Clones on Alternative and the question of all questions: Am I a clone?

^People who lean toward Alternative approaches should really try to steer clear of those fake medical practitioners. Honestly, they need to stop posting about anything that actually puts people's health at risk. Of course, they aren't going to just stop on their own, which is exactly why this subforum needs a moderator...

Mark Cruz15 said:^Those pseudo-alternative types should generally stay far away from quackery. They need to stop posting about anything that actually puts people's health at risk. Since they aren't going to stop on their own—obviously—this subforum desperately needs a moderator.

Alright, could you please be more specific about what exactly you're defining as quackery? Because someone else pointed out that, by your logic, suggesting a cup of chamomile tea instead of an aspirin for a headache could be considered quackery. How are we supposed to draw a line here?
I’m talking specifically about the context of the topics being discussed there—things like Raw food and such.

It’s like when someone walks up to you claiming fruit pits can cure cancer. Or when they insist carrot juice and blood are basically the same liquid—as if my veins and yours are just running through pure carrot puree instead of blood.
Don't even get me started on the absolute nonsense people spout regarding carbohydrates and Vitamin C.

And honestly, it would be almost tolerable if it were just two outliers posting this stuff, but that isn't the case at all; you can find these kinds of claims, and even more absurd ones, scattered across countless forums.

But hey, it doesn't matter, because apparently, if you just have enough "power of love" ( 🤣 ), everything can be fixed; just say three magic words and suddenly all the misinformation and insults will just vanish into thin air.

Over at Alternative, there won't be any peace until a total purge happens. Until then, this whole fairy tale is never going to end.

Because...

...as the old saying goes: you can take the boy out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the boy.

Nicole Johnson20 said:Thanks for getting back to me.

Anyway, I’d love to hear from anyone else who isn't part of that whole pseudo-alternative crowd—if you have any thoughts on what makes this kind of writing so grating, please, speak up.

And while we're at it, I’m curious to see what the "inner circle" thinks about all this; would they even find this approach acceptable?

Back on April 29, 2019, on a now-defunct thread over at PŽK, I posted this.
The thing is, the whole "Raw food" topic becomes a mess when people start preaching that eating nothing but raw plants can cure cancer. Look, tweaking recipes isn't the issue—in fact, it's actually encouraged—and it's certainly not a real problem if someone decides to count cocoa powder under the umbrella of Raw food.

The real headache starts when you lay out verifiable, scientifically backed evidence to debunk some half-baked theory, only to watch the person pushing that idea keep peddling it shamelessly, completely unbothered. And then, of course, you get the armchair experts jumping in to join the fray, some of whom honestly seem to be struggling with some pretty serious mental issues.

But honestly, the biggest failure here is just the total lack of moderators to actually step in and bring some order to this subforum.

SF

urbangull90 said:Back on April 29, 2019, in a now-closed thread over at PŽK, I wrote the following.
I would just add that the "Raw food" thread is inherently problematic when people start preaching that eating raw plant-based diets can cure cancer. Tweaking recipes isn't an issue—in fact, it's encouraged—and it’s certainly not a real concern when someone includes cocoa powder under the umbrella of Raw food.

The actual issue arises when verifiable, scientifically backed evidence is presented to debunk a flawed idea, yet the person pushing that idea continues to promote it recklessly and without restraint. And then, you have the sycophants joining in—some of whom clearly have serious mental health issues.

But the single biggest failure here is the complete lack of moderators to actually step in and bring some order to this subforum.

SF

Look, on one hand, thanks for acknowledging that cocoa powder isn't something worth making a huge deal about. But on the other hand, please show a little sensitivity and recognize when it is or isn't appropriate to tell forum users they have mental health problems. We are all trying to see if we can find common ground and establish some semblance of normal communication here—so everyone gets what they want (some get a quiet corner to discuss their interests, while others get a space free from things that bother them). Resorting to insults isn't going to help anyone right now.

Alternative Treatment enthusiasts? 🙂

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Daniel Davis40 says: Look, on one hand, I appreciate you acknowledging that cocoa powder isn't exactly some grand topic worth getting worked up over, but on the other hand, could we maybe show a little more tact? There’s a time and a place, and just labeling people on this forum as having mental health issues isn't it. We're all just trying here to see if we can find some common ground and actually have a decent conversation—you know, where everyone gets what they want, whether that's a quiet corner to talk about their niche interests or just not having to deal with stuff that bugs them. Throwing insults around isn't going to help anyone get there. Alternative crowd? 🙂

It really wasn't an insult—one of the guys mentioned in the post I linked actually admitted he was dealing with mental health issues himself.

SF

Nicole Johnson20 said:Look, I could easily get carried away if I tried to address every single point individually—I was actually starting to go down that rabbit hole, and I fear the post would end up being an absolute novel. What do you all think would actually constitute acceptable behavior on this subforum? I’m wondering what kind of guidelines we could establish regarding what should be discussed—and more importantly, what shouldn't—so we can finally put an end to the constant mockery, insults, and trolling. Ideally, I’d love to see a space where a group of people can just come together and have a peaceful conversation about the things they're genuinely interested in, without feeling like they're walking into a minefield. What do you think it would take to make that happen?

I suspect that it’s in... Regarding the guidelines for the Alternative Treatment subforum: Fair enough. I suppose one might wonder what kind of content could actually be included in a PDF like that, and more importantly, what the absolute "no-go" zones are. It’s a valid question, really. If we’re talking about general guidelines, I imagine the subject matter could range from anything to technical manuals or even creative portfolios. However, when it comes to what you *shouldn't* do, there are definitely some boundaries to respect. For instance, you probably shouldn't include anything that violates copyright or uses proprietary information without permission—that's just common sense, I guess. There's also the matter of security; you wouldn't want to embed malicious scripts or sensitive data that could compromise someone's system. Maybe it's also worth considering the user experience. Flooding a document with massive, unoptimized images or overly complex formatting can make it a total nightmare to read on a standard device. It’s almost like trying to drive through downtown Chicago during rush hour—just unnecessarily difficult and frustrating for everyone involved. In short, keep it clean, keep it legal, and try not to make it a headache for the person on the other end. That seems to be the golden rule, at least in my book.

So, there aren't any strict rules or specific restrictions to worry about, but I suppose we should probably try our best to stay on topic.
It’s pretty clear that what isn't permitted has been explicitly stated.

I should also point out that at the very top of every single page within the Alternative Treatment subforum, there is an explicit disclaimer clearly stating exactly what that section is intended for. Alternative Treatment—everything that falls outside the scope of conventional medicine.
(top, left) ☕

The rules have remained exactly like this for years now. They’ve always been perfectly clear, and honestly, there hasn't really been any reason to change them.
Look, I really have to emphasize this: any persistent attempts to push topics that fall outside our established guidelines or deviate from the set rules are considered completely off-topic. It’s viewed as a violation of our community standards and, frankly, will be subject to sanctions. If you have something else to discuss, maybe it belongs on a different sub-forum instead.

Look, this subforum is unique, and it’s best left exactly as it is. We really shouldn't—and frankly, we shouldn't be allowed to—try to turn this space into a version of Natural Science 2 or any of those other sections like Medicine or Health. Those areas have their own specific rules and specialized topics for a reason, and this isn't one of them.

If someone finds a particular topic uninteresting or, heaven forbid, outright irritating, I honestly can't fathom why they would go to such exhausting lengths to insult others. It seems like a massive waste of one's precious time just to lash out at people simply because they happen to hold a different perspective. 🤷
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Nicole Johnson20 said:If it were possible to actually sit down and put together a structured list—you know, like a clear-cut breakdown of what qualifies as a "No" versus what counts as a "Yes"—it might be helpful. For instance... It’s a bit of a mixed bag, isn't it? You have your own lived experiences, then there are the stories from public figures you actually know, followed by the accounts of complete strangers—some anonymous, others signing their full names to whatever they claim. Then you have the endless stream of advice floating around the internet, bits of wisdom here and tips there. Personally, I think we also have to account for individual perspectives, though I suppose I should clarify that any such take is strictly the opinion of a layman like myself. etc., etc.

Even in... Please make sure you take a moment to review the guidelines for the Alternative Treatment subforum. It’s been suggested that we could share our personal experiences here, and I think that might actually be quite useful.

Of course, you’re more than welcome to point someone toward the discussion threads on homeopathy or crystal therapy if that's what they're looking for. It’s perfectly fine to share what worked for you , but we can't have everyone promoting their own specific therapies all over this subforum. I suppose the line is somewhat blurry , and it probably should be more defined, but since our moderators aren't exactly known for being quick to pull the trigger on bans, just try to respect the warnings.

If you happen to be linking to someone else's personal experience, the rules do require you to provide a brief summary explaining what it's about.
Now, if someone disagrees with what’s written in one of those links, that is entirely their right. If the content is so distressing that it causes genuine trauma or keeps them from sleeping—or if they feel it poses a legitimate health risk—they shouldn't be complaining to the person who shared the link. They should reach out directly to the original author of the content instead.

Furthermore, if they make that claim, the person sharing the link must certainly prove that such posts actually jeopardize someone's health.

Nicole Johnson20 said:Alright, could you maybe clarify what you actually mean by "quackery"? I ask because someone else pointed out that if we go down that road, suggesting a cup of chamomile tea instead of taking an aspirin for a headache would technically count as quackery too. How are we supposed to draw a line in the sand there?
I’m thinking specifically about the context of the topics being discussed here, like the stuff regarding Raw food and things of that nature...

The other members have already given you quite a bit of feedback on this. Honestly, I feel like the moderator should be the one calling the shots on how this is managed. For instance, let people post whatever they want, but once the facts are laid out clearly in black and white, there should be an end to the endless spamming about it for the next 300 pages. I am strictly talking about topics that pose a genuine threat to human health; everything else is just noise...

Mark Cruz15 said:People interested in alternative lifestyles should probably steer clear of quackery altogether. Essentially, they need to stop posting about anything that could potentially jeopardize public health.

Simply discussing a topic doesn't make it quackery, especially when it aligns perfectly with the purpose of this forum.
And I might remind you that we are specifically referring to a PDF titled Alternative Treatment - Everything outside the realm of conventional medicine.

Are you suggesting that absolutely everything written here qualifies as quackery?
On what basis, exactly?
If not everything, then surely there must be something here that you don't consider fraudulent?
Or perhaps you possess some special credentials that allow you to draw such definitive lines between truth and falsehood? 😵

It really isn't particularly kind to slap labels like "quasi-alternative" on people just because your perspectives happen to differ.
The subforum operates under a very specific set of guidelines, and as long as those are followed, one should be fine.

None of the points you've raised actually violate any established rules, nor can you provide any concrete evidence that a simple suggestion or a shared link poses a threat to anyone's well-being.

How exactly would you prove such a thing? Have you even attempted to substantiate these claims, or are you just repeating the same mantra—that everything we write is dangerous—without offering a single shred of proof? 🥱

Indeed, that is precisely why this subforum requires a moderator who will strictly adhere to the community guidelines and prevent individuals from rewriting the rules based on their own personal whims or biases, while ensuring that actual violations are handled appropriately.

In my view, the stricter, the better.

Ethan Barrett22 said:Writing about a topic isn't being a quack, especially when it actually fits the subject matter.
And just a reminder, we're talking about an Alternative Treatment PDF here.
Are you honestly suggesting that everything written in there counts as quackery?
If not, then what doesn't?
Or do you just think you have this special ability to draw the line and spot the difference?

It’s really not cool to start slapping labels on people just because you don't see eye to eye with them.
The subforum has its own set of clear rules, and it's enough to just stick to them.
None of the things you're bringing up are forbidden by any rule, and you can't exactly prove that someone is endangering anyone's health just by offering advice or sharing a link.
How would you even go about proving that? Have you actually tried to make a case, or are you just acting like a parrot, repeating the same old line that anything we write is somehow putting lives at risk?

Yeah, that's exactly why this subforum needs a moderator who will actually follow the established guidelines and stop letting everyone just reshape the rules based on their own whims and personal convictions.

When you argue that eating nothing but Raw food is the cure for cancer, while simultaneously claiming that chemotherapy is solely a death sentence—that's not just "alternative," it's dangerous to the lives of desperate, terrified people.

And those kinds of "experts" should be kicked off the forum. Permanently.

Alternative doesn't mean every half-baked or delusional idea deserves to be treated as equal to proven medical methods and procedures.

The concept of Alternative isn't your personal playground.

At the end of the day, there's a human life on the line. Not yours, obviously—I doubt you're foolish enough to ask for a carrot juice IV if you actually needed a blood transfusion...

urbangull90

Nicole Johnson20 said:So, what do you guys think would actually make this sub acceptable? Like, what should be totally fine to talk about versus what we should just leave out? I really want to see an end to all the constant mocking, the insults, and the endless trolling... It’d be so much better if people could just show up and have actual conversations about stuff they care about without feeling attacked. Just a peaceful place to hang out and chat about our interests, you know?...

Honestly, I think it’s pretty simple... if everyone just stuck to the actual topics and kept things within the subforum guidelines, we wouldn't be having this headache. You know, just cutting out all that mocking, the insults, and the constant trolling... once people stop breaking the rules, we can finally just have a decent conversation in peace. It shouldn't be this hard...

I honestly don't even know where to start with this one... just thinking about it makes my head spin a little bit. You know that feeling when you're staring at a screen, trying to make sense of everything, and it just feels like total chaos? That’s basically me right now. I was looking into some of those recent updates everyone's buzzing about, and man, things are moving so fast. It's wild. Anyway, I was chatting with stormyrider28 the other day about how much stuff is changing in the industry lately. We were both saying how it feels like we're constantly playing catch-up with new tech and all these weird shifts in the market. It's kind of exhausting if you think about it too long, but also pretty exciting in a "hold on to your hat" sort of way... maybe? I feel like we really need to look closer at the alternatives available to us instead of just sticking to what we know. It's easy to get comfortable, but staying stagnant is probably the worst move we could make. There's so much potential out there if we just stop overthinking and actually dive in... though I guess I'm doing exactly that right now. Just one thought after another... turns out, figuring this stuff out is harder than it looks... kaže:
People who lean into those quasi-alternative lifestyles really need to steer clear of all that fake medicine nonsense. Like, seriously, just stop posting about stuff that’s actually dangerous for people's health... They aren't ever going to stop on their own, so honestly, this sub needs a moderator to step in and clean things up...

Wait, what are you even talking about? Seriously... Man, I remember back when the old mod was running things... it was so much better. People used to post about all kinds of alternative treatments constantly. We’d see actual success stories, links to studies, videos, people sharing their own personal journeys... there was just so much helpful stuff everywhere. And honestly? Not a single moderator ever breathed a word against it, let alone handed out bans or anything like that. It was just a way more open vibe... And honestly, that’s just how it works... since this is the specific subforum meant for exactly this kind of stuff anyway...

Nicole Johnson20 said:Look, we’re basically just trying to see if we can find some common ground here and actually get a decent conversation going... you know? Like, where everyone actually gets what they want out of this place. Some people just want a chill little corner to geek out over their specific interests without being bothered, and others just don't want to deal with all the stuff that bugs them... so, yeah. Throwing insults around right now isn't exactly helping anyone's case...

Anyone else here into those alternative vibes?... 🙂

I’m totally on board with what you’re saying, and honestly, I think that idea is solid... but just keep in mind that... It honestly feels like no matter what thread you start on this forum, there’s always going to be some random person lurking in the shadows just waiting to get offended... It’s like, seriously? There is always someone, somewhere, finding a reason to be annoyed by a post...But that’s exactly why those subforum rules exist in the first place. You gotta follow the actual guidelines, not just whatever people feel like doing at the moment... This whole mess started because there hasn't been a moderator around to keep things in check, and now everyone's just acting out. It feels like they're trying to turn this entire board into something that only serves a tiny group of three or four people who break the rules in basically every single post they make...

Nicole Johnson20 said:Alright, could you perhaps clarify what exactly you consider to be quackery? Because someone once pointed out that if we follow that logic, suggesting a cup of chamomile tea instead of an aspirin for a headache would also count as quackery. How are we supposed to draw a line there?

It seems to me that you're trying to de-escalate things on this subforum, attempting to find some common ground so we can settle down and stop the rule-breaking.
I actually welcome that initiative; I think it’s quite a good idea, especially while we're without a moderator. 🙂

However, I suspect matters are actually quite straightforward, and the real issue lies solely in the violation of the rules.
If we had active moderation, these issues wouldn't even exist.

Since we don't know how much longer the moderator will be away, if we truly want to stabilize the situation, everyone should just agree to stick to the forum and subforum guidelines—so, again, I think your proposal is excellent. 👍

Let's look at an extreme scenario: suppose everyone stops posting any links regarding cures and simply leaves sick people to fend for themselves. If anyone asks for advice regarding an illness, we’d just tell them we can't help because anything outside of conventional medicine is considered quackery, and they'll have to figure it out on their own.
In that case, the Alternative subforum would basically just be a hollow shell, existing in name only. 😵

Would that bring peace to the board? You have three guesses. ☕

Furthermore, the real issue isn't really about sharing online anecdotes that have nothing to do with quackery—even if they did and even if they were potentially dangerous—because the Department of Health would have stepped in long ago to block such sites or restrict access to them. 🤷
For instance, GNU wrote about personal experiences of loved ones who recovered through alternative means, and he was absolutely torn apart for it. He didn't even post a link.

At the end of the day, I haven't posted a single link to a cure or anything remotely similar in over a month (around here), yet every single one of my posts during that month has been met with vitriol. I keep receiving these nasty insults from a small group of people who clearly have made it their mission to target me.
So, why is that happening?
Is it because of agave syrup or some blended concoction that I didn't even consume?
Does that actually put anyone's life at risk?

No, so that certainly isn't the reason.
The reason is simply that they don't want these types of discussions to exist.
Of course, given those intentions, I don't think there are two possible reasons anymore; there's really only one.

But, to wrap this up, I'll share something quite interesting and undeniable that might make everyone pause for a moment: Back when we had moderation, even the former moderator BAT Kol—who is a physician by trade and was an outspoken opponent of the Alternative section, and with whom I had a rather strained relationship—never once gave me a warning, let alone a strike, for a single link I shared regarding a cure, nor for anyone else.

Feel free to check the logs. ☕

He voiced his disagreement, sure; sometimes we'd get into a debate where he presented his arguments and I presented mine. Occasionally, we'd even see eye-to-eye. Most often, we didn't, and we'd just move on.
But I have NEVER even received a warning, nor has a single one of those posts ever been deleted—and I’ve written hundreds of them!

So, regarding whether those kinds of links actually violate any rules or laws.
They don't break anything; if anything, they are the most relevant, on-topic content you could find on this subforum, especially within the Raw Food thread where most of them are shared..

In fact, the original creators specifically designed the thread to encourage discussions about healing journeys and personal experiences with raw food. (just look at the opening post)..

I suppose all of this just highlights the mindless, repetitive chatter about "quackery." It feels more like a deliberate attempt to degrade the topic until people feel it's only acceptable to say something like, "Well, maybe eating an apple after a burger isn't a bad idea once in a while." 🤦.
Then, presumably, that wouldn't offend anyone... 🤦.

Come on now, let’s stop playing the victim. ☕

Honestly, looking at this thread, I feel like I’m going to ruin my good mood immediately just by reading through all these posts.
Wait, why on earth would you say that?
It’s because the title of this discussion doesn't even match what's actually happening here! I really think I should suggest to Leeni that she either move this over to the PŽK section—even though it's not quite the right fit there either—or, better yet, start a whole new thread on alternative to host this specific debate. And then let the conversation flow there.
The whole point of why this topic was originally opened is getting totally lost in the shuffle here. If we keep going like this, the mods will probably just shut the whole thing down without even giving us a chance to respond.

Hey everyone! I just wanted to let you know that a new thread has been opened over on Alternative, so if you're feeling the itch to dive deeper into this, you can head over there to keep the conversation going.

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Ethan Barrett22 said:Look, if what was posted there is truly such a massive trigger for him that he’s losing sleep over it—or if he genuinely believes someone’s health is being put at risk—then nobody is stopping him from taking it up directly with the person who actually published it via that link, rather than just venting at the person who shared it.

Furthermore, he’d absolutely have to prove to the author of that page that such posts are actually endangering anyone's health.

No, hold on, Elizabeth Jackson, you pseudo-doctor and self-appointed guru, what you're saying is complete nonsense. Let me ask you something: if you stumbled upon some article on one of those shady fringe websites claiming that having sex with children cures cancer, would you actually share it? If you did share something like that, you'd end up behind bars right alongside the idiot who wrote it.
The reality is simple: the person spreading the garbage is just as guilty as the person creating it. Those bottom-of-the-barrel websites you keep linking to lead people astray—people like you, who clearly lack both a solid education and any sense of basic morality.
Just take a quick look at the very text you linked, which claims you can cure cancer by eating about ten raw apple seeds. It is incredibly easy to verify who actually conducted any "research" regarding those ten apple seeds. That "researcher" is nothing but a charlatan, and not a single bit of his "work" has ever been scientifically validated. Even the man himself kept shifting his story constantly. You see, Elizabeth Jackson, if you had bothered to actually look at what you're linking to, you’d realize you're just peddling a stupid, fraudulent text designed to lie to people who are fighting serious illnesses.

Ethan Barrett22 said:Look, I honestly think things are incredibly straightforward and obvious, and if you just take a second to actually look at the situation instead of overcomplicating it, you'll see that... The only real issue here boils down to one thing: people are blatantly breaking the rules.
If we didn't have any moderation in place, this whole thing would be a complete disaster.

Elizabeth Jackson, you absolute fraud and self-proclaimed health guru, you’re back at it again with the nonsense. Honestly, whenever you just post some basic smoothie recipes, everyone stays quiet because there isn't much to say, but the second you start preaching like some kind of prophet about how raw food is the ultimate cure-all and that nobody will ever get sick if they just follow your strict diet, that's when people finally lose their patience. It’s exhausting watching you act like an authority on wellness when it’s becoming painfully obvious that you don't even practice what you preach. You sit there lecturing us on the miraculous benefits of raw nutrition while you're actually out there eating cooked meals just like the rest of us, playing this ridiculous character for attention.

Ethan Barrett22 said:Since nobody has any clue how much longer the moderation gap is going to last, if we actually want to de-escalate this whole mess, everyone needs to get on the same page and commit to following the rules of the forums and sub-forums, which is exactly why I think your initiative is such a damn good move. 👍

Look, if you want to post your little blender recipes and expect anyone to actually engage with them, go right ahead—nobody is going to comment on them anyway. Honestly, I couldn't care less what you’re throwing in a cup or how you choose to fuel your body. But the second someone starts peddling those ridiculous, half-baked lies about "miracle cures" and health transformations, suddenly everyone feels the need to jump in and start typing. It's exhausting.

Ethan Barrett22 said:Let’s look at an absolute extreme scenario here—imagine if everyone just collectively decided to stop sharing any links or info regarding alternative healing methods and simply left people struggling with illnesses to fend for themselves. If someone actually comes to you looking for advice on how to manage a condition, we would just tell them straight up that we can't help because anything outside the realm of mainstream medicine is nothing more than dangerous quackery, and they can just figure it out on their own for all we care.
The Alternative subforum is nothing more than a hollow gesture, existing purely as a pro forma formality that serves absolutely no actual purpose. 😵

Look, Elizabeth Jackson, you aren't exactly playing the genius here, acting like some kind of medical authority or a high-and-mighty guru, and frankly, you're just being dishonest. Nobody in this thread actually asked for your unsolicited lectures on how to cure Crohnov or tackle cancer. You just keep aggressively pushing these "miracle cures" as if we haven't heard it all before. If anyone even breathed a word about cancer, it was strictly a specific inquiry regarding cannabis oil, nothing more.

Ethan Barrett22 said:Look, let’s get one thing straight: linking someone else's random internet anecdotes to actual reality isn't even the real issue here. It’s completely irrelevant to bring up those sketchy, pseudo-medical claims floating around online that have zero connection to legitimate practice anyway. Even if we were to entertain the absurd idea that those baseless stories actually held some weight or could somehow pose a genuine threat to anyone, it still wouldn't change the fact that they aren't the core problem we should be discussing. Honestly, the Department of Health should have stepped in and shut those sites down ages ago, or at least blocked access to them entirely. It’s beyond frustrating that they haven't acted yet. 🤷

I honestly have to wonder what’s going to happen when some poor soul actually decides to follow your medical advice regarding Crohn's disease; are you, or the owner of this forum, going to end up getting sued into oblivion when things go south?
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Ethan Barrett22 said:Look, I haven't linked any kind of cure or anything remotely like that for a whole month now (somewhere around there)

No, you haven't, because you got spooked—you were so terrified that you even went and changed your signature.

Ethan Barrett22 said:And regardless, every single one of my posts over the last month has been relentlessly torn apart, with me receiving nothing but vile insults from the same handful of people who clearly have nothing better to do than harass me.
And for what purpose?

Because you have a blatant tendency toward spreading falsehoods and outright lies.

Ethan Barrett22 said:All of this just goes to show how much these parrot-like ramblings about "quackery" are actually an attempt to degrade the topic so much that people will feel okay saying it's fine to eat an apple after a burger once in a while. 🤦
Then that (supposedly) wouldn't put anyone at risk... 🤦

Elizabeth, you "quack," and you "guru," everything degraded the exact moment you refused to distance yourself from those stupid, health-threatening links we kept warning you about. Instead of facing the arguments, you ran away and hid behind the ignore list, which only proves how incapable you are of defending the very things you link to and write about.

Ethan Brooks59 said:Look, there's a dedicated thread open over on Alternative where the debate is already heating up—if anyone actually cares to follow it, you can head over there.

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Fine. My only concern is that things will spiral out of control there pretty quickly—people tend to be a bit more restrained in their comments here—but whatever. Honestly, I was planning on starting a new thread myself since I know this discussion is completely off-topic for this board anyway.

Richard Ramirez87 said:They’re too busy hurling insults over at Alternative—they know they can get away with anything there without consequence.

For instance, here is what Peter Peterson sent me today:

Notice how this "genius" even addresses me using female pronouns.

My apologies for that—it was a joke, and I realize I went a bit overboard.
Sometimes a few drinks can push behavior into extreme territory.

I have no intention of airing any dirty laundry from the opposition because I don't need the help of the moderation team—that's something you lot clearly require just to feel a sense of superiority to mask your own inferiority. There was a time when you couldn't say a single word against Wikipedia on Alternative without the mods hunting for some flimsy excuse to issue a ban.

And now, you're all whining like a bunch of pathetic crybabies, begging for those days back when you could just izživljavati on everyone without facing any actual consequences.

I was only addressing you as a woman as a joke—plus, you’ve got that silly Big Brother contestant in your avatar anyway.