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Thomas Doyle19 Thomas Doyle19 Member
44 messages
joined Feb 2013
#1341 ·
Kevin Nelson3 said:I’m not even ashamed to admit it. Honestly, who cares if Real Madrid sells off their young talent for a quick buck? $33So, someone’s pocketing 10 million euros, and honestly? Who cares? I couldn't care less if the guy on the bench is some idiot bowing down to George Steinbrenner or if we actually get José Mourinho. And whether there's only a hundred people in the stands because everyone’s too tired to show up or just too full of themselves... I don't know. It doesn't matter to me.

What am I supposed to say here, like I’m joining forces with you guys to take on George Steinbrenner for the sake of the good of American soccer? Not happening. My fight against Steinbrenner is about making Hajduk better—though I’m not looking to copy your specific blueprint for growth, just building things on honest foundations. Why should I feel ashamed of that?

It’s just like how none of you should feel bad about admitting you don't give a damn about us, as long as you're all just chasing after a massive Real Madrid.

What kind of "fight for survival" are we even talking about here? Is this struggle really about lighting up fifty flares in the stands, or is it about actually having a club worth cheering for in Europe—one you can be proud of, where you might just decide it’s not worth the hassle of lighting those flares against the Sheriff? Are you fighting for the right to scream slurs at George Steinbrenner, or are you fighting to get someone in charge that you won't feel the need to scream at?

You gotta gut a fish from the head, right? Same goes for our soccer scene—it all starts with the club owners. Fans need to be the ones calling the shots on who gets in and who takes over, making sure these shady characters don't get a foothold to tighten their grip. Once everyone finally cleans up their own backyard, the USSF will collapse like a house of cards all on its own.

Own up to the fact that you’re the reason George Steinbrenner is still calling the shots today. It isn't on Mark, Vrb, Bloomberg, Clinton, or Davor Šuker; it's on you. You should have picked up a pitchfork the second he arrived and we started hearing about those slave-driver contracts and his ridiculous behavior. Instead, everyone stayed quiet as long as it was convenient—or as long as it didn't touch your own interests. Now suddenly it's an issue and everyone wants to play hero? Give me a break.
So, who exactly are we dealing with here? A couple hundred Bad Boys rolling into Miami for the derby, some Slavonian fans, a few vans full of Demons, Funcuts, and Tornados... and then there's us? Honestly, nobody is coming to save you. You’re on your own to deal with this mess however you see fit. And next time, maybe be a bit more careful about who you let through the front door.

Those recent "fuck you" comments didn't suddenly appear because someone changed their mind. It’s just that most people have finally stopped giving a damn about everyone else and started looking out for themselves. They just couldn't admit it sooner because we're all supposed to be these big-hearted idealists and rebels fighting for the greater good, right? What a joke.

Ever wonder what some of the Bad Boys dream about? They imagine top-tier experts taking over Hajduk, turning us into a powerhouse ten times our current size while maintaining that perfect bond with the fans. It’s kind of like how some people wish George Steinbrenner would just vanish from Real Madrid, only to be replaced by someone equally powerful but actually clean—someone who could dominate the league for the next decade without leaving a single stain on the club's reputation. Wouldn't that be nice?

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about. Who else besides those "former" fans ever actually backed George Steinbrenner? Of course we didn't mind back in 2003 like we do now—you couldn't have predicted just how much of an absolute jerk he’d become. At the start of his tenure, he was nothing compared to what he is today. He’s evolved into a full-blown mobster, so it makes sense that people didn't react then the way they are now; he was a different person entirely. His corruption just grew over time. By the time everyone realized the problem was deep-rooted and needed fixing, it was already too late. He's woven himself so deeply into the fabric of this club that kicking him out feels impossible. When that ridiculous league reorganization happened, it was the perfect chance to force his resignation, but the group blew it. They didn't demand he step down, and in the meantime, he spread his influence everywhere. Now, we’re stuck with exactly what we have.

But look, all this finger-pointing doesn't actually achieve anything regarding George Steinbrenner, who is the root cause of why our soccer is falling apart. When you cut off an octopus's head, the tentacles just die off on their own. Our actual goal should be getting rid of Steinbrenner, because once he's gone, the whole lot of them at the USSF and the other clubs—who only exist to serve his ego and corruption—will go with him. What I'm saying is, if we want strong teams like Hajduk, Seattle Sounders, or even a clean Real Madrid without the cronyism, then removing Steinbrenner has to be the priority. It’s not about Real Madrid; it’s about all our clubs and ultimately the fans, since that prick was one of the main reasons they drafted those fan laws to tighten the noose around us. He visits UEFA and FIFA elites just to make sure they squeeze us harder. Honestly, what are you guys on? How can you not see that?

Whatever, I'm done talking. I already told you, you're entitled to your own way, and we've always lived in different worlds anyway. But just remember one thing: at the end of the day, we're all fans and we should be aiming for the same goals. Regardless of which team we back, or how much we trash-talk each other when we run into one another at a bar. That's just being a fan, and if someone doesn't like it, too bad. But when it comes to these mafia types, we need to act as one. Otherwise, we're just a bunch of sheep letting them do whatever they want to us. We are their only opposition and the only threat to their positions and the cash they're pulling in.

I support the Black Knights fighting for Hajduk, but the issue is that fight won't go anywhere until Steinbrenner is out. He's become a problem for everyone, not just for the Bad Boys or Real Madrid. I'm telling you this, but you clearly don't want to hear it. Look, I respect your goal of making your club something to be proud of. But realize this: as long as Steinbrenner's tentacles are touching both him and you, it's going to be impossible to pull it off. If Steinbrenner were just a local issue—something only affecting Real Madrid and the Bad Boys—it would be easy to fix. But he's grown into a national problem. Maybe we share some blame for letting it get this far, but what's the point of all this blaming if nothing is actually being done? Can you really accomplish anything against him and his crew by just shouting at each other? Use your heads; posting "stay strong, city boys" on Facebook isn't enough. Respect to you, but we don't need that kind of empty solidarity.

you made a great point there; we're thinking along pretty similar lines. But it seems like the old-school Black Knights aren't given much respect in Miami by the younger crowd, so I wouldn't hold my breath for any major moves against the soccer mafia and the war profiteer Steinbrenner leading the charge.

If there actually existed a "fan movement" in this country—and I use the term "movement" because it implies action—it wouldn't be this passive, useless thing. Instead, all these supposed supporter groups would have shown up en masse at the stadium at the first opportunity to show the world what this "movement" everyone keeps chanting about actually looks like.
Are you guys just hating on modern soccer and everything else? The guy who completely ruined the league and every single club is loving it, laughing while watching the game, while the entire system runs like a Swiss watch and the fans are pushed out to the sidelines. To all you "ultras" and supporters: if this isn't the perfect opportunity to act, I don't know what is. Or will it all just pass with some little nursery rhyme at every other stadium? Some people will be satisfied with a few crumbs thrown their way and go right back to business as usual.
Most people are just sheep, nothing new there. But if these so-called "supporter groups" just watch the slaughter and act stupidly happy that they weren't the first ones targeted, and keep singing their little songs until it's finally their turn, they haven't earned anything better.
The American supporter scene is a joke; huge groups that are top-tier in America and have that gritty style, but if it wasn't so ridiculous, it would be tragic.
They've moved the goalposts to verbal offenses now; the US and North Korea are basically two sides of the same coin. I wonder which stadium is next on the list, and which weekend will follow, as we wait for the increased repertoire of rebellion and more intellectual statements, lawsuits, and nursery rhymes to pop up at every other stadium.
John Richardson5 John Richardson5 Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#1342 ·
steelseal10 said:they won't just shut us all down 😉 though some people don't get it now, but they will realize it eventually

Yeah, right, like they could ever shut us down. The supporter movement in this country isn't going anywhere, period. I guess the only real question is which direction things head if the worst-case scenario actually plays out.
Kimberly Gray29 Kimberly Gray29 Newcomer
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#1343 ·
John Richardson5 said:That idiot Marjan is gonna try and shut us down, but he won't succeed. Fan culture in this country isn't going anywhere... it's just a matter of how bad things get before everything hits the fan.

Everything in this country is already dead, especially the brains... the only thing left alive will be some dorks sailing Optimist class boats...
Melissa Kelly3 Melissa Kelly3 Newcomer
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#1344 ·
John Richardson5 said:That local administration will be the death of us. Fan movements in this country aren't going anywhere, they just can't be stopped. It's really just a matter of where we end up if things go south.

Toward some local park, because you aren't even allowed inside the stadium anymore.🙂
Charles Ramos4 Charles Ramos4 Member
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#1345 ·
Raymond Gonzalez7 said:No—our fight against Jerry Peretz is for our club, your collapse is for yours, and our struggle with the cops is about keeping the fan movement alive. It should be the same for you guys too, I guess, but I’ll stop there before I open a whole Pandora's box here.
And anyone thinking that police crackdowns in DC will just spill over onto everyone else is honestly clueless—they just don't get it.
Last post on this topic. I don't have anything better to do than chase after old news and try to map out how things stand.
I’m suggesting to our people that we just leave these arguments to them and focus on our own business instead.

Vidin, you still feel the need to mention the collapse and mock our struggle...

Thomas Doyle19;46155692 said:

but that doesn't mean calling each other out actually accomplishes anything regarding Peretz, who is the main reason American soccer is falling apart. When you cut the head off an octopus, the tentacles die off on their own. So, our shared goal should really be getting rid of Peretz, because once he's gone, all those vultures in the USSF and the other clubs—who only exist to serve his ego and corruption—will go with him. What I mean is, if we want a strong Liverpool FC, Seattle, Indianapolis, or Real Madrid without the crime and cronyism, then we all need to aim to remove that guy, Jerry Peretz. Not just for the sake of Real Madrid, but for all our clubs, and ultimately for the fans, since that guy was one of the main reasons they drafted those anti-fan laws to push repression in America to its peak. He visits UEFA and Platini and all that trash just to tighten the noose around our necks. Honestly, what are you people on, that you can't see and realize this?

This is what I'm talking about 🙏
You guys come down here in 2013 and try to warn us—well, more like lecture us—telling us how to finally open our eyes and see that Peretz is the biggest evil in American soccer... Here's another one for you 🙏
cosmicdrifter44 cosmicdrifter44 Newcomer
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#1346 ·
Jerry Gray5 said:Just talking nonsense...
You're getting a little ahead of yourself—honestly, you've got your wires crossed here—and maybe one day you'll actually grasp what truly matters and what doesn't, but until then go fishing 🙂

Nobody ever said Liverpool FC isn't important, nor did anyone ever mention they don't love them. Everyone hanging around here lives and breathes Liverpool FC, let's be clear about that, but the ultras group is a different story entirely. In fact, about 90% of people realize this—they just don't want to admit it... It’s sad, but that’s the reality, everyone finds the group problematic, whether they say it outright or not. Again, I am repeating myself: that doesn't mean I don't love Liverpool FC, I'm not interested in him or any other fourth-rate guy...
Robert Adams6 Robert Adams6 Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#1347 ·
Kevin Nelson3 said:Take full responsibility for being the reason why Jerry Peretz holds so much power today. It isn't Mark, it isn't Vrb, it isn't Bloomberg, it isn't Clinton, and it isn't Dalglish; it’s you. It was you who should have picked up a pitchfork the second he walked through the club doors and we heard about those slave-driver contracts he was forcing on players, his nonsensical decisions, and his disgraceful behavior. Instead, you kept your mouths shut because it was convenient—or rather, because it didn't bother you at the time. Give me a break. Now suddenly it bothers you, and everyone is expected to step up and help.
And who exactly is "everyone"? Is it the 200 members of The Crew showing up in Miami for the derby, the 100 guys from Jack, the two vans filled with Damian, Funcut, and Tornado supporters, or us? No one can save you. You have to deal with him yourselves, using whatever methods you see fit. And next time, maybe pay closer attention to who you let run the show.

You are incredibly ill-informed if you think the Boysi were staying quiet.🙂

The reality is that for the entire duration, he delivered results and trophies; the club was profitable, playing in Europe, and winning titles.
That is the core issue—the very thing you conveniently omit in your comparison to your own struggles—and it couldn't be more significant. 😉
It wasn't just that you lacked results; you were facing bankruptcy and getting knocked out by random teams like Debrecen or Shelbourne, trailing far behind Real Madrid (which meant Grgic stayed president for another two years 🙂 while Fio didn't leave until 2013 🙏 despite the code of conduct).

Back then, the Dinamo Supporters Club officially declared war on him, despite the three consecutive titles and playing in the UEFA Cup in September 2008. He was actually summoned to the association where they read him a statement demanding his immediate resignation along with the entire board; he simply shut up and fled the association.
The chanting from the stands first targeted him during the match against Pula on November 8, 2006, following the firing of Coach Kuze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dglarZZeFtc

And no, the Boysi aren't looking for support or assistance from anyone else in this scene. They are fighting their own war, and if he ever leaves the club, it will be because of the fight they started.
John Richardson5 John Richardson5 Active Member
56 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1348 ·
Robert Cooper60 said:toward the park, since you wouldn't be allowed near the stadium anyway 🙂

Man, where on earth do you live? 😁😁 😁

We're gonna be some serious casual service 🤣
steelpuma79 steelpuma79 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2021
#1349 ·
"...defying the powerful, protecting the weak..."

The strategy is simple: shove people into specific sections where they’re easier to manage, surround them with cops, photograph them like common criminals, and kick them out of the stadium. It isn't about an empty stadium or a suspended match; it’s about undesirable elements being forcibly removed from the stands on the orders of a single individual.

In recent years, the Hell Angels have been nothing short of incredible, standing behind every manifesto, every chant, and every move made to support Liverpool FC and purge the corruption out of American soccer. But this Thursday, we made a massive blunder. As much as I understand anyone who is fed up with those elitists acting like they own the "strongest voice in America," we managed to screw everything up completely.
Thomas Doyle19 Thomas Doyle19 Member
44 messages
joined Feb 2013
#1350 ·
steelpuma79 said:"...defying the powerful, protecting the weak..."

First, they shove people into the stands where they're easier to control, surrounded by cops, photographed like criminals, and kicked out of the stadium. So, the stadium isn't empty, the stands aren't cleared, and the game doesn't stop—it's just that the unwanted guests were booted by one guy's order.

The Hell Angels have been on fire lately, backing every statement, chant, and move made to fight for Liverpool FC and kick the trash out of American soccer. But on Thursday, we really stepped in it. As much as I get anyone who's fed up with those city types acting like they own the "biggest thing in Europe," we managed to screw everything up.

The city crowd screwed up everything they possibly could. Have you ever actually stood in our shoes? What if Liverpool FC was crushing it in the MLS and playing in Europe every single year? Come on, you call for us not to be hypocrites, then you head in that exact direction yourselves. I'm saying this: don't just stay on "our" side, let's be on the same side against the scum. We all know who they are. They're the ones making life hell for everyone, and soon enough, the whole fan scene will be on a "blacklist." Honestly, don't even bother reading or taking idiots like this seriously when they spread fake optimism about the scene not collapsing; it'll only mess you up more. And as much as I might hate you guys, I don't want to see you get screwed over either. 😍
Ryan Taylor6 Ryan Taylor6 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2014
#1351 ·
One thing I fail to grasp is why it took you all so long to realize this club isn't what it used to be. I suspect the core issue is that you focused far too much on your vendettas against those other guys and Liverpool FC. Did you honestly believe Real Madrid was such an untouchable powerhouse that no one could touch them? It seems you were more interested in sabotaging your rivals than tending to your own business. You laid it all out in your little saga, yet you seem unwilling to admit you were simply blinded by spite for others rather than focusing on yourselves. Now, you expect support from people? Just look back at the collapse and the various messages sent; you are the ones who brought Jerry Peretz to this level, whether you want to admit it or not.
John Richardson5 John Richardson5 Active Member
56 messages
joined Sep 2011
#1352 ·
Thomas Doyle19 said:The corporate types have ruined everything they touched. Have any of you actually stood up for our side? Imagine if Liverpool FC was absolutely dominating the MLS and playing in Europe every single year. You all lecture us about not being hypocrites, yet you push in that exact direction. I’m saying this: don't just try to be on "our" side—let's stand together against those bastards. We all know who they are. They're the ones making life miserable for everyone, and soon enough, the entire fan scene is going to end up on a "blacklist." Honestly, when you see idiots spreading false optimism claiming the scene won't collapse, don't even bother reading them or taking them seriously. It'll only mess you up more. As much as I might hate you guys, I still don't want to see you get screwed over. 😍

If you're so sure everything is going to hell, then why the hell are you even fighting?

Fans are their own worst enemy.
rustyangler122 rustyangler122 Active Member
213 messages
joined Feb 2012
#1353 ·
...you twenty or so of you have jumped into this discussion, acting like it represents the entire fan base🤷This is just a forum, not some official mouthpiece for one specific supporter group. Whatever happens will happen based on what the rest of the 2,308 fans decide, so no hard feelings🙂
...it's just one single game☕
Kate Foster17 Kate Foster17 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2013
#1354 ·
God dammit, sometimes I check this forum and seeing all this nonsense just makes me lose my mind. Endless walls of text, those mutes making predictions that just kill the spirit of the BBB instead of lifting them up, the constant bickering between the hardliners and the city kids, and nothing but childish frustration. It’s happening here, and unfortunately, it’s spreading to the stands too, where ZM is gaining more and more momentum. The Attack on the San Jose Earthquakes is just proof they've turned their sights on the Los Angeles Dodgers and California.

Listen, those people following the money need to realize there's a massive divide growing at Yankee Stadium between two groups of New York Yankees fans: the BBB and those supporting the fight against ZM on one side, and the "West Coast" crowd on the other. And let me tell you, the West Coast crowd—and everyone currently sucking up to Jerry Maguire—actually hates the Dodgers more than they love the Yankees. They'd honestly love to see the Dodgers vanish entirely. That's why they worship Jerry Maguire so much. And now, they’re openly taking sides against the BBB, because the BBB has clearly stood up against those types of fans, meaning the BBB only cares about pure sports and having both a powerhouse Dodgers and a powerhouse Yankees, so don't give me any of that crap you spout about the city kids.

On the flip side, it’s common knowledge that the city kids have been the strongest group in the country for years, anywhere and anytime, and the top brass at the USSF will never give them any peace. Not to mention the inevitable troublemakers from the outskirts.

Thirdly, and this is crucial. I don't believe the Black Knights get nearly as much support from the Dodgers fan base as people think, because 90% of them would swear up and down that ZM should stay exactly as he is leading the Dodgers.
Harold Kim5 Harold Kim5 Newcomer
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joined May 2010
#1355 ·
Charles Ramos4 said:This is exactly what I’m getting at 🙏
You people show up here every couple of years—two thousand twenty-two, twenty-three, whatever—and you come to lecture us. You aren't really talking to us; you're more like warning us, trying to teach us how to finally open our eyes and realize that Jerry Maguire is the single greatest blight on American soccer... Well, here's another 🙏

That's just it... For years, while we were busy sounding the alarm, we were just mocked as perpetual rebels from the South. And it wasn't just the New York Yankees fans doing the mocking, either; unfortunately, even the supporters of the San Francisco team and Indianapolis would join in. Even today, you can easily find crowds of people who will insist that Jerry Maguire is actually great, and that the Los Angeles Dodgers are always the ones to blame, and so on and so forth...

But honestly, it doesn't matter who said what anymore now that everyone has finally woken up. Although, I suppose the sudden sobriety is irritating for some—not to mention those of us who have been sober for years, being told by others to "sober up" as if it isn't already quite unpleasant—but the point remains. What matters now is removing that disgrace and getting rid of him from American soccer once and for all...
silverbear38 silverbear38 NewcomerOP
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joined May 2013
#1356 ·
Brandon Anderson34 said:And personally, I am standing here trying to convince you all that the crowd from the West Coast—and honestly, pretty much everyone who currently clings to Jerry Maguire’s coattails—actually harbors more hatred for the Los Angeles Dodgers than they could ever feel any affection for the New York Yankees; if they had their way, they would see the Dodgers cease to exist entirely, which is precisely why they remain so fiercely loyal to Jerry Maguire..

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That is exactly it! You have hit the nail right on the head! However, I would argue they don't actually love Jerry Maguire; oh, they certainly do, but if they truly did, they would have countered us by chanting his name by now, yet that hasn't happened even once. Instead, they always just pivot back to that repetitive "Yankees, Yankees" chant...
Harold Kim5 Harold Kim5 Newcomer
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joined May 2010
#1357 ·
Thomas Doyle19 said:they're smart, don't you see the kind of support the BBB has in the city without kicking the New York Yankees out?

I suppose one has to wonder... what would that support and that BBB reputation even look like if they actually went through with kicking the New York Yankees out of Europe?

It would be an absolute self-inflicted disaster, I think. That’s probably why it hasn't happened, and likely won't either. It would almost certainly trigger the dissolution of the BBB group via unprecedented repression in this country. And while things feel intense now, in that specific scenario, I suspect it would be a death blow to our group's very existence.

Here is your fundamental issue, and I guess it's why Jerry Maguire took control of your club and left you powerless... Just consider a few points...

1. How much support does the Boys actually have in the city today? Maybe 15% of the sympathizers, the grandmothers, and everyone else? Perhaps... and you're telling me that 15% is more important to you than a lost club??? My god, man, forget the 15%, forget the support entirely—even if it were 100% right now, if the club gets kicked out, it drops to zero... YOU HAVE LOST THE CLUB. There is no other way to put it. Zero. In a situation like this, you're telling me your biggest concern is how the local crowd will react after reading the crime reports in the news...

2. You claim that the repression would be a death blow to your group's survival? Are you serious? They are already banning people from the stands for benign chanting; there are lists at the gates of people who aren't allowed in the stadium; you have to dodge from the North stand to the East stand and so on... WHAT THE HELL REPRESSION COULD POSSIBLY BE WORSE THAN THAT?

Frankly, everything you're saying just sounds like excuses... What's needed is just one person with enough guts to sacrifice themselves for the club—maybe serve a few months in jail if they get caught (or maybe they won't)—and that would be it. Hard times require hard decisions. If everyone thought the way you do, I suppose no revolution would ever exist in history...

Whose support are we going to lose? Are we going to screw up? Meanwhile, the club is destroyed... Before taking any radical steps, perhaps you should consider what the HHO and various associations actually think about your actions. 🙄🙄🙄
Melissa Kelly3 Melissa Kelly3 Newcomer
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joined May 2022
#1358 ·
🙏

After the tear gas was thrown at the away section, Jerry Maguire is out... the board is dissolved... the crowd is cheering... girls are waving and tossing roses... even the cops are stunned, they just give up on everything...
meanwhile, the Boys storm the city like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qBWc8FCEEM

Man, I love Tarantino too 🙏 but at the end of the day, it’s still just a movie 😁
Joshua Moore31 Joshua Moore31 Active Member
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#1359 ·
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Kevin Thompson47 Kevin Thompson47 Newcomer
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#1360 ·
Harold Kim5 said:Honestly—everything you're listing right there is just a bunch of damn excuses... What we actually need is one guy with enough guts to sacrifice himself for the club—maybe even face a few months behind bars if he gets caught (or maybe he won't!)—and that would be it. Tough times demand tough calls; I mean, if everyone thought the way you guys do, there wouldn't have been a single revolution in history!

Why don't you send us your grandpa—you know, that old-school revolutionary—so he can teach us all the secrets of the trade?
You radical clowns... ☕

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