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Clones on Alternative and the question of all questions: Am I a clone?

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Participants Sandra Kern37Brenda Gonzalez12Peter Petersonbriskwalker10Arthur Smith15urbangull90Linda Moore51Daniel Davis40Elizabeth Jacksonstormyrider28Jessica Morris6velvetmoose9
Brenda Gonzalez12 Brenda Gonzalez12 Member
45 messages
joined Mar 2017
#21 ·
Ethan Barrett22 said:Alright, I’ve got one more question for everyone, and this one is actually pretty serious:
...blah, blah, blah.

Alright, now for a serious question. What actually goes through the mind of someone who spends their time collecting what they call... He’s got hundreds of posts from users who have him on their ignore lists! Is it just me, or is this guy totally pumping up his clones? It feels like he’s intentionally flooding every single thread with the exact same repetitive mantras just to drown everything else out!

Anyway, let's just leave that whole topic alone and move on...

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Elizabeth Jackson Elizabeth Jackson Member
38 messages
joined Nov 2012
#22 ·
Since the newcomer has already kicked things off and opened up the floor for discussion... Regarding those suspicions... It seems some of our regulars have developed clones of themselves, and apparently, he and his entire circle of brothers feel deeply wounded by anyone daring to point it out. I have some suspicions. And they actually consider that to be some sort of massive sin— The following material provides evidence that... They’re doing the exact same thing, honestly.

U Regarding this post...So, Brenda Gonzalez12 is out here going after Daniel Davis40, claiming he’s some kind of clone. Honestly, the accusations are getting a bit wild, don't you think? It's all quite intense.
So, to get things started... I’d like to officially report Leeni for operating under two different handles within this same thread—specifically using both the Leeni account and the Lorelei account. It feels like a violation of the rules to be playing both sides of the conversation like that. What exactly falls under the prohibition? Or rather, what is off-limits here?

He’s acting like he’s making himself available, isn't he? Or maybe he's just pretending to be reachable... I can't quite tell. ☕

And here we go again, with people accusing everyone else of being nothing more than clones:
Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Oh, wow... It seems a clone has been uncovered.Well, you didn't last very long, did you? After about 200 posts scattered across all those various chat threads, here you are—finally making your grand debut in public.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Honestly, just go grab a smoothie and deal with the consequences—it’s basically weight loss and detoxification rolled into one miserable package. What an absolute joke. Is it really that pathetic? First one, then the second clone....👎😵

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:The fact that this thread doesn't have any active moderation is exactly why things have spiraled this far. Honestly, if we actually had some oversight in place, we wouldn't be facing this mess right now. It seems like nobody even bothers to look at the reports; they just sit there, completely ignored. The clone-paratroopers are dropping in like they own the place....so, I suppose we've officially entered the Wild West.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:And yet, even in a state of total desperation, I find myself compelled to read his posts. Even with those fake accounts, they’re still just sitting there trolling and replying to everything.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Has anyone else noticed that Daniel Davis40 actually writes and responds as if she were being asked the question herself, even though the question was directed at Lorelei? And then she replied using the wrong profile.

Man, Lorelei and Daniel Davis40 are clearly the exact same person!!!

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Do you want me to verify that publicly? Right on the PŽK. I might even check out some other clone accounts while I'm at it.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:I don't see you reporting this to the PŽK or via the report button? Maybe it's because you know they'd actually look into who belongs to whom, who is exchanging what kind of PMs, and what kind of shady business is going on.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:That’s why I told you to head over to the Nutrition subforum, since there are actual experts there. The way you're acting just gives off major clone account vibes.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Don't you realize you've been exposed as a clone? You really messed up there.
Gnuujninestrin, one thing at a time, you are spiraling into the abyss...

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:It feels even more pathetic now, especially after that absolutely brainless post they put out earlier. So, I guess the real question now is whether she’s writing as GNU and Lorelei, or if he’s the one writing as GNU and Lorelei.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Someone seems to have had a bit of a slip-up and was posting from the wrong account, wasn't that right? Gnuujninestrin, I suppose you’ve finally unmasked yourself? Well, there it is. It looks like we’ve finally started exposing ourselves through our own sheer carelessness.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:If we’re following that line of reasoning, then you and Lorelei are actually the exact same person. Look, it really boils down to this: either she’s a submissive little homo, or you are. Maybe both. I guess it's just one or the other at this point.


Even our dear friend Linda Moore51 hasn't held back, throwing around accusations of cloning—though, by some bizarre coincidence, her own writing style and body of work seem to mirror those very claims. Absolutely identical. Arthur Smith15, it seems like Linda Moore51 is writing in all lowercase—though, if you ask me, she’s probably doing it on purpose. 😬

There seems to be an endless stream of accusations floating around lately, suggesting that stormyrider28 is nothing more than a clone of Rorion.
Linda Moore51 said:There’s another one just like it, though they aren't around at the moment. He was hanging out with one of those clones recently, and then they went ahead and banned him.
I mean, let’s be honest—GNU is such a uniquely rare cocktail of sheer stubbornness, total silliness, and pure laziness. It’s almost impressive how they manage to pull all three off at once.

Linda Moore51 said:Oh, please, give me a break. Seriously, don't be ridiculous—even Gnuujninestrin wouldn't buy this for a second.

Linda Moore51 said:I suppose there’s a possibility that both the doctor and the guru were attempting some sort of detoxification through colon cleansing. Maybe that was the angle they were taking. Well, I suppose it looks like Gnu-Rorion almost missed the boat on that one....

Linda Moore51 said:I wanted to take a moment to express my sincere appreciation for the work being done by Klistirka, or perhaps more accurately, GNU-Rorion. Who on earth is actually out here defending their love for that absolute crackpot guru, Elizabeth Jackson?

Linda Moore51 said:Bravo, Gnuujninestrin! That’s what you call love, I suppose...

Linda Moore51 said:Well, there you have it. GNU Rorion Caught in another lie... again.

Linda Moore51 said:GNU RorionHonestly, the things you claim to understand simply don't exist. It’s almost impressive, really—you're so profoundly disconnected from reality that I suppose finding steady employment must be an impossible task for you. That’s just my take on the depth of your understanding, or lack thereof.

Linda Moore51 said:😬Honestly, I have to ask—what exactly would parents even do with that kind of information? It seems a bit misplaced, doesn't it?Let’s take you, for instance, GNU Rorion Or whatever other folks are out there..

Linda Moore51 said:I suppose there isn't much to say here, really. Just a single letter, standing all by itself. It feels almost minimalist, doesn't it? Like a quiet moment before something actually happens. I guess we'll just wait and see what follows. GNU Rorion Or, to put it more succinctly, here is what Elizabeth Jackson wrote:

Linda Moore51 said:If we’re really talking about what defines a "real man," I suppose we have to look past the superficial stuff. It’s easy to get caught up in those loud, aggressive stereotypes you see in movies, but I’ve always felt that true masculinity is a bit more nuanced than that—maybe even quieter. To me, it seems to be less about dominance and more about a certain kind of steady, reliable character. It’s about showing up when things get difficult, being someone people can actually lean on, and having the integrity to do the right thing even when nobody is watching. I guess you could say it’s about strength of character rather than just physical presence. It’s a heavy topic, certainly, but one worth pondering. GNU Rorion He just won't suppress his feelings.

Linda Moore51 said:Let's get moving. GNU Rorion Go get 'em, Elizabeth Jackson...

Linda Moore51 said:Do you all actually realize what kind of "love" we're even talking about here?
GNU Rorion Kudos to them. Truly.

Linda Moore51 said:And now? GNU Rorion So, they're writing about how to maintain a raw food diet...

Linda Moore51 said:I’d go so far as to say I’m willing to bet on it. GNU Rorion I suspect they just won't grasp what's actually happening here...

Linda Moore51 said:Hey gnu-rorione, where exactly does it say that the clone has to be created at the exact same moment you pick your handle?

Linda Moore51 said:Gnuujninestrin, I always knew you were being a total jerk.

Linda Moore51 said:GNU Rorion There’s really no need to feel awkward about it; honestly, in this day and age, it's just become a perfectly normal part of life.

Linda Moore51 said:I find myself unable to agree with that assertion. There is a very real possibility that a doctor or some self-proclaimed wellness guru could cause serious harm during a colon cleanse, simply because... gnu-Rorion It could have gone south...

Linda Moore51 said:GNU RorionHonestly, it feels like your personal doctor and self-appointed guru is just straight-up insulting common sense at this point.

Linda Moore51 said:GNU RorionI mean, honestly, look at the kind of posts you’re putting out about your so-called miracle doctor and guru. It’s pretty obvious you’re just desperate for Elizabeth Jackson to take notice of you, too. I can't say I'm entirely surprised that people are calling you a sycophant.

Linda Moore51 said:I was wondering if one of Elizabeth Jackson's loyalists might be kind enough to give the guru a heads-up? Since he clearly isn't keeping up with our posts, someone probably needs to step in and fill him in. 😬I suppose it’s also the case that... GNU Rorion It looks like they’ve started bolding their text now, much like how they tend to praise it in their own posts.

Linda Moore51 said:just in a single post gnu-Rorion 😬

And there you have it—the very person accusing everyone else of being clones... ☕

It’s quite interesting, isn't it? the irony of people making those accusations when they're the exact same ones hurling the most vicious insults that we've been seeing quoted here constantly over the last few days.
🙂
Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 Member
31 messages
joined Oct 2015
#23 ·
Ethan Brooks59 said:You don't have one, she doesn't have one, but you guys sure are eager to take shots at other people's wives and kids. Or their personal choices. But the moment someone calls you out on it, suddenly you're cranking out six replies in a row—just to play the victim. You aren't living in the 19th century; your behavior is practically sub-human, on par with Homo Erectus.

But since we're actually discussing clones here, let's clear something up: do you honestly think Monism and I are the same person?

Good grief, do you seriously believe children are just some tool used to "call people out"? 🤦
Now it's finally obvious why you were making them up in the first place.

You're the one disrespecting everyone else's life choices (and honestly, how many times are you going to project your own actions onto others?), while we're simply pointing out the blatant inconsistencies and contradictions in your arguments—not to mention the sheer absurdity of dragging this into a thread about nutrition.

If you want an example of actual disrespect toward someone's choices: I’m guessing your professional life is a total wash, considering how much you brag about a wife and kids you've clearly never even seen outside of a tent.

But I didn't say that to you, because I realize not everyone has the luxury—or the goal—of having a decent career.
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Aug 2021
#24 ·
Ethan Barrett22 said:Honestly, if you want to annoy the supermods, just keep starting these kinds of threads; it’s pretty obvious this endless back-and-forth every other day is already getting under their skin. 🙄

The topic at hand... It just won't close. Until everyone finally wakes up to the truth about who’s actually a clone and who isn't, we're all just spinning our wheels.

And all you're left to do is sit there and whine. 🕺
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Aug 2021
#25 ·
Elizabeth Jackson, Daniel Davis40, and stormyrider28, I’m going to need you all to show a little more decorum and act appropriately in my thread; this isn't the Alternative subforum where you can just scribble whatever nonsense pops into your heads.

If you’ve got some grievance regarding how I or anyone else is behaving, feel free to start a whole different thread over on the PŽK boards, though I doubt this will be your first time needing a dedicated space for complaints. This specific discussion is strictly about debunking the lies surrounding clones.😉

And please, stop trying to derail the conversation; it’s pretty obvious you're just trying to get this thread shut down before Nice can actually confirm that we aren't clones.🕺
briskwalker10 briskwalker10 Active Member
121 messages
joined Oct 2020
#26 ·
Richard Ramirez87 said:Notice how this genius is addressing me in the feminine gender too...

😲

I hope you deleted all my dick pics! I was wondering why you weren't responding... 😲
Linda Moore51 Linda Moore51 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Mar 2017
#27 ·
Nicole Johnson20 said:....
You’ve gone out of your way to claim twice now that this is dangerous. Seriously, what exactly is so life-threatening about ten apple pits—or was it apricot? I can't even remember which one it was anymore.

The issue here isn't about ten little apple seeds; the real problem is that they’re hiding behind the supposed authority of scientific studies that don't actually exist and have never been published anywhere. And honestly, Elizabeth Jackson, Dr. Overkill, and Guru—where exactly are these links? I’m sitting here pointing out that these "scientific studies" are non-existent, yet people are still being lied to. They are deceiving sick people, and frankly, that kind of deception is dangerous.

Nicole Johnson20 said:Look, there’s a civilized way to disagree with someone without turning it into a circus. You actually pointed out those non-existent scientific studies and other points you had, which, frankly, made for a much more effective argument than anything else this group has put forward. But instead of having a real conversation, people here have gone absolutely feral—it’s like watching a modern-day witch hunt. Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon, trying to justify things that are honestly beyond condemnation. In my opinion, they’re doing more damage to the very cause they claim to support than anyone else.

Of course there’s a rational way to handle this, but that only works if you're dealing with people who actually have a normal reaction to reality. Ever since I started calling out the absolute nonsense Leeni has been posting—stuff about apple seeds, carrot juice, and human blood—well, Elizabeth Jackson, the local quack, and that self-proclaimed guru have gone completely off the rails. Now they’re trying to pull this pathetic, slippery little act, pretending they weren't the ones writing that garbage in the first place. They can try to play those games with Gnuujninestrin or Rorion and the rest of that crowd if they want, but they aren't going to pull anything on me. Look, excuse my language, but I've been around the block far too many times to let anyone try to sell me a load of crap.

It honestly fascinates me how absolutely nobody from that whole pseudo-alternative crowd could even attempt to take a definitive stand on this. It’s like they’re all terrified of being wrong. So, I’m asking you again: for those of you who blindly follow Elizabeth Jackson, that hack doctor, and every other self-proclaimed guru out there—do you actually believe the claim that a human being can just synthesize their own Vitamin C from nothing but carbohydrates and water?
See, even when I throw this specific question out to basically every single one of those pseudo-alternative types out there, I get absolutely nothing back. Not a single meaningful response. The only exception was Bone, but honestly, he was so wasted that he just started rambling about concentration camps instead of actually addressing the point.
Linda Moore51 Linda Moore51 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Mar 2017
#28 ·
Ethan Barrett22 said:It’s pretty obvious that someone is terrified, and frankly, they have every reason to be. And so, through this exact method, they’re trying to brainwash people into believing... The rule simply doesn't exist. And he actually expects someone to get punished for following some rule that doesn't even exist. 🤦

Elizabeth Jackson, you little doctor, and you "guru" types—I honestly can’t tell if you’re just being willfully ignorant or if you actually lack the mental capacity to grasp what I’m saying here. Let’s lay this out clearly: if Arthur Smith15 and I really are nothing more than clones, then go ahead and hit us with a permanent ban right now. But, if you’re going to keep throwing around these baseless, lying accusations against us, then you should be the one getting the lifetime ban instead. It’s a simple bet, really, and there isn't a single logical reason why you shouldn't accept the terms, especially considering you were the one rambling on about how we're all just clones anyway.
Regarding that whole fear thing—look, can you actually give me a straight answer as to why you went ahead and scrubbed that signature where you were busy trashing Monty?

Ethan Barrett22 said:If I were to handle this all on my own... I’m starting to have my doubts. Does anyone actually know if someone running a clone account has ever been slapped with a warning or even a full-blown permanent ban? I'm trying to figure out if there's any real teeth behind the rules here. 🤦), So, what exactly are we supposed to do now? What’s the actual move here? I’m looking to deal with those users who are the absolute worst offenders when it comes to breaking the forum rules—the ones who constantly harass anyone they disagree with. It's time to move them straight to the Ban Corner. Listen, let’s call a spade a spade here: we are talking about straight-up, unadulterated, bottom-of-the-barrel insults. We aren't just talking about some mild disagreements or a little bit of heated back-and-forth that happens when people get passionate; I’m talking about those truly vile, gut-wrenching verbal assaults that leave absolutely nothing to the imagination. It’s one thing to have an opinion you feel strongly about, but there is a massive, undeniable line between making a point and simply deciding to be a complete and total jerk. When people start hurling those kinds of heavy-duty insults, they aren't winning an argument—they're just showing everyone exactly how little substance they actually have. It’s pathetic, honestly. just like [/I]


Look, Elizabeth Jackson, you’re looking at a bunch of self-proclaimed doctors and gurus here, and honestly, it’s pathetic. It’s absolutely mind-blowing how some people take offense when they read basic biological facts. You tell them that the human body actually produces its own Vitamin C, or mention that pigs can carry carcinogens, or even point out the simple reality that humans—just like bell peppers—are grown from the earth, and suddenly everyone is clutching their pearls. They can't handle the truth if it isn't spoon-fed to them by some mainstream authority.
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Honestly, you guys are just doing nothing but getting under the skin of the supermods with threads like this. It’s obvious they're already losing their patience with this constant back-and-forth happening every other day... 🙄
Elizabeth Jackson, you absolute amateur, are you actually trembling at the thought of what the supermods might uncover? If you’re going through the trouble of scrubbing your signature, you better be damn well certain you’ve wiped every single one of those pathetic messages you sent, too.
Linda Moore51 Linda Moore51 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Mar 2017
#29 ·
stormyrider28 said:Yeah, it’s pretty funny how they’re suddenly so offended by someone questioning if someone else is a clone, yet they didn't seem to mind at all when Brenda Gonzalez12 was being written off as a total piece of trash... claiming that the veterans in his family were basically brain-dead.


stormyrider28 said:Or like when the forum regular Leeni rudely mocked her for not being able to have kids

Nicole Johnson20 said:He wasn't mocking me, Lorelei was the one doing that...

I’m asking anyone who isn't on a permanent ignore list to please explain what’s actually going on here, because this nonsense being posted is just pure 😬
Linda Moore51 Linda Moore51 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Mar 2017
#30 ·
Ethan Barrett22 said:... and the whole damn thing. Listen up, brothers.

Elizabeth Jackson, urbangull90, and the self-proclaimed guru, I’m asking you one more time to stop hijacking my words. Since you apparently claim you "can't understand" what I'm saying, there is absolutely no excuse for you to be parroting my own statements back to me. It’s pathetic and unnecessary. Thanks.

Ethan Barrett22 said:Even our dear friend Linda Moore51 can't help but throw around accusations of cloning, though her entire writing style and body of work are nothing more than a bizarre coincidence. Absolutely identical. Look, Al Smith15, it’s pretty obvious that Linda Moore51 is typing in all lowercase—and honestly, she’s probably doing it on purpose just to get under our skin. 😬

I’ve already mentioned before just how sharp Arthur Smith15 is—it’s blatantly obvious if you actually bother to read his posts—so don't act all surprised that our writing styles end up looking pretty much the same.
Elizabeth Jackson, you doctor wannabe, and you self-proclaimed guru—my offer is still on the table. For crying out loud, just be a decent human being and accept it.
stormyrider28 stormyrider28 Member
17 messages
joined Dec 2018
#31 ·
Ethan Brooks59 said:Seriously, you want to go there with me, Gnuujninestrin? Just because you try to bring up "American veterans" again to twist the context... you absolute piece of trash.

Honestly, that’s pretty much the only thing you haven't done on this forum yet—just straight-up cursing at people. You’ve done everything else, though. Bringing up people's late parents, saying they're shitting on their graves, wishing all kinds of curses on people... just a massive pile of garbage that has zero to do with common sense or how anyone should act on a forum. Every single one of your posts is just an insult, and even here on PŽK, you can't hide who you really are... that aggression and arrogance just defines you...
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Aug 2021
#32 ·
Gnu, I’m going to ask you one more time to actually stick to the topic and try showing a little bit of basic decency. We all see right through what you're doing—you're clearly just trying to get this thread shut down before Nice can finally clear the air about who’s an actual human being and who’s some sort of clone, but honestly, you don't have to be quite so obvious about it. 🕺
stormyrider28 stormyrider28 Member
17 messages
joined Dec 2018
#33 ·
Here's another fresh example where Brenda Gonzalez12 is out here accusing people of being clones...
Brenda Gonzalez12 said:Because it’s just some profile with 200 chat posts who "suddenly," instead of hanging out in the food discussion thread (where any sane person would go first), shows up to suck up to Elizabeth Jackson over on "Alternative" and refuses pretty much any other advice, even though her very first post said some "bro" wanted something totally different.

I won't even get into how that particular (let's say we apply a 1.15 multiplier since we're actually talking about Leeno)

And what's most important is that this forum user Brenda Gonzalez12 is talking about (Tsina-Iti) doesn't even agree with the advice we were giving her there—actually, it was the opposite. She mostly stuck to their advice, but she could see Brenda Gonzalez12 was fighting some weird private battles of her own, so it felt super sketchy to her
Tsina-Iti said:I felt the exact same way, and it's clearly written in those posts Brenda Gonzalez12 showed.
Poor guy got so caught up in his own little crusade that he completely forgot what my actual question was...

She also mentioned seeing how Brenda Gonzalez12 insults forum members, which she really didn't appreciate
Tsina-Iti said:You tell me on the forum to go where people actually have expertise...😵
Don't I have the right to judge for myself what makes sense and what doesn't, rather than having someone aggressively try to force me into something? Because now I can really see it's just pure coercion.
I came here to ask for advice, and aside from those few words you wrote, everything else was just trash-talking this forum member who was trying to help me. He gave advice and said we could do it however we want; he wasn't aggressively driving me away from the topic like you are.
And then you tell me everyone posting here is stupid and giving stupid advice, trying to convince me they're all bad—yet I see you posting here all day long, even though you're supposedly at the beach with your family... Then who on earth are you posting to if these people bother you so much, while you're simultaneously pushing me toward another topic?
It makes zero sense to me, sorry.

Plus, once I saw how you insult people here who were just trying to be helpful, I felt sick... Seriously, it turned my stomach.

So yeah, it turns out the people accusing others of things are doing it even more than anyone else...
Brenda Gonzalez12 Brenda Gonzalez12 Member
45 messages
joined Mar 2017
#34 ·
stormyrider28 said:Here is another fresh example where Monty accuses people of being clones.
And most importantly, that forum user Monty keeps bringing up (Tsina-Iti) doesn't even agree with the advice we were all giving her—quite the opposite! She actually leaned more toward their suggestions but she realized Monty was just fighting his own private battles here which felt super weird to her.
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Can't you help yourself when it comes to trolling threads, huh? Even when people ask you nicely to stop?

Alright, here is my response:
Tsina-Iti said:And then you keep telling me that everyone posting here is stupid and giving terrible advice, trying so hard to convince me they're all bad— yet I see you're posting here all day long, even though you're supposedly at the beach with your family...So who on earth are you writing to all this time if these people bother you so much and you're trying to push me to a different thread?

Where on earth did she get that story if she just joined the thread?
Seriously... stormyrider28, quit pulling our legs.

I really hope we get to find out soon where these ridiculous conclusions about "clones" are coming from. Honestly, I'd suggest an apology from the Woman from Chicago as a way to make things right.
Or maybe just a nice public apology.
☕
Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 Member
31 messages
joined Oct 2015
#35 ·
briskwalker10 said:😲

I really hope you went ahead and deleted all those dick pics of mine! I was actually sitting here wondering why you weren't responding... 😲

🤣
Sandra Kern37 Sandra Kern37 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Aug 2021
#36 ·
Honestly, Leeno, you’d be much better off just offering a sincere apology for spending the last six months slandering me as some kind of clone, rather than sitting here trying to play along with these little forum jokes and cheap shots. 😁
Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 Member
31 messages
joined Oct 2015
#37 ·
Jerry White29 said:The issue isn't about ten apple seeds—it's the fact that they’re citing "scientific studies" that don't actually exist and have never been published anywhere. And Elizabeth Jackson, that quack, and Guru, they're just throwing links out there—and here I am, still calling out this "scientific research" nonsense... They are lying to sick people, and that is dangerous.

Of course there’s a decent way to handle this, but only with people who react like actual adults. After my posts calling out Leeni's utter nonsense—things like apple seeds, carrot juice, and human blood—Elizabeth Jackson, that hack, and Guru started rambling and making these pathetic excuses, claiming they weren't the ones writing that garbage. Fine, maybe they can try their little word games with Gnuujninestrin or Rorion and the rest of that crowd, but they aren't pulling anything past me. Sorry, but I've got far too much education to let anyone try to sell me a load of crap.

What I find truly fascinating is how nobody from that whole pseudo-Alternative crowd wants to take a definitive stance on this. I’ll ask again: for those of you who follow Elizabeth Jackson, that quack, and Guru—do you honestly believe a person can synthesize Vitamin C from nothing but carbohydrates and water?
You see, even this question—which I've posed to basically every single pseudo-alternative follower—has gone unanswered. Except for Bone, but he was drunk and started rambling about concentration camps instead...

Alright, rather than going through my opinion on every single point individually (because once I start, it'll be way too long), what do you all think would be considered acceptable to post on that subforum? What should be allowed and what shouldn't, so we can finally stop the mockery, the insults, and the trolling? I want to know how a group of people can actually sit down and have a peaceful conversation about things they care about.
(If someone could practically list some examples of what's a "NO" and what's a "YES"—for instance: sharing personal experiences, stories from famous people, stories from strangers, anonymous accounts, signed testimonials, something read online, specific types of advice, or personal opinions provided there's an explicit disclaimer that it's just the view of a layman, etc., etc.)

I'm talking specifically about the Alternative Treatment PDF.

Or, if there’s another constructive suggestion for finding some common ground (assuming you don't find my idea of listing everything out unacceptable).
Linda Moore51 Linda Moore51 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2017
#38 ·
Nicole Johnson20 said:Look, if I started breaking down my opinion on every single little thing right now, I’d be typing forever because I was already getting into the swing of it, so let me just ask you this instead: what exactly do you all think is acceptable to discuss on that subforum, and what isn't? If we could actually establish some ground rules, maybe we could finally put an end to all this constant mocking, the insults, and the trolling, allowing people to actually sit down and have a peaceful conversation about things they care about.
(If we could just make a concrete list of "No" examples versus "Yes" examples—like, say, sharing personal experiences, stories from famous people, anecdotes from strangers, anonymous accounts, or even posts signed with full names; or perhaps reading something found online, offering specific types of advice, or stating a personal opinion clearly labeled as the view of a layman, etc., etc.)

I am talking specifically about Alternative medicine.

Or, if there is some other constructive way to find common ground—assuming my suggestion to list everything out isn't too much for you all.

If we look at the raw food topic, posting recipes is fine by me; anyone who wants to try them can. To be honest, I call Elizabeth Jackson's recipes "blender recipes" because she uses a blender for everything, so it basically boils down to drinking various colored liquids. But generally, I don't have a problem with it. It's perfectly fine to talk about how people feel after those kinds of meals, and it would actually be interesting if someone wrote down the carb, fat, and protein counts for that stuff... essentially, everything is acceptable to me as long as people don't start preaching about miraculous cures. That is where I draw the line. That is unacceptable.
As for alternative medicine, I absolutely cannot stand those tales of miracle healings from Veroljub in Naples or any of that nonsense. On the other hand, it is perfectly useful to write about teas, tinctures, medicinal herbs, or even poisonous plants... nature is incredible and possesses wonderful properties, and that, to me, is what constitutes an alternative.
Here is an example... someone has a headache, and instead of taking Aspirin, you recommend a certain tea... I think you understand where I'm coming from.
Alternative medicine isn't claiming that carrot juice is identical to human blood, or that pigs carry cancer; alternative medicine isn't saying that when someone breaks an arm, they should just drink one of Elizabeth's blender recipes like some quack or guru (to use a bit of hyperbole)...
I think you and I understand each other perfectly well, and I am almost certain that what I have written here is something you would find acceptable.
When you switched to a raw food diet, I never once wrote to you saying it was stupid, whether publicly or in a private message; in fact, I asked you how your energy levels were since I eat a lot of raw food myself. But I don't think it's a magic cure. Nor do I promote the food I eat as being the best in the world, whereas Elizabeth, the quacks, and the gurus with their pseudo-alternative brotherhood certainly do.

Everything written above is just my opinion; those of us who aren't part of that pseudo-alternative brotherhood have diverse views and ways of thinking.
Elizabeth Jackson Elizabeth Jackson Member
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Nicole Johnson20 said:Look, this would be a complete disaster for anyone else's elections: I'm assuming your professional life is non-existent too, given how much you harp on about a wife and kids you've clearly never seen outside of a tent at night.

It’s honestly just sad and incredibly foolish when someone keeps obsessively bringing up the topic of having children, swearing they have them while simultaneously judging everyone else they assume doesn't... it’s the wrong subforum for this kind of thing.
And, if I may say so, it's pretty obvious why you're doing it. ☕

stormyrider28 said:Well, that might be the only thing you haven't done on this forum yet—actually hurling profanities directly at people's families.
Everything else? You've done it. You've brought up people's late parents and talked about shitting on their graves, you've wished all sorts of vulgar things upon others, and spilled a mountain of other garbage that has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence or decent behavior on a forum. Every single post you make feels like an insult, and even here on PŽK, you can't really hide who you are because that aggression and sheer arrogance is just more defining than anything else.

Exactly. I think I've actually posted over a hundred times now that demonstrates this quite clearly.
They aren't particularly hard to find, either, since almost every one of them contains some sort of insult.
Daniel Davis40 Daniel Davis40 Member
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joined Oct 2015
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Jerry White29 said:Regarding the whole Raw food topic—look, publishing recipes is fine by me. If people want to try them, let them. To be blunt, I call Elizabeth Jackson’s recipes "blender recipes" because everything involves a blender; it basically boils down to sipping various colored liquids. But generally speaking, I don't have an issue with it. It could be interesting to write about how people feel after these meals—or better yet, provide the actual macros, like how many carbs, fats, and proteins are in a specific drink. In my view, everything is acceptable right up until someone starts preaching about miraculous cures. That is where I draw the line.
When it comes to Alternative Treatment, I absolutely cannot stomach those claims of "miraculous healings" from Veroljub in Jagodin and all that nonsense. On the flip side, discussing herbal teas, tinctures, medicinal herbs, or even toxic plants is perfectly fine—nature is incredible and possesses unique properties, and to me, that constitutes a legitimate alternative.
Here is an example... if someone has a headache, instead of reaching for Aspirin, you might suggest a certain tea. I think you get what I'm getting at.
An "alternative" isn't claiming carrot juice is identical to human blood, or that pigs carry cancer; an alternative isn't suggesting that when someone breaks an arm, they should just drink some blender recipe from some quack or guru (to use a caricature here)...
I believe you and I understand each other quite well, and I am almost certain that what I have written here aligns with your own views.
When you switched over to Raw food, I never once told you it was stupid—not publicly, not in private messages—in fact, I actually asked how your energy levels were since I eat plenty of Raw food myself. But I don't think it's some magic bullet. Nor do I promote the food I eat as being the best in the world, unlike Elizabeth Jackson, the quacks, and their pseudo-alternative brotherhood who do exactly that.

Everything written above is simply my opinion; those of us who aren't part of that pseudo-alternative brotherhood hold diverse views and different ways of thinking.

Thanks for the reply.

So there it is. I'd also welcome input from others who aren't part of that pseudo-alternative crowd if they have anything to add regarding what bothers them about this kind of writing.

And likewise, I'd love to hear from those in the "brotherhood"—would they find this level of scrutiny acceptable?

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