Bread consumption habits

mistybear4 said:Look, I get it, but Sandra Hayes88 actually laid everything out perfectly in her own thread—like, she broke down every single type of carb imaginable—so he could’ve just read it and actually learned something... if he had. Then he comes out with a statement like *that*? It wouldn't even cross his mind if he'd been paying attention, you know what I mean?... I was just letting him know he missed the point (maybe try reading it again, seriously)... 😉

driftinggull13 has a PhD in chemistry. Me too.

What he said about carbs—that all complex carbs we eat eventually turn into glucose that hits your bloodstream—is spot on.

To put it simply:

So, you have a coffee sweetened with regular sugar—sucrose breaks down into fructose and glucose, and that glucose goes straight into your blood. You eat something with starch, like bread, and that starch breaks down into glucose. You drink milk—lactose turns into glucose (plus galactose). You eat an apple—again, glucose and fructose.

All that glucose triggers a response from a (healthy) pancreas—it pumps out insulin, which is the hormone that lets the glucose enter your cells so it can burn for energy. If you don't use it for fuel, it gets stored as fat.

Claiming that bread is "useless" or "harmful" just because it provides glucose and triggers an insulin response is honestly kind of stupid. We all need energy—even when we're sleeping and not moving a muscle. It’s really just a question of how much energy, or food, we actually need based on how much we're burning.

You can still gain weight eating whole foods (brown sugar, whole wheat bread, whatever). It all comes down to whether your total calories in are higher than what you're burning.

"Your body doesn't care if that glucose comes from refined sugar, white flour, or an apple. Do you two actually grasp that? "

Look, I was moving too fast to catch the trap in your statement... you were putting all the emphasis on the word GLUCOSE, weren't you? 😁
I'm no chemist, but certain claims just rub me the wrong way—like this comparison you made between white flour and an apple, which I reacted to a bit too quickly. 🙂

As for McDonald's, the issue there is how they engineer specific habits in people, really unhealthy ones; what irritates me most is how they use those polished tactics—the clowns, the birthday parties—to hook kids so they can raise them to be lifelong customers, and someone stuck with a diet centered around McDonald's is basically living on borrowed time. 😠

rustymoose54 said:driftinggull13 has a PhD in chemistry. I do too.

what they said about carbohydrates—that all the complex carbs we eat eventually break down into glucose that enters the bloodstream—is spot on.

to put it simply:

if you drink coffee sweetened with regular sugar, you're getting fructose and glucose from the sucrose, and that glucose heads straight into your blood. if you eat something starchy, like a slice of sourdough, that starch breaks down into glucose. drink milk, and the lactose turns into glucose (and galactose). eat an apple, and you're back to glucose and fructose again.

all that glucose triggers a response from a healthy pancreas, which releases insulin—the hormone that lets glucose enter your cells to be burned for energy. if it isn't used for fuel, it just gets stored as fat.

claiming that bread is useless or harmful just because it provides glucose and triggers an insulin response is pretty misguided. we all need energy, even when we're sleeping and barely moving. it really just comes down to how much energy, or food, we actually need based on how much we burn.

you can still gain weight eating unrefined foods (like brown sugar or whole grain bread) if your total calorie intake exceeds what you burn.

fine, I’ve already admitted my mistake (is there anyone else here actually self-critical? .. 😁 )

the energy issue is also tied to calories, and if we can get the same amount of energy from food that's lower in calories, that’s obviously the better way to go... a single slice of toast is roughly 150 calories.. 😕

I know that the carbs in our food have to be digested first, after which they become GLUCOSE in the blood, traveling to muscle cells to be stored in "tanks"—basically fuel reservoirs. those stored supplies in the muscle cells are called glycogen.
during the first 20 minutes of exercise, we're burning through carbohydrates. it's only after that 20-minute mark that both carbs and fats start being utilized together.
we can't burn fat on its own; without carbohydrates, we can't burn fat.
when someone hits a wall or collapses, it means they've completely run out of carbohydrates (the tank is totally empty).

it's vital to learn how to choose QUALITY CARBOHYDRATES, and telling someone it doesn't matter how they get their glucose isn't exactly doing them any favors... 🙂

ps: thanks for the simplified breakdown, it might actually help some people.. 🙂

rustymoose54 said:driftinggull13 holds a PhD in chemistry. I do too.

🙂 Honestly, let’s not go throwing those fancy titles around—it's a bit much! In this corner of the internet, credentials don't carry any weight at all; if anything, acting like an academic might actually tank your reputation here. 😉

rustymoose54 said:driftinggull13 has a PhD in chemistry. So do I.

The logic just isn't clicking for us. It seems like chemists, biochemists, biologists, food scientists, and nutritionists are all completely clueless. Apparently, you need to be a civil engineer to be considered a legitimate dietary advisor. 🙂 🙄 🙄 🙄

Sarah Gomez52 said:It’s like nobody gets how this works—chemists, biologists, nutritionists, food scientists... they might as well be talking to a wall. Apparently, you need to be a structural engineer to get any real dietary advice around here.🙂 🙄 🙄 🙄

I honestly can't wrap my head around what kind of food could actually help you. 😕

Have you tried just sucking on a straw? 👍 😁

If we can pull the exact same amount of energy from food while actually consuming fewer calories—it’s a total no-brainer, obviously—then that is definitely the way to go.

I am officially putting forward Mr. McPropovjednik for a Nobel Prize. Though, honestly, I’m stumped on which category he’d even fit into... 🤔 Medicine? Economics? Or perhaps just Pure Stupidity?

look nimbledriver81, your diet is absolute trash—and honestly, that’s probably why you're totally missing the point of this whole architectural philosophy movement, you know, the one started by mistybear4

the whole vibe of the movement is actually centered around nutrition advice... weird, right?

it's giving me total Ionesco vibes🤣

🤣 Honestly, this health forum has turned into the most entertaining corner of the internet... and hey, laughter is good for you—as we all know! Though, I can't help but wonder just how much junk food one would have to consume to burn off all those calories spent laughing.

Hey mistybear4, look, I appreciate you being self-critical here—it keeps us from having to go too hard on you—but honestly, that whole statement just doesn't make any sense...

"energy issues are also linked to calorie intake, and if we can get the same amount of energy from food that has fewer calories, then that's definitely the way to go... plus, a slice of bread is about 150 calories"

If a food item has more calories, it produces more energy.
Food with fewer calories can only produce less energy, it's physically impossible for it to be the same (that's literally why we call them "high-calorie" foods in the first place)

ooo, looks like driftinggull13 finally made it out to the desert! 🎉

Kumek said:Look, mistybear4, I appreciate the self-awareness, really, it keeps us from being too harsh on you, but your logic here just doesn't hold water:

"The energy problem is also tied to calorie intake, so if we can get the same amount of energy from food that has fewer calories, then that's definitely the way to go... and a slice of bread is about 150 calories."

If food has more calories, it produces more energy.
Food with fewer calories can only produce less energy; it can't possibly produce the same amount—that’s literally why we call them "low-calorie."

Fair enough, my brain is starting to fog over and I completely missed the point of what I was actually trying to say... which is that since we have to consume calories for energy anyway, we might as well pay attention to the nutritional profile of what we're eating, making sure we pick up essential nutrients like vitamins, minerals, fiber, proteins, and unsaturated fats instead of just loading up on "empty calories" from a piece of white bread. 🙂

mistybear4 said:I honestly can't figure out what kind of food would actually help you. 😕

Have you tried using a straw? 👍 😁

That's my favorite!
High in fiber, huge portions, low calorie—and according to your theory, probably loaded with energy too!!!🤣

rustymoose54 said:Kumek's got a PhD in chemistry. I do too.

Man, MacG really got under your skin with that one, didn't he...

I’m just wondering if there’s some secret club for chemists to gang up on people in the health subforum—like they all meet up to coordinate who's going to start nitpicking next? Last week it was that guy from Time, and now we've got this patient... maybe it's the same group...

Rachel Brooks63 said:Man, MacG really got under your skin if that's what you were trying to say...

Honestly, he didn't get me that worked up, not even close...

I just can't help but brag about my 🙂 😎

And hey, after all those girls with Master's degrees he was calling "research scientists" or whatever—whatever, man...

plus, I'm still not even officially a scientist myself.

rustymoose54 said:Anyway, I still haven't officially become a scientist yet.

I saw you posting that outside of the thread about optics—caught me a little off guard, honestly. But hey, you're totally right to say that...

rustymoose54 said:It’s not like I was actually that rattled by it,

rather, I just wanted to flex my title 🙂 😎

especially since he went around calling all those master's students actual scientists, so whatever.

For the record, I'm still far from being one myself.

Haha, your little title doesn't move the needle for me; you'd have better luck bragging about what you're waving around instead... 🙂 😁

PS: Don't go grasping at straws here; there are plenty of scientists out there (and I wasn't even talking about her)... 😎

mistybear4 said:lol, okay, your little title doesn't exactly blow my mind... maybe try bragging about whatever you're waving around instead.. 🙂 😁

ps: don't go grasping at straws here—there are plenty of scientists out there (wasn't even talking about her specifically) .. 😎

well, newsflash, I wasn't trying to impress *you*—I was aiming for everyone else 😁

and honestly? just wanted to make it clear that you're talking to people who actually, you know, KNOW THE TERMINOLOGY... unlike you

P.S. seriously, based on that little comment in your P.S., you basically deserve a ban

Nutritionists, can someone confirm if it's true that refined carbs—say, a donut or white bread with Nutella and coffee with sugar—give you that quick energy spike, but then leave you feeling hungry and wiped out just thirty minutes later?
If you go with a bowl of brown rice and veggies instead (complex carbs), does that provide more steady, long-lasting energy and satiety while actually feeding you nutrients and fiber?

Another thing: since complex carbs are loaded with fiber, they help keep things moving regularly, whereas a diet heavy on refined carbs might cause constipation due to the lack of fiber, right?

And refined sugar is basically addictive and ruins your teeth, isn't it?

124 ways sugar is wrecking your health

I should probably mention that the issue isn't raw cane sugar itself; people who eat actual cane sugar don't usually deal with these issues. It’s the refined sugar extracted from the cane that causes the trouble, because at that point, it's essentially just a chemical.

Is it actually true that if you stop eating bread, you'll end up in the hospital?

Thanks.

I’d give you an answer (again!), but my glasses are just way too big right now and I can barely even see the monitor... plus they're stiff, so there's no way I can just squeeze them onto my face for a bit

Maybe that guy mcpropovjednik has some kind of fix for my glasses situation? Seems like he's pretty obsessed with the topic anyway

But seriously: you've already been answered on this more times than I can count

Like, look at this right here:

Kumek said:In those whole-grain breads, there's a part made of fiber that doesn't get digested (mostly cellulose—which, by the way, is also a glucose polymer just like starch or glycogen). Because of that, the bread actually has a lower caloric value which makes you feel fuller (since your stomach is physically full), but provides less energy for your body—what vets call "bulk feed"—so you don't pack on the weight as much.