Natural remedies for the flu and boosting immunity

placidfox55 said:LOL... that’s like saying we’re talking about a hundred pounds of iron. It doesn't matter if a hunk of metal falls on your head from a church steeple or if it's just sitting on the tracks under your feet, it’s still a hundred pounds of iron touching your body. 😂

Wait, what? Where even are you coming from there? That comparison has absolutely nothing to do with what I actually wrote, let alone how the body actually processes carbohydrates... Honestly, it feels more like a lack of understanding basic physiology mixed with way too much time spent skimming random articles on Wikipedia or some half-baked wellness blogs instead of actual peer-reviewed science. Though, I guess that analogy does fit perfectly with the level of expertise you're bringing to the table here...😉
Just kidding, Steve, don't get your feelings hurt.👋

driftinggull13 said:You’re absolutely right—it’s more of a philosophy than anything else, so there’s no need to go hunting for some rigorous scientific proof here. Your take on what foods help or hinder the flu seems to be based more on wishful thinking than hard science, just "for the record." I’m not looking for an argument, but let's just set the record straight.

The actual science dealing with nutrition and wellness is called nutritional science—which is quite different from that "traditional" medicine you’re referring to 😉—and this field is finally gaining mainstream recognition. It's actually starting to set new standards that many sensible people are finally beginning to embrace. 🙂

placidfox55 said:It’s night and day... Seriously, the difference is massive!

5) Glucose from whole grains is released much more slowly; you don't get that sudden cellular dehydration because the glucose is released steadily, providing just enough energy to sustain normal activity until the next (whole grain) meal.

I couldn't agree more. 👍

deatwin said:What I’ve been outlining is how I personally try to bolster Mark's immune system—basically by stripping away everything that breaks it down. And no, I didn't just pull this information out of thin air; I’ve learned this through textbooks, literature, specialized courses... conversations with doctors, keeping track of what helps him versus what hurts him... essentially monitoring his health for eleven years now.
And when it comes to applying what I've learned—the results speak for themselves.

Yes, my son only took antibiotics once. That was the one time he wasn't able to fight off a bacterial infection on his own.
For everything else, we managed to handle things through diet, herbal teas... staying home and resting...
If I had handed him medication every single time he felt under the weather, I honestly don't know what his kidneys or liver would look like today...

I decided to approach his health from a completely different angle.
And those "alternative" methods are exactly what this thread is about, so I intend to list them. Everything from dietary choices and why certain teas work, to why I use specific inhalations, which essential oils are best, why cabbage can help the lungs, and even why I don't always bring a fever down, nor under what conditions I might...

So, I don't really need explanations or clarifications. I’ll share my own findings whenever I have the time and inclination, and you all can interpret them however you like.

When you flood the body with massive amounts of sugar, you aren't getting any nutrients—other than calories. It puts a huge strain on the liver and the pancreas... plus, refined sugar actually feeds the very bacteria that deplete our B vitamins.
That "sugar rush" our bodies experience from consuming standard industrial sugar requires a massive amount of acid to neutralize... and that overproduction of acid then forces the body to urgently pull minerals from its own reserves to balance things out.

Industrial fruit juices, sodas—they're just liquid sugar.
And so on...

Finally, some healthy thinking on this forum. 🙏 🙏🙏
Honestly, you hit the nail right on the head—I’m with you one hundred percent on this, and you've got my full support. 👍

Angela Kelly said:Honestly, this constant blathering from so-called "experts" is getting old—really, it’s becoming a chore to sit through. Why don't you all just go find somewhere else to be entertained? Somewhere else where that vast, overflowing reservoir of knowledge might actually be useful... I don't know, maybe at a local community college or something. So, I was sitting there thinking about the whole mess involving avian flu—you know, that whole nightmare scenario where everything from poultry farms to backyard coops starts going sideways—and it got me wondering: how exactly does one go about developing a vaccine for bird flu? It’s not like you just whip up a batch in your kitchen between making sourdough and checking the mail. It’s this incredibly complex, high-stakes scientific marathon. You’ve got to identify the specific strain—because, let’s face it, these viruses are constantly shifting their masks—and then you move into the grueling process of isolating those antigens. Then comes the heavy lifting: growing the virus in specialized environments, like embryonated chicken eggs (which sounds much more clinical than it actually is), or using cell cultures to scale things up. And don't even get me started on the regulatory side of things. Once you think you've actually got something that works, you have to jump through a million hoops with the FDA and the CDC to prove it won't cause more problems than it solves. It’s a massive, expensive, and frankly exhausting undertaking. It makes you realize just how much work goes into keeping our food supply from turning into a total disaster zone. Just a thought while I was staring at my breakfast this morning. ...or maybe just some other medications that actually work well enough to cut down the need for those "alternative" remedies. I’m starting this thread because, frankly, it feels like the big pharma companies haven't quite nailed the chemistry on drugs that can handle these newer, weird flu strains—not to mention the stuff we deal with daily, like arthritis or fibromyalgia. It’s frustrating, really—you're looking for relief, but the standard options often feel like they were formulated for a completely different era.
Oh, please... since you all consider yourselves such absolute geniuses—if you're actually going to sit there and act like you have all the answers—why don't you go ahead and find us an actual solution for these diseases? Just do it. Seriously.😁
Well, when that day finally rolls around, I guess we’ll just have to fight the only way we know how—with whatever tools we can scrap together.

I have to give you credit—you’ve hit the nail right on the head regarding how most people communicate on this forum. It’s mostly just aimless bickering—people circling the drain, picking fights over nothing—and instead of actually driving a conversation toward some kind of meaningful conclusion or actual insight, they just clutter up the threads with noise. It's all clutter and no substance.

deatwin said:The real issue here—and I think we need to look at this more closely—is the sheer volume hitting your system all at once. It’s all about that absorption rate. With standard table sugar, you're essentially looking at a massive spike of glucose flooding your bloodstream in one single, overwhelming wave. Your body isn't designed for that kind of sudden ambush. Naturally, the body tries to react to that surge, and well... you can guess the fallout from there. It’s like trying to drink an entire gallon of water in ten seconds instead of sipping it—your system just wasn't built for that kind of chaos.

Exactly—maybe someone around here will actually take a hint and learn something along the way. 😉 🙂

rustymoose54 said:Look, for heaven's sake—preventing the flu and "managing" autoimmune diseases have absolutely zero correlation. It’s just not how biology works. Why won't you just admit you were completely off base on this one?

I’m telling you—there absolutely is!

Look, if we’re being honest with ourselves—and I think we should be—immunity is really the bedrock of everything when it comes to staying healthy. It’s the absolute prerequisite for keeping most illnesses at bay. And where does that immunity actually come from? It all boils down to what you put on your plate—the sheer quality of the nutrients you're feeding your system. Think of it this way: food is essentially just raw material. Now, that material can be top-tier or it can be total junk. If you're fueling up on low-grade stuff, your body is going to struggle—it simply won't have the right tools to extract the essential nutrients it needs to do its job. When the quality is there, though, your body can actually perform that vital work of regenerating cells and building up those defenses to shield itself from whatever sickness comes knocking. But if the "building materials" are subpar? Well, then you're basically trying to build a skyscraper out of cardboard, and we all know how that ends.

So, here’s the deal with autoimmune diseases—they basically happen when your immune system decides to go rogue and starts throwing hands at things that actually belong in your body, like your own tissues or healthy organisms. It’s essentially an overreaction where your internal defense force mistakes "self" for "enemy." Today, we’re looking at more than 40 different conditions classified as either definitely or probably autoimmune—which, if you do the math, means about 5% to 7% of the entire global population is dealing with this mess right now. And the kicker? Almost all of them just show up out of nowhere. No warning shots, no clear red flags, no obvious reason why your body suddenly decides to declare war on itself. Just... boom. Out of the blue.

If you don't bother figuring out the root cause, the consequences are eventually going to wear you down—and trust me, they’ll do it relentlessly. It’s like when I was trying to fix that old radiator in my garage last winter; I kept just topping off the water, thinking I was solving the problem, while ignoring the fact that the whole unit was corroded through. Eventually, the whole thing gave out right in the middle of a blizzard, leaving me shivering and cursing my own shortsightedness. You can try to outrun the symptoms all you want, but if you aren't addressing what's actually broken at the source, life has a funny way of catching up to you—usually at the most inconvenient moment possible.
The root cause? It really comes down to a lack of actual nutrients—or more specifically, a complete mess of a nutrient ratio—especially when you consider how much the nutritional density of our food has plummeted lately. Honestly, most of what we’re finding on grocery store shelves these days...Even the fruits and veggies—I mean, seriously, everything from the produce aisle to the pantry staples.And let’s be honest—this skyrocketing reliance on pharmaceuticals is just becoming an everyday reality at this point. It feels like every single day, there's some new pill or prescription being pushed as the ultimate fix for everything under the sun. Honestly, it's getting a bit ridiculous, isn't it? I was reading this article the other day—well, more like a long-winded op-ed, really—about how we're increasingly looking to a bottle rather than, you know, actual lifestyle shifts, and it really hit home. We've become a society that wants the quick fix, the instant gratification, the "magic pill" that solves all our problems without us having to lift a finger—or even change our diet. It’s a cycle, really—a constant loop of symptom management rather than actually addressing why the symptoms are there in the first place. It’s a slippery slope, and frankly, it’s a little unsettling to watch. It feels like everyone I talk to lately is dealing with some new, nagging health issue—it’s getting to be a bit much, isn't it? Honestly, I was sitting in my doctor's office last week—just one of those routine check-ups that turns into a whole ordeal—and looking around the waiting room, it felt like a revolving door of people clutching heating pads or squinting through headaches. It’s almost becoming the new normal. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a cynic, but there's a palpable sense that our collective wellness is just... sliding. Whether it's the stress of the current economy—which, let's face it, is a nightmare—or just the general chaos of modern life, it seems like our bodies are finally throwing up their hands and saying, "That's it, we're done." My neighbor, who usually runs marathons like it's nothing, was complaining about chronic inflammation just the other day—just a random Tuesday conversation over the fence. It makes you wonder if we're all just collectively running on empty. Is it the food? The sleep deprivation? Or are we all just vibrating at a frequency of pure anxiety? Hard to say, but the trend is definitely there..

So, let's talk about those pesky little conditions that pop up more often than you'd think—specifically the ones where your own immune system decides to go rogue and start picking fights with your own body. It’s a bit like having a security team that suddenly decides the homeowner is actually an intruder—a little chaotic, wouldn't you say? Anyway, some of the most common autoimmune disorders we see floating around include:
Multiple sclerosis—it’s one of those heavy, complicated diagnoses that really forces you to sit still and actually process what life is about to look like. It isn’t just some textbook definition or a list of symptoms you read about on a Mayo Clinic webpage; it’s this unpredictable, shifting reality that hits you when you least expect it. One day you feel relatively fine—maybe just a bit more fatigued than usual after a long shift at work—and the next, your body decides to play by its own set of rules entirely. It’s frustrating, honestly. You try to plan your week, maybe grab a coffee in downtown Chicago or head out for a hike, and then suddenly your nerves decide to send some very confusing signals to your brain. It’s like trying to drive a car where the steering wheel occasionally loses its connection to the wheels—terrifying, disorienting, and deeply unfair. I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how much of this journey is about managing the things you *can* control versus coming to terms with the stuff you can't. You learn to navigate the doctors, the endless rounds of scans, and the various medications—some of which feel like they have more side effects than actual benefits—all while trying to maintain a sense of normalcy. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, though sometimes it feels more like an obstacle course designed by someone who really hates runners. But you keep moving, you find your rhythm, and you learn to appreciate the quiet, steady days when the symptoms decide to take a backseat.
Inflammatory Bowel Disease—specifically Crohn’s and Ulcerative Colitis—is one of those topics that people rarely want to bring up at a dinner party, yet it’s an absolute beast of a reality for so many Americans. It isn't just "having a sensitive stomach," if you can believe how casually some people toss that phrase around; we are talking about serious, systemic inflammation that essentially turns your own immune system against your digestive tract. It’s a bit like having a glitch in your body's internal security software—where the system starts flagging healthy tissue as a foreign invader and begins a relentless, misguided attack. With Crohn’s, that inflammation can strike anywhere from the mouth down to the very end of the GI tract—it's unpredictable, patchy, and honestly, quite exhausting to manage. Then you have Ulcerative Colitis, which is more localized to the large intestine, but don't let that simplicity fool you; it's just as grueling. I remember talking to a friend of mine—let's call him Steve—who dealt with this for years. He’d be mid-sentence during a baseball game, looking perfectly fine, and then suddenly he'd have to bolt for the restroom because his body decided it was time for a crisis. It’s a constant, invisible struggle. You’re navigating doctor appointments, adjusting diets that feel more like punishment than nutrition, and trying to maintain a semblance of normalcy while your gut is basically staging a full-scale revolt. It's a heavy lift, both physically and mentally, and it deserves way more empathy than it usually gets in polite conversation.
So, I was reading up on diabetes mellitus the other day—and yes, I know, "mellitus" sounds like something out of a Victorian medical journal, but here we are—and it really got me thinking about how much our modern lifestyle is basically a slow-motion collision course with metabolic dysfunction. It’s one of those things that people tend to brush off as just "high blood sugar," but when you actually peel back the layers, it's this incredibly complex, systemic struggle between insulin, glucose, and the sheer chaos of what we put in our bodies. It’s funny, actually—I remember my uncle used to swear by these "miracle" sugar substitutes that turned out to be nothing more than glorified chalk, which is a classic American cautionary tale if I ever heard one. We have this incredible access to everything, everywhere, all at once, especially when it comes to processed junk, and then we act surprised when our pancreas decides to go on strike. Whether it's Type 1, where the body basically stages a coup against its own insulin production, or Type 2, which feels like a gradual breakdown of communication between cells and insulin—it’s a heavy subject. It’s not just a diagnosis; it’s a total restructuring of how you have to exist in the world. You start looking at a bagel not as breakfast, but as a ticking time bomb. It’s a lot to process, honestly—a lot more than most people realize until they're staring down a pharmacy counter.
Psoriasis. Honestly, where do we even start with that one? It’s not just some minor skin irritation you can slap a bit of lotion on and call it a day—it’s this relentless, full-blown systemic nuisance that decides to make itself at home on your body without so much as a "hello." I was reading this study the other day—well, skimming it between coffee refills—about how much of an inflammatory beast this thing actually is. It’s not just about the visible patches, though god knows those are enough to make anyone want to hide under a heavy sweater even in the middle of a humid July in Atlanta. No, it’s the whole internal chaos that comes with it. It’s like your immune system has suddenly decided to go rogue, throwing a massive, uninvited party inside your cells and leaving a mess everywhere. I remember talking to a buddy of mine—let's call him Steve—who dealt with it for years. He tried everything from those high-end creams you see in commercials to the most extreme lifestyle overhauls. It’s exhausting, really. You spend half your life researching ingredients and the other half wondering why your own biology is acting like a disgruntled employee on a Monday morning. It’s a constant balancing act, isn't it? Trying to manage the flare-ups while navigating the sheer mental fatigue of it all. Just one of those things where you realize how much we take for granted when our bodies are actually behaving themselves.
Rheumatoid arthritis—it’s one of those conditions that really keeps you on your toes, though I suppose "on your toes" might be an optimistic way to put it when your joints are feeling like they’ve been filled with crushed glass and rusted nails. It isn't just about a bit of stiffness after a long day at the office; it’s this relentless, systemic struggle where your own immune system decides to stage a full-scale coup against your joints. It’s quite a strange thing, really—the body essentially turning inward. You find yourself staring at your hands in the morning, wondering why they feel more like stiff pieces of driftwood than actual human appendages. And then there's the fatigue—not just "I stayed up too late watching Netflix" tired, but that deep, soul-crushing exhaustion that makes even the simplest tasks feel like you're trying to trek through knee-deep mud in a Florida swamp. The medical side of things is a whole other rabbit hole. Between the biologics, the traditional DMARDs, and the endless dance of adjusting dosages, it feels like you're constantly negotiating a peace treaty with your own biology. Every doctor seems to have a different theory—one specialist treats it like a localized skirmish, while another views it as an all-out war. Honestly, it's enough to make anyone want to retreat to a quiet cabin in the Rockies and forget the whole mess exists. But, as we all know, life doesn't exactly offer an easy exit strategy.
Hypothyroidism—specifically Hashimoto’s—is one of those things that sounds relatively straightforward until you’re actually living through it. It’s not just "feeling a bit tired"; it’s like someone quietly turned down the thermostat on your entire existence while simultaneously draining your battery. I remember talking to a friend of mine—let's call him Steve—who spent months thinking he was just getting old or perhaps losing his mind because his brain felt like it was encased in thick, gray fog. It turns out, his thyroid was basically staging a slow-motion strike against his system. When your thyroid decides to stop cooperating, everything slows down. Your metabolism? Sluggish. Your energy? Nonexistent. Even your skin starts acting like it’s perpetually stuck in a dry winter in Chicago. It’s a strange, frustrating cycle—dealing with doctors who sometimes treat it like a minor inconvenience when, in reality, it dictates how much coffee you need just to stand up in the morning. It’s an autoimmune battle, plain and simple. Your own body essentially decides that your thyroid is public enemy number one, and then you're left trying to balance hormones, diet, and sleep just to feel even remotely human again. It's a lot to manage, and honestly, it's exhausting.
Lupus—specifically Systemic Lupus Erythematosus (SLE), if we’re being all technical about it—is one of those conditions that really tests your patience, isn't it? It’s less like a straightforward illness and more like a chaotic, unpredictable roommate who moves in without asking and then decides to rearrange your entire internal biology just because they’re bored. The whole thing is essentially an autoimmune glitch—your immune system, which is supposed to be your personal security detail, suddenly loses its mind and starts treating your own healthy tissues like they're unwanted intruders. It’s a bit like if the Secret Service decided that instead of protecting the President, they should start aggressively tackling the landscaping crew. It’s confusing, it's exhausting, and quite frankly, it's a lot to deal with. Because it can hit almost any part of the body—joints, skin, kidneys, even the heart—it’s notoriously difficult to pin down. One day you might feel relatively okay, and the next, you're dealing with a flare-up that makes you feel like you've been run over by a freight train. I remember talking to a friend of mine back in Chicago—let's call him Steve—who deals with this, and he used to say that managing lupus is basically a full-time job that pays absolutely nothing in benefits. And he wasn't wrong. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, though sometimes it feels more like navigating a maze where the walls keep moving. But, as much as it sucks, staying informed and working closely with specialists is the only way to stay ahead of the curve.

Listen, when it comes to all these various ailments people struggle with, I’m not just talking theory—I have actual, living proof. I know people firsthand who completely overhauled their health by focusing on balanced cellular nutrition, and honestly? They’ve moved past those nagging health issues entirely. It’s not just some textbook idea; it’s happened in real life.

rustymoose54 said:What’s even the point of pouring over academic papers when you haven't even grasped the fundamentals? Look, I’m not trying to be condescending—really, it's not a crime to be in the dark—it's just that you lack the necessary background because, well, you spend your life focusing on entirely different things. But that’s exactly why schools and universities exist in the first place, isn't it?

You don't actually need a fancy degree to grasp basic logic—honestly, a diploma is often just a piece of paper you can acquire through sheer mindless grinding (or, let’s be real, by cutting a check if you have enough cash lying around). If someone is actually literate and possesses even a shred of intelligence, they shouldn't find it particularly taxing to connect the dots and reach their own conclusions without needing a professor to hold their hand through every single step.

I’ve got to say—and I mean this with all the sincerity I can muster—I’m seriously worried that you’re heading down a bit of a dead end if you think doubling down on your education is actually going to get you where you want to go. It’s one of those things, isn't it? You think more schooling equals more progress—sort of like thinking a bigger engine automatically makes a car faster without checking the transmission first—but sometimes, you just end up spinning your wheels in the same spot. I've seen people spend a fortune on degrees only to realize they were studying for a world that doesn't exist anymore. Just a thought. 😉

Angela Kelly said:Look, my job has absolutely nothing to do with medicine—not even close—but since when does that stop anyone from digging into these ideas? Honestly, I feel like this kind of deep dive is something every single person should be doing. It’s just common sense at this point.

My logic—if you can even call it that, though I stand by it—is pretty straightforward: if a person’s immune system is already being hammered by things like arthritis, severe asthma, debilitating eczema, or fibromyalgia, then they’re essentially starting from a deficit. It’s like trying to run a marathon when you’ve already got a broken leg; you're just asking for trouble. So, naturally, if that same person is suddenly exposed to other illnesses, their body isn't going to have that extra gear needed to fight back. It's just basic math, really—one more thing on an already overflowing plate.

That’s really the whole point of what I’m trying to do here—it's about encouraging everyone to actually use their own heads for once, you know? Based on the information swirling around us... if we can all just take a second to process things independently instead of just swallowing whatever comes our way.
Back when people were convinced the Earth was just one giant, flat pancake—honestly, can you imagine the sheer confidence required to hold that belief?—they weren't just wrong; they were living in a completely different reality. They wouldn't have ever sniffed out their own massive blunder unless someone decided to flip the script and start thinking outside the box. It’s the same story every single time, really. So many "absolute truths" we cling to today will eventually be tossed into the scrap heap the second some new data comes to light, making way for a whole new set of "facts." It’s a cycle—an endless, swirling loop—and frankly, I think it'll stay that way as long as humans have this restless, nagging urge to push boundaries and figure out what else is hiding in the dark. Progress is messy like that.
Nutrition isn't just some fad diet or a collection of buzzwords—it’s a legitimate science that keeps tearing down outdated theories and replacing them with entirely new standards. It’s fascinating, really—how many old-school "rules" we used to follow are being debunked by modern research every single day. We're seeing these nutritional breakthroughs gain serious traction within mainstream medical circles in the US, moving from the fringes of wellness culture straight into the heart of clinical discussions. It's a constant evolution, honestly—one where what we thought was "common sense" yesterday is often proven wrong by a peer-reviewed study today.

There is one absolute, undeniable truth that just stands up to any amount of scrutiny—it’s simply non-negotiable. The results—I mean, we’re talking about actual living, breathing people here (real witnesses)—and the lived experiences they bring to the table that back all of this up.It’s not like things are any different here in the States—I personally know a ton of people who have been burned by this firsthand.

rustymoose54 said:Look, let’s get one thing straight—if you’re dealing with a chronic condition, especially those nasty autoimmune issues where your own body decides to go rogue, you really need to take the flu shot seriously. It isn't just about a little sniffle or a scratchy throat—for people in your position, catching the flu can turn a manageable situation into an absolute nightmare by triggering a massive flare-up of whatever primary illness you're already battling. It's that simple. I mean, why invite a wildfire into a house that's already struggling with a plumbing leak? It just doesn't make sense. Taking the precaution is just common sense if you want to keep things stable. 😉 )

It’s only logical!!!
Viruses don't just pick targets at random—they go straight for the cells that have zero defenses left. We’re talking about systems where everything is completely out of whack because of a massive nutritional imbalance. When you aren't getting the right nutrients or enough antioxidants to protect your cellular integrity, your immune system basically loses its edge. It's all connected, really—that internal equilibrium is what gives the body its actual power to fend off external threats like free radicals, viruses, or bacteria on its own. I'm talking about true, biological self-reliance—the ability to defend itself without having to lean on drugs or vaccines to do the heavy lifting.

Angela Kelly said:I honestly think stress is the absolute biggest threat to our immune systems...

Spot on—but man, people just don't grasp how deeply stress and nutrition are intertwined. Whenever I try to explain that eating well is actually a massive part of stress prevention, I usually get this blank, judgmental stare. 🙄

It’s common knowledge that high-level stress can trigger health issues seemingly "overnight"—think things like diabetes or psoriasis—but most folks have no clue why that happens.
The thing is, intense stress triggers these rapid-fire physiological responses, which basically burns through your body's supply of vitamins and minerals at an accelerated rate (leaving your immune system totally exposed). And since most of us aren't getting nearly enough micronutrients from our modern diet anyway, we simply lack the "defensive supplies" needed to prevent those weak links in our biology from snapping under pressure.

Angela Kelly said:I was mostly living on fast food and basically running a constant "rat race" fueled by stress and rushing around...
That lifestyle definitely took its toll on my health—since it wasn't the way I lived for all those years before... they almost diagnosed me with arthritis, my thyroid antibodies went haywire (even though my thyroid had always been fine), and my white blood cell count was all over the place...
But after two months of peace, quiet... and some actual home-cooked meals... all of that vanished. No more issues at all (knock on wood).

That makes perfect sense and is completely understandable. 🙂
It’s a shame we don't see more success stories like this here—though maybe people are hesitant to try and convince the "skeptics" that it's actually possible.

rustymoose54 said:If someone says something publicly that I know isn't true, I'm going to speak up. Sorry if you take that personally, but that's your issue.

The problem is, your reactions aren't always rooted in hard facts or actual knowledge—they're often based on what's just "widely accepted," and that becomes a real issue for the whole forum because it derails the entire conversation.

What I'm trying to say is that just because something doesn't align with what you currently know doesn't mean everyone else is wrong; it might just mean you're missing some pieces of the puzzle that others have found. Instead of letting that curiosity drive you to learn more, you tend to go straight into defensive mode, digging in your heels and attacking other people's perspectives. It's honestly pretty unnecessary.

frozenlynx33 said:

McGregor equals a Hummer—looks like frozenlynx33 is finally back! Cheers to the local construction crew! Give it a few more posts and they'll probably start selling cheap beer on the side. Is business hitting a rough patch? 😁

A little something regarding science and nutrition...
Back when I was a teenager, my skin was a total disaster zone—just covered in breakouts. I went to see doctors who all kept telling me the exact same thing: "It’s fine, don't worry about it." And I just looked at them and said, "Look, you go walk down the street looking like this and then come back and tell me it's perfectly okay." 😠

Anyway... after trying everything under the sun, I eventually stumbled upon black radish, and after years of struggling, everything cleared up in just a few weeks.
How?

I tried to wrap my head around it, and here is my layman's take on what happened:
The human body produces certain types of fats to keep the sebaceous glands running... but if the system isn't getting enough amino acids or specific vitamins—I don't even know the names anymore—it ends up creating a lower-quality version. It’s like a cheaper substitute that requires more volume to work.
And since you need more of it, it just builds up and eventually clogs your pores. Then the bacteria move in, you get inflammation, and before you know it, you're dealing with lymphatic issues and whatnot... etc., etc.

Now, look, I respect science and I value being methodical...
But honestly, it’s kind of embarrassing when an old lady at a farmer's market helps me more than some MD ever could.

Taroth said:Look, don't get me wrong—I have nothing but respect for hard science and rigorous methodology...
but honestly? It feels a bit embarrassing if a lady at a local Farmer's Market gives me more relief than some MD ever could.

Here’s my take: someone actually has to study that radish. You'd need to pinpoint the exact molecule within the vegetable that prevents pore clogging or those pesky skin irritations. To pull that off, you need a full-scale lab, high-end equipment, specialized staff... basically, you need massive research funding. Once you finally identify what's working against the irritation, you publish the paper. But here's the kicker—you can't patent a damn radish! You can't monetize it, which means you can't recoup the millions spent on the initial study. So, finding a sponsor to bankroll that kind of digging? That's a tall order.

That’s just my theory on why these "old-school remedies" never get the clinical spotlight they deserve. 😁 Personally, I'll take a herbal tea over a pill any day of the week—it's a shame how all that ancient botanical wisdom is just slipping through our fingers. Nowadays, people just want a quick fix—grab a pill, stop the pain, move on...
With all due respect to my colleagues at the American Chemical Society 😉 (though I can already see the chemists and the trolls gearing up for a fight). 🙂

Taroth said:Something about science and healthy eating...
Back when I was a teenager, I was absolutely covered in acne—I mean, a total mess. I went to see doctors who all insisted, with straight faces, that everything was perfectly fine... and I remember thinking, "Look, you try walking down the street looking like this and then come back and tell me it's fine."

Believe me, I get how you felt; I know plenty of young people who have dealt with—or used to deal with—those exact kinds of issues.

Taroth said:Basically... after a bunch of failed attempts, I stumbled upon black radish, and everything cleared up in just a few weeks after years of struggling...
And how?
I tried to wrap my head around it, and here’s my layman's interpretation:
The human body produces certain fats to keep the sebaceous glands running... but if it doesn't have enough amino acids, vitamins, or whatever else, it starts churning out a lower-quality version—something cheaper, essentially, but you need more of it to make it work...
So, because you need more of it, it builds up and eventually clogs your pores. Then the bacteria move in, inflammation sets in, and before you know it, the whole thing spreads to your lymph nodes, and so on, and so forth...

Skin problems usually stem from the inside, yet everyone tries to treat them strictly from the outside. It stands to reason that if the issue originates internally, that's where you need to address it.

The skin is our largest organ, made up of seven layers, and every single layer is composed of cells that require high-quality fuel—vitamins, minerals, antioxidants—to function properly.

If we accept that the quality and quantity of nutrients dictate how our cells regenerate, it isn't hard to see why you needed "something" specific—which you just happened to stumble upon by chance in that black radish. 🙂

Taroth said:Now, look, I value science and methodology as much as anyone...
But honestly, it feels a little embarrassing when an old lady at a farmer's market helps me more than some MD does.

You have to realize that doctors DO NOT DEAL WITH NUTRITION!!!

Mainstream medicine still shyly admits that diet plays a role in health prevention, but they haven't a clue how to actually implement it or how individuals can directly benefit, so they just end up repeating the same old "old wives' tales" that most people already know.

The actual science dealing with nutrition and health is nutritional science, which is gaining more respect even in official medical circles. However, one must be aware of the massive influence of the pharmaceutical lobby—it is simply NOT IN THEIR INTEREST for someone to heal themselves just by eating better, because there's no profit in that.
Sad, but true.

nimbledriver81 said:>
Look, someone actually needs to study that radish. You know—pinpoint exactly which molecule within the radish prevents pore clogging and biofilm formation. To pull that off, you need a full-scale lab, high-end equipment, specialized staff... basically, a massive pile of research funding. And once they finally identify what’s helping with those biofilms, they publish the paper. But here's the kicker: you can't patent a radish. There's no way to monetize it or recoup the investment put into the study. So, realistically? It's going to be an uphill battle to find anyone willing to cut a check for that kind of work.

There are places where plants are rigorously tested and their effects on living cells are mapped out; there are people who have been grinding away at this for over 20 years—experts who are setting new benchmarks and will ultimately reshape the global health landscape.

The wellness movement is a massive trend that has only accelerated the flow of capital toward this type of research—money provided by those who see its potential, or better yet, by those who saw it coming two decades ago. 😉 🙂

The concept of cellular nutrition is essentially the perfect solution—it fills all the gaps left by the standard American diet. The results speak for themselves, and the way people experience them—spreading the word through sheer word-of-mouth—is arguably the most powerful driver of all. 🙂

nimbledriver81 said:That’s just my theory as to why "folk remedies" don't get scrutinized.
Personally, I'd take a herbal tea over a pill any day, but we're losing that old-school botanical wisdom. Nowadays, when things get rough, people just reach for a Tylenol just to make the pain stop...

Your theory is standing on pretty shaky ground, honestly. There is actually a tremendous amount of diligent work being done in this field, but because of certain—shall we say—preconceived notions, it takes forever for that data to penetrate the mainstream consciousness, let alone for people to truly grasp the implications. 😉 😁

nimbledriver81 said:With all due respect to my colleagues in the chemistry field (I can already see the heated debates brewing between the theorists and the chemists).

One day, even they’ll realize that all their pedantic nitpicking isn't actually producing anything useful. 😁

Look, frozenlynx33, most of what you’re spewing is just scientifically baseless bull... When actual science doesn't back up your preconceived notions, you just pivot to "traditional" science and then try to slap the label of nutritionism on it. Nutritionism *is* a science—it's a legitimate field—but not in the way you and people like you use the term when you claim your specific version of it is "scientific." Your whole stance is nothing more than basic ideology, and just because some people have spent a few years obsessing over something doesn't make it valid, let alone rational. For instance, there are groups out there that have spent decades trying to prove the Earth is flat, or societies dedicated to the liberation of garden gnomes, or even things like... well, you get the point. So what does that prove? People have been studying diet for millennia, and lately, we have actual doctors who, unlike you, actually bother to learn about human physiology. In the States, nutrition is often taught at food science institutes where they barely touch upon actual medical science. I think I already mentioned this, but since you seem a bit slow on the uptake, let me say it again: based on your standards and everything you guys have been typing here, I haven't eaten properly my whole life, yet I've managed to go maybe 15 years without needing a single pill, and honestly, I haven't even caught a common cold or anything else. And what's that supposed to prove???? My "healthy diet"???? Give me a break and pick up an actual textbook instead of chasing that quasi-science nonsense you find on the internet.
BTW, the reason you almost never see major pharmaceutical companies doing serious research on plants and their medicinal properties anymore is simply because it isn't profitable. It's too expensive for too little return. That has absolutely nothing to do with lobbyists and everything to do with simple economic math.

frozenlynx33 said:Your theory is—to put it bluntly—standing on some incredibly shaky ground! Honestly, people have been working tirelessly in this field for ages, grinding away with serious dedication, but because of certain ingrained biases—our biases, I suppose—it takes an absolute eternity for any of that hard work to actually penetrate someone's consciousness. It’s like trying to explain quantum physics to a goldfish; it just takes so much more time for the information to finally reach those brain cells and, heaven help us, for people to actually grasp what's being said! 😉 😁

Well then, if you're going to be so incredibly polite—go ahead and show me some of that legendary courtesy! 🙄 Please, do send over the links to the scientific papers published on this subject—or, at the very least, provide some solid references for those studies! I mean, if I've truly managed to overlook such revolutionary breakthroughs within my own field, I certainly wouldn't want to remain in the dark—honestly, I'd feel quite silly if I missed something that monumental!

People have been obsessing over nutrition for literally millennia—and in more recent times, we’ve finally handed the reins over to actual doctors who, unlike some people I could mention, actually possess a shred of understanding regarding human physiology! It’s quite a leap, really. In the States, you see this issue all the time where nutritional science is taught at various food science or biotech institutes—places that focus heavily on the chemistry of the food itself—but they often lack even a basic grasp of clinical medicine. It's like trying to understand how an engine works by only studying the properties of gasoline; you might know the fuel, but you're completely in the dark about the machine!

If you’re asking me whether I’d pull the plug on that entire field of study—well, that’s a bit of a loaded question, isn't it? —but honestly, would I? I don't know! It feels like one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenarios where you're weighing the pure, unadulterated value of discovery against the sheer, exhausting cost of keeping the lights on. Think about it like this: it’s similar to how some people look at NASA—sure, the budget is astronomical, and you could argue that money could go elsewhere, but then again, what exactly would we be doing without that constant push toward the unknown? If we scrapped the research, we'd basically be choosing to live in a much smaller, much duller world. It’s an uphill battle, really—balancing the practical needs of today against the theoretical breakthroughs of tomorrow—but cutting it off entirely? That seems like a rather drastic way to handle a complex problem!

nimbledriver81 said:So what, you'd just shut the whole program down?

Hell no, obviously not... if anything, we really need to beef up the medical side of things because I’ve been hearing some pretty wild stories lately from people who actually went through it... honestly, in my book, it feels more like a medical track or maybe some kind of interdisciplinary major anyway, but hey, that's just my two cents...

driftinggull13 said:Look, frozenlynx33, most of what you're spewing is just scientifically baseless bull...

Honestly, I’m not even surprised by that take of yours...

What I’m talking about has been laid out by David Heber across more than 120 scientific papers—he’s literally heading up a research team at UCLA, which is arguably the most prestigious medical institution on the West Coast. We're talking about a man with massive credibility and expertise here; compared to him, you're just some random guy shouting from the sidelines, and frankly, I couldn't care less what your opinion is on the matter.

The only reason I bother citing these heavy-hitting experts is specifically for people like you—those who refuse to acknowledge arguments or facts when they're presented by "people without titles," you know, those who aren't "on your level." 🙂

driftinggull13 said:When science doesn't back up your biases, you jump to "alternative" science and then pivot to nutritionism. Nutritionism is a legitimate science—a "classic" one, if we're using your terminology—but it’s certainly not used the way you and others like you use it, pretending your specific version of "nutritionism" is actual science.

Now, I’m no nutritionist, but I am well aware of the logic, direction, and ultimate goal of using this science and its vast resources to actually help the living, breathing people walking our streets, living in our cities, and inhabiting our country—to help our parents, relatives, friends, acquaintances, and even complete strangers.

I don't need to have every single term, every vitamin, or every mineral memorized, but I do know how to apply the solutions developed by people who have been doing this work for 26 years. When someone with that kind of tenure makes a recommendation and stands behind its quality, that carries weight for a "layperson" like me.
In this day and age, we don't need to memorize everything; we just need to understand the things surrounding us—and from where I'm standing, I can see and understand what's happening quite clearly.

driftinggull13 said:Your stance is nothing more than basic ideology; just because people have been dabbling in something for a few years doesn't prove it's effective, let alone rational.

What I have personally experienced isn't some "ideology"—ideology is for people who only ever listen to lectures or read books about a subject.

Evidence of effectiveness is all around us, but unfortunately, people don't like to talk about it on forums like I do. If you’re genuinely interested in seeing the proof, I can certainly help you find a way to encounter it firsthand.
Plenty of health results can be found online, truly everywhere, and the best way to verify any of this is simply to talk to the people who have actually lived through these changes themselves.

It seems what looks perfectly rational to me is completely nonsensical to you, but hey, that’s your problem.

driftinggull13 said:I mean, look—you can find groups for just about anything these days. There’s organizations that have spent decades obsessively trying to prove the Earth is flat, there are "societies" dedicated to the liberation of garden gnomes, there are niche clubs for people who collect vintage staplers... you name it, someone has formed a non-profit around it. So, really, what does the mere existence of such a group actually prove? Absolutely nothing. It’s just proof that humans have way too much free time on their hands.

So, how would you even phrase an example like that... I mean, what exactly is the name of your organization? Is it something like the American Chemical Society or something equally grand? 😂

driftinggull13 said:People have been obsessing over what they put in their bodies for literally millennia—and lately, we actually have doctors stepping in to handle it. You know, people who actually possess a shred of understanding regarding human physiology? Unlike some folks, I'd argue that matters. In our current system, nutrition is taught at food science and biotech institutes where, quite frankly, they barely touch upon the actual complexities of human medicine. It’s a bit of a gap in the curriculum, if you ask me.

Look, nutrition science and herbalism aren't some modern "wellness" fad—they go back millennia. I mean, if you look at traditional Chinese medicine, we’re talking over 6,000 years of documented tradition there. For most of human history, prevention was actually the cornerstone of staying healthy, rather than just waiting until something breaks and rushing to a clinic. So, it leaves me wondering... why hasn't this been given the respect it deserves until now? Is it just sheer arrogance? Or perhaps just the massive, unchecked ego of Western establishment culture? It feels like we spent centuries ignoring what worked simply because it didn't fit our narrow, self-important view of "progress." 🤔
Hippocrates was preaching this stuff over 2,500 years ago—literally millennia before we even had modern tech—and yet here we are. Nowadays, once you finally crawl out of medical school, everyone goes through the motions of reciting the Hippocratic Oath like it’s just some mandatory bureaucratic checkbox. It’s a ritual, sure, but does anyone actually *mean* it? Honestly, it feels like most people just say the words because they have to, while the actual weight behind those principles gets lost in the shuffle of paperwork and insurance forms. It’s a bit cynical, isn't it? To take something that profound and turn it into a mere formality. 😕
So you’re saying, "Lately, doctors have been..."—and honestly, I hear you. It’s like we’ve entered this strange era where the whole medical establishment seems to be operating on a different frequency entirely. You go in for a standard checkup, expecting a bit of old-school diagnostic rigor, and instead, you get someone staring at a tablet, tapping away with this detached, clinical indifference—as if they're just processing data points rather than actually looking at a human being. It reminds me of that time I went to see a specialist over in Chicago—I won't name names, but let's just say the waiting room felt more like a high-end tech startup than a clinic—and the entire vibe was just... transactional. There was no soul in it. It’s become this weirdly streamlined, almost automated experience. You start to wonder if the art of medicine is getting swallowed up by the sheer efficiency of the system. Don't get me wrong, technology is great, but when the human element starts feeling like an afterthought—well, then we've really lost the plot, haven't we? 😕 And why only recently? Well—it’s pretty obvious, isn't it? It's because those old-school, narrow-minded ideologues have finally gone and proven they were right all along... damn.

Look, what I’m actually getting at here is that intersection where nutritional science meets our fundamental understanding of human physiology—how the body actually functions when you introduce specific nutrients and food compounds into the mix. It’s that sweet spot between biology and diet. And honestly? We are finally starting to realize we've been sitting on a gold mine—a total "eureka" moment—that was staring us in the face all along.
About thirty years ago—yes, I know, that feels like a lifetime ago—this young guy had this singular, driving vision. He wanted to figure out how to actually help people fix their health through nutrition, specifically by making weight loss feel safe, sustainable, and, dare I say, actually effective for once. Most people just grab a fad diet from a drugstore aisle and call it a day, but he was looking for something deeper. He ended up heading over to Asia to seek out some real expertise, working alongside top-tier herbalists who actually knew their stuff. After countless years poured into intense research and development—the kind of grind that makes you question your life choices—he finally hit on something significant.
Back in February 1980, he laid the groundwork by founding HL—and honestly, looking back, it’s been one hell of a ride. Since those early days, there hasn't been a single moment where the research wasn't moving forward—just constant, relentless investigation. Plus, his specialized team has been expanding year after year—it feels like every time I turn around, there's another brilliant mind added to the roster.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the equation, you had Dr. David Heber—who, mind you, wasn't exactly working solo—leading a massive operation at UCLA. We’re talking a full-blown squad here: seven professors, seven research associates, thirty-five staff members, all packed into ten thousand square feet of cutting-edge laboratory space. It was quite the setup. But once he realized he wasn't the only one chasing this particular rabbit down the hole, he decided to join forces with HL back in 2002, at which point he finally went on the record and admitted:
So, he’s essentially claiming that we scientists are just "too brilliant for our own good"—implying it took us a full seventeen years of intense intellectual heavy lifting just to finally catch up to what HL had already figured out. He tries to back this up with this little anecdote about one of his colleagues, a Dr. Morris, who published a paper in an American nutrition journal back in 1999. At the time, everyone was treating it like some groundbreaking, revolutionary discovery—absolute pandemonium in the academic circles—but if you actually look at the timeline, the reality is much more embarrassing. It turns out that everything she "discovered" was already common knowledge within HL as far back as 1982. It wasn't a breakthrough; it was just a very late arrival to a party that ended decades ago.

If you’re actually looking for the proof—and I mean the real deal—I’ve got a video recording of the whole thing sitting right here.

driftinggull13 said:Look, I’ve already laid this out once, but since you seem to be moving at a slightly slower pace than the rest of us—let me break it down for you again. Based on those "gold standards" you all keep preaching about in this thread, I should basically be a walking corpse by now. I haven’t followed a single one of your dietary rules in my entire life—not then, and certainly not now—and for the last fifteen years, I haven't touched a single supplement or pill. Not only that, but I haven't even caught a common cold, let alone any other illness. And what does that prove? Does it prove my diet is actually healthy? It sure does. Honestly, do yourselves a favor: put down the internet pseudo-science and pick up an actual, serious textbook for once.

Well, what can I say? You’re one lucky soul. 😛
A deficiency in certain vital nutrients might not even show its face until you're 30 or 40—so this little "bragging rights" thing you have about eating poorly while feeling perfectly fine? It doesn't mean your health won't eventually pay the price.
Look, every body is unique, sure, but the underlying mechanics are essentially the same; some people might need a bit more of this or a bit less of that, but globally speaking, the machinery operates on the same principles.
The reality is that there aren't two people on this planet who consume the exact same type and quantity of food, and scientists are actually right in the middle of studying exactly how those subtle differences play out within the system.

driftinggull13 said:By the way, almost no major pharmaceutical company bothers with researching plants and their medicinal properties anymore because it’s just not worth it. The costs are too high for such a small payoff. It’s not even about lobbyists—it’s pure economic math.

Oh, please, wake up and smell the coffee! It isn't even in the Interest of Big Pharma to have healthy people; their whole goal is to cultivate a population of chronically ill individuals who can live long enough to stay on medication indefinitely—creating lifelong customers. Everyone knows these drugs just mask symptoms rather than fixing the root cause... honestly, it’s much more profitable to let a virus spread and then swoop in to brag about having the vaccine, raking in massive profits off human suffering. So much for your "economic math."*🙂

Those who build their business models on actual health foundations understand that you have to constantly reinvest in R&D, and if you want proof, just look at the company I'm always talking about.

driftinggull13 said:Of course not! We really need to beef up the medical side of things—honestly, I’ve heard so many wild stories about how those programs ended up turning out. Personally, if you ask me, this whole subject feels more like medicine or perhaps some kind of interdisciplinary study. But hey, that’s just my two cents!

It’s true—it’s missing physiology, anatomy (though I’m speaking from memory here, I haven't checked the latest curriculum lately!), and it definitely needs more hands-on practical work—maybe they updated that too, 😬. An interdisciplinary study does sound quite sophisticated! Medicine itself is just so incredibly complex, and then if you try to fold nutrition into the mix... well, that's just my opinion, anyway—I actually gave up on pursuing medicine back in my seventh year of school.

frozenlynx33 (though "guinea pig" might be a better fit for you, but alright...), how can you claim to be such a steak salesman when you're out here hunting for victims on a forum? If you’re truly as skilled as you say, how is it that you haven't managed to talk anyone here into buying your nonsense yet?

nimbledriver81 said:Oh, fine then—be a dear and just 🙄drop some links to actual peer-reviewed papers on this topic right here. Or at least give me some citations, since I’ve clearly missed out on all those "revolutionary" breakthroughs happening in my own field.

Look, I had a bunch of specific links saved, but they all went up in smoke when my hard drive decided to die on me—total nightmare, by the way—so if you're that desperate, maybe try a quick Google search? Or, better yet, just shoot an email directly to Dr. Heber at: dheber@mednet.ucla.edu and I'm sure he'll be happy to enlighten you. 🙂

Honestly, questioning his expertise is just... well, it's a bit silly, isn't it? Once you actually take a moment to look into his work, it'll click for you.

Besides, I’ve got plenty of video footage where he breaks everything down quite clearly—I can certainly dig those up for you if you need them, no biggie. 🙂

frozenlynx33 said:blablaherbalifeblabla

Honestly, you wouldn't recognize irony if it slapped you right in the face...

frozenlynx33 said:In

There she goes again, acting all high and mighty... honestly, both in her head and on the screen, I can't even be bothered to quote that massive wall of text you dumped here. Let me repeat myself, since you clearly aren't grasping the point...
1. Just because someone has been doing something for years doesn't make them right.
2. People spend their time studying alternative medicine or cellular nutrition, so what? People also spend their time believing the Earth is flat or obsessing over garden gnomes and other nonsense, but does "being involved" suddenly make those things true?
2. Bringing up "one professional journal" isn't a counter-argument, it's just a weak attempt at one.
3. The pharmaceutical industry is incredibly powerful even in places where traditional medicine is king, like China or India. If people think they have a monopoly because they have amazing traditional roots, well... they're just falling for the lobbyist talk....
4. I haven't been sick, and whether I will be is a whole different story, but look—you eat healthy and you still get sick (not counting the "you'll get sick later" part), so stop preaching about diet and its supposed massive impact on health. Of course it matters, but obesity from poor eating habits is a much bigger issue than anything else, which ultimately isn't about the food itself but the actual habits we have. There is no such thing as "unhealthy food"—provided it’s hygienic and non-toxic—there is only unhealthy eating.
5. The pharma industry is going to research whatever turns a profit, just like any other business. Whether it's a medicinal compound pulled from a plant, a mulberry, a slug, or frozenlynx33's brain, or something cooked up in a lab, they don't care. They stopped researching plants because the margins are too small or they aren't potent enough. All these other "arguments" regarding Big Pharma are just total garbage, nothing more than some neighborhood gossip based on how people imagine the industry works. I guess the "healthy" food industry, alternative medicine, and herbalism are all just charitable organizations instead of actual businesses, huh?
🙂
I'm done with this, peace out.👋

nimbledriver81 said:Medicine is just inherently too complex—especially when you start throwing nutrition into the mix (just my two cents, anyway; I pretty much gave up on becoming a doctor back in second grade).

Honestly, I think having a dedicated nutrition course in medical school isn't just helpful—it’s absolutely vital. It would make the whole connection between unbalanced diets and systemic health issues so much clearer for everyone involved.

nimbledriver81 said:frozenlynx33, if you're such a master steak salesman, why are you hunting for victims on an internet forum? If you were actually that gifted, surely you would have convinced at least one person here to buy into your nonsense by now?

Look, this isn't about making a sale, though I certainly don't expect you to grasp that distinction.
It's hard for people to swallow new information, especially when it clashes with everything they were taught growing up or drilled into them in college—and frankly, I couldn't tell you why that is; the human brain remains the most mysterious frontier we have left. 😉 😁

You call it "nonsense"? .. care to be more specific? 😕

nimbledriver81 said:You clearly don't get irony even when it's hitting you right in the face...

Oh, I get it—I just haven't quite wrapped my head around the fact that people like you actually exist in the wild, so I felt the need to verify it for myself... I figured if I just shared enough info and asked enough questions, the rest of the community would eventually see through the noise and realize who’s actually contributing something useful versus who’s just here to derail every single thread they touch. I think the picture is pretty clear now, wouldn't you agree? 👋

frozenlynx33 - mayo - nitteworks - hummer - MacGregor - wellnes - ....

So, how many of you guys are actually hanging out here?

Honestly, don't you ever get tired of typing the exact same thing over and over? Even after getting banned, you just come right back and start typing away again...

frozenlynx33 said:It’s not about selling

FANTASTIC. Seriously—just send me a box of this "assistance" of yours, or whatever you want to call it, and I will personally run some tests on it here in my lab. I'll be sure to publish the full findings right here on Reddit.
Since you aren't actually selling anything...