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Bread consumption habits

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mistybear4 mistybear4 Active Member
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joined Nov 2007
#21 ·
Einstein said:Is it actually true that skipping bread will land you in the hospital?

I’m not the one saying it; there's just someone out there who insists on it constantly.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. But I'm not sure about the universe." (Albert Einstein)

Well, there you have it—that "little" statement pretty much sums everything up... 👍

Bread matters because of the plant fiber, which you get from whole grain varieties rather than white bread.. 😉

The experts claim we need a daily dose of fiber roughly equivalent to what you'd find in 25 slices of whole wheat bread (assuming you aren't getting those fibers from somewhere else)..

We tend to split carbs into the good and the bad:
a) vegetables — low density, high fiber content
b) fruit — moderate density, moderate fiber content
c) starches and grains — high density, low fiber content

So, quality carbohydrates (sugars) are found in veggies and fruit, while the junk consists of white refined sugar, white flour, dough, potatoes, and rice...
The body simply doesn't require saturated fats, refined flour, or processed sugar... 🙂

But hey, if anyone wants to eat like that, they're welcome to it.. 🙂
Drew Mitchell55 Drew Mitchell55 Member
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joined Jan 2006
#22 ·
I eat bread every single day—honestly, it’s part of almost every meal I have. It’s just impossible for me to sit down without it... whether it's serving as a side to steak, some mashed potatoes, or even just a quick snack, I find myself needing two or three thick slices just to feel satisfied.

To be fair, I didn't used to be much of a bread eater when I was having sides with my meals, but once I joined the Army and started dealing with those tiny, meager portions they serve, I realized I had to start pairing everything with bread just to stay full. 😁
dustycanyon6 dustycanyon6 Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#23 ·
Drew Mitchell55 said:I eat bread every single day with every meal—honestly, I just can't do it without it. It’s like my go-to side dish for everything. Whether it's meat, potatoes, or whatever else is on the table, I need at least two or three slices of bread to make it feel right...

It’s just a habit thing. Once you break away from it (if you ever actually do), if you start eating with bread again, everything just tastes... dry. 😉 Like, for me, I can't even imagine eating a burger or pasta or something without feeling like something's missing. Nowadays, I really only have bread with deli meat (I mean, you can't have a sandwich without it, 😁), maybe on a pizza (if we're counting that as bread), or occasionally with some chili. Even then, one small slice is plenty for a big bowl of chili. And sometimes, I don't even bother with bread at all.
Drew Young10 Drew Young10 Member
41 messages
joined Nov 2007
#24 ·
Usually, I just grab some whole grain seeded bread wrapped in plastic. The basic stuff goes moldy way too fast for my liking, and honestly, this one tastes better—plus people claim it’s healthier or whatever.
The slice thickness is pretty spot on, too.
But then there are those days where I just go for a classic white bread sandwich with plenty of sour cream and a heavy hand with the salt. It hits the spot.🙂
I don't really spend much time obsessing over health, though. It’s not exactly my priority; I drink, I smoke, and I barely move from my chair.
northernfalcon30 northernfalcon30 Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#25 ·
If you elect me Mayor, I’m shutting down every single one of those billion private bakeries in this city... then maybe your kids will actually grow up healthy and looking decent for once.😎
Michael Fox46 Michael Fox46 Active Member
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joined Apr 2005
#26 ·
I've been snacking on some homemade whole wheat bread lately 😎
northernfalcon30 northernfalcon30 Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#27 ·
Alright, I'm listening...☕
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Michael Fox46 Michael Fox46 Active Member
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joined Apr 2005
#28 ·
So, what's the recipe? ☕ 😁

I really need to ask my mom for it. 😁 😁 She makes these little savory biscuits for me every single Sunday, and they last me the whole week. 😁 😁 It’s become this little ritual, you know? Every Sunday 😁 😁
northernfalcon30 northernfalcon30 Active Member
90 messages
joined Sep 2003
#29 ·
Seriously though, mothers... if it wasn't for them, we'd all just starve to death...😁

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Michael Fox46 Michael Fox46 Active Member
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joined Apr 2005
#30 ·
northernfalcon30 said:Honestly, mothers... if it weren't for them, we'd all just starve to death out here...😁

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I'll send you that recipe tomorrow, I promise!😉
driftinggull13 driftinggull13 Active Member
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joined Apr 2020
#31 ·
dustycanyon6 said:White flour acts just like sugar—it spikes your insulin. Next thing you know, you’ll be telling me sugar is actually healthy, right? 😁 👎

Of course it's healthy, you absolute genius... honestly, it's like talking to a brick wall sometimes. Monosaccharides are the primary fuel source, meaning insulin exists specifically to shuttle those sugars into your cells because they're basically the fundamental building blocks of cellular nutrition. If you don't have sugar in your blood, you're literally starving... you're dying. Every single time you eat, your insulin levels go up. And yeah, any kind of flour is going to spike your insulin because they're all packed with polysaccharides that just break down into monosaccharides during digestion, which then flood your bloodstream and get pushed into your cells by insulin to be used for energy.

Go read Guyton's Physiology, dustycanyon6... please, I can't deal with this level of ignorance anymore.😉
dustycanyon6 dustycanyon6 Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#32 ·
driftinggull13 said:Of course it’s healthy, you uneducated genius. Monosaccharides are the primary energy source, meaning insulin exists specifically to shuttle sugars into the cell because they are the main fuel for the cell. Without sugar in your blood, you starve... basically die. After every meal, your insulin spikes. Insulin spikes with any kind of flour because everything is packed with polysaccharides that break down into monosaccharides during digestion. Those enter the bloodstream and then use insulin to get into the cells to create energy.

PHYSIOLOGY - GUYTON. dustycanyon6, please, enough with this nonsense.😉

I think you've said it all... You've really shown your true colors here... I bet you tell sick people, "Hey, go to McDonald's, you'll feel much better once you get a ton of food loaded with monosaccharides." People are becoming more aware of how damaging sugar is over time, yet you try to "prove" your wrong opinions by leaving out the most important facts. Just keep it up, I guess. 👎 I just hope nobody actually listens to you. 😉
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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joined Sep 2006
#33 ·
dustycanyon6 said:I guess you’ve said it all... and really shown your true colors here... You probably tell sick people: hey, let's go to McDonald's, you'll get tons of food loaded with monosaccharides and feel just fine. People are becoming more aware of how bad sugar is, yet you try to "prove" your wrong views by leaving out vital info. Just keep it up, I suppose. 👎 Hopefully, nobody actually listens to you. 😉

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Carbohydrates
Carbs are the primary energy source for all bodily functions and muscle activity, and they're necessary to help with digestion and the assimilation of other substances.

How are they categorized within the group?

Where is the truth in this?

Excess sugar - fat
Disaccharides-polysaccharides
Complex carbohydrates

The name carbohydrate comes from an old assumption that these were compounds made of carbon and water. That old definition has been expanded significantly now, as the group includes a whole range of compounds classified into the following categories:
a) sugar alcohols;
b) amino sugars;
c) anhydro sugars and
d) deoxy sugars.
For our bodies, carbohydrates are basically fuel for vehicles. This means these substances are required just so our metabolism can function at all.
Carbohydrates represent the most significant energy source among all the nutrients we consume daily. In the American diet, carbs make up about 55-60% of total calories consumed through food during the day. One gram of carbohydrate provides about 4 calories when burned—similar to protein—which is more than double what 1 gram of fat provides.
For a long time, it was thought that the amount of carbohydrates in a diet was an indicator of the dietary habits of a certain population or even the economic status of the people being observed. Essentially, the common belief was that people with lower purchasing power used more carbohydrates in their daily diet (bread, potatoes, rice) than those with higher economic standards, who included significantly fewer carbohydrates and more proteins (meat, milk, cheese) and fats. But, does such a division mean that populations with better economic standing eat healthier? Not necessarily!

How are they categorized within the group?

Carbohydrates, or sugars, are a group of very diverse compounds found in our bodies, and since they also make up parts of animal and plant species, we get them largely through food. They are divided into simple sugars or monosaccharides, oligosaccharides, and complex sugars or polysaccharides.
Monosaccharides, or simple sugars, consist of just one carbohydrate molecule. In food, we mainly find glucose (which is abundant in corn and other vegetables) and fructose (found in honey, various fruits, fruit products, and also called fruit or grape sugar). Glucose is also the main monosaccharide in our blood, and its concentrations must always stay within certain limits (63-99 mg/dL) to ensure all tissues, especially the brain, have a sufficient source of "food and energy."
Oligosaccharides are sugars consisting of two to ten monosaccharide units. In the diet, the most significant are disaccharides (composed of two monosaccharide units). The most famous disaccharide is sucrose, or table sugar. It is obtained from processing sugar beets or sugarcane. Lately, this type of sugar has come under heavy fire, and it's often recommended to only consume it in the form of so-called "unrefined, raw brown sugar."

Where’s the truth in all this?

The term "raw sugar" is pretty much a misnomer. I guess you can't actually buy truly raw sugar at the store. Any sugar you find on a shelf in an American supermarket has been processed at least partially just to strip out impurities and other junk. Brown sugar is really just refined sugar coated in molasses. Maybe the only real upside to using it over white sugar is that it might not trigger as much fermentation or extra bloating from microbes in your gut.
Sucrose—or plain old table sugar—is a dangerous substance in any form, honestly. It’s probably best to keep it to an absolute minimum in your daily diet. Our bodies aren't built for, or even adapted to, the massive amounts of sucrose we consume every single day. The worst part is that we often don't even realize we're eating it because it's "hidden" in various products (see the chart). When people talk about "hidden calories," they're usually referring to sugars and fats that you wouldn't notice at first glance.

Excess sugar equals fat.

It's worth noting that any extra sugar our bodies don't use for immediate energy gets converted into stored fat, which is a major culprit behind obesity. Beyond weight gain, overdoing it on sugar can damage the pancreas; when you factor in stress and genetics, that's how you end up with diabetes. Plus, it damages blood vessels and leads to atherosclerosis.
Just remember: table sugar provides energy and builds fat, but it doesn't provide a single vitamin or mineral.


Disaccharides and Polysaccharides

Regarding other disaccharides, we should mention lactose, or milk sugar. That's produced by mammary glands and is the primary sugar found in milk. Breast milk has the highest concentration (around 7%), while cow, sheep, or goat milk is lower (between 4.5% and 4.8%). Lactose is roughly three times less sweet than sucrose, but it still provides significant nutritional value.
Polysaccharides are complex carbohydrates made up of many monosaccharide units. Usually, that building block is glucose. Polysaccharides include:
a) energy storage in plants (starch) and animals (glycogen);
b) structural components in plants (cellulose).
While our bodies can break down starch and glycogen normally, cellulose falls into the category of "dietary fiber." We can't digest it, but it's necessary for keeping digestion regular and maintaining healthy stool.

Complex Carbohydrates

Complex carbs are a major food group that provides enough energy for our metabolism to function properly. Since these come from high-quality sources like rice, potatoes, grains, fruits, and vegetables, they are highly recommended today. They provide carbohydrates along with a whole spectrum of essential vitamins and minerals.


Donatella
driftinggull13 driftinggull13 Active Member
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#34 ·
dustycanyon6 said:I think you’ve pretty much said it all... and really shown everyone what you're made of... You'd probably tell sick people, "Hey, just head over to McDonald's, you'll feel great once you shovel in a mountain of monosaccharide-filled junk." People are finally waking up to how bad sugar actually is, and here you are, "proving" your wrongheaded views by leaving out the most crucial facts. Just keep it up. 👎 I just hope nobody actually listens to you. 😉

dustycanyon6, honestly, your lack of education is just staggering. Let me spell it out for you: the carbohydrates used in standard flour are essentially the same stuff found in whole grain flour, yet you go off in some post claiming I'm telling sick people things they shouldn't hear and babbling about monosaccharides like you don't realize that most carbs—whether from wheat, fruit, or whole grains—are primarily composed of them in the first place.
And then Sandra Hayes88 goes ahead and copies a post from Donatella (who, by the way, I know personally) that I don't think Sandra Hayes88 understood one bit either.
Your body doesn't care if you get glucose from refined sugar, white flour, or an apple. Is that even clicking for you two? Yeah, sure, excess sugar turns into fat for energy storage, and then what? You get fat? Then eat less and move more. It's not rocket science.
White flour is just as healthy as any other flour; it's strictly a matter of quantity. You don't need to rely on bread for your vitamins and minerals when you can get them from plenty of other foods, so whether there's a little extra trace amount in the bread or not is completely irrelevant.
In whole grain bread, you have fiber that doesn't even digest—mostly cellulose, which, by the way, is also a glucose polymer just like starch or glycogen—so that bread actually has a lower caloric density, which makes you feel full because your stomach is physically stuffed, while providing less actual fuel to the system... it's basically what vets call "bulk feed," meaning it keeps you from getting overweight.
Talking about the "harmfulness" of wheat flour versus refined sugar is like talking about how dangerous water is just because someone drank 20 liters of it in a single day.
To wrap up this ridiculous debate: all the foods we're talking about are good and necessary, provided you use them in moderation.

Brown sugar is nothing more than a marketing myth; if you look at the ingredients, it's over 85% sucrose, and the rest is mostly just glucose and fructose (which are just breakdown products of sucrose anyway).
Molasses is about 50% sucrose, and the rest is just water and a tiny bit of solids like minerals or ash or whatever else you want to call it. You aren't gaining anything special from it that you couldn't find elsewhere.
🙂 🙂 🙂
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active Member
58 messages
joined Nov 2007
#35 ·
"Your body doesn't care if you get your glucose from refined sugar, white flour, or an apple. Do you two even grasp that concept? "

it seems like you're completely lost here.. 😁

"Sure, extra sugar turns into fat as stored energy, and then what? You get fat? Just eat less and move more."

are you working as a nutrition consultant at McDonald's??? ... 😕
that’s basically their whole pitch—eat McDonald's, leave the car at home, go for a run, and you'll be fine... 😁 👎

"That whole-grain bread thing works because the fiber can't be digested, so it actually has a lower net caloric value. It makes you feel full since your stomach is physically distended, but provides less actual energy to the system—what they call 'bulk feed' in veterinary medicine."

bravo, maybe one day you'll actually stumble upon a logical conclusion.. 🙂
you're right that plant fibers swell in the stomach and create volume, which reduces the urge to overeat.. but at least whole-grain bread actually HAS those fibers, whereas white bread has zero... so there's no nutritional benefit to it from an energy standpoint; why bother just to fill your gut?

ps: I'm eating bread right now, but I went through phases for a year or two where I didn't touch a single crumb, and I felt great. Everything else is just habit or being broke, since bread is the cheapest fuel you can buy.. 🙂
rustymoose54 rustymoose54 Active Member
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joined Jun 2006
#36 ·
mistybear4 said:"Your body doesn't give a damn whether you get your glucose from refined sugar, wheat flour, or an apple. Do you two even grasp that?"

man, it’s pretty obvious you haven't got a clue what you're talking about... 😁

seriously, what kind of comeback is that? zero logic, zero substance... just nothing. ☕
Aaron Gonzalez4 Aaron Gonzalez4 Member
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joined Sep 2004
#37 ·
mistybear4 said:Way to go, you might actually stumble onto a logical conclusion eventually... 🙂
Look, you're right—plant fibers swell up in your stomach, create volume, and basically trick you into feeling full so you don't overeat. But here's the kicker: whole grain bread actually HAS those fibers, while white bread has absolutely zero. So, what’s the point? There's zero nutritional value—no real energy boost—so why bother eating it just to fill your gut?

Exactly. That white bread is specifically marketed to people who need fewer calories so they don't end up turning all those monosaccharides into fat reserves (aka "not getting fat"). I mean, seriously, do I need to draw you a diagram? Do you need a freaking pie chart to get this? 😵
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active Member
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joined Nov 2007
#38 ·
rustymoose54 said:Sorry, but what kind of response is that? It’s definitely not based on any actual arguments. ☕

I get it, really, but Sandra Hayes88 laid everything out perfectly in her own thread—she broke down all the different types of carbs so clearly that he could have actually read it and learned something, which might have prevented him from making such a ridiculous comment in the first place, you know? I was just letting him know he missed the point, so maybe he should try giving it another read. 😉
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active Member
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joined Nov 2007
#39 ·
Aaron Gonzalez4 said:That’s exactly it—they market that bread to people looking to cut back on "energy intake" so those monosaccharides don't just end up getting stored as fat (so you "don't get fat"), though I suppose you'd need a whole damn pie chart to actually visualize how that works. 😵

haha, so what exactly are you eating to stay so "inspired"—if we can even call it being smart? 😕 😁

Go ahead, lay it out for me; your thought process is a complete mystery to me... 😁
driftinggull13 driftinggull13 Active Member
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#40 ·
mistybear4 said:Look, I get it, but Sandra Hayes88 actually laid everything out perfectly in her own thread—like, she broke down every single type of carbohydrate possible—so he could have just read that and actually learned something, which would have kept him from making such a ridiculous statement in the first place, you know? ... I was just pointing out that he clearly missed the point (and maybe he should go back and give it another read) ... 😉

I really love your unique way of debating: basically just retyping exactly what I said and then agreeing with me. Real genius work there.
What the person at McDonald's is saying is spot on; it's not inherently unhealthy, but obviously, if you overdo it, you're asking for trouble. Go drink 10 liters of water and tell me if that's healthy.
By the way, I personally can't stand McDonald's so I don't eat there, but I don't eat kale either, so I'm not going to sit here preaching about how bad it is.

I especially loved that little gem, "it seems like nothing is clear to you."
Har! Har! Har! as Mataković would say. And just imagine who's actually saying it...
Anyway, buddy, Donatella and I are experts in the exact same field, so I don't even need to read what she wrote—I already know it, unlike a self-proclaimed expert like yourself. It’s because of people like you that I felt the need to repeat everything in a much simpler way, because for folks like you, repeating things a thousand times still isn't enough.

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