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stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#581 ·
http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-...aco_%2715.html
At 2:02, the Hamilton-Mercedes team radio says it all... everything is perfectly clear. We all know exactly who's calling the shots here. 😁

Vettel: "I think he's heading straight home." 🤣🤣 🤣
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#582 ·
stormybadger8 Asks:
It’s likely a disaster because they didn't follow "his orders." This time, though, it isn't just that—he knows he carries a fair share of the blame himself. 😉

In both scenarios, the final call rested entirely with the crew on the pit wall.

stormybadger8 said:Ted was explaining how the Spanish King actually paid a visit to Ericsson.🤣

Ted is top-notch.
But what about Ali Herbert, Brundle, and Bruno Senna? 🤦
It's a shame Davidson isn't around anymore. He was truly excellent.

Jack Kelly5 Asks:
Alonso's penalty is absolute nonsense. From where I was sitting, it looked like Hulk tried to dive into the corner right over the top of him while he was still level with the car. Just pure stupidity.
Kimi and Ricciardo were in two completely different worlds today. Kimi was fighting his tires just to stay upright, chasing that car down the entire track, while Ricciardo was absolutely flying—he practically forced his way past. Honestly, if Kimi had spun off, Ricciardo probably would have ended up facing a penalty.

Both penalties are completely nonsensical.

stormybadger8 Asks:
Sebastian Vettel takes the win in Monaco. It was a masterclass in precision and patience. After starting from pole, he managed the gap perfectly, keeping the pressure off while navigating the tight streets. It wasn't an easy run, though. There were moments where the tension was palpable, especially when managing tires and gaps to those behind him. But Vettel stayed composed. He didn't blink. Lewis looked strong, but couldn't quite find the way past. How much does track position matter in a place like this? Everything. You can have the fastest car on the grid, but if you can't find a way through those narrow corridors, you're just watching someone else celebrate. A solid performance all around. A reminder that sometimes, winning isn't about being the fastest lap setter—it's about being the smartest driver on the asphalt.
From 2:02 on the team radio, Hamilton-Mercedes... everything is crystal clear. You know exactly who’s calling the shots. 😁

Vettel: “I honestly think he’s heading straight home.” 🤣🤣🤣

Has Raikkonen even finished a single race this season without us hearing him grumbling over the radio?
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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#583 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Ted is just top-tier.
But then you've got guys like Herbert, Brundle, and Bruno Senna. 🤦
It’s a real shame Davidson isn't around anymore; he was actually legit.

Honestly, the drivers who didn't quite make the big leagues usually end up being the better commentators.

Pretty interesting, ☕

Though if you ask me, Herbert just comes across like some total clown rather than an actual serious commentator or whatever else he's supposed to be.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#584 ·
Roger Wright94 said:Kimi was a disappointment, though I would have penalized Ricciardo for that overtake.
Regardless of the outcome, he made contact, he hit him, and he disrupted his line in any case.

If we are going to hand out penalties—regardless of how many of us might disagree with the practice of punishing drivers—then Ricciardo certainly earned one this time. Can you even imagine what the outcry would have been if Maldonado had pulled that same stunt?

The core issue for Kimi remains qualifying. When you are racing in Monaco, you are essentially doomed if you find yourself stuck behind a slower car. On other tracks (with the exception of Canada), that shouldn't be such a catastrophic problem.

Furthermore, that little clip from the official page that you shared seems to confirm that Lewis is largely responsible for losing that first place spot himself. If things were slightly different, mistakes of that nature could very well cost him the championship.
Jack Kelly5 Jack Kelly5 Active Member
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#585 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Look, if we’re already handing out penalties (regardless of how much some of us might hate seeing drivers get punished), then Ricciardo definitely earned his. I mean, just imagine the absolute meltdown if Maldonado had pulled that exact same stunt...

I guess Kim's real issue is still qualifying. In Monaco, you're basically doomed if you have to follow someone slower. On most other tracks—aside from maybe Canada—that shouldn't be such a massive headache.

Anyway, that little clip from the official site that you shared really seems to point the finger back at Lewis, suggesting he's mostly to blame for losing that top spot. Honestly, screw-ups like that could easily cost him the whole championship.

I'm leaning towards thinking Kim's main struggle is actually getting those tires up to temperature. His race pace is pretty much right up there with Vettel's, but he just doesn't seem to have that immediate snap in the opening laps. Qualifying sessions, and especially Monaco, have really highlighted that gap.
Michael Diaz4 Michael Diaz4 Active Member
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#586 ·
Jack Kelly5 said:I think Kim's issue is tire warm-up. His race pace is right up there with Vettel's, but he just can't find that speed in the opening laps. Qualifying sessions and even Monaco really highlighted that.

He’s slow to get going and struggles to stay consistent... That’s his Achilles' heel...
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#587 ·
So, the transcript of the Mercedes pit wall messages to Hamilton just dropped. Interesting stuff. 😁

"Look, just a heads-up: you're under the Virtual Safety Car right now. Seriously, check your dashboard and keep an eye on the boards." Look on the bright side. Just stay positive. And you're staying out.”

PB: “So... We're staying out. And you're just... Trying to stay positive.”

PB: “Alright, Lewis, we’ve got a Safety Car out.”

Hamilton: “Is staying out really the move here? Not so sure about that.”

"Nope, we’re staying out until the end of the lap. Boxing the end of the lap. So..." Look, just try to stay positive. Seriously. Just keep your head up. "We're planning to go an extra lap and a half on the option tires, unless you guys tell us otherwise."

PB: “Alright Lewis, just... Give us the pit confirmation.”

PB: “Alright, we're staying out. Staying out. Staying out.Just. Get that confirmation over the radio.”

Hamilton: “Guys, we're in trouble. These tires are completely cold. Everyone’s switching to options now.

PB: “Copy that. Box, box. We're pitting.”

PB: “Alright, scrap the brake magic. Just kill the brake magic entirely.”

PB: "Heads up, watch that pit entry."

PB: "RS modes. RS modes."

PB: "Alright, kill the RS. Just watch the line coming off pit exit."

Hamilton: “What just happened, guys? Seriously, what happened?”

"Alright, Lewis, looks like we got stuck behind. We're finally getting a chance to check things out and review the footage. Let's get that brake warming turned on—we need to bring those temperatures back up."

"Alright, Lewis. We've lost the marshalling system, so we might have to find a way to manually override the DRS."

Hamilton Quote: “I’ve lost this race, haven’t I?”

PB: “Not unless they lose all their tire temperature. They’re running the prime compound right now, and honestly, you’ve got some really solid setup options on this car at the moment.”

Hamilton: “How many laps left?”

PB: “Just 13 laps left to go.”

So Hamilton gets told twice to stay out, and both times he's basically arguing with the call...
No surprise he didn't take it out on the crew. Honestly, there’s no point in blaming them when he’s clearly the one who forced the pit stop in the first place.

It’s actually pretty funny how many times they had to tell him to "stay positive" right before he hit the pits. 😁
Looks like he panicked, which triggered a chain reaction of panic from them too, and they ended up making that call because of it.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#588 ·
PB: “So we're staying out, and you're just supposed to stay positive.”

PB: “Okay, Lewis Hamilton, a Safety Car has been deployed.”

LH: “Are you certain staying out is the right call?”

PB: “No, WE will be boxing the end of the lap. Boxing the end of the lap. Just stay positive. Stay positive. We'll aim for +1 ½ turns for the option tire, unless you suggest otherwise.”

PB: “Okay Lewis Hamilton, just give us pit confirmation.”

PB: “Alright, we are staying out now. Staying out. Staying out. Confirm it on the radio.”


We're staying out.
WE will be boxing the end of the lap.
We're staying out now. Staying out. Staying out.

One message after another.

😵
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#589 ·
stormybadger8 said:It is quite fascinating that the radio transcripts from the Mercedes-Benz pit wall to Lewis Hamilton have finally been released 😁

So, essentially, Lewis Hamilton was told twice to keep staying out, and both times he pushed back against that instruction...
It really isn't surprising that he didn't lose his temper with the crew, because, when you think about it, there is no question that he himself was the primary reason they decided to enter the ring...

And isn't it also peculiar how many times they had to tell him to "Stay positive" just before he actually entered the ring? 😁
One gets the impression that he was starting to panic, which likely caused the team to panic as well, leading them to make their decision under that sort of pressure...

As much as Lewis Hamilton bears responsibility for the decision to enter the ring, the pit wall shares just as much blame; they ought to have acted with a bit more decisiveness, and I suppose this serves as a lesson for them moving forward.

In any case, the official video has been posted on the website:
http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-..._Mercedes.html
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#590 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:We're staying out.
WE will be boxing the end of the lap.
We’re staying out. We are staying out. Staying out.

One message after another.

Not even one after the other. 🙂

It’s between Lewis Hamilton’s first and second:
"Is staying out really the right call here?"
And between second and third place, we've got:
"Okay Lewis, we need that pit confirmation now." It’s obvious they’re looking for him to confirm what’s actually going down... which means he had to be the one to call it when he spotted Scuderia Ferrari out there on the track. 😳

He doesn't even have his confirmation to enter the ring, and yet here we go again:
"We’re staying out. We are staying out. Staying out."
They’ve probably already filmed it, realizing the whole thing was way too close for comfort.

So that after all this, Lewis Hamilton would chime in again:
"Hey guys, That’s definitely not looking good. These tires are completely cold. Total ice. Everyone’s switching to options now.”
It’s obvious the panic in Germany was real. They clearly felt the pressure and decided he had to enter the ring just to keep Lewis Hamilton from losing his mind and making life difficult for them.

The only weird thing about the Mercedes-Benz pit wall is that they completely missed the mark on the bolded call. Huge mistake on their part. Nico Rosberg, Sebastian Vettel, Daniil Kvyat, and Kimi Räikkönen are all staying out behind you.
cosmicridge5 cosmicridge5 Regular
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#591 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:We are staying out.
WE will be boxing the end of the lap.
We are staying out now. Staying out. Staying out.

Just one message after another.

😵

They seemed way too focused on making sure Lewis Stay positive 🤣

- Keep positive, and you're staying out.

So they stay out. And you just stay positive
(😁)

Lewis Hamilton: Are you sure staying out is the right call??

- Nope, WE will be boxing the end of the lap, so just stay positive (😁) We're going to go an extra turn and a half for the option tire, unless you tell us otherwise (😁)

- Okay Lewis, just give us pit confirm.

- OK, so we are staying out now. (🤣) Staying out, staying out. Just confirm on the radio.


Lewis Hamilton: Guys, this isn't good. These tires have completely lost temperature. Everyone else is going to be on options by now.

- Okay. Copy, copy. Box, box. Box, box. 😁

Lewis Hamilton: What happened, guys? Guys, what happened?!

I've lost this race, haven't I? Haven't I?

One of the better examples of team radio 🍿 😬
Kyle Edwards5 Kyle Edwards5 Active Member
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#592 ·
It looks like either Lewis Hamilton didn't stay positive enough in his head, or maybe nobody told him he needed to stay positive often enough. Hmm 🤔
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#593 ·
stormybadger8 said:Not even one after the other. 🙂

Yeah.

In the meantime, all we heard was Lewis Hamilton asking, "Are you sure staying out is the best move?"

And then there’s Lewis Hamilton asking, "Are we sure staying out is the best call?" Suddenly, they're pivoting the strategy entirely: "Enter the ring at the end of the lap; we'll adjust the front wing then."

After reviewing this transcript, one thing is crystal clear—the folks on the Mercedes-Benz pit wall have absolutely no idea what they're doing.

stormybadger8 said:The only thing that seems off about the Mercedes-Benz pit wall—and honestly, their biggest blunder here—is how they failed to respond on the bolded call. Why leave that hanging? Nico Rosberg, Sebastian Vettel, Daniil Kvyat and Kimi Räikkönen are all staying out behind you.

Like I said.
cosmicridge5 cosmicridge5 Regular
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#594 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:the folks on the Mercedes-Benz pit wall are complete idiots.

Stay positive, Jason! 😁
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#595 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:After reading this transcript, there's zero doubt—the people on the Mercedes-Benz pit wall are complete idiots.

Stay positive! 😁
jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active Member
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#596 ·
Don't forget to keep an eye on those tire temperatures—and hey, let's try to keep the vibes high and stay positive! 😁
cosmicridge5 cosmicridge5 Regular
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#597 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:In both scenarios, the final call rested entirely with the crew on the pitwall.

I guess it would've been better if Louie had the final say here instead of Pitwall. 😁

Quote: Pitwall Alright, we’re staying out. We’re staying out—just need to get that confirmed over the radio.

Lewis: Well, this isn't great. Those tires have completely lost their heat. I guess everyone is going to be forced onto the option compounds now.

Quote: Pitwall Understood. I'm ready to go. Box, box. Box, box.

Understood. I'm ready to go.

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neonfox65 neonfox65 Regular
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#598 ·
I wasn't kidding when I said Hamilton looked absolutely clueless out there. Such a massive talent, too... what a waste.
crimsonstag84 crimsonstag84 Regular
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#599 ·
Well, this isn't looking great. The tires have completely lost their heat. It looks like everyone’s going to be switching over to the option tires now.

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cosmicridge5 cosmicridge5 Regular
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#600 ·
crimsonstag84 said:Guys, this isn't looking great. These tires have completely lost their heat. It looks like everyone is going to be forced onto alternative compounds now.

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Yeah, honestly, the team radio sounds pretty dumb & even stupider overall. 😁

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