍 that will just prevent me from getting infected? 😍

** so basically, if I have a weak immune system, the HIV virus will just materialize out of thin air right next to me and attack immediately, but otherwise, it would just bypass me, right? 😍

*well, I don't know about you, but we actually look at microorganisms under a microscope. 😍

fantastic. 😍 go ahead and apply for a Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology right now. 😍

👏


you guys created HIV under a microscope anyway. so why don't you just pull some HIV out of a lab and then use your microscope to make a cure for it...😬
Michio Kushi used macrobiotics to treat HIV infections. and everyone was doing fine, and most of them are still living today. except for two people who went on vacation and ate ice cream and tropical fruit and died within two days. he boosted their immunity so much that even though they had HIV inside them, they felt and looked and functioned like completely normal, healthy people!!
Megan Reed Megan Reed Active Member
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joined Sep 2005
#30 ·
By that logic, viruses wouldn't be responsible for causing cancer either.

But they absolutely are.
Laura Walker6 Laura Walker6 Member
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joined Jul 2006
#31 ·
Megan Reed said:Look, there’s a massive difference between saying modern medicine just treats symptoms instead of digging for the actual cause, and going off the deep end by claiming viruses don't even cause illness in the first place.

The real root issue? It's acidosis. The virus is just secondary. To me, having a virus in your system is basically just a signal—a symptom—telling you that your body isn't functioning at its best...
Megan Reed Megan Reed Active Member
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joined Sep 2005
#32 ·
Look, there’s still a glimmer of hope here. Maybe one day you’ll actually sit down and listen to an introductory molecular biology lecture. 😉
Laura Walker6 Laura Walker6 Member
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joined Jul 2006
#33 ·
Megan Reed said:So, if we’re following your logic, I guess that means viruses that cause cancer don't even exist? Is that really where we're headed here?

But they still exist. They really do.

Oh, they definitely exist... I know that much! But look, people like that don't go after athletes, vegetarians, or anyone else who isn't dealing with acidosis.
Laura Walker6 Laura Walker6 Member
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joined Jul 2006
#34 ·
Megan Reed said:Nah, look, there’s still hope. Maybe one day you'll actually sit through a "Molecular Biology for Dummies" lecture or something. 😉

So, what's it actually like studying molecular biology? I mean, that was totally on the table for me back when I was deciding on a major... but I've always leaned toward the alternative route. Still, it's pretty fascinating, isn't it? 😉
Andrew Anderson6 Andrew Anderson6 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#35 ·
Laura Walker6 said:... except for those two people who went on vacation, ate some ice cream and tropical fruit, and kicked the bucket two days later....

Laura Walker6 said:... he boosted their immunity so much that they...

died from ice cream and tropical fruit 🙄 🤣 🤣 (and only took two days, too)

😍 damn, what kind of immunity is that? 🤣
Megan Reed Megan Reed Active Member
170 messages
joined Sep 2005
#36 ·
I'm not out here studying molecular biology. 😉
Megan Reed Megan Reed Active Member
170 messages
joined Sep 2005
#37 ·
Elizabeth Alvarez13 said:dying from ice cream and tropical fruit

Look, if I ever found myself in some left-wing Asian country, I wouldn't even trust their tap water! 😬 🤣
Laura Walker6 Laura Walker6 Member
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joined Jul 2006
#38 ·
Elizabeth Alvarez13 said:they basically died from eating too much ice cream and tropical fruit 🙄 🤣 🤣 (and that was only two days later)

😍 Man, what kind of immune system is that? 🤣

I mean, seriously. But look, their immune systems were actually rock solid because they were following macrobiotics. Once they stopped living that way, everything just fell apart. Do you really need more proof of how much lifestyle matters for your health? And keep in mind, even with HIV, they weren't even touching any medication—and we all know how much stuff people usually have to take when they're dealing with that...
Laura Walker6 Laura Walker6 Member
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joined Jul 2006
#39 ·
Megan Reed said:Look, if I ever ended up in some far-off Asian country, I wouldn't even touch the water there! 😬 🤣

But honestly? It isn't even about where the stuff comes from. I mean, maybe things actually grow better over in Asia—natural, organic, without all the pesticides, GMOs, and other capitalist garbage we deal with here.
Edward Green Edward Green Regular
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joined Sep 2008
#40 ·
Laura Walker6 said:Oh, they definitely exist... I know it. But those types don't go after athletes, vegetarians, or anyone else who isn't stuck in acidosis.

So, you're saying vegetarians and athletes are immune to HPV?

That's one hell of a theory.

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