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Elizabeth Barnes47 Elizabeth Barnes47 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Apr 2007
#641 ·
In all the rush of getting ready for my trip, I realized I completely forgot to mention an important step: after soaking in the nettle infusion (essentially boiled nettle water), you really need to rinse your skin off and apply a cream. In my experience, a calendula cream works wonders. I was dealing with skin on my elbows that was actually cracking and bleeding, but after just a few days of using the nettle soak, everything healed up, and I haven't seen any new cracks since. I’ve only been doing this for about two weeks myself, and things are looking up, so I’ll make sure to check back here and update everyone on how the therapy is progressing and what changes I'm seeing. One quick heads-up for those who might not know: nettles are toxic if ingested, so please don't drink the infusion—you could end up quite sick. Just be careful with what you use to boil them. As far as bathing goes, though, there's no need to worry; you won't get poisoned through skin contact. 😉
Robert Clark2 Robert Clark2 Active Member
121 messages
joined Apr 2008
#642 ·
Elizabeth Barnes47 said:I was traveling and totally forgot to mention this! After soaking in the nettle tea (basically boiled nettles), you really have to rinse off and apply some cream. Calendula cream is hands down the best. I had skin cracking and bleeding at my elbow creases, but after just a few days of soaking, everything healed up and the cracks stopped coming back. I’ve only been doing this for two weeks myself, and things are looking up! I'll keep posting here to let everyone know how the therapy goes and what changes I see. Also, just a heads-up for those who don't know—nettles are toxic! You can't drink them because they can poison you, so be careful with what you boil them in. But for bathing? No worries there, you won't get poisoned through your skin. 😉

🙂 OK, thanks for the correction. It's definitely good to know that even the berries from the nettle plant are TOXIC.
Michael Ramos3 Michael Ramos3 Active Member
196 messages
joined Apr 2007
#643 ·
Hey there.
I’m suggesting just one way to look at this. If you’ve already cycled through most of the options out there, just take a few months to try what my father developed.
Look, if I’m lying, all you’ve lost is a couple of months and a tiny bit of cash; you'll still have the rest of your life to try whatever else people tell you about. But if it actually works... well, what then?
Just think about it. Thinking isn't a crime.
For what it's worth, I've been dealing with my own health struggles since I was seven—had a major hip surgery back then—so I've spent my whole life carrying my own cross, with varying degrees of success.

With faith in Bog,
Casey Miller9 Casey Miller9 Member
44 messages
joined Jan 2008
#644 ·
Elizabeth Barnes47 said:Look, miss sunshine, I think your recipe is solid, but I actually picked up another one a few days ago—and get this, its base is also WILD IVY. Basically, you boil some wild ivy (like a handful of leaves per quart of water) for about 10-15 minutes. Then, you soak the affected areas with the warm water for an hour, both morning and night. You should try to use the younger leaves and, if possible, always make it fresh. Honestly, after just a couple of days, the improvement is insane. I’ve even met people who were IZLEČENI using this method in just a month—though some took longer because they weren't disciplined and kept skipping sessions or cutting the soaking time short. Wild ivy is everywhere, it's free, so just use it... trust me, you won't be disappointed. I've only been doing it for a few days and my scaling is already gone and my skin is looking pink. Most importantly? The itching is gone.

But how do you even soak something like your face for an hour? Like, do you put a cloth over it or just wash with it? An hour seems like way too long—explain the soaking part a bit more.
Grace Green6 Grace Green6 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2007
#645 ·
Maybe using some "tufkat" (lol, what even is that word?) cream on the face for a while might help...
Michael Ramos3 Michael Ramos3 Active Member
196 messages
joined Apr 2007
#646 ·
I was replying to a PM the other day, so I figured I'd just post part of my response here for everyone to see.

My father’s ointment worked wonders for childhood eczema, though predicting anything with eczema is tricky since it can clear up overnight on its own anyway.

When diluted, even though it’s still incredibly greasy and has a heavy scent, it permanently wipes out even the most stubborn dandruff within 15 days. I tried it myself because after I quit smoking four years ago, I developed terrible dandruff and recently started getting seborrhea around the edges of my face. My scalp had this thick patch about 2 cm wide—and I mean 2 cm—where if you started scratching, you'd end up with flakes all over the room. My head is completely clear now, and I just use the cheapest, nameless shampoo from the local drugstore.

We tested the ointment on Vitiligo (where there aren't structural changes to the skin, just loss of pigment, resulting in large white patches). In that case, we saw almost no effect, other than some itching at the edges of the spots and maybe slight irritation. Luckily, the girl was very young.

Summary: the ointment works on skin conditions involving structural changes (thickening, scaling, cracking), but it doesn't do much for conditions that only involve color changes.
Elizabeth Barnes47 Elizabeth Barnes47 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2007
#647 ·
Casey Miller9, I completely agree—an hour feels like forever, especially when you have to get ready for work in the morning. That’s why I decided to cut my morning soak down to just thirty minutes, while keeping the evening session at a full hour. Honestly, I think using gauze might be your best bet. You can soak it and then gently glide it over the affected areas. Having dealt with psoriasis for five years now, I’ve wasted so much money on various creams like Psorcutan, Belosalic, and countless other bases... I even spent about $1,100 on those specialized fish treatments for a month, which helped a little, but only briefly. After that, I decided I wasn't going to spend another dime on any random cream. It all feels like a total rip-off. A man I know from the South, who had psoriasis covering his entire body, suggested ivy to me. When I saw him earlier this month after we hadn't met in ages, I was honestly shocked. His hands used to be so scaly that his nails were actually lifting away from his skin. He swore by ivy, and I believe him. If someone tried to send me some free cream from Denmark, Germany, or wherever else, there’s no way I’d put it on my skin. Psoriatic skin is so damaged and dry that sometimes a cream alone just can't soften it enough. For me, this ivy treatment has been a lifesaver. I started soaking back on April 10th, and I can already see a difference. I used to be peeling twice a day, but now it’s only every three days—and even then, the flakes are so thin they're barely noticeable. It might be too early to talk about being IZLEČEN, since I'll need about three months to see the full effect, but I’m staying the course.
Casey Miller9 Casey Miller9 Member
44 messages
joined Jan 2008
#648 ·
Elizabeth Barnes47 said:Casey Miller9>, an hour feels way too long for me too—especially when I’ve gotta get to work in the morning. So, I cut my morning soak down to thirty minutes, but I still stick to the full hour in the evening. Honestly, maybe you should try using gauze? Just soak it and gently wipe it over the psoriasis spots. Look, I've been dealing with this for 5 years and I've wasted so much money on creams (Psorcutan, Belosalic, various bases...) and even spent like $1,000 on those fish treatments in Guadalajara for a month. Those fish actually helped the most, but only for a little while. Now? I'm done. I'm not spending another dime on some overpriced cream. It's all just a massive rip-off. Some guy I know from the South who had psoriasis all over his body told me about ivy. When I saw him earlier this month after we hadn't met in forever, I was floored. His hands used to be so scaly his nails were literally peeling off. He swore by the ivy, and I believe him. If someone tried to send me some random cream from Denmark, Germany, or wherever for free right now, there's no way I'm putting it on my skin. Psoriasis ruins the skin—it's so dry and cracked that a regular cream can't even soften it enough. That's why this ivy thing is my saving grace. I started soaking on April 10th and I can already see a difference. I used to be peeling twice a day, and now it's only every three days. And the flakes are so thin you can barely even see them. It's probably too early to talk about being IZLEČEN, since I need about 3 months, but I'm sticking with it.

Way to go, just keep at it. And thanks. BTW, this isn't even for me—it's for my son. According to his last dermatologist, he doesn't have psoriasis, it's actually atopic dermatitis. Those two are basically siblings, though both the pediatrician and I are still a bit skeptical if that's really what it is. We're heading in for a skin biopsy in about 20 days, so then we'll know for sure.
Michael Ramos3 Michael Ramos3 Active Member
196 messages
joined Apr 2007
#649 ·
Elizabeth Barnes47;8264687 said:. I've dealt with psoriasis for five years now and wasted a fortune on various creams (Psorcutan, Belosalic, basic ointments...). I spent a month doing fish therapy and burned through 1000 dollars—those fish actually helped me the most, but only briefly. Now, I’ve decided I'm not spending another cent on any cream. It's all just a scam. A guy I know from the South, who had psoriasis covering his entire body, told me about using ivy. When I saw him earlier this month, I was shocked. His hands used to be so scaly that his nails were practically lifting off his fingers. He swore by the ivy, and I believe him. If someone tries to send me some fancy cream from Denmark, Germany, or wherever else for free, there's no way I'm putting it on my skin. Psoriatic skin is too damaged and cracked; a cream alone can't soften it enough. For me, this ivy is the lifeline.

I'm glad you're thinking this way. It shows you still have the grit needed to actually heal yourself. If I understand the point of forums like this correctly—which is to exchange experiences rather than lecture people—then that's why I'm replying to you.
You've had this for five years, but don't dismiss the perspective of people who have lived with it for 30 or 40 years. Regarding the fish therapy, you really should have looked for someone with more experience since those treatments are pricey; the whole idea with the fish is just to nibble away at the top layer of the psoriasis. I mentioned this in previous posts, but my father had a crazy idea to just remove the entire patch of skin where the psoriasis was located—not quite down to the bone, but close—by essentially burning it off with salicylic acid. Once the wound healed, the patch came right back in the exact same spot and the exact same size. I'm all for trying ivy, but let's be real: we're talking about temporarily stripping the scales away. It's an illusion. Once you stop, it comes back. We aren't talking about a cure here.
Don't shut every other door permanently. Use the ivy as much as you want, but eventually, make up your mind to try something else too.

Regards
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
96 messages
joined Aug 2007
#650 ·
Michael Ramos3 said:I HAVE A REMEDY FOR A PERMANENT CURE.


You don't have one—plain and simple—because psoriasis is a chronic condition. So, please, let's stop with the self-promotion; it’s strictly against the rules here on this forum.

The actual root cause of psoriasis lies in "faulty" genes. Now, if you've truly stumbled upon a way to rewrite genetic code, 🙏 🙏 🙏 we'll be sitting right here waiting for the peer-reviewed scientific papers—and honestly, we're just dying to congratulate you on the Nobel Prize you're clearly about to collect.
Casey Miller9 Casey Miller9 Member
44 messages
joined Jan 2008
#651 ·
nimbledriver81 said:
You don't have it—psoriasis is a chronic condition. So seriously, quit the self-promotion; it's against the rules on this forum.

The whole thing is caused by "broken" genes. If you actually figured out how to fix those, 🙏 🙏 🙏 we’d be waiting for the scientific papers and congratulating you on the Nobel Prize you're basically about to win.

hmmm, maybe they are advertising, I won't get into that, but saying broken genes are to blame isn't right—if that were true, someone would've fixed them already.
Lawrence Ramirez3 Lawrence Ramirez3 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2009
#652 ·
Casey Miller9 said:hmm, maybe they're just running an ad, I won't get into that, but saying faulty genes are to blame isn't right—if that were true, they would've fixed them by now.

I don't want to be that guy, but I actually think the whole genetic thing holds water. A few years back, some Swedish researchers posted on a medical portal that it’s definitely down to genetics—they even pinpointed specific chromosomes, though I can't quite remember which ones 😕. It's like how Brits found out neurodermatitis is a genetic glitch rather than just stress, which is what everyone used to believe. I came across a study once that basically said the more "broken" or "sick" genes you have, the harder psoriasis hits. It all makes sense if you think about it...
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
96 messages
joined Aug 2007
#653 ·
Casey Miller9 said:Hmm, maybe they're just pushing an ad—I won't get bogged down in that—but this idea that faulty genes are the sole culprit? It just doesn't hold water. If that were the case, we would have fixed them all by now.


Man, if fixing genetic code were as simple as swapping out a burnt-out lightbulb, we’d be living in a sci-fi utopia by now...
But let's be real: scientists have spent decades—decades!—just trying to wrap their heads around how different diseases actually work. You might be forgetting (or perhaps you just didn't realize) that we only figured out the structure of DNA about 50 years ago! Only after that did we even begin to understand that certain segments are genes and so on, and so forth.
Science has made massive leaps since then, truly incredible strides, but unfortunately, we aren't quite at the stage where we can just "patch" broken genes yet. Sadly.
Michael Ramos3 Michael Ramos3 Active Member
196 messages
joined Apr 2007
#654 ·
I’d love for nimbledriver81 to try my ointment. It takes anywhere from 20 days to maybe 3 months to see results. As for the money aspect, honestly, I think paying for high-speed broadband in the States costs us way more than my cream does, not to mention all the other useless junk we waste money on daily. If people want to make claims, they should at least be certain. Right now, he should just say he *thinks* I don't have the product, or maybe he thinks I do... whatever.

There are only two reasons why I charge for this cream.

First... in this day and age, if you give someone something for free—unless it's a massive material gift like a car, jewelry, a house, or drugs—they won't value it. They won't even believe it works, and they'll toss it in the trash at the first opportunity.

Second... which follows the first point. Even I can't find anything for nothing. Sure, you can pick things up in nature, but then you need a car to get there, a place to dry things, a kitchen to cook them, a spot to squeeze them, more cooking, etc. All of that costs me money. If my kids weren't charging for their medicine, it would cost exactly enough to cover expenses and not a single cent more. You aren't buying chocolate through a prescription; if I wanted it to be that cheap, it would cost about as much as those little snack fish people were talking about on the forum the other day.

Picture this: an ultra-high-end clinic opens up in Washington, D.C. They spend $50,000 a month on advertising, claim they cure psoriasis 100%, and the treatment costs $2,000. I bet everyone would start scraping together savings immediately to afford that treatment.

The most decisive members of this forum have already picked up the ointment, and I hope they've started using it. So, let's wait a little longer, God willing, and hopefully, they'll be the ones doing the talking instead of me.

WITH FAITH IN BOG
BEST REGARDS
Michael Ramos3 Michael Ramos3 Active Member
196 messages
joined Apr 2007
#655 ·
Just adding my two cents here.
Nobody actually knows what causes this or what triggers the disease. There’s basically no answer to what psoriasis even *is*, other than being an autoimmune condition where skin cells regenerate 4.5 times faster in certain spots, creating those patches. Have you heard the theories from modern scientists suggesting psoriasis also creates lesions on internal parts of the body, like the mucous membranes and so on?
We don't know—or rather, they don't know—almost anything. It's the same for me; I have no clue how or what my ointment actually does, but I know it works. It clears up whatever shows up on my skin and gets rid of the fallout—the itching, the scaling, the cracking.
If it turns out one day that psoriasis is something deeper than just a visual thing, and the ointment doesn't fix that underlying issue, then fine. There might not be a theoretical "true cure," but you still have the ointment to wipe away the visible marks so a person can function normally in society without the itching and pain.

Genetics? I think it’s all genetics. Even catching the flu depends on your DNA. You inherit a weak immune system, and you catch every single flu and cold that goes around.
As Hriscans, we don't call it genetics; we call it original sin. Easterners call it karma.
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
96 messages
joined Aug 2007
#656 ·
Michael Ramos3 said:I would really love for nimbledriver81 to give my ointment a shot—it’s honestly been such a game-changer! him

nimbledriver81 doesn't suffer from psoriasis!
Actually—just to clear the air—nimbledriver81 isn't even a guy!
Honestly, nimbledriver81—use a little bit of that brainpower! Just a tiny bit!
I have this nagging little fear—just a tiny, persistent worry, really—that you’re going to end up having to sell your special ointment to someone else entirely! It’s almost like watching a master chef realize their signature recipe is too good for just one restaurant... I can just see it happening!

We Americans—well, specifically us Christians—don't really call it genetics; we tend to view it more as an inherited sin.

🙏 🙏 🙏 Holy cow! Why is it that some people end up battling cancer, others struggle with psoriasis, and some just get hit with all sorts of random ailments? It’s the ultimate mystery, isn't it? And how on earth would you even try to explain a theory like that to someone who doesn't believe in the divine? I know, I know—it's a tough sell—and besides, God is a Mexican... 🙄
Chris Morgan67 Chris Morgan67 Member
49 messages
joined Jul 2007
#657 ·
nimbledriver81 said:🙏 🙏 🙏 My goodness! If that were true, why do some people get cancer, others get psoriasis, and some get something else entirely? And how would you even explain your theory to non-believers? I know, I know, God is on our side... 🙄

Oh, darling😘
Does someone close to you have psoriasis? How are they managing?...
Robert Clark2 Robert Clark2 Active Member
121 messages
joined Apr 2008
#658 ·
Casey Miller9 said:hmm, maybe he's just pushing an ad, I won't get into that, but saying faulty genes are the culprit? That's just not right. If that were true, we would have fixed them by now.

😵 It’s actually those broken genes on Chromosome 3—the third largest one with 214 million base pairs—where a ton of disease genes are mapped, including the ones linked to psoriasis. To me, psoriasis is this mix of genetic predisposition that gets triggered by stress, whether it's one big blowout or a bunch of smaller hits, over and over again. Modern medicine is basically hitting a brick wall here, which is exactly what we're seeing play out.
It's common knowledge that not everyone in a family gets psoriasis; it hits certain individuals, regardless of who else dealt with it before.
I don't think Michael Ramos3 was just running an ad, but I definitely think he mixed up religion with actual medicine.
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
96 messages
joined Aug 2007
#659 ·
Chris Morgan67 said:Oh, honey,😘
does anyone close to you deal with psoriasis? How are they holding up?

My sister. She’s hanging in there... though it feels like she's being buried alive by it. Her spine has taken a massive hit too—she's popping handfuls of pills just to get through the day...
By some absolute miracle, her bloodwork is 👍 and she tries her best to eat healthy or stay active.

I actually had a patch on my elbow about three years ago—way too much stress back then—but it cleared right up. For her, though, it's flared up all over her body.

I don't think Michael Ramos3 was trying to promote himself, but I definitely think he mixed up religion with medicine.


Look, I’m a believer—really, I am—and I truly believe in miracles and divine healing.
But what are we supposed to do with the skeptics? How do you heal them? Not everyone finds strength in prayer.
Michael Ramos3 Michael Ramos3 Active Member
196 messages
joined Apr 2007
#660 ·
I’m a religious person—a believer. Because of that, my views and stances are inevitably colored by my faith. I don't see anything wrong with that, just like I don't see anything wrong with someone being an atheist (as they call themselves).
I also believe that having FAITH in self-healing is enough to get a person better. It all comes down to faith—faith in whatever process leads us toward our goal.
Regarding "advertising," look, if I have something to say, or something I’ve discovered or seen, I’m going to say it. As soon as you mention doing things "publicly," people start labeling it as advertising. So what, should we all just stay silent? If I say I was in San Francisco and met a guy named Peru, who knows Mika, who makes a sunscreen that tans you instantly... fine. By saying that, I'm "advertising" Peru, Mika, and their product.

Since the internet is a global thing, I want to make my position clear: I don't feel like a guest here on this forum. I reserve my right to not respond to nimbledriver81 because she starts bringing up where God comes from, and that's completely off-topic for this board.

Please bear with me. I'm hoping some of the long-time members of this forum will start posting more frequently than I do soon.

Again,

With faith in Bog,

Regards,

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