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Best drive recommendations for a Synology 2 x4TB setup?

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wiredotter14 wiredotter14 RegularOP
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We’re looking at getting a NAS for a small office, most likely this one: https://www.nabava.net/nas-uredaji/s...jena-103775591

Need some advice on 2x4TB drives for a RAID 1 setup, or maybe a different NAS if the price point is similar.

Ideally, I'd grab both from the same vendor, but I'm not picky.

Is Seagate IronWolf any good? Is there anything smarter out there that doesn't cost an arm and a leg $333 per drive?
driftingcanyon2 driftingcanyon2 Active Member
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#2 ·
Based on the specs, that NAS seems decent enough, especially since those Seagate IronWolf drives are PMR, which makes them a solid fit for a NAS setup.
However, if you're looking at the same price point, you can actually find a better deal over at Western Digital because their X300 is noticeably faster with that 7200 rpm spindle speed, not to mention it comes with double the buffer at 128 MB:
wiredotter14 wiredotter14 RegularOP
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Speed isn't really my priority here, especially since those drives cost more. Does running at 7200rpm actually kill the lifespan of a drive faster?
driftingcanyon2 driftingcanyon2 Active Member
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It’s only a couple of dollars more, so the price is basically the same. In my experience, Western Digital or Toshiba are usually better bets than Seagate. You can also forget that myth about 7200 rpm drives having shorter lifespans. I personally don't buy anything under 7200 rpm; you can actually feel the performance difference once you run some benchmark tests and see for yourself.
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driftingcanyon2 said:It’s only a couple of dollars more, so the price is basically the same. In my experience, Western Digital or Toshiba are usually better bets than Seagate. You can also forget that myth about 7200 rpm drives having shorter lifespans. I personally don't buy anything under 7200 rpm; you can actually feel the performance difference once you run some benchmark tests and see for yourself.

Seagate IronWolf is $300, this one is 1000. Not a massive gap, but it's not nothing either.

What kind of speeds am I looking at for 5900 vs 7200 rpm? It'll be running on Gigabit LAN.
Edward Stewart Edward Stewart Member
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wiredotter14 said:Seagate IronWolf is $300, this one is 1000. Not a massive gap, but it's not nothing either.

What kind of speeds am I looking at for 5900 vs 7200 rpm? It'll be running on Gigabit LAN.

It’s the same story... the bottleneck is going to be the network rather than the drives themselves (1 Gbps is theoretically 125 MB/s, though in practice you're looking at 110-115 MB/s on a solid network setup with decent NICs and cabling).
Seagate IronWolf drives are a perfectly fine choice. You might consider a Toshiba N300 (instead of an X series), and since Western Digital seems to struggle a bit with their Red line lately, I'd suggest sticking with the Red Plus—that's what should count as the "real" Red series.

What's the intended role for this NAS? Are we talking about a dedicated backup solution or just a general file server?
I ask because RAID isn't actually a backup; it's just redundancy to ensure you don't face downtime if a single drive fails. If you truly want a backup strategy, you might want to aim for a 4-bay Synology or QNAP unit, allowing you to add another drive (or a pair) to automatically back up your "primary" RAID1 set. If budget is a concern, a 3-bay QNAP TS-328 would work well for a 2+1 configuration.
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Edward Stewart said:It’s the same story... the bottleneck is going to be the network rather than the drives themselves (1 Gbps is theoretically 125 MB/s, though in practice you're looking at 110-115 MB/s on a solid network setup with decent NICs and cabling).
Seagate IronWolf drives are a perfectly fine choice. You might consider a Toshiba N300 (instead of an X series), and since Western Digital seems to struggle a bit with their Red line lately, I'd suggest sticking with the Red Plus—that's what should count as the "real" Red series.

What's the intended role for this NAS? Are we talking about a dedicated backup solution or just a general file server?
I ask because RAID isn't actually a backup; it's just redundancy to ensure you don't face downtime if a single drive fails. If you truly want a backup strategy, you might want to aim for a 4-bay Synology or QNAP unit, allowing you to add another drive (or a pair) to automatically back up your "primary" RAID1 set. If budget is a concern, a 3-bay QNAP TS-328 would work well for a 2+1 configuration.

File server.
I get that RAID isn't backup, especially if it's sitting in the same office, but we don't need more than 4TB. Dropping two drives into RAID just so we don't lose everything if one dies isn't a massive investment. Sure, 4x4TB in a 3+1 setup would be better for redundancy (giving us 12TB), but we don't need that much space.
If we end up needing raw storage later, we can just slap a hard drive into one of the PCs; right now, we're strictly SSD.
If we need more capacity down the road, we can grab a 4-bay unit for the office and move this 2-bay one home to set up some kind of remote backup. I think Synology can handle that.

The network is basic, nothing fancy, but everything is hardwired—no WiFi. Speed isn't a huge deal; we're talking about moving a few GBs at a time. Whether it takes five seconds or a minute doesn't matter to us.

What's the real difference between Toshiba N300, X300, and IronWolf?

P.S.

Just double-checking—does that Synology model support RAID 1 without any weird fine print?
Does anyone know if there are recurring subscription fees, or is it just a one-time purchase?
Basically, I just need standard RAID 1 where one disk mirrors the other.
Edward Stewart Edward Stewart Member
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#8 ·
wiredotter14 As wiredotter14 once noted:
I have been giving quite a bit of thought lately to the matter of setting up a dedicated file server, a project that seems to loom on the horizon of my technical ambitions like a distant mountain range. It is one of those fundamental tasks that sounds deceptively simple when you first contemplate it—just a box full of drives, right?—but once you begin to peel back the layers of complexity regarding redundancy, throughput, and long-term reliability, the sheer scale of the decision-making process becomes rather overwhelming. One finds oneself caught in a perpetual loop of comparing hardware specifications, weighing the merits of various drive architectures, and wondering if one should lean toward a more streamlined setup or go all-out with a heavy-duty enterprise rig. I find myself looking at the different options available on the market, perhaps considering a Western Digital setup or even exploring what a QNAP might offer in terms of out-of-the-box utility. There is an inherent tension between wanting the speed of high-end drives and the quiet, unassuming stability of something like a Seagate IronWolf series, which always seems to be the gold standard for these kinds of persistent storage tasks. Of course, there is the ever-present question of capacity versus cost. Should one invest in several Seagate Exos drives to ensure maximum longevity, or is it more prudent to stick with something more consumer-oriented, like a collection of WD Blue or even some Seagate Barracuda drives for less critical data? It’s a delicate balancing act, much like trying to navigate a complex legal statute or managing a large-scale logistics operation here in the States. Every choice feels like it carries a weight of future regret if not handled with sufficient deliberation. I am still in the deliberative phase, gathering my thoughts and perhaps waiting for a bit more clarity before I commit to a specific configuration.
I am well aware that RAID isn't a substitute for a true backup—especially when you’re keeping everything under the same roof in the same office—but since we aren't looking for more than 4TB of usable space, setting up two drives in a RAID configuration just to guard against a single drive failure doesn't seem like a massive financial undertaking. Of course, if we were aiming for maximum efficiency regarding redundancy, opting for four 4TB drives in a 3+1 setup would grant us 12TB of capacity, but frankly, we simply don't have a need for that much overhead.

Well, that’s certainly true, provided you go ahead and configure them in a RAID 5 or RAID 6 setup.
I was contemplating a more functional division of labor here—essentially splitting things up so that one portion serves as the primary file server, while the other is dedicated strictly to backups. My thought process is that the backup segment should be accessible only by the administrator or via internal NAS processes; this way, you create a much sturdier defense against any potential malware or viruses originating from Windows machines and general users. By isolating the data like that, you can also properly implement snapshots to ensure everything stays secure and recoverable.
If you have the physical room to spare, I suppose one could certainly apply that same principle using smaller drives—say, 2TB or 3TB models—though, if we are being practical, those 4TB units tend to be the sweet spot for value right now. It’s all about that price-per-gigabyte ratio, isn't it?

wiredotter14 As I was reflecting on our previous discussions, it occurs to me that we should perhaps revisit the core of the matter. It seems to me that there is a certain nuance being overlooked here, much like how one might miss the subtle complexities of a classic piece of literature if they were only skimming the surface. I find myself contemplating whether our current trajectory aligns with the broader objectives we initially set out to achieve. One cannot simply rush headlong into a decision without considering the long-term implications, much like an investor carefully weighing the risks before committing to a major position in the S&P 500. What do you all think? Is it possible that we are overcomplicating what should be a relatively straightforward process, or am I perhaps being too cautious in my assessment? I would be quite interested to hear your thoughts on this, provided you have the inclination to share them.
If we find ourselves in need of some clean, dedicated storage down the road, it would be quite simple enough to just pop a hard drive into one of our workstations; at the moment, though, we're strictly running on SSDs.
If we find ourselves needing more breathing room down the road, we could always pick up a 4-bay unit for the office, and then simply migrate this 2-bay setup back home. I suspect we could figure out a way to integrate some sort of remote backup system as well—it seems like something that should be quite manageable if we stick with Synology.

I must say, I find myself agreeing that our modern NAS units are remarkably well-equipped these days from a software perspective; indeed, that seems to be where their true value lies, particularly when you consider the sheer utility of integrated features like VPN support, robust backup solutions, and all those other helpful little tools that make life so much easier.
If we look strictly at the hardware itself, I still maintain that one could potentially assemble a much more cost-effective setup by utilizing standard PC components rather than specialized gear.

wiredotter14 said:File server.
I get that RAID isn't backup, especially if it's sitting in the same office, but we don't need more than 4TB. Dropping two drives into RAID just so we don't lose everything if one dies isn't a massive investment. Sure, 4x4TB in a 3+1 setup would be better for redundancy (giving us 12TB), but we don't need that much space.
If we end up needing raw storage later, we can just slap a hard drive into one of the PCs; right now, we're strictly SSD.
If we need more capacity down the road, we can grab a 4-bay unit for the office and move this 2-bay one home to set up some kind of remote backup. I think Synology can handle that.

The network is basic, nothing fancy, but everything is hardwired—no WiFi. Speed isn't a huge deal; we're talking about moving a few GBs at a time. Whether it takes five seconds or a minute doesn't matter to us.

What's the real difference between Toshiba N300, X300, and IronWolf?

P.S.

Just double-checking—does that Synology model support RAID 1 without any weird fine print?
Does anyone know if there are recurring subscription fees, or is it just a one-time purchase?
Basically, I just need standard RAID 1 where one disk mirrors the other.

It seems that manufacturers have gone to great lengths to segment their product lines, essentially carving them into two distinct camps. On one hand, you have what they label as the standard consumer drives—the everyday workhorses like the Seagate Barracuda, WD Blue, or even the Toshiba P300 / X300. Then, on the other side of the aisle, they position the more specialized NAS or server-grade options, such as the Seagate IronWolf, WD Red, or the Toshiba N300. It is quite a deliberate way of categorizing things, wouldn't you agree?
It is also worth noting that there are specific models engineered specifically for surveillance applications—the kind designed to handle constant, non-stop recording cycles—such as the Seagate SkyHawk, the WD Purple, or even the Toshiba S300 series.
None of that actually matters, provided you happen to have a bit of luck on your side. 🙂 At the end of the day, any of them will get the job done, because even those high-end drives from the "enterprise" lines—I'm talking about the Seagate Exos, Toshiba Enterprise, or WD Gold—can fail just as easily as the rest.

Now, one shouldn't be under the impression that RAID requires some sort of extra fee; it is truly their core functionality, after all. In fact, if you look at the offerings from Synology or QNAP, they actually include a bit of free cloud storage space to get you started.
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Edward Stewart said:
wiredotter14 As wiredotter14 once noted:
I have been giving quite a bit of thought lately to the matter of setting up a dedicated file server, a project that seems to loom on the horizon of my technical ambitions like a distant mountain range. It is one of those fundamental tasks that sounds deceptively simple when you first contemplate it—just a box full of drives, right?—but once you begin to peel back the layers of complexity regarding redundancy, throughput, and long-term reliability, the sheer scale of the decision-making process becomes rather overwhelming. One finds oneself caught in a perpetual loop of comparing hardware specifications, weighing the merits of various drive architectures, and wondering if one should lean toward a more streamlined setup or go all-out with a heavy-duty enterprise rig. I find myself looking at the different options available on the market, perhaps considering a Western Digital setup or even exploring what a QNAP might offer in terms of out-of-the-box utility. There is an inherent tension between wanting the speed of high-end drives and the quiet, unassuming stability of something like a Seagate IronWolf series, which always seems to be the gold standard for these kinds of persistent storage tasks. Of course, there is the ever-present question of capacity versus cost. Should one invest in several Seagate Exos drives to ensure maximum longevity, or is it more prudent to stick with something more consumer-oriented, like a collection of WD Blue or even some Seagate Barracuda drives for less critical data? It’s a delicate balancing act, much like trying to navigate a complex legal statute or managing a large-scale logistics operation here in the States. Every choice feels like it carries a weight of future regret if not handled with sufficient deliberation. I am still in the deliberative phase, gathering my thoughts and perhaps waiting for a bit more clarity before I commit to a specific configuration.
I am well aware that RAID isn't a substitute for a true backup—especially when you’re keeping everything under the same roof in the same office—but since we aren't looking for more than 4TB of usable space, setting up two drives in a RAID configuration just to guard against a single drive failure doesn't seem like a massive financial undertaking. Of course, if we were aiming for maximum efficiency regarding redundancy, opting for four 4TB drives in a 3+1 setup would grant us 12TB of capacity, but frankly, we simply don't have a need for that much overhead.

Well, that’s certainly true, provided you go ahead and configure them in a RAID 5 or RAID 6 setup.
I was contemplating a more functional division of labor here—essentially splitting things up so that one portion serves as the primary file server, while the other is dedicated strictly to backups. My thought process is that the backup segment should be accessible only by the administrator or via internal NAS processes; this way, you create a much sturdier defense against any potential malware or viruses originating from Windows machines and general users. By isolating the data like that, you can also properly implement snapshots to ensure everything stays secure and recoverable.
If you have the physical room to spare, I suppose one could certainly apply that same principle using smaller drives—say, 2TB or 3TB models—though, if we are being practical, those 4TB units tend to be the sweet spot for value right now. It’s all about that price-per-gigabyte ratio, isn't it?

wiredotter14 As I was reflecting on our previous discussions, it occurs to me that we should perhaps revisit the core of the matter. It seems to me that there is a certain nuance being overlooked here, much like how one might miss the subtle complexities of a classic piece of literature if they were only skimming the surface. I find myself contemplating whether our current trajectory aligns with the broader objectives we initially set out to achieve. One cannot simply rush headlong into a decision without considering the long-term implications, much like an investor carefully weighing the risks before committing to a major position in the S&P 500. What do you all think? Is it possible that we are overcomplicating what should be a relatively straightforward process, or am I perhaps being too cautious in my assessment? I would be quite interested to hear your thoughts on this, provided you have the inclination to share them.
If we find ourselves in need of some clean, dedicated storage down the road, it would be quite simple enough to just pop a hard drive into one of our workstations; at the moment, though, we're strictly running on SSDs.
If we find ourselves needing more breathing room down the road, we could always pick up a 4-bay unit for the office, and then simply migrate this 2-bay setup back home. I suspect we could figure out a way to integrate some sort of remote backup system as well—it seems like something that should be quite manageable if we stick with Synology.

I must say, I find myself agreeing that our modern NAS units are remarkably well-equipped these days from a software perspective; indeed, that seems to be where their true value lies, particularly when you consider the sheer utility of integrated features like VPN support, robust backup solutions, and all those other helpful little tools that make life so much easier.
If we look strictly at the hardware itself, I still maintain that one could potentially assemble a much more cost-effective setup by utilizing standard PC components rather than specialized gear.

It seems that manufacturers have gone to great lengths to segment their product lines, essentially carving them into two distinct camps. On one hand, you have what they label as the standard consumer drives—the everyday workhorses like the Seagate Barracuda, WD Blue, or even the Toshiba P300 / X300. Then, on the other side of the aisle, they position the more specialized NAS or server-grade options, such as the Seagate IronWolf, WD Red, or the Toshiba N300. It is quite a deliberate way of categorizing things, wouldn't you agree?
It is also worth noting that there are specific models engineered specifically for surveillance applications—the kind designed to handle constant, non-stop recording cycles—such as the Seagate SkyHawk, the WD Purple, or even the Toshiba S300 series.
None of that actually matters, provided you happen to have a bit of luck on your side. 🙂 At the end of the day, any of them will get the job done, because even those high-end drives from the "enterprise" lines—I'm talking about the Seagate Exos, Toshiba Enterprise, or WD Gold—can fail just as easily as the rest.

Now, one shouldn't be under the impression that RAID requires some sort of extra fee; it is truly their core functionality, after all. In fact, if you look at the offerings from Synology or QNAP, they actually include a bit of free cloud storage space to get you started.

We don't really need a split setup for now. This is just a file server for a few people in the office and remote. Someone’s going to set it up so we can access it from outside anyway.

As for building our own—theoretically, we could just cram drives into one of the PCs. We could probably mimic the functionality, but having a dedicated device is just more practical. If someone shuts down a PC, we aren't left stranded. These $500 costs for the unit aren't that bad since it covers our needs and means the PCs don't need their own internal drives.

So, IronWolf is a fine choice. I'll get everything ordered before the drives for Bitcoin mining grab them all up.

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