Torecan (tietilperazin)

brightwalker32 said:I don't have my medical reports yet because my GP basically brushed me off after my injury with AD, claiming it was impossible. After taking Torecan, she gave me a referral to a neurologist, who just gave me the same runaround—telling me it's all in my head, that it's depression, and suggesting I just go for a run or go swimming. It feels like the healthcare system is quite skilled at dismissing people this way. But I’ll get those results eventually! Right now, I only have a psych test that indicated I should schedule some cognitive testing. My psychologist sent me to do that before we start psychotherapy.

What kind of injury are we talking about?

Look, I went through that exact same thing where they told me, "You're fine, just go for a hike up Mount Rainier, your blood pressure is just low," when in reality, I was dealing with something that had nearly a 30% mortality rate. That excuse doesn't work for me... I was genuinely scared, and I spent a lot of time digging through medical literature to try and help myself.

But... at some point, you really have to do your own research.

And a psychological test doesn't necessarily pinpoint neurological issues.

So, instead of fixating on Torecan (whatever happened there), try to stop pushing your diagnoses onto everyone else (I know how it feels to be frantic when you aren't feeling well and are searching for answers in everything)...
Do you have specific symptoms?
Just list them clearly without going into long stories about Torecan and other medications.
How long have you had them...
Are they triggered by any specific activities...
Just that. The symptoms.
Not your conclusions.
Symptoms.

It took me a few years to figure out what was wrong with me.
I was scared too.
So, I understand you to an extent.
But you seem to be clinging to this theory about Torecan like it's the only truth, without considering any other possibilities (if there even are any).
And you aren't letting it go.
Why?
Why not try to look at this rationally?

Perhaps the issue showed up more clearly on the psych test; if so, your behavior might actually be reflecting that... a decline in cognitive abilities. However, a friend of mine deals with something similar... and she manages to live her life and stay productive while handling it.

Brandon Newman95Yeah, I came to the exact same conclusion.
It’s like she’s completely fixated on the idea that it’s Torecan.
She just isn't considering the bigger picture, especially since she’s trying to self-diagnose.

Brenda Alvarez24 said:Brandon Newman95Yeah, I ended up thinking the exact same thing.
She’s just totally obsessed with this fixed idea that it's Torecan.
And it never even crosses her mind—since she’s busy playing doctor and diagnosing herself—to actually step back and look at the big picture.

If I had actually listened to doctors and shown them some respect back in the day, I honestly believe my life would be a whole lot better right now.

Listening to doctors is generally sound advice. However, when it comes to medication, you need to be extremely, incredibly cautious.
So many people receive medical guidance—things like "quit smoking," "cut back on fats or sugar," "watch your salt intake," or "lose some weight"—and yet they fail to follow through simply because they lack self-discipline. If they had actually listened, their quality of life would be significantly higher.
I’ve already laid out all my thoughts above.
Regarding my own neurological issues—it all started with Alzheimer's. Initially, it wasn't overwhelming; despite certain symptoms, I could still live a pretty decent life. Then, Torecan made everything a thousand times worse, and now my life is effectively ruined. I am nowhere near being able to live normally. I’m done repeating myself to anyone. Believe me if you want, or don't; it makes no difference to me.
And look, just think about what I’ve written here. Use your own brain. Develop some CRITICAL THINKING. Don't just be part of a herd that blindly swallows whatever the system serves up. Don't let the violation of your rights and other nonsense become your "normal." And please, don't treat the person trying to enlighten you and raise awareness as your enemy.
The blame for what happened to me doesn't lie solely with Big Pharma producing that Torecan poison or the doctors who pump it into people; it lies with you lot, acting like sheep. You're the sheep who find it perfectly acceptable to have your rights trampled and to be talked down to. You allowed this to happen by trusting doctors implicitly. They just take advantage of the crowd. If they offered to inject you with radioactive Polonium just to fix a headache, dizziness, or nausea, most of you would probably accept it as perfectly normal. And if someone dared to rebel, they'd just label that person "unstable." This isn't just limited to healthcare; this kind of garbage happens everywhere in the world because people act like sheep, and even wars are fought on that exact principle. I just feel sorry for myself because I got screwed over by a disgusting system and a population of sheep like you.
I won't argue with you anymore. It would honestly be easier to teach calculus and derivatives to someone with a cognitive disability than it would be to prove anything to you or nudge you toward thinking for yourselves. It pains me to see how much time I've wasted. It feels like casting pearls before swine. Just leave me alone, along with your Torecan and those mindless phrases you parrot back because your doctors programmed them into you. Go ahead, eat your Torecan every morning, at lunch, and for dinner since you love it so much and defend it so fiercely.
P.S. Even if I were perfectly healthy and experiencing terrible nausea or vertigo, I wouldn't touch Torecan with a ten-foot pole if I knew it was actually a phenothiazine antipsychotic. And even if I had been given this medication without any side effects, I would still protest. Very few people would stand up like that, unfortunately. Most are just so programmed by the system that they're unreachable, and they unconsciously make the world a worse place to live.

brightwalker32 said:Look, listening to doctors is fine and all. But when it comes to medication? You have to be extremely, incredibly careful.
So many people get told by their MDs—like "quit smoking," "cut back on grease or sugar," "watch the salt," or "lose some weight"—and they just don't do it because they can't control themselves. If they had, their lives would be way better right now.
That's basically everything I wanted to say.
As for my neurological issues—it all started with AD. It wasn't even that bad back then; despite some glitches, I could live a pretty decent life. Then Torecan came along and made things a thousand times worse, and now my life is basically ruined. I'm nowhere near being able to live normally anymore. I'm done repeating myself to anyone. Believe me if you want, don't if you don't.
[And yeah, seriously, think about what I wrote. Use your own head, develop some CRITICAL THINKING. Don't just be part of the herd blindly swallowing whatever the system feeds you. Don't let the violation of your rights and all that other crap become "normal." And don't treat the person trying to enlighten you and wake you up as the enemy.[/B]

You show up at the ER, your life is literally hanging by a thread, and the last thing on your mind is Googling stuff. When you're ruling out neurological issues, the first and most basic step is an EEG—that's elementary. For any neurological condition, once someone hits the ER, the standard procedure is always taking a medical history and running blood work first. Only after that do you move on to more testing. Just leave space for people who are actually sick. If you don't want to take the test, just rewrite it. And just like those pieces of advice, the same goes for medications. Also, regarding that bolded part—I don't like mixing in religion. We have people here who are genuinely ill and who actually need medical help.

I see you really enjoy rubbing it in my face that I panicked the other night and rushed to the ER. You’re trying to make me feel guilty, like I’m some kind of burden or taking a spot away from someone "more sick." Look, if I had known it wasn't serious, I wouldn't have gone. It's not like I go making a scene like this all the time. This was a rare moment of genuine worry. Is it really worth attacking me over?
First off, under no circumstances should you ever rely on Google when you're at an emergency room. Second, if a person's life is actually on the line, triage isn't something they should be debating in a therapy session. Third, if a patient isn't in critical condition and there's no immediate threat of permanent damage, they have a right to seek a second opinion—and violating that right is illegal, regardless of what some people claim is "normal." Fourth, you absolutely have to educate yourself on the side effects of medications, especially those affecting the central nervous system (I say this from personal experience). Fifth, that Torecan stuff is pure poison; frankly, it should have been pulled from the market ages ago. There’s an article from 1989 detailing how a perfectly healthy man developed chronic dystonia after just three injections of Torecan. He and his family had no history of neurological issues. Who knows how many others are out there like him, struggling with their emotions, sexual function, or cognitive abilities? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC488605/

Here is something else I copied from my phone archives:
SHOCKING STORY OF A WOMAN PRESCRIBED TORECAN FOR PREGNANCY NAUSEA—A DRUG OTHERWISE BANNED DURING PREGNANCY. SHE EXPERIENCED HELLISH SIDE EFFECTS FROM TORECAN AND LOST HER BABY (this story was translated via Google Translate from a source in the Czech Republic). That specific Torecan was withdrawn from the market in most parts of the world. It’s still used in a few certain regions, like parts of Europe. In the US, it might be administered in an ER without much question via injection. It can cause permanent damage with symptoms identical to antidepressant withdrawal, plus akathisia, dyskinesia, and more.

Source: [(https://www.emimino.cz/denicky/torecan-aneb-tehule-magor-8083/)?';]https://www.emimino.cz/denicky/torec...-magor-8083/)?

The Story:
Torecan was supposed to help with my nausea. Instead, it completely destroyed me. I’m writing this journal because I want to share my experience with this medication and warn others about the potential side effects.

When I became pregnant, I was so happy and excited for the baby. Around the sixth week, the morning sickness kicked in—in my case, it lasted all day. Just one smell or even just eating something would send me straight to hugging the toilet bowl. My doctor prescribed Torecan. At first, things were fine; I could work normally, taking two doses a day. But after a while, the nightmare started. Insomnia, tingling in my legs, restlessness, sweating, slowed movements. I couldn't sit still; I had to keep walking, even through the night. When I did manage to sleep, it was only about two hours a day.

My doctor sent me to a hospital in Seattle because my magnesium levels were low. While I was there, they didn't just give me magnesium; they also put Torecan in my IV, and I felt even worse. I eventually pushed back because of how a nurse was treating me. I was furious—like a cornered squirrel—and she told me I couldn't go to the bathroom. I told her I certainly could and that I needed to go. Instead of losing my cool entirely, I just told them I wouldn't be staying, and my parents drove me home. Once we got back, I forgot to take the Torecan regularly. My mom tried to keep my mind off things and distract me. I started feeling better, though I only realize that now in hindsight. After I returned home to my husband, I started bleeding after a few days (leading to a miscarriage) and ended up back in the hospital in a different part of town. I spent about three days there, and they didn't understand what was happening to me either.

Eventually, they referred me to a psychiatrist, who suggested a transfer to a specialist in a nearby city. I felt like a complete monster. It wasn't until I reached that facility that they realized I was suffering from all the Torecan side effects. I stopped taking the pills immediately, and by the next day, I was beaming again. That following night, I slept peacefully without any issues. I finally felt like myself again. I wasn't some restless person pacing the floor at night. My OBGYN, whom I switched to before the birth, said it was the first time they had heard of someone having such severe side effects from Torecan. If we have another child, I don't want anything to do with Torecan; I'd much rather hug the toilet bowl as my best friend. I endured eighteen days of absolute hell, and I don't want anyone else to go through that.

I honestly, I have an entire lifetime's worth of stories just like this one. It is absolutely terrifying that in 2019, people are still being subjected to this kind of treatment. It’s even worse when you consider how they're handled in the ER—just a bunch of poor, lost souls who have no idea what their rights are, or they simply don't react fast enough because they don't realize what's being forced upon them. We aren't talking about someone already dealing with neurological issues here; we're talking about perfectly healthy people being broken. This whole Torecan situation is nothing short of a crime against humanity. It needs to be shut down immediately, and someone needs to be held accountable for this madness. And the bystanders? They’re just complicit, standing by and letting it happen instead of stopping it.

Look, if you were actually seriously ill, you wouldn't be sitting there Googling everything. You’d be in a hospital bed. When things get real, then give us a shout. You don't need to be "critically ill" to have nerve damage. And about your constant trips to the ER—they always take a full medical history and run blood work. It’s just how it works. Unfortunately, I'm stuck dealing with doctors for the rest of my life. Besides, if someone is literally dying, they don't give a damn about the standard rules. You could have just gone to a clinic. Honestly? Find a hobby and just finish your degree. Seriously, I'm telling you this as someone who actually managed to graduate despite having nerve damage, a congenital heart defect, and circulatory issues—all while working. Also, you can't just jump into surgery without seeing an anesthesiologist first. What you're saying doesn't hold water; she didn't just "give you an injection" and call it a day. Any kind of damage would show up on an EEG somewhere else. Maybe find a good psychiatrist or a psychologist to talk to. And since this place is so heavily moderated, I'd probably write you a whole paragraph of truth, but I won't.

It would be even better if I couldn't even type on this phone.
I’ve said my piece, and honestly, I stand by every single word I made.

Maybe the guy was just feeling crappy because of the pregnancy, honestly. It’s such a pathetic system—terrible hospitals, terrible doctors—and then you come out here complaining. To be blunt, I think you're full of it. If you've actually got something, show the medical records from before and after. Blur out the names or just transcribe them. Just stop harassing people. And since you want to play lawyer so bad, why don't you ask what happens when they reject your claim?

brightwalker32 said:Sheep who think it's perfectly fine to have their rights trampled while they get screwed over. That’s exactly what you allowed those doctors to do. They just take advantage of the chaos. They’ll inject you with radioactive polonium just to fix a headache or some nausea, and people like you would just accept it without a second thought. And if anyone actually dared to rebel, they'd just label them as "insane."

@brightwalker32/">@@brightwalker32, this isn't some malicious interrogation, I am asking a dead serious question: how on earth did they give you an injection without your consent? If you didn't want to take something you couldn't identify—since you mentioned they promised to write it in the report—why didn't you just refuse when they showed up with the syringe? What were those three people holding you down while the fourth one forced the needle into you?

I don't see any other scenario where someone gives me an injection I don't want unless they physically overpower me. So, technically speaking, you consented to that injection because you didn't fight it. It doesn't matter what was in the syringe at this point; what matters is that you went along with the procedure without even knowing what you were receiving. For all we know, it could have been radioactive polonium, right? Your rights weren't actually violated here. You agreed to it.

The technician was already moving in with the injection when I finally found my voice to ask, "Wait, what exactly are you giving me?" The doctor just brushed me off, saying everything would be documented in my results later. Honestly, the whole thing rattled me so much psychologically that I felt guilty even questioning them. I felt like I was being difficult just for wanting clarity. So, I tried asking the technician instead. He just gave me this breezy, "Oh, it's just a standard medication for dizziness." I was in such a state of panic and total confusion that I couldn't find the courage to say no. I just let it happen. Even though I didn't want that shot, I just froze. That's how it went down.
It’s incredibly easy to get steamrolled like that when you're panicked and haven't been properly informed. I really should have done my homework before even stepping foot in that clinic.
Oh, if you could only imagine how much I beat myself up over this afterward.
BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING—once it actually happened, I snapped out of it. I wasn't going to just sit there and take it. Everyone should either have the backbone to refuse an injection they don't want, or at least fight back when they're being pushed into something. Unfortunately, most people just walk in, accept whatever random shot comes their way, and couldn't care less about what's actually being pumped into their veins. That lack of awareness is exactly why this happened to me.
The real culprit is the person manufacturing that toxic chemical and letting it circulate among the public. It ought to be pulled from the market entirely. This stuff is produced by major corporations in developed nations, and all these people who think Torecan is some miracle cure for nausea or vertigo? If they knew the truth about it, they wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. It shouldn't even be for human use!!!
And I honestly appreciate how "reasonable" everyone is being on this forum. Instead of thanking me for sharing, you're all just tearing me down. Instead of joining the fight against this, you're attacking me. It’s no wonder we see Torecan sitting on the shelves of every ER and doctors handing it out like candy; it's because we live in a nation that refuses to think for itself. Just so you know, the instructions for Torecan state it’s meant to be administered thirty minutes before a surgical procedure to prevent vomiting. You could easily end up in a disaster scenario where you're being prepped for surgery and they inject you with Torecan before you're even conscious. But hey, I guess that's fine since we're such a mindless society.
I just feel sorry for myself, having been screwed over by criminal pharmaceutical companies, a broken system, and the fools who enable it all. People flock to the ER for every little dizzy spell and it never even crosses their minds to research the chemicals being used on them. These same people complain about how bad things are in America, yet they do absolutely nothing to change it. When you try to shine a light on something for the better, they just spit on you. They defend a system that treats them like worms. Human stupidity truly knows no bounds!
If it weren't for the side effects from the Torecan, I wouldn't be so worked up about this happening.
It's like trying to enlighten sheep, only to have them crap all over you. Beautiful.

You hit the nail right on the head

I don't know what kind of nonsense you're spouting, thinking some technician just handed you an injection. Realistically, an injection comes from a nurse or a doctor—you know, actual medical professionals. You should probably attach your lab results before or after, and honestly? You need to find yourself a decent psychiatrist or psychologist, whoever. Just go deal with your core issue first. You can transcribe the results if you want, but any kind of damage is obvious—it shows up right there on the EEG.

Look, I almost turned something down myself. Here’s the thing: that paperwork where you sign off on refusing a procedure or anesthesia. People change their minds incredibly fast. Even if you don't care about it now, you’d be freaking out tomorrow. Just drop all this stuff and move on. You definitely had tests done; they didn't just skip your medical history and vitals before giving you an injection—I don't believe you for even half a second. They always take vitals. This is just one tiny slice of the story you're trying to sell. Tell the whole damn thing from start to finish with every single detail. But you won't. Did they take your history at the ER? Did they set up an IV in your arm or leg? Did you get fluids? Did you warn them about allergies? Did they do an EKG, a chest X-ray, check your blood pressure, or your oxygen levels? Just stop talking nonsense for a second. How about answering my questions first? In a normal country like America, they'd charge you just for showing up at the ER for nothing. As for me, none of the neurologists I've seen have ever jerked me around. Maybe if you changed your attitude, some doctor might actually take you seriously. Finish school; you can always get married later, and as for kids—there are plenty of ways to go about that. I had big plans for my life too, and look how that turned out. Stop self-pitying and being so selfish. How is it that your nerve damage started exactly when you began taking Adderall? And have you considered that you're being a pain to everyone else, not just doctors? You know, plenty of people have complained or made fun of you. Unfortunately, karma is a real bitch. Remember when the director took them to the ER after they were arguing with the doctors? Yeah. There are so many things.

And here's another thing. Maybe one of us would’ve actually recommended a decent neurologist to you, but honestly? Given how you're acting—and the fact that you've fixated on "torecan" like it's some holy grail, giving this whole half-baked, rambling story from start to finish without even answering a single direct question because you're too busy obsessing over "torecan."

Betty Lopez3 said:@brightwalker32/">@@brightwalker32, look, I’m not trying to be malicious here, I am asking a dead serious question: how on earth did they inject you without asking? If you didn't want to take something when you didn't know what it was (you said they told you it would be in the report), why didn't you just say "no" when they showed up with the needle? What were those three people doing holding you down while the fourth one forced an injection into you?

I honestly don't see any other way this plays out if someone tries to give me an injection I don't want, unless they physically overpower me and force it. So, technically speaking, you consented to the injection because you didn't push back when it happened. It doesn't matter now what was actually in the syringe; what matters is that you went along with the injection without getting an answer about what you were receiving. For all we know, it could have been radioactive polonium in there, right... You're right, though, so legally, nothing was violated. You agreed to it.

Unfortunately, maybe this really was the scenario you described. How does someone even "charge at you" with an injection? They always just give it to you in the arm, hand, or shoulder. Maybe the stomach. I have a feeling it was one massive syringe and maybe it wasn't even at a regular ER. Like, maybe it was a neuro ER or a psych ward. I might be wrong, but this whole story is full of holes.

Brandon Newman95, I honestly cannot believe you have the nerve to defend this. Manufacturing that Torecan is nothing short of a crime against humanity. It’s absolutely revolting. Honestly, people like you—who stand by and support these kinds of atrocities—are the reason millions suffer. I truly wish you could experience the effects of Torecan or some other toxic poison firsthand; then maybe you’d stop playing advocate. You are just as disgusting as the person who cooked up this venom. A complete disgrace to mankind. I am genuinely repulsed by you.

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brightwalker32 said:Brandon Newman95, you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to defend this crime. Making that Torecan stuff is nothing short of a crime against humanity. Ugh. You seriously make my skin crawl. It's people like you, supporting this kind of garbage, that cause millions to suffer. I honestly wish someone would hit you with a dose of Torecan or some other poison just so you could see how much it hurts before you start defending it again. You're just as disgusting as the person who manufactured that toxin—absolute bottom of the barrel. I am genuinely repulsed by you.

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You know what? Where am I defending it? Stick it where the sun don't shine. You didn't answer a single damn question. You even admitted yourself that you don't trust anything here. Honestly, it’s no wonder nobody takes you seriously. For your own sake, and everyone else's on this board—it's no surprise you're dismissed. Maybe take a look in the mirror and check your attitude. Seriously, go find yourself a decent therapist or psychologist. And listen to this coming from someone waiting on open-heart surgery. I'm popping handfuls of pills because I *have* to, not because I feel like it. So maybe back off. I've dealt with suspicions of MS, Huntington's, ALS, endometriosis, cancer scares, allergies, and a whole laundry list of neurological issues. So you really don't need to come at me with that crap. Real sick people come here. With an attitude like yours, it's no mystery why no one treats you with respect. I've literally been through ER docs, specialists, psychologists, cardiologists, internists, you name it. And if I had a legitimate complaint, they actually listened. Because unlike you, I actually know how to act like a civilized human being. It's because of people like you that sick people can't get the medical help they need. The whole world is sad. But hey, start with yourself first. Why won't you answer any questions? You just skip over them every single time. Why? You should be the one feeling ashamed of how you talk to other people on this forum.

I am seriously ill. I’m not even 24 yet, but I’m dealing with symptoms typically seen in populations aged 80 and older suffering from frontotemporal dementia. Honestly, I’m terrified I won’t even make it to 40 because of this damage. I fear I’ll face an early death, suffering through the kind of dementia I’ve read about online from people who suffered similar neurological damage. Any substance that affects the psyche—even something as basic as an aspirin—can make my condition worse. My sensitivity to any psychoactive substance is extreme; it’s dangerous. Even after the initial damage from the AD, the last thing I needed was an injection of Torecan. And let's be clear: that Torecan isn't something healthy people should even touch! The symptoms I'm fighting have completely destroyed my life. My quality of life is abysmal. It feels utterly inhumane. I am suffering like an animal. I can't even get neurological tests done because the doctors refuse to take my case seriously or run any scans once I tell them my damage was caused by their antidepressants and their Torecan. I’ve been tossed aside by the healthcare system like a stray dog. Besides, how would I even upload images of my medical records here?

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brightwalker32 said:I am seriously sick. I’m not even 24 yet, and I’m dealing with symptoms usually seen in 80-year-olds suffering from frontotemporal dementia. I’m terrified I won't even make it to 40 because of this damage. I'm scared I'll die young and miserable from dementia, just like people I've met online who suffered similar brain damage. These symptoms have completely wrecked my life. My quality of life is nonexistent. This is totally inhumane!!! I'm suffering like an animal. I don't have any neurological test results because doctors refuse to even look at my case or send me for testing the second I tell them my damage was caused by their antidepressants and Torcetine. I've been tossed aside by the system like a dog. And how am I supposed to even upload photos of medical records here?

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Of course you don't have them, because any doctor would send you for testing. That damage didn't come from the meds. The damage was already there. If nothing shows up, they'll just pull your insurance coverage. Stop listening to random people on the internet. You had to get a discharge summary if you were in the ER. And check your insurance. As for me? Come on, think about it for a second. Brain damage shows up on MRIs, CT scans, EEGs, and stuff like that. What was the stressor before all that happened? Just stop telling them it's because of the medication, then maybe they'll actually send you for tests.