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F1 Italian GP - Monza (Sept 2, 2018)

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steelmaker83 steelmaker83 Active Member
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#301 ·
It’s easy to see why. He’s slowly morphing into one of those driver fanatics who will likely end up—if he’s lucky—just like the guy he hates most on this forum. The thing is, Fernando Alonso is a legitimate champion and a racer with actual guts, regardless of how much of a mess the last few seasons have been. Sebastian can never claim that level of grit. Honestly, he’d be better off heading back to Toro Rosso. As it stands, he’s just embarrassing himself, acting as if those four titles aren't already enough of a talking point on their own...
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#302 ·
Even last season, he had one outburst where he claimed Sebastian Vettel finishing fourth in a race was actually a bigger achievement than Lewis Hamilton winning that very same race. 😍
Amy Castillo4 Amy Castillo4 Active Member
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#303 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:That’s basically the difference between him and Lewis—just total composure. Whether Lewis is sitting in P1 or grinding through P20, he’s almost always stays incredibly steady and ice-cold under pressure.

Wait, didn't people on this forum give Lewis Hamilton the nickname "Popcorn" a few years back?

And now he’s out here presenting himself as some sort of cold-blooded Scandinavian.
crimsonhawk23 crimsonhawk23 Member
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#304 ·
So, we have arrived in 2018.
crimsonhawk23 crimsonhawk23 Member
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#305 ·
https://streamable.com/gpb52

I mean, Kimi Räikkönen is just on another level, I guess. 🙏 😁
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#306 ·
steelmaker83 said:It makes sense, really. He’s slowly morphing into one of those driver fanboys who’ll end up—if he’s lucky—just like the guy everyone here hates most. Except Alonso is a legitimate champion and a driver with actual guts, regardless of his recent disasters. Sebastian will never be that. Honestly, he'd be better off heading back to Toro Rosso. Right now, he's just embarrassing himself, acting like those four titles aren't already enough of a talking point on their own...


As if 🙂
🤣🤣 🤣

Even if Vettel-like actually got a shot at Ferrari tomorrow like Alonso did, and then went straight to Toro Rosso to rot there for the next 5 or 6 years begging for a single point while singing songs about the GP2 engine over the radio, he'd still have twice the career success of Alonso...
Keep dreaming, 😁
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#307 ·
Thomas Davis98 said:Where did you get 44? That number is way too low. You can't just count how many points Sebastian Vettel threw away with his stupid mistakes; you have to factor in how many extra points Lewis Hamilton gained because of them.

Let’s be real, Sebastian Vettel definitely left a ton of points on the table because of his own boneheaded mistakes.
He completely blew it. He was totally locked in, but thanks to Ferrari's sheer stupidity...

Even Lewis Hamilton basically just lucked his way through that. He managed to slide through every single collision on the track without a scratch, and then he gets handed a massive win on a silver platter thanks to the competition completely screwing up.
First, his teammate punctures a tire, then he gets gifts from Toto Wolff while watching an agitated Valtteri Bottas crack a smile... and then, just for the icing on the cake, Kimi and Ferrari swoop in to finish the job. 😵

It’s pretty interesting to see what the standings actually look like when you strip away all the nonsense—no math required to figure out who got handed a gift, who got shoved off track, or who was gifted a position through some other ridiculous bullshit. When you just look at the raw results, this is where we stand:
Bottas is running neck-and-neck on track—that’s an 8-point gap between him and Sebastian Vettel.
Bottas finishes on the same level—that's 8 points shaved off Lewis Hamilton's lead.

Kimi is right on his heels—only 13 points behind Sebastian Vettel.
Kimi is right on his heels—only 3 points behind Lewis Hamilton.

If you just look at the points, Bottas is basically a non-factor. But Kimi? He’s doing an incredible job for Mercedes. Honestly, a third of Hamilton's lead came from his side of the garage. 🎉

That "genius" Ariverbene is out here dropping these brilliant takes, claiming Sebastian Vettel should have been playing wingman to Kimi. Apparently, if they’d just nailed the strategy, Kimi would've taken the win. He’s even going on about how those team orders against Kimi were total garbage. 🙏
It’s no surprise Vettel is losing his mind... honestly, the smartest move he could make is to ditch Ferrari. Staying with a boss who's clearly struggling to make sense of things just isn't a winning strategy.

Fact is, if Vettel had just kept his cool and played it smarter this season, he’d be sitting on way more points. If he hadn't wasted energy on those stupid battles, that gap between him and Kimi wouldn't look nearly as massive as it does now.
Look, it doesn't matter. It's not like the team is tasked with fighting for the championship on his behalf—their actual job is supposed to be helping him get there. 🤦

Screw Ferrari. After that performance, they deserve to be kicked right out of the garage—fast.
It doesn't even matter if he picked Kimi or Sebastian at the start of the season. When you're in a title fight like this, with Lewis Hamilton on one side and a totally subservient Valtteri Bottas backing him up all year, you have to be the No. 1 driver. There shouldn't be any doubt about that.
If you didn't back Kimi Räikkönen at the start of the season, then looking at these points right now, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. 🤦
You really shouldn't be making a call like that when it’s crystal clear from Germany that they're using Bottas as the No. 2 driver. They aren't even hiding it—they're practically shouting it all over the media that he's officially the second driver.
They even handed you an alibi on a silver platter, yet you still don't have the guts to make the call—even though it’s completely obvious and exactly what everyone on the planet expects. 🤦

Allowing this kind of stupidity while you're fighting for a championship is insane. Letting your drivers tear points away from each other and basically giving them a green light to mess around at the start? From a team management standpoint, that's just pure, unadulterated idiocy. 😵

The real tragedy is that if Toto Wolff had been in his shoes at Indianapolis Motor Speedway starting Friday, Vettel would have cruised to a win easy as pie...
If he’d been at Indy in his spot from two laps in onwards, Vettel would’ve finished second or at least third...
Because after Kimi got screwed by Lewis Hamilton, he would've just received the most casual order from Wolff to hold up Max Verstappen and Valtteri Bottas, letting Vettel on those faster tires catch up and blow past them way earlier...
And then, once that was done, the mission would be to pull over on the final lap—regardless of whether he actually overtakes Vettel, Bottas, or Max... Wolff would make it happen, even if it only meant grabbing those three extra points...
I'm terrified that Ariverbene is too spineless to actually pull this off, even if it were the final race of the season or if the move secured them the championship 🤦
Susan Jones8 Susan Jones8 Member
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#308 ·
For the crew up above arguing about how many points Sebastian Vettel actually dropped—the Brits have gone to the trouble of crunching the numbers for the last two seasons:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...two-years.html
Nicholas Newman2 Nicholas Newman2 Member
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#309 ·
James Walker57 said:For everyone up there arguing about how many points he actually wasted—some folks in the UK actually sat down and crunched the numbers for the last two seasons:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...two-years.html

Unbelievable. Thanks, zekohonda1.
Thomas Davis98 Thomas Davis98 Newcomer
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#310 ·
James Walker57 said:For those folks up there arguing about how many points were essentially wasted—the British have actually gone through the trouble of crunching the numbers for the last two seasons:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...two-years.html

I had completely slipped my mind regarding what happened in Azerbaijan earlier this year 👍
The analysis for this season holds some water, but looking at last year is just absurd... 😁There’s no way Lewis Hamilton would have finished second in Singapore; he would have ended up behind all three of those guys who crashed out. Honestly, Sebastian Vettel probably would have walked away with the championship last year if it weren't for those two massive blunders in Baku and Singapore
crimsonhawk23 crimsonhawk23 Member
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#311 ·
James Walker57 said:For those folks upstairs debating how many points he actually wasted—it seems some Americans have done the math for the last two seasons:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...two-years.html

What a guy
This looks even worse for 2018 than what I 🤦was trying to estimate from memory just yesterday. 🤦 I suppose he might "improve" things just a bit more before the season ends, if we're being optimistic 😵.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#312 ·
James Walker57 said:For the crowd up there arguing about how many points he wasted—the Brits actually went through the trouble of crunching the numbers for the last two seasons:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...two-years.html

Lucky they didn't count Hamilton's mistakes 😍

Great math here. Especially when you're just pulling "estimates" out of thin air about who would've finished where... Sure, half of this stuff is pure fiction, but who cares? As long as people click...
Then again, you can't really blame them. It's the Daily Mail; they have about as much connection to Formula 1 as a local tabloid does to a Story 🙂
crimsonhawk23 crimsonhawk23 Member
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#313 ·
stormybadger8 said:Those calculations are quite something—especially when you're just tossing out guesses about who might finish where... I suppose half of them are purely speculative and don't really align with reality, but I guess it doesn't matter as long as people click...
I can't say I blame them, though. It's the Daily Mail, after all—they have about as much to do with Formula 1 as a local news outlet would with a 🙂Story

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mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
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#314 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:image

I heard a rumor that DHL reached out to him regarding a sponsorship deal.🙂
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#315 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:image

Oh, really?
Even wondering where anyone would have finished if Vettel hadn't spun out is a massive stretch...

Who knows how the race would have played out? Would Vettel's tires even have lasted? Probably not, since they were 32 laps old with 16 to go...
Would Ferrari have pulled off a perfect pit stop? Would they have actually picked the right tires? Maybe, maybe not...
Could he have even held onto first place after pitting? Who knows...

It's just a pile of unknowns that nobody can answer...
And then you look at Baku, which is an even bigger question mark...
I mean, Bottas hit debris on track there and ended up with a DNF...
Who's to say if Hamilton was leading or Vettel was leading, would they have hit that same debris and traded a win for a DNF in those last 4 or 5 laps? 🙂

If Vettel had messed up in more scenarios, sure, we could talk, but trying to calculate the exact points lost? Not happening...
You simply can't know where people would have placed or how things would have unfolded. Most of this is just mindless chatter and nothing more...
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
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#316 ·
Enough with the constant jokes about Vettel! Have you all even heard me?🙂.

Good grief, do you people realize that if Hamilton ever gets sidelined, we won't be able to survive on nothing but Vettel's fanboys alone.
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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#317 ·
Sebastian Vettel doesn't need any trash talk.

He’s more than enough of his own worst critic. ☕
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#318 ·
mellowtiger83 said:Enough with the constant Sebastian Vettel jokes already! Seriously, listen to me.🙂.

Man, do you guys realize if Lewis Hamilton ever crashes out, we won't be able to survive the onslaught from Vettel's fanboys?

Don't sweat it...
They aren't even remotely close to being like Lujin's little fan club. 🙂
Sure, we have one guy like that, but you just hit ignore and call it a day...

Anyway, pretty solid race analysis here...
https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2018/...lose-in-monza/
Look at that—even the British press managed to stay calm without the usual hysteria or over-the-top praise...

LDM decided to take a little jab at Ariverbene, though...
https://www.pitpass.com/62837/Montez...cedes-strategy

All in all, we'll see how Ferrari's strategy evolves, assuming Ariverbene hasn't missed the mark entirely by now...☕

Though, thinking about it, I'm starting to suspect Charles Leclerc is already locked in for 2019, and maybe Ariverbene wanted to gift Kimi one last pole and a win at Monza as a thank you...
Sebastian Vettel clearly wasn't feeling the vibe, though, which explains why he was absolutely losing his mind...
crimsonhawk23 crimsonhawk23 Member
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#319 ·
stormybadger8 said:Really?
Even that is debatable—who knows where things would have landed if Vettel hadn't spun out...

It's impossible to say how the race would have unfolded—whether Vettel's tires would have even lasted—and they probably wouldn't have, given they were 32 laps old with 16 left...
Would Ferrari have pulled off a clean pit stop for him, or not... would they have picked the right tires...
And would he have even managed to hold onto first place after pitting...

A mountain of unknowns that nobody can actually answer...
Then you look at Azerbaijan, which is an even bigger question mark...
Since Bottas hit debris on the track there and ended up with a DNF...
Who’s to say if Hamilton had been leading or if Vettel had been leading—would they have hit that same debris and turned a potential win into a DNF during those final few laps🙂

If Vettel had messed up more often, sure, we could talk, but calculating the exact points lost is... well, it isn't really possible...
Because you simply can't predict the outcome or the flow of the race; most of this is just typical armchair speculation, I suppose...

With this post, whether you mean to or not, you've essentially confirmed that Hamilton is the better driver than Vettel 🙂 Which is fine—we all know he is👍
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#320 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:Whether you meant to or not, you just went ahead and confirmed that Hamilton is a better driver than Vettel. 🙂 Alright, fine. We all know he's better. 👍

Honestly, I have no clue if you actually know what you're talking about or not...

I'm pretty sure you'll be sitting there at the end of the season crying about how poor Lewis Hamilton had to drive a total junker, all while fighting for the title until the very last second against that absolute disaster of a car.

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