2013 British Grand Prix at Indianapolis (June 30th)

Brian Campbell36 said:He’s gone... completely off the grid.☕

It was all easy enough to peddle empty promises back when he was profiting from everyone else's misfortune, but now? Now he deserves to feel the bitter sting of defeat just like the rest of us.

How many times did Sebastian Vettel actually benefit from someone else's bad luck? And more importantly, how often have the rest of the field capitalized on Sebastian Vettel's own disasters?

Edward Howard2 said:Now that he's smashed that record, we can pretty much say Kimi is finally evolving from a wild card into a tactical driver. He's starting to look more like Jenson Button and way less like his hero James Hunt.

Congrats! You actually nailed the prediction for this race, unlike last time.

Man, I nailed the last one too, you just didn't want to admit it. 🙂

Do you suppose he's starting to resemble Fernando Alonso, that relentless point-collector?

Edward Howard2 said:Now that he's smashed that record, we can pretty much say Kimi is finally evolving from a wild card into a tactical driver. He's starting to look more like Jenson Button and way less like his hero James Hunt.

Congrats! You actually nailed the prediction for this race, unlike last time.

Man, I nailed the last one too, you just didn't want to admit it. 🙂

No, you didn't. That has been proven time and time again.

Three weeks ago, we were celebrating that win in Canada. Yesterday, it was pure chaos after losing the lead on a technicality.

Eyes wide open.

graniteharbor502 said:If his performance on track starts to suffer, then I will gladly concede the point to you. However, looking at how he drove yesterday, I didn't see any sign that he had mentally cracked. He was controlling the race from the front once again, and most likely would have secured the win if it weren't for that gearbox failure.

Sure, you've got a deal. I'm saving this post for later. 🙂

Nico was actually putting on quite a show and closing the gap—who knows, maybe that gearbox failure actually saved him from being caught. 😁

little loser said:Spot on, kid. He isn't "the legend," and he never will be—not in terms of championships, and certainly not in total wins. There’s only one true GOAT. That kind of gritty, powerhouse racing character? It only comes around once in a millennium.☕

He couldn't care less about Seb. Despite being German, Seb is really just a spoiled little brat—a total daddy's boy.

spoiled—that's the first word that comes to mind.😁

And that attitude is going to cost him dearly.

Plus, all this selfishness and this fake "underdog" persona he puts on? It’s all manufactured, unfortunately.

"I was on the verge of calling the race. I can't say whether one or two more tire failures would have been enough to pull that trigger, but it was certainly weighing on my mind," the Formula 1 race director revealed, adding: "We've never seen a situation like this with the tires before. We've had other reasons for drivers having to retire or pit for repairs, but this level of tire chaos is unprecedented in the history of Formula 1. It’s too early to draw definitive conclusions, but the FIA must investigate Pirelli's tires following these failures."

Everyone sees what's happening, yet it seems nobody is lifting a finger to actually fix it. Honestly, why doesn't the FIA just grant all teams three days of testing? That might actually solve this nightmare of tire blowouts. If Pirelli fails to improve their products, Charlie Whiting has already hinted at the possibility of race cancellations. The circus just keeps rolling on. 👋

Jason Campbell70 said:Three weeks ago, we were celebrating that win in Canada. Yesterday, it was pure chaos after losing the lead on a technicality.

Eyes wide open.

Look, that’s just a bonus track in this narrative—it’s essentially a consequence (among other things), or rather, a direct payout for how he conducted himself in Malaysia.

People aren't idiots, 😁

To me, the biggest indicator of his sheer instability was actually those two driving errors back during the Canada race.

Jerry Rogers6 said:Sure, you've got a deal. I'm saving this post for later. 🙂

Nico was actually putting on quite a show and closing the gap—who knows, maybe that gearbox failure actually saved him from being caught. 😁

Actually, I don't think that's quite right. On that final lap before his retirement, Sebastian Vettel was running a lap approximately four tenths faster than the pace before:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...g#.UdFKzNhc2bg

Of course, one has to consider that Sebastian Vettel was likely managing his tires to some degree. Honestly, I find it hard to believe that Nico Rosberg would have managed to overtake him, especially when you consider the fact that Mark Webber was breathing down his neck at the very end of the race.

Shouldn't this thread be locked already? Just sayin' 🤷

Since we're starting to see all these pointless arguments popping up that have absolutely nothing to do with this topic...

Jerry Rogers6 said:Sure, you've got a deal. I'm saving this post for later. 🙂

Nico was actually putting on quite a show and closing the gap—who knows, maybe that gearbox failure actually saved him from being caught. 😁

Or maybe Sebastian Vettel just dialed it back... after the SC around lap 5 or 6, he had pulled a 4-second lead over Nico Rosberg, but then Nico started making up ground. Interestingly, the lap right before retiring, Sebastian clocked a lap that was 0.4 seconds faster.
Looking at how he managed each stint, Sebastian always seemed to find more consistency toward the end, whereas Nico Rosberg's times were slowly drifting upward... maybe that was just a final Hail Mary attempt.

graniteharbor502 said:Actually, I don't think that's quite right. On that final lap before his retirement, Sebastian Vettel was running a lap approximately four tenths faster than the pace before:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...g#.UdFKzNhc2bg

Of course, one has to consider that Sebastian Vettel was likely managing his tires to some degree. Honestly, I find it hard to believe that Nico Rosberg would have managed to overtake him, especially when you consider the fact that Mark Webber was breathing down his neck at the very end of the race.

I don't recall the specific last lap, just the general trend and how he was closing the gap.
But he was closing in on 😁

Mark is a whole different story—you can't even compare them. 🙄😁

Jerry Rogers6 said:I don't recall the specific last lap, just the general trend and how he was closing the gap.
But he was closing in on 😁

Mark is a whole different story—you can't even compare them. 🙄😁

Mark also drives for Red Bull Racing, yet he simply isn't the same caliber of driver as Sebastian Vettel. It seems to me that Sebastian Vettel had fresher tires than Nico Rosberg, so there really wasn't any need for him to push quite so hard. Knowing how Sebastian Vettel operates, isn't it highly probable that he was merely preserving his tires for that decisive fastest lap of the race? 😉

To be honest, I think those soft compounds are getting more and more dangerous

If Hamilton—who basically lives to burn through tires—had just one less pit stop than Alonso, he probably would’ve overtaken him a lap or two later.
Looking at the total stops (Nico Rosberg 3, Mark Webber 3, Fernando Alonso 3, Lewis Hamilton 2, Kimi Raikkonen 2, Massa 4), it's pretty clear those two SC periods totally messed with the order. Honestly, Hamilton and Massa wouldn't have even dreamed of finishing 4th or 6th if that second SC hadn't happened. Plus, there were mistakes from others too, not just Kimi, who got passed after the second SC because they didn't go for tires—the most extreme case being Sergio Perez, who I guess tried to nurse that same set to the end, and well, look how that turned out.

One more thing—saying the tire compounds favor the Mercedes and Red Bull cars seems more accurate, while they seem softer on the Lotus and Ferrari.

BTW, how exactly did they pull off that passive DRS on the Lotus? (Technically, I get the concept, but still...)

Edward Howard2 said:I actually thought I’d missed someone earlier, so I went back to rewatch the maestro in action and realized he totally outmaneuvered Hulk in the first lap too, though it didn't look super obvious on the broadcast.

So, here is the full list of drivers who got played in a direct duel with the maestro on track:

1. Hulk
2. Button
3. Romain Grosjean
4. Kimi Raikkonen
5. Romain Grosjean
6. Vettel
7. Lewis Hamilton
8. Button
9. Ricciardo
10. Sutil
11. Kimi Raikkonen

Good God, what a driver. 🙏

Did you see how he just dismantled them? 🙏

Nobody—and I mean absolutely nobody—knows how to toy with slower cars quite like him. Nobody! 🙏

And even less so when he's doing it to guys struggling with absolute garbage tires! 🙏

Sure, maybe there’s someone else out there capable of it, but it doesn't even compare to the maestro. Besides, those other drivers don't have the kind of patient fanbase that would actually bother praising them anyway. 🙏 🙏

It's practically a given. 🙏 🙏 🙏

Olivia Martin12 said:Good God, what a driver. 🙏

Did you see how he just dismantled them? 🙏

Nobody—and I mean absolutely nobody—knows how to toy with slower cars quite like him. Nobody! 🙏

And even less so when he's doing it to guys struggling with absolute garbage tires! 🙏

Sure, maybe there’s someone else out there capable of it, but it doesn't even compare to the maestro. Besides, those other drivers don't have the kind of patient fanbase that would actually bother praising them anyway. 🙏 🙏

It's practically a given. 🙏 🙏 🙏

Since they can't seem to celebrate titles and victories all that often, why not let them enjoy celebrating overtakes on slower cars instead? And whatever you do, please don't accidentally mention that Mark Webber slapped Fernando Alonso.

So

was

it

yesterday

really

with

the tires

?

Pirelli/graining on the edges/both?

Tragic and comic, comic and tragic... what a tragicomic sport this is...

The only thing actually worth mentioning was Lewis Hamilton's brutal pole lap 🙏 he absolutely crushed

I mean, there were a few solid overtakes during the race too—especially in that sprint at the end—even if I honestly couldn't care less

cosmichawk12 said:So

was

it

yesterday

really

with

the tires

?

Pirelli/graining on the edges/both?

Tragic and comic, comic and tragic... what a tragicomic sport this is...

The only thing actually worth mentioning was Lewis Hamilton's brutal pole lap 🙏 he absolutely crushed

I mean, there were a few solid overtakes during the race too—especially in that sprint at the end—even if I honestly couldn't care less

The edges.

Man, it isn't the first time the track itself has basically ruined a race for certain drivers.

Remember Brazil '03.
Only that was an even bigger joke when it came to the tires.

Look, shit happens... what else can you say?

Jerry Rogers6 said:Come on, now you're starting to act just as foolishly as you used to—eventually, we’re going to end up with nothing but a complete mess and constant, nonstop chaos. 😁😁

Did you forget to account for the crowd's reaction when he went off again? Or maybe you did—but honestly, what does that actually prove? It doesn't point toward any real conclusion.
Just take a good, hard look at how he left Horner and the rest of the crew—just look at his face, honestly. You can see it in his body language alone.

I’m telling you—with the way the crowd treats him, he never stood a chance. He wasn't some saintly figure or a grandfatherly type who cared about the masses; frankly, he couldn't have given less of a damn about those ordinary people out there who absolutely loathe him. 😁

And you think he actually cares about whatever it is you're talking about...
He can talk all he wants, but if anyone has shown true composure and stability under pressure in recent races, it's Sebastian Vettel.☕
Webber, Alonso, Hamilton, and Button all lost their cool in situations like that—every single one of them.

Jason Campbell70 said:Three weeks ago, we were celebrating that win in Canada. Yesterday, it was pure chaos after losing the lead on a technicality.

Eyes wide open.

That’s just pure envy. It's what happens when miserable, frustrated people who can't accomplish a single thing in their actual lives decide to lash out and spit on those who actually are
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