Emergency: My friend is pregnant
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#183 ·
Lisa Barrett22 said:Take a look at those photos Jessica Perez93 posted.
I had no idea an eight-week fetus already looked like a "real" baby.😢
Most people don't realize this. There’s a widespread sentiment, particularly among staunch abortion advocates, that if you can't see it—and since the fetus is developing inside the womb, you can't—then it doesn't exist.
As for those who insist that comparing the Jewish Holocaust of WWII to the modern scourge of abortion is absurd, they likely do so because the victims of abortion aren't "visible" in the same way as those from the Second World War. Regardless of how you frame it, whether it's abortion or a bullet to the head or a gas chamber, the end result is death. The only difference is the physical scale of the victims. During WWII, roughly 6 million Jews were intentionally murdered in pursuit of certain "higher" goals. Consider how many abortions are performed globally every year, also driven by "higher" objectives—though in this case, those objectives might be career concerns, finances, physical appearance, or social pressure...
#184 ·
Peter Myers29 said:The only difference is the physical size of the victims.
Physical size? Really? Physical size? 🤣
That’s a great one. Sure, terminating this is exactly the same as snatching up a grown man—a worker, a husband, a father of several kids—and turning him into soap.
I couldn't agree more.
I have no idea what kind of fantasy world you people are living in, but I assume you're picturing little fetuses sitting in the womb reading Proust. It’s biological life, sure, but for heaven's sake, it isn't a person. Just because there's a primitive cluster of neural tissue doesn't mean you've got a fully developed brain; it's not the same thing at all. Maybe try looking up some basic embryology while you're at it.
So, equating a zygote—since you clearly count a single cell as a full-fledged human being—with an actual person... honestly, it's about as absurd as comparing abortion to the Holocaust. Like, as if a group of women performing six million abortions would be the same thing. Yeah, right. 🙄
#185 ·
Megan Reed said:Physical size? Really? 🤣Is that the metric?
I actually find this argument compelling. Yes, terminating this is fundamentally no different from taking a grown man—a worker, a husband, a father of several children—and rendering him into soap.
I'm not sure what exactly you're fantasizing about, but I suspect you're picturing a fetus sitting in the womb reading Proust. It is biological life, certainly, but it isn't a person. And no, having the early beginnings of brain vesicles is in no way the same as having a fully developed brain. Perhaps look into some basic embryology while you're at it.
And what makes you so certain that this child (assuming they aren't aborted) won't grow up to be a laborer, a husband, or a father, and perhaps even become the next Einstein? Can you state with absolute certainty that they wouldn't have been capable of that? Do you possess the gift of foresight? The issue seems simple: you are limiting your perspective to the present moment and yourself, acting as if the future of others doesn't exist.
Death is death; the only variable is the timing. Once someone is dead, it hardly matters whether they were an intellectual capable of reading Proust or merely a child, born or otherwise.
#186 ·
Megan Reed said:So you're basically equating a zygote—which I assume you're counting as a full person—with an actual human being.
Nature itself seems to suggest that a fetus shouldn't be treated as a human being. Take premature babies born in the fifth or sixth month due to complications, for instance. They rarely survive, and even if they do, they often face severe challenges and a very short lifespan.
If nature dictates that a fetus isn't a person, why should we try to claim otherwise?
#187 ·
Peter Myers29 said:How can you say for certain that they wouldn't be able to do that?
I’m not making any claims about whether it would happen or not, because nobody has a crystal ball. But you simply cannot lump someone with decades of life experience into the same category as a biological byproduct that's only a few weeks old. It’s an apples-to-oranges comparison.
And besides, who can actually guarantee a pregnancy will even make it to term? Miscarriages happen all the time. Are we going to label those as murders too? If so, who exactly is the culprit there—is it God?
#188 ·
Jessica Perez93 said:If nature says a fetus isn't a person, why should we insist otherwise?
I’m not making any claims here. 😁 I just see people—specifically those in the anti-abortion camp—constantly labeling a fetus as an person. Like I’ve said before, I can agree it’s a living organism, but that doesn't make it a person. It's also common sense to recognize there's a massive difference between a microscopic cluster of cells and a nine-month pregnancy right before birth; that's just reality.
And honestly, if a fertilized egg—which is just the union of two cells—is considered a "human being," then... what, is my egg already half a person? 😬 I mean, come on...
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Going back to those images... nothing about them surprises me. I find it hilarious when people come up to me acting shocked, saying, "Oh my god, I had no idea a fetus looked so much like a 😁human..." It’s baffling. Clearly, they haven't been paying any attention to basic biology. :-/
#189 ·
Megan Reed said:I'm not making a claim. 😁
I know you aren't. I just quoted you so I could build on what you said. 🙂
#190 ·
Jessica Perez93 said:I know you aren't claiming that.
Look, I get it, I’m just repeating myself so there isn't any confusion.
#191 ·
Megan Reed said:
Megan, you’re seriously letting me down with how you constantly misquote people. It’s like you can’t tell the difference between what actually matters and total nonsense. That last bit about Toca1980 is exactly why I jumped into this whole mess in the first place...
I'm out! 👋
#192 ·
Toco1980 said:How can you be so damn sure they won't pull it off? You got some kind of crystal ball or something?
Look, you've got a young mom with zero experience and basically no help—plus a father who couldn't care less—deciding this kid won't grow up to be anything useful, like an Einstein or some other success story. It’s a cycle. Kids who grow up without guidance or actual love usually end up as nothing but trouble, hurting themselves and everyone else around them. Honestly, it's better if they aren't even born than being thrown into the world just to fend for themselves...
#193 ·
Megan Reed said:Look, I’m not claiming anything. 😁 But I see it all the time when certain people (the anti-abortion crowd) start calling a fetus an person. Like I said before, I can agree it’s a living being, but that doesn't make it a person. And honestly, I don't view a tiny cluster of cells from a few days ago the same way I view a full-term baby right before birth. It's just common sense.
And seriously, if a fertilized egg—which is just two cells meeting—is already considered a "human being," then... what, is my egg halfway to being a person already? 😬 I mean, come on...
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Anyway, going back to those ultrasound photos... nothing about them surprises me. It actually baffles me when people come up to me and go, "Oh my god, I had no idea a fetus looked so... 😁human." Like, seriously? Clearly, they haven't been paying attention to biology class. :-/
Well, I *have* been paying attention to biology, I just haven't looked at those pictures in a while, so I guess I was getting a little rusty.😳
One more thing (since I'm clearly stumped here): does a fetus actually feel pain? Okay, I get that a nine-month-old baby definitely feels 😁pain, but does a one or two-week-old embryo??
I don't exactly have time to go pull out a textbook on embryology right now.😉
#194 ·
Sure, maybe it feels things, but how is it actually gonna rebel? It’s barely even kicking, lol 🙂
#195 ·
Sean Grant85 said:Look, I'm genuinely curious here—you already admitted you followed through with an abortion. How do you actually deal with all that? Personally, I don't think I could handle being in those shoes... but I guess I’d have to respect her decision, whatever it may be. Still, I can't wrap my head around how to live with the guilt if I felt like I should have done more to prevent it. Would I suggest marriage? Or maybe just stepping up to provide maximum child support?
If I were the woman, maybe I wouldn't go through with it—but I'd certainly take extreme contraceptive precautions, no matter how morbid that sounds...
And regarding the whole "biological machine" argument, I agree with you there, though I haven't really looked into how a woman manages the psychological aftermath of an abortion.
I mean, let's say you pull out in time, but a little bit still makes it inside—or maybe birth control just fails. What then? At that point, there isn't really any way to assign responsibility to either the man or the woman.
For me, it would be much harder to live with the conscience knowing my partner had a child she didn't want, and that I played a part in making her life miserable...
#196 ·
Not a bad take—that’s how I’d approach it too.👍
But take a closer look at those embryo images from the 2-month mark; they're right up against that legal threshold. It’s starting to look undeniably human—how can anyone claim there's no heart in breaking that thin line of life?
(Personally, that last photo feels off—I read on an official CDC website that a fetus doesn't truly start looking human until the third month. Is this 56-day one premature, or just some staged imagery?)
On the other hand, if they decide to go through with it, both partners need a total overhaul of their lifestyle and long-term planning. They have to commit fully to parenting so neither feels resentful—ensuring both individuals feel fulfilled in their own lives. Maybe we could all end up better off?!
But take a closer look at those embryo images from the 2-month mark; they're right up against that legal threshold. It’s starting to look undeniably human—how can anyone claim there's no heart in breaking that thin line of life?
(Personally, that last photo feels off—I read on an official CDC website that a fetus doesn't truly start looking human until the third month. Is this 56-day one premature, or just some staged imagery?)
On the other hand, if they decide to go through with it, both partners need a total overhaul of their lifestyle and long-term planning. They have to commit fully to parenting so neither feels resentful—ensuring both individuals feel fulfilled in their own lives. Maybe we could all end up better off?!
#197 ·
Sean Grant85 said:I don't think that's quite right. If I try to put myself in a woman's shoes—if that happened to me—I'd choose to have the baby, so my conscience would be clear. But if... ......................................
Plenty of women on this forum have shared their stories, though the rules say I can't drop names here. One of them was very clear about how she still feels a deep sense of bitterness over that moment, even while she regrets losing the child. ................
You aren't a woman, so you can't claim to know how you'd react in her position. A woman might regret having an abortion and still believe, deep down, that it was the right call at the time. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
Honestly, those self-righteous moralists who preach against abortion should probably just stop sleeping together entirely if they aren't prepared to commit to keeping the baby 100% of the time—one guy actually lives by that rule, 😁 Toco—because that's the only way to be truly pro-life.
And what's to stop that child—assuming they aren't aborted—from growing up to be a productive worker, a good husband, a father, or maybe even a new Einstein...?
And what's to stop them from becoming the next Hitler? Or a serial killer, or something else entirely? There are no guarantees.
#198 ·
Megan Reed said:I’m not making any claims. 😁 But I see it all the time—people who are anti-abortion already labeling a fetus as a person. Like I said before, I can agree that it’s living tissue, but that doesn't make it a person. And honestly, I don't view a tiny cluster of cells the same way I view a full-term baby right before birth... let's be real.
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So, when does a fetus actually become a person? In your eyes, at least.
Maybe we could all just get along for once?!
Maybe... or maybe not. If anyone’s interested, they can go find their own answers...
#199 ·
Matthew Sullivan32 said:When does a fetus actually become a person? At least, in your eyes.
Hmm... personally, I don't view a fetus as a person. 😉 Calling someone a "person" is more of a philosophical designation if you ask me, and while I don't spend my days overanalyzing the metaphysics of it, my baseline requirement would be that they have actually been born. 😉 [And yeah, I can already hear the inevitable follow-up: what about a full-term baby at nine months?] It’s a tough call. All I can really say, and I've said it before, is that for me, it isn't (yet) a person.
#200 ·
Megan Reed said:hmm... to's a different story. to me, a fetus isn't a person. 😉 "personhood" is more of a philosophical concept, anyway—I don't spend my nights losing sleep over it—but if I had to set one condition, it would be that they actually have to be born first. 😉 [Yeah, yeah, I know what you're going to ask: what about a nine-month fetus...?] It's hard to say. All I can tell you—and I've already said this—is that, in my view, it isn't (yet) a person.
It’s a shame, really, because you were actually making some decent points until now...😉
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