F1 Italian GP - Monza (Sept 2, 2018)
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#322 ·
stormybadger8 said:I have absolutely no idea what you actually know or don't know...
The only thing I am reasonably certain of is that by the end of this season, you’ll be weeping about how poor Lewis Hamilton had to drive a total junker just to stay in the title fight until the very last second against that absolute disaster of a car...
Hmm, I am not entirely convinced🙂, though it would certainly be entertaining if we were watching a duel right through to the final race.
Lewis Hamilton still holds one advantage besides those 30 points; he can afford to let Max Verstappen get aggressive with Sebastian Vettel, much like what happened at Indianapolis.
Essentially, Hamilton will maintain his lead until the folks over at Mercedes-Benz finally figure out Ferrari's secrets—and judging by their statements, that is exactly what they are working on. Once they do, expect Hamilton to hit warp speed and disappear into the distance.
#323 ·
mellowtiger83 said:I'm not entirely sure about that🙂, but wouldn't it be better if they fought it out until the final race?
Beyond just having a 30-point lead, Hamilton has another advantage: he can afford to let Max get aggressive against Vettel, similar to what we saw at Indianapolis.
Essentially, Hamilton will maintain that gap until the Mercedes-Benz crew figures out Ferrari's secrets. Judging by the recent statements, that's exactly what they're working on, and once they do, you can expect Hamilton to pull away like crazy.
Whatever you say. I'm just waiting for the day someone opens a portal and claims they've been possessed by some dark force.
#324 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:You're just talking in circles here.
What circle? 🙂
I honestly don't get why some people tie their entire sense of success or failure to whether their driver wins a championship or not. 🤔
To me, it makes zero sense. 🤷
In my life, I literally don't care if Sebastian Vettel wins 15 titles or none at all...
I didn't start rooting for him just because he wins trophies, and I'm certainly not going to stop just because he doesn't...
So, I really have no clue what your problem is. 🤔
#325 ·
stormybadger8 said:What kind of network? 🙂
I honestly don't get why some people tie their entire sense of success or failure to whether or not their driver wins a championship. Why does it have to be that way? 🤔
I don't get it. Honestly, I just don't see how that makes any sense. 🤷
It feels like my life has been stuck in a loop: either Sebastian Vettel wins 15 titles or he wins absolutely nothing at all.
I didn't start rooting for him just because he wins championships, and I certainly won't stop just because he doesn't.
Honestly, I have no idea what you're even talking about. 🤔
Honestly, you probably need to give yourself a temporary ban once in a while. I’m not saying that to be mean, but please, just look at the contradictions in your own post. You have those bolded points written above the line, and then there's that little love poem in blue right underneath it. How does that even make sense?
No hard feelings.
#326 ·
Are we ever actually going to grab a beer? Honestly, just let these three little agitators be; they clearly don't grasp how this forum functions yet.
And everyone here is just one step away from being maximally aggressive and overly eager for a fight.🙂
And everyone here is just one step away from being maximally aggressive and overly eager for a fight.🙂
#327 ·
stormybadger8 said:I honestly don't get why some people tie their own sense of success or failure to whether their driver wins a championship or not.🤔
Personally, I just don't see the connection.🤷
To me—quite literally—it makes no difference if a kid wins 15 titles for Sebastian Vettel or absolutely none at all...
I didn't start rooting for him just because he wins championships, and I certainly won't stop just because he doesn't...
So, I really don't understand what the big deal is.🤔
My driver hasn't raced in Formula 1 for ages. If some people find it difficult to recognize impartiality in others, that's probably just their own issue. Given the current lineup, my avatar indicates who my #1 is—any sudden bursts of subjectivity will be reserved solely for him.
Nicholas Newman2 said:Your keyboard is practically preaching. I'm just waiting for the moment someone opens a portal to claim they've been possessed by demons.
Sorry for the off-topic, but I was just playing rFactor 2 with a friend and driving what is, in my opinion, the most incredible Mercedes ever made— C11..
What a beast.🙏
#328 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:Pardon my detour from the main topic, but I am currently over at a friend's place playing rFactor 2, and I am driving what is easily the most brutal Mercedes ever made— C11..
What an absolute beast 🙏
Long live Heinz Harald Frentzen and Peter Sauber.
Regarding the avatar, I could just upload a photo of Sebastian Vettel 🙂 and claim his fandom as my own.
#330 ·
stormybadger8 said:That move around the outside was absolutely brilliant—just a masterstroke! Honestly, seeing Kimi ahead of Lewis is exactly what I wanted to see. 😁
And finally—Kimi's on pole! 🙏
stormybadger8 said:Whether they actually created them or not doesn't even matter...
It’s honestly just a relief that they actually bothered to step outside at all—seriously, it's a win in my book! That kind of combination... honestly? It’s just completely insane—totally beyond any shred of logic. Back when Vettel was actually in the hunt for the championship—man, those were the days! 🤦
What I just can’t wrap my head around—honestly, it baffles me—is how much of a delusional fanatic you actually have to be to watch something like this happen and *not* just sit there in stunned silence, effectively banning yourself from the forums until next season... or, you know, until Formula 1 ends entirely. 🤦
#331 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:👍
Don't go forgetting Michael Schumacher :P
I left him out on purpose. I'm honestly not sure if it would be a good thing to wish he were alive right now.
#332 ·
gentlemoose57 said:I honestly don't get it. How much of a delusional fan do you have to be to not just sit there in silence and ban yourself from this forum until next season? Or better yet, just quit Formula 1 altogether. 🤦
And why on earth would I just go and trivialize that?🤔
If anyone deserves a self-ban, it’s the Ferrari strategists.
Honestly, I actually thought Ferrari had finally woken up and smelled the coffee. I was fully expecting the whole thing to be a calculated strategic move just to block Hamilton at the start.
And even if that were actually true, it wouldn't matter at all who from the red cars crossed the line first and who came in second...
It’s whatever. They just spent the start messing around and taking shots at each other instead of actually working together like Valtteri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton would have to take down the competition.
That's the problem, plain and simple.
At this rate, we’d end up with the exact same result again. If Kimi had just played drafting buddy with Vettel during qualifying, the starting grid would’ve looked like Vettel, Hamilton, Kimi, and Bottas.
Vettel and Hamilton would've smoked Kimi in a heartbeat. Vettel would’ve been sitting pretty on the windsock during pit stops, only to end up crashing out exactly like Kimi did.
America took way better care of their tires, and you could really feel the difference out on track. That’s why they were so much faster during the race. Honestly, the odds of Vettel keeping Hamilton behind him—without any help from Kimi and with Bottas feeding Hamilton instead—were basically zero.
#333 ·
stormybadger8 said:And why on earth would I be the one to self-sabotage...🤔
If anyone needs to be blamed for self-sabotage, it's definitely the Ferrari strategists...
The truth is, I actually thought for a moment that Ferrari had finally figured some things out—I was genuinely expecting the whole thing to be strategically rigged just to block Lewis Hamilton at the start...
and if that were actually the case, it wouldn't have mattered a damn bit who from the red cars took off first or second...
The real issue isn't even that; it's that they went out there trying to mess with each other at the start instead of working together like Valtteri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton would to take down the competition...
That’s the core problem, plain and simple.
Because in the end, the result would've been the same regardless. Even if Kimi Räikkönen had played along during qualifying by following in Vettel's slipstream, the start would've just been Vettel, Hamilton, Kimi, then Bottas...
Vettel and Hamilton would have smoked Kimi in a heartbeat, and Vettel would've ended up in the slipstream during the pit stops, leading to him falling back exactly the same way Kimi did.
See, America's car managed its tires much better—noticeably better—which made them significantly faster during the race itself. Therefore, the chances of Vettel keeping Hamilton behind him, even without Kimi's help and with Bottas helping Hamilton, were incredibly slim...
Maybe if they hadn't gone into the pits after such a few laps, they wouldn't have burned through their soft tires as fast as Kimi did.
Besides, they weren't even messing with each other at the start; it was more like Vettel was just being difficult with Kimi, trying to overtake him within the first three corners. In the end, he proved—just like he did in Germany—that they aren't even in the same league. We all know deep down that Vettel's titles actually belong to Adrian Newey, and he was really just in the right place at the right time.😉
#334 ·
stormybadger8 said:And why would I ever self-banalize...🤔
If anyone deserves to be called self-banalizing, it’s the Ferrari strategists...
The reality is, I had actually convinced myself that Ferrari finally realized a few things, and I was expecting the whole thing to be strategically orchestrated just to block Lewis Hamilton at the start...
and if that were actually the case, it wouldn't have mattered at all who from the red cars took off first or second...
The real issue isn't that, but rather the fact that they chose to mess with one another at the start instead of working together like Valtteri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton do against the competition...
That is the problem, nothing more.
Because in the end, the outcome would have been identical. Even if Kimi Räikkönen had gone out in qualifying to draft behind Vettel, the grid would have just been Vettel, Hamilton, Kimi, Bottas...
Vettel and Hamilton would have blown past Kimi in a heartbeat, and Vettel would have ended up in the slipstream during the pit stops, leading to the exact same result as when Kimi fell back.
Since America manages their tires significantly better—noticeably so—they were faster in the race, which means the chances of Vettel keeping Hamilton behind him without Kimi's help, or even with Bottas helping Hamilton, were extremely slim...
One observation: Vettel's race pace is likely much superior to Räikkönen's, and Vettel probably would have kept Hamilton out of the DRS zone!
Secondly, allowing Kimi to fight with Vettel during this phase of the championship—and worse, allowing him to defend aggressively—is incredibly foolish. It only plays right into Hamilton's hands, and he executed Ferrari's stupidity with cold, clinical precision.
The idiots at Ferrari are acting as if they are fighting for the title against Takumi Satō in Super Aguri, rather than against a powerhouse like Mercedes and one of the greatest drivers alive!
Absolute morons. Let's set aside our affection for Kimi for a moment; almost everyone loves the guy, but he needs to get out of Vettel's way immediately during this part of the season, just like Rubens Barrichello used to move for Michael Schumacher, and that's that.
They made a squared-off stupid move at Indianapolis, and I fear it will cost them the drivers' championship, especially against Hamilton, who is clearly in peak form (a classic second-half-of-the-season trait), and against a team that is starting to slowly figure out Ferrari's secrets.
#335 ·
mellowtiger83 said:Regarding the Avatar thing—I could just post a picture of Sebastian Vettel 🙂 and claim I'm his fan instead!
I see you added this to the original post. I guess one wonders what the point of doing that actually is? 🤷 You might as well just throw in Daniel Ricciardo (the only driver I can't wrap my head around, lol) or that troll Kevin Magnussen 🙄
mellowtiger83 said:Another thing—letting Kimi Räikkönen race against Sebastian Vettel at this stage of the championship, and even worse, having him defend aggressively, is just incredibly foolish. It plays right into Lewis Hamilton's hands, which is basically Ferrari's mistake being executed with cold precision.
The guys over at Ferrari are acting like they’re fighting for the title against Takumi Satō in Super Aguri, rather than against a powerhouse like Mercedes and one of the best drivers out there.
It's pure madness. Setting aside our affection for Kimi—and let's be honest, almost everyone loves the guy—he really needs to step aside for Sebastian Vettel during this part of the season, much like how Rubens Barrichello used to move for Michael Schumacher. That's just it.
They also pulled a total amateur move at Indianapolis, and I fear it might cost them the championship—especially against Lewis Hamilton, who is clearly in top form (as is typical for the second half of the season), and against a team that is starting to figure out Ferrari's secrets.
Ferrari's luck—they expected to get the 2017 version of Kimi Räikkönen, but instead, they got the 2007 version. I suppose that's why Sebastian Vettel is struggling so much, too.
Whenever he’s on pole, it’s always: "Whoooo, ratatatata, adrenaline! Adrenaline! What a machine! Forza Ferrari!! Papapraprapapaparaaapapaaa, thanks guys, full power, bambambambambam, Ferrari!".
But when Kimi finishes ahead of him, the team radio just becomes an angry "WE Speak after ..." 🤣 🤣
Once again, respect to the stewards who only seem to penalize Max for nothing, while everything else—like pushing Sergio Perez into Kevin Magnussen, or Daniel Ricciardo into Pierre Gasly—doesn't even cross their minds.🙏
We probably needed a Max who behaves like Kimi Räikkönen—braking 30m too early against Lewis Hamilton on lap 45—just to lose the spot without even a fight 🙂
And Kevin Magnussen is an absolute legend—there isn't a corner he won't cut 🙏 🤣
#336 ·
gentlemoose57 said:Maybe if they hadn't pitted Vettel so early, they wouldn't have ended up blowing through their soft tires just like Kimi did.
They didn't even go at it just to mess around at the start; Vettel was straight-up trying to bully Kimi Räikkönen, fighting him for position in those first three turns. In the end, he proved exactly what we saw back in Germany—they aren't even in the same league. Let's be real, everyone knows Vettel's titles actually belong to Adrian Newey. He was basically just a lucky passenger. 😉
It wasn't because they pitted too early that Kimi's softs gave out—it’s just that he and Ferrari were straight-up bad.
First off, Kimi should've built a gap of at least three seconds—minimum of the minimum—during that first stint. He just couldn't pull it off.
If they could actually pull that off, they wouldn't be panicking and diving into the pits the second they spot those American mechanics. 🙂
Ferrari should've seen this coming. They knew damn well Bottas could just shut them down if he pitted, and honestly, it’s not even the first time they've been burned like this.
So, apparently, they weren't smart enough to calculate or predict that this could actually happen. Typical. 🙂
Third Kimi's crew told him his lap times were getting tighter and faster, then they probably just went out for coffee and completely forgot about him...
I can't believe people are still talking about this. Honestly, looking back at how things played out, it’s almost funny. Just a classic case of everything going sideways at once.
They wasted about 24 seconds just getting into the pits... why on earth was Ferrari in such a massive rush to get Kimi ahead of Bottas? Honestly, only they know what was going through their heads.
I have zero clue why Kimi dropped that gap to 18 seconds. He definitely shouldn't have trashed his tires like that for no reason. He could've driven way slower and Lewis Hamilton still would've come out behind him, plus Bottas would've been further up the order...
Kimi could have easily overtaken Bottas, but instead, he just spent eight more laps stuck behind him even after getting into the DRS zone... what a waste.
Even America’s tactical strategy was a total mess here, mostly because they clearly didn't see this coming—and honestly, they shouldn't have.🤦
If they’d just left Lewis Hamilton out for one more lap, he would've blown past everyone on his way through the pits. Instead, they rushed to call Louie in the second Kimi even got close to Valtteri Bottas. They were clearly banking on him clearing the field in a lap or two.
If Vettel's titles had actually gone to Newey, he’d be a four-time WDC champion instead of Vettel.☕
Saying something like that is just plain stupid. It’s like claiming all of Hamilton's wins, podiums, and titles belong to Mercedes, and he was just some lucky guy who spent his whole career driving cars with an American engine.
Pure stupidity at its finest. Both of them earned their seats in Formula 1 and in their respective teams—they’re the reason those squads actually climbed the standings and grabbed championships.
You can argue about Lewis Hamilton's first title with McLaren all you want, but don't even try questioning any of Vettel's wins at Red Bull Racing or Louie's run in America.
Let's be real, you can't even give Louie credit for that first one. He only landed the gig because he basically chased Alonso out of the team.
#337 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:So I see you added this to the original post. What was the actual point of doing that? 🤷 You might as well have thrown in Daniel Ricciardo (the only driver I can't wrap my head around, lol) or that troll Kevin Magnussen 🙄
It’s just classic Ferrari, expecting to get the 2017 version of Kimi Räikkönen when they actually got the 2007 version. That’s also why Vettel is struggling so much.
Whenever someone takes pole, it’s always going to be "Whoooo, ratatatata, adrenaline! Adrenaline! What a machine! Forza Ferrari!! Papapraprapapaparaaapapaaa, thanks guys, full force, bambambambambam, Ferrari!".
But then, once Kimi finishes ahead of him, the team radio is just pure irritation: "WE Speak after ..." 🤣 🤣
Once again, respect to the stewards who only seem to penalize Max for nothing, while ignoring everything else—like pushing Sergio Perez into Kevin Magnussen, or Daniel Ricciardo into Pierre Gasly. They don't even bother looking at it. 🙏
Max should have been like Kimi Räikkönen against Lewis Hamilton (lap 45), braking 30m too early and losing his spot without any fight. 🙂
It doesn't matter if it's the 2007 Kimi or the 2048 version; what matters is that at this stage of the championship, he shouldn't, and frankly can't, race against Vettel.
Especially not when they are fighting Lewis Hamilton and losing 17 points to him by the time we hit Indianapolis, and especially since Mercedes has already gone public stating that Valtteri Bottas is the number two driver.
God knows what is happening inside Ferrari, but it is obvious that something is fundamentally broken.
At Indianapolis, they acted like idiots and shot both drivers in the foot at the same time.
For heaven's sake, Kimi going aggressive with tire blocking in the first chicane—that’s just typical of how people view this Ferrari era.
Honestly, it feels like they are intentionally trying to make Vettel lose the title.
And now everyone is acting surprised that Vettel snapped; Lewis Hamilton would have lost his mind even worse 🙂, making Vettel's reaction perfectly clear regardless of what anyone thinks of him.
#338 ·
gentlemoose57 said:Maybe if they hadn't gone into the pits after such a tiny number of laps, they wouldn't have run out of soft tires at the end like Kimi Räikkönen did.
They weren't even messing around at the start; instead, Vettel was just trying to bully Kimi Räikkönen and overtake him within the first three turns. In the end, he proved once again—just like in Germany—that he isn't exactly in the same league. Besides, we all know Vettel's titles actually belong to Adrian Newey; he was basically just a lucky passenger. 😉
Lewis Hamilton won his titles driving a lightning-fast Mercedes😁,something even I, as a self-proclaimed Hamilton supporter, couldn't possibly argue against.
#339 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:Shout out to the stewards for once again punishing Max for absolutely nothing, while they completely ignore everything else—like when Perez shoves Magnussen or Ricciardo hits Gasly. It's like they don't even bother looking. 🙏
Max should've been like Kimi against Hamilton back at lap 45, braking 30m too early and just giving up the spot without a fight. 🙂
And Magnussen is a total legend—there isn't a single corner he won't cut. 🙏 🤣
I honestly don't see where you're seeing Perez pushing Magnussen. 🤦
Magnussen is the one who should've taken a penalty. The idiot cuts the corner and flies onto the track right in front of Perez without even looking, and he literally doesn't give a damn. If anyone deserved a penalty there, it was Magnussen. He had zero business being on the racing line at that moment, let alone right in front of Perez.
That was a textbook unsafe release. 😁
#340 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:And once Kimi crosses the line ahead of him, the team radio is just a pissed-off "WE Speak after ..." 🤣 🤣
Which just goes to show how "polite" he's been lately. 😬Getting better, I guess. 😁
Lewis Hamilton's team radio in the same spot: Is it because I'm Black? Are you insane? Are you fucking insane!!!
Fernando Alonso's team radio in the same spot: Break his gearbox now! Now!!!
Tell him it's safer for him to start behind Max ☕
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