Monaco GP 2015

Alexander Gonzalez79 said:What kind of comparisons are even these?!!!!!😵😵 Let me just go grab another drink first. 😵 😵

Does an Olympic sprinter have a pit wall and 20 specialists dedicated solely to their sprint? That exact same pit wall is responsible for analyzing data and deciding whether to call a driver in for a stop or not. They’re the ones making the calls—calls that clearly turned out to be wrong this time.

If only the pit wall hadn't botched the decision in the first place...
But hey, we've got our "brave" Lewis, who—on top of everything else going wrong—missed his box entry. Because of that, he bled about 1.5 seconds during the stop. Honestly, that would have been plenty of time to pull ahead of not just Vettel, but Rosberg too. ☕

Lewis Hamilton, who doesn't just look at the competition on track, but actually feels the soul of his car: Maybe we should pit. My tires might be fading, and I could get caught out by Vettel on those supersofts after the restart.

The pit wall crew (sitting there with about 12 monitors displaying every microscopic detail, full track overview, and gaps between drivers down to the millisecond): Pit for fresh rubber. You'll come right back out in P1.

Then this happens: Lewis Hamilton pits, and emerges in third.

Who's to blame?
a) the pit wall crew
b) the pit wall crew
c) the pit wall crew
d) all of the above

Everything else is just nonsense and "young hater" whining.

Look, trolling is a valid way to debate.
But honestly, it feels like some people here are taking things far too seriously.

Jason Campbell70 said:Here’s how it plays out: Lewis Hamilton ducks into the pits, only to emerge in third place.

The culprit is:
a) the crew on the pit wall
b) the crew on the pit wall
c) the crew on the pit wall
d) all of the above
e) a nervous little young hater Lewis Hamilton

So, my final verdict is 😁

Frank Collins85 said:

🤣🤣🤣🤣

h-k explained ☕

Jason Campbell70 said:Does Lewis Hamilton even bother looking at the cars around him on the track? It seems to me that he isn't really focused on his immediate competition; instead, he possesses this uncanny ability to simply sense the exact condition and behavior of his own car. Perhaps it would be wise to consider pitting now. I am concerned about my tire degradation; if we don't act, I could find myself in a difficult position if Vettel manages to jump me on those supersofts right after the restart.

Imagine the crew stationed on the pit wall, staring intently at a wall of roughly twelve monitors. Each screen provides an exhaustive breakdown of every minute detail from the race—from a comprehensive overview of the entire field and track conditions to the precise gaps between drivers, measured down to the very last millisecond. If you pull into the pits for a set of fresh tires, don't you think you'll find yourself back in the lead?


Imagine the scenario: Lewis Hamilton pulls into the pits, only to emerge in third place.

Who is to blame?

What can we say about the crew stationed on the pit wall?

What about the crew stationed on the pit wall?

What can we say about the crew stationed on the pit wall?

All of the above.

Everything else is just pure nonsense and nothing more than the typical whining of some young hater.

Is trolling really such a terrible thing? Honestly, I believe it can be a perfectly legitimate way to engage in a discussion.

And yet, I can't help but get the impression that some of the individuals in this group take themselves far too seriously.

I was under the impression that his crew on the pit wall—utilizing all twelve of those monitors—had initially advised him to stay out on track, yet Lujo just pushed through regardless. 🙂

Brian Campbell36 said:🤦🤣

When is Ferrari showing up in Canada... With a more powerful engine... He’s going to eat both Mercedes drivers alive on this track... 🍿

🤔

Jason Campbell70 said:Lewis Hamilton doesn't even bother looking at the competition on track... he just senses the state of his car... It might be wise to pit. I could run into some issues with my tires... Vettel might catch me off guard on those supersofts right after the restart.

The crew on the pit wall—sitting there staring at a dozen monitors packed with every microscopic detail, live track updates, and driver gaps measured down to the thousandth of a second... Pit stop for tires, and you'll be back in the lead...

Here's how it plays out: Lewis Hamilton hits the pits, and rolls out in third...

It’s all on him...
The crew on the pit wall...
b) the crew on the pit wall...
The crew on the pit wall...
All of the above...

Everything else is just pure nonsense and the whining of some young hater...

Look, trolling is a perfectly legitimate way to debate...
And yet, I can't help but feel that some people here are taking themselves far too seriously...

This wouldn't even fly for a rookie... though I doubt Sainz or Verstappen would have even bothered pitting in the first place. Let alone for someone with actual experience... Ninth. Driving an F1 car through Monte Carlo is one thing, but knowing that a single botched pit stop can completely derail your entire race is another level entirely...

Jason Campbell70 said:Lewis Hamilton doesn't even bother looking at the guys next to him on the track; he just senses exactly how his car is behaving. Maybe it’s smart to pit. I could be in trouble with my tires, and if I don't, Vettel might just jump me on those supersofts right after the restart.

The crew on the pit wall—sitting there staring at a dozen monitors packed with every tiny detail, full track views, and driver gaps measured down to the thousandth of a second: Pit stop for tires, and you're back in the lead.

Here’s how it goes down: Lewis Hamilton hits the pits and rolls out in third.

It’s all on them.
The crew on the pit wall.
b) the crew on the pit wall
The crew on the pit wall.
All of the above.

As if Hamilton has anything to do with anything while the race is actually going on...
So, there you have it:
Doesn't matter what his crew tells him about staying out; he's still over the radio telling them he needs to pit.
He seriously can't see that he picked up an SC on track right before hitting the pits? He’s driving like he's got lead in his shoes.
- He can't even see the lines in the pit box, so who cares if he ends up half a meter off his mark?Look, honestly, none of that even matters because of how things played out. Pit stop was way too slow.
It doesn't matter if he’s got a significantly faster car or even those fresh tires compared to them. He still can't find a way to get past Vettel or Rosberg on the track. Even with a beast of a car that's clearly quicker than Vettel's, he's just stuck.

Oh, sure. And of course Hamilton has absolutely zero connection to any of this and bears zero responsibility. It’s all just entirely, exclusively on the crew... because clearly, it's not his fault at all that he ended up in third.
So, I’m just wondering—does this logic work in reverse? If Hamilton actually pulls off a win, is that also somehow entirely the team's doing while he just sits there with zero credit? 🙂

Man, Hamilton was absolutely killing it for about three-quarters of that race, but that final stretch? Not so much. Still, he handled the whole mess like a total pro. Mad respect to him for that.
Honestly, sitting here crying about how hard his life is? Total nonsense. Even he knows how ridiculous that sounds, which is exactly why he made that comment about winning and losing as a team.
No fanboys seem to get that this is a team sport. They just keep singing the same old songs about how the crew screwed Hamilton over and how he’s some flawless, untouchable phenomenon.

He definitely messed up his driving. He didn't outclass his teammate, and honestly, he’s a bit overrated. How do you lose that much time? It was a clear mistake. Plus, whatever advantage he gained from the traffic situation, he just lost it right back to the traffic again. What were his lap times during those final fast laps before the SC came out? What were the times for Nico Rosberg, Sebastian Vettel, and Daniel Ricciardo? That's where the answer lies regarding exactly when he blew the race.

Michael Diaz4 said:... He didn't outclass his teammate at all, he's an overrated driver...

🤦
Honestly, I have no idea what you guys were watching.

He absolutely crushed him. It was done in such a depressing way that it actually drains your will to live.
Sure, you get to lift the trophy and grab 25 points, ..., but I don't see much to celebrate here. If anything, I'd be worried after a performance like that.
That's what hit me while watching the race on Sunday (if I hadn't already realized it, or if some part of me wasn't still fighting the truth). This is just a hopeless situation (Rosberg-Hamilton).

This time, I had the live timing open on my tablet while watching the race. You can see the lap times and the notifications.

Two things stood out to me:
a) Rosberg was consistently losing a tenth, two tenths, three tenths per lap. Every single lap. Using the same tires, no less—doing that in Monaco is incredible. For the winner, obviously.

b) At the same time, Rosberg couldn't pull away from Vettel. The gap stayed stuck at one or two seconds.
Unless Rosberg was playing some kind of math game (which I highly doubt), I think Vettel might have actually stayed closer to Hamilton than Rosberg did.
I won't go overboard, but the fact remains: Rosberg couldn't close the gap to Lewis by even a millimeter, yet he couldn't break away from Vettel by a millimeter either.

Vettel drove this one at Hamilton's level. Nothing less.

Kimi let me down, but I’d definitely slap a penalty on Ricciardo for that overtake.
Regardless, he made contact, bumped him, and disrupted his line. It was messy.

Roger Wright94 said:Kimi was a bit of a letdown today, though I honestly think Ricciardo deserved a penalty for that overtake.
Even if there was contact—and he definitely hit him and disrupted his line—it still felt off.

Look, if Fernando Alonso gets slapped with a penalty, then Ricciardo should have faced one too. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Kimi calls it quits next year to just focus on family life... after all, he gave his absolute best years to WRC.

jadeseal7 said:If Fernando Alonso gets hit with a penalty, then Ricciardo should have too. Honestly, Kimi might as well retire next year and focus on his family... his best years were clearly spent in WRC.

Watching the replay again, I’d actually argue Ricciardo probably deserved the penalty even more than Alonso did.
Sure, the fallout is different. The damage Alonso caused to Hulkenberg was huge—which is likely why he got flagged—whereas Ricciardo’s move on Kimi didn't leave any physical wreckage. But let's be real: Alonso stayed right alongside Hulkenberg for a long stretch, forcing Hulk to yield, so you can't claim he was blindsided or forced off. Ricciardo’s situation was a totally different beast, aggressively shoving someone right where there's zero room to maneuver...

Bottom line? Given how it all went down, the penalty should have been identical, if not handed out to Ricciardo even sooner than Alonso.

wiredscout14 said:A rookie wouldn't pull that off—though honestly, would even someone like Carlos Sainz or Max Verstappen enter the pits there? Not an experienced driver who's racing a Formula 1 car through Monaco for the ninth time, knowing perfectly well how one bad pit stop can ruin the entire race.

Sure, a driver could lap Monaco 99 times... but every single time, it’s the crew on the pit wall who ultimately makes the call on whether to box or stay out.

stormybadger8 said:Right, because Lewis Hamilton has absolutely nothing to do with anything during the race...
So here's the reality:
- It doesn't matter if his team tells him to stay out while he's busy telling them he actually needs to pit.
- He fails to notice the SC on track before entering the pits and starts driving incredibly slowly.
- He misses the pit box markings, so it doesn't matter if he stops about half a meter past the designated spot., and apparently, it also doesn't matter that this results in a painfully slow pit stop.

Oh, sure. He lost two positions just because he missed his mark by less than half a meter.

stormybadger8 said:- It doesn't matter that he can't overtake Sebastian Vettel or Nico Rosberg on track despite having a significantly faster car and fresh tires compared to them, or even that he has a much faster car than Vettel...

Michael Diaz4 said:He definitely messed up his drive. He didn't outperform his teammate, and he's an overrated driver.

LOL

Roger Wright94 said:Sure, lifting the trophy and grabbing those 25 points feels good... but I honestly don't see much to celebrate here. If anything, that performance should have me more worried than happy.
That’s what hit me while watching the race on Sunday (if I haven't already accepted it, or if some part of me is still fighting the realization). It looks pretty hopeless (Rosberg-Hamilton).

Leading up to this weekend, Monaco was the only race where Nico Rosberg was actually the favorite. For some strange reason—much like the Vettel-Webber dynamic a season ago—Monaco seems to favor the underdog.
Monaco suited Nico Rosberg better.

But only until this weekend.

And just as a side note, this marks the first time in Nico Rosberg's Formula 1 career that he has managed to win two races in a row.

Jason Campbell70 said:Oh sure, he only lost two spots because he missed his pit box by less than half a meter.

One for sure... maybe even both, since that mistake basically set off a massive chain reaction.
That’s exactly why the pit stop was so slow, and then he had to sit there waiting to be released just to avoid an unsafe release penalty...
We're talking precious seconds here, especially when he exited the pits barely half a meter behind Sebastian Vettel and maybe 7-8 meters behind Nico Rosberg...

stormybadger8 said:One thing is certain... though maybe both were, since that was clearly the trigger for a massive chain reaction.
That's exactly why the pit stop felt so sluggish. Then he had to sit there waiting for the light just to avoid an unsafe release penalty...
Every single one of those seconds is precious. Especially when you consider he left the pits barely half a meter behind Sebastian Vettel and maybe 7 or 8 meters behind Nico Rosberg...

Good grief.

Lewis Hamilton shouldn't have even been in the pit lane at that moment.
Period.

Jason Campbell70 said:Man.

Lewis Hamilton wasn't even allowed to be in the pit lane back then.
Period.

That’s the second pair of shoes 😁
Seriously, what can you say when he panics? Under the new rules, I don't think he was even supposed to ask what everyone else was doing out on the track 🤔
and those big shots in Germany didn't have the guts to tell him to stay out instead of pitting...

It's a good thing Ross Brawn isn't running that team anymore. With a car like that, from the start of the 2014 season until now, Lewis Hamilton would've been the only one winning...
Maybe Nico Rosberg would snag a win once or twice, but let's be real—there's no way anyone else stands a chance.

stormybadger8 said:That’s the second pair of shoes they've burned 😁
What can you even say when he panics? Under the current rules, I don't think they're even allowed to ask what others are doing on track anymore 🤔
And those big shots over in Germany didn't have the guts to tell him to stay out instead of pitting...

I could say just about anything to him over the radio, except give him driving advice.

As for them lacking the nerve... it's entirely plausible.
At Mercedes-Benz, Hamilton is the boss. He can say whatever he wants without consequence. He publicly criticizes decisions and messages received from the pit wall during a race...

And regarding their failure to push back against Hamilton's desire to pit... just remember Monaco last season.
Back then, at Hamilton's request to pit, they responded with "don't come in, stay out." Hamilton stayed out—which turned out to be a mistake.

It’s quite possible the team was terrified of messing up their star driver's race the same way again.

Interesting thing is—back then, Hamilton used to vent much more (publicly 😁) than he does now.

stormybadger8 said:It's a good thing Ross Brawn isn't running that team anymore. With a car like that, Hamilton would have been the only one winning from the start of 2014 until now...
Maybe Rosberg might have snatched a win or two, but no one else stood a chance.

Roughly.

We probably would have seen a repeat of Austria '02 at least twice this season already. 😁

It’s probably because they ignored "his order." This time, he knows he's partially to blame too. 😉

Jason Campbell70 said:I can tell him whatever I want over the radio, just don't expect me to give him driving advice.

You sure about that?
I thought there was some explanation about them not being allowed to comment on other teams' timing or issues, but since I heard that on ESPN, I'm not buying it. 😬

Lately, this crew has been constantly—and I mean chronically—messing up. 🤦
Ted tried telling us the Spanish King came to visit Ericsson 🤣 and then he swapped that big shot Gaschot for Boutsen...
Meanwhile, the commentators were scratching their heads wondering how Vettel could pit and come out ahead of a driver who's 15-17 seconds behind him. 😁

Honestly, maybe there was just some massive party in Monaco and they got distracted by a hangout with the Mercedes engineers. 😬
That would explain pretty much everything. 🤣

What kind of theories 🙏 CIA 😬
...

Roger Wright94 said:Kimi was kind of a letdown, though I guess I’d probably give Ricciardo a penalty for that overtake.
I mean, he did touch him, bumped him, and disrupted him regardless, so there's that.

stormybadger8 said:Looking back at the replay, I might even go as far as saying maybe Ricciardo should have taken the penalty before Alonso did...
I suppose the fallout is different, and yeah, the damage in Alonso’s case with Hulkenberg was pretty significant—which is probably why they went after him—whereas what Ricciardo did to Kimi was minimal since nobody actually broke anything, but still, Alonso was alongside Hulkenberg for quite a while and eventually Hulk just had to give way, so you can't really claim he was caught off guard or forced out, whereas Ricciardo’s move was a whole different ballgame with that aggressive shove right where there just isn't any room...

So, all things considered, given how everything played out, the penalty should have at least been the same, or maybe even handed out to Ricciardo sooner than Alonso...

Penalizing Alonso feels like total nonsense to me. From what I saw, it looked like Hulkenberg was trying to dive into the corner right over Alonso while he was level with the car. Just seems silly.
Kimi and Ricciardo are in completely different leagues here. Kimi was struggling with his tires and basically chasing the car down the whole track after the Safety Car, while Ricciardo was flying and just muscled his way past. If Kimi had gone off the track, Ricciardo would've almost certainly caught it.