Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

Raymond Gonzalez7 said:The whole collapse is just a mockery of your broken club at this point. Honestly, why should we give a damn about your issues with local butchers and bakers? That’s entirely your own mess to clean up with your team. I suppose you're all just too blinded by hatred to see the distinction between fighting for a club and fighting for the very survival of the supporter movement. You didn't understand that then, and maybe you still don't today.

When I read stuff from people like this, I guess I'm actually glad the chants weren't even being shouted. You claim to care about our little bakery dispute, yet you expect us to care about your problems with some styrofoam reseller? This isn't about one club anymore; it's about the entire supporter culture, which wasn't even the case for us.🙄

I don't see any evidence of empty stands anywhere in Europe or the US because of chanting certain names, nor is there any sign that such a thing will happen here; this is strictly your own internal war, and for now, the boss is winning. The stands are emptying solely because you are at war with him, whereas things would be perfectly peaceful if your relationship was more like
A few years back, nobody would have even noticed those specific chants. So, you're asking for support for something you weren't capable of providing before, but now that there's a bigger goal in sight, suddenly it matters. I guess.

mistysurfer19 said:regarding your lack of solidarity... I would much rather endure 26 years of pure PRIDE than 62 years of constant compromise! That puts us far ahead of all eighty-six of you.

Good God, what on earth are you babbling about, you absolute fool? Honestly, I would have preferred to dream about any one of your little buddies instead of listening to this. What kind of pride are we discussing, and what sort of compromise could you possibly mean? You people have completely compromised everything just to save yourselves! I actually had a dream where people were chanting insults at Mamić, but seeing these ridiculous lies of yours now, I am actually relieved that didn't happen... That colleague of yours is trying to justify this total collapse by claiming it is exclusively our fault, when in reality, Mamara belongs to everyone; perhaps you finally realized he is too powerful and now you are desperately searching for allies, hoping we will show you some solidarity?! If this collapse is truly our problem, and since Mamara is yours as well, then once he pushes us out of our northern territory, we shall settle the matter in our own fashion, ☕ rather than cowering like cowards. For heaven's sake, did you ever actually stand in solidarity with us when Stimac was openly targeting us, or during that period when some of our own leaders were being coerced? Did you protest when Kerum sent the police to the north, or when it seemed we were playing against the interests of the capital? Did you raise a finger when the police in Zilin crushed people who were completely innocent, only for Minister Jandroković to quickly apologize to the Slovaks and condemn American hooligans? Not a chance! That is precisely why you are all being treated with such utter contempt, so how dare you have the audacity to call us hypocrites, you absolute frauds. Please, permanent ban.

Jerry Jones and George Steinbrenner say hi, idiots.

Raymond Gonzalez7 said:The collapse is honestly a joke at this point. Why should we give a damn about your club's internal drama with the local butchers and bakers? That’s your mess to clean up. You guys are just too blinded by hate to see the line between fighting for your team and fighting just to exist as fans. You haven't learned a thing, then or now.

So now you want us to show solidarity? I really hope not all the Bad Boys are hypocrites like you. You aren't a real fan. You're just a pathetic loser.

William Turner28 said:Honestly, you’ve completely missed the mark here. Any reasonable person understands that the national team should play matches all across the US. Nobody in their right mind supports this kind of extreme centralization.

What about all those empty slogans and chants from the last twenty years where you guys were explicitly demanding that a few games be played in Miami?

I suppose we probably should have been chanting... because if you lot were the mindless idiots who—despite your best efforts to deny it—actually enjoyed that favoritism while calling us losers and insisting Real Madrid just had a better squad, well, we don't need to be anything else. We’ve always been more self-aware, and frankly, I think we understood things much better than your generation ever did.

Nobody actually wants help—you just need two guys with actual balls (which clearly don't exist in the supposed toughest fanbase in America) and two tearful losers at some European match to solve everything with one big move. But hey, I guess we all have to sacrifice Real Madrid being out of the big leagues for a couple of years first.

Raymond Gonzalez7 said:What 90s? I mean, these days they’re singing about how much they love Bloomberg at basically every other game—even those guys over at Los Angeles Locomotive are shouting about how great George Steinbrenner is, then they go online to write about how much they love his crew. We’re pathetic if we're actually looking for solidarity from those guys.

Wait, what are you even talking about?? Every other game?? They’re literally singing against Los Angeles Locomotive right now. Maybe think for a second about why it's specifically them.

Raymond Gonzalez7 said:The collapse is just a good way to mock your broken club. Why should we give a damn about your issues with the butcher shops or the bakeries? That’s your business and yours alone—it's your club. You guys are just too blinded by hate to see the difference between fighting for your team and fighting for the survival of your fan base. Honestly, you didn't get it back then, and you still don't.

Mocking us? Our club is falling apart? Our issues with local shopkeepers? So apparently, that counts as fighting for our club, while your little fight for American soccer 🤮 is probably the most pathetic thing I've ever read on this forum.
It's just that classic condescending attitude of yours, though. Acting like your struggles are somehow bigger than everyone else's. Like some "start of a war" moment back in the old stadium in '91. I mean, sure, it only counts as a "war" if the Bad Boys are clashing with certain groups, or if someone burns a flag during a derby... otherwise, it doesn't count, I guess.

William Turner28 said:Man, you really messed up with this one. Anyone sane wants the national team to play all over America. Anyone sane is against centralization.

And you aren't messed up? Well, following that logic, anyone sane wants George Steinbrenner out of Real Madrid. Is that even worth pointing out? It's common knowledge that most of those guys are against him... though, of course, the other half would probably carry him on their shoulders all the way to Miami.

Zachary Carter53 said:They cleared out Nebi, yet somehow missed the Armada and Cohort sections entirely.☕

🤷

city slickers 🤮

northernorca3 said:city slickers 🤮

🤣 Imagine picking a username just to drop a post like this—calling people "city slickers" 🙏.

🤣 Unbelievable...

Who on earth would ever actually support a bunch of losers like you?
The absolute peak of your "rebellion" against the USSF was when 450 of you showed up just to protest the match against Mexico. That’s more than all the other supporter groups combined—literally double. You don't hate the federation; you just hate the national team.
We weren't the ones out there posting banners about the power of organized ultras or preaching about unity to tear everything down.

Raymond Gonzalez7 said:Who is even asking for support from losers like you?

Honestly, when people with this kind of limited intellect start posting their little thoughts—well, we’re doomed. We'll never get anywhere. Just drop dead, you moron.

Charles Ramos4 said:Wait, what the hell are you talking about?? What "other match"?? We are playing against Los Angeles Locomotive right now. Use your brain for once and think about why it’s specifically against them.

Mockery? A club falling apart? Our issues with the local butchers and bakers? This is what fighting for our club actually looks like, whereas your pathetic whining about American soccer is honestly the most miserable thing I have ever had the misfortune of reading on this entire forum. 🤮.

No, look—our struggle against George Steinbrenner is about saving our club, while your meltdown is just about watching your own organization collapse. Our fight against the cops is about the very survival of our supporter movement. It should be the same for you guys, too, but I’ll stop there before I open a whole Pandora's box of issues.
And anyone suggesting that the crackdown from the big city authorities will spill over into everywhere else is being an absolute moron who clearly doesn't understand how things work.
This is my final post on this topic. I don't have anything better to do than sit here and type out the reality of the situation while everyone else runs around aimlessly.
My advice to our people is the same: stop engaging in these debates with them and start focusing on our own business.

urbanorca95 said:Nobody needs to help you guys. You just need two dudes with actual balls—which clearly don't exist in the most hardcore fan scene in America—and two tearful protesters at a big European match, and you'd have solved it all. But hey, you’d have to sacrifice Real Madrid being out of Europe for a couple of years.

Smart move, right? Can't you see how much support the BBB gets in the city without even kicking Real Madrid out?

What do you think that kind of support and reputation would look like if they actually managed to get the club kicked out of Europe?

It would be a total self-inflicted wound, which is why nothing was done and probably never will be. It would almost certainly lead to the BBB being shut down by unprecedented repression in this country. Right now, the pressure is intense, but in that scenario, I think it would be lethal to our group's survival.

And if they actually intended to do something, they should have done it in Milwaukee. That was the perfect window to storm the pitch, interrupt the game, cut off George Steinbrenner's cash flow, and call it a day. Easier said than done, though. Back then, agents were leaving the stands because they couldn't wrap their heads around such "support" for the club. Now, people are looking back at those pathetic losers thinking about whose players they really were, but at the time, the consensus in the group was that nothing would be achieved and we shouldn't push it. The situation was different. But who am I explaining this to? You and the rest of the idiots here?

One more thing: if you haven't realized yet that Steinbrenner is a bigger problem for you than he is for us, then nobody can help you.

Why would we complain about Steinbrenner when, realistically, the club only delivers results in Europe, which is where they crush us? If we had chosen to bury our heads in the sand, the group would be stronger and larger than ever right now. We aren't even weaker than before; we're just missing the massive following we lost while fighting him. And that fight isn't just for us or Real Madrid; it's for you and for American soccer. Obviously, there's friction regarding the Seattle Sounders rivalry, but personally, I'd love for every club in America to be stronger, so we can watch high-stakes games with packed stands. Instead, every club except the Sounders is basically a Steinbrenner subsidiary, and that leads nowhere. Then you guys claim we're only fighting for ourselves and our club. You're delusional, and honestly, there's no point talking to you.

Someone said something great once, and I nearly fell over laughing when I saw the Black Knights' display about drying up the swamp. I knew deep down we were in deep shit regarding how seriously this needs to be handled. Not through internet bickering. For what it's worth, I'm not asking for your support, nor am I being a hypocrite; I'm just annoyed that you chose a compromise—a compromise that the mafia running UEFA and the USSF will exploit against you and all fans. But of course, you don't get it. You think we're just jealous because you have the numbers. But that crowd will toss you under the bus the second your group hits trouble and faces heavy-handed repression. That's how it works everywhere; you just think you'll be the exception. Anyway, do whatever you want; it's none of my business. On that note, I'd ask my colleagues to stop bringing up the Black Knights on this thread. We have a thread for the BBB where we discuss everything, including them. Let them post here and act like they're the law and that nobody will ever mess with them.

This forum is nothing but a tragicomedy and a total circus. It’s honestly absurd what one can read here. Does the Black Knights crowd really expect this kind of "support"?!!
What is wrong with you people? The locals look out for themselves and their own club, just as the Bad Boys look out for theirs. What is this "fan solidarity" nonsense? It’s pathetic to read. The locals have nothing left to chant; they’ve already made their mark. To hell with them and to hell with the repression crushing the Bad Boys—remember that.
The locals focus on their own interests, much like how you forum dwellers should stop whining and fighting here just to beg for support for the Bad Boys.
Because let’s be clear: the Bad Boys aren't looking for any "support" or "help" from anyone in this scene.
If they end up getting harassed at the game against the Dragons today, then all of you who obsess over fan solidarity and brotherhood can enjoy your moral high ground. 🤣

Kevin Nelson3 said:Just admit it: you care about your club and you want what’s best for it.

It is exactly the same as you. 🙂

Robert Adams6 said:Just like you guys. 🙂

Honestly, I’m not even ashamed to admit it—I really don't give a damn if Real Madrid sells off their young talent for whatever price they can get. $33Look, if there’s 10 million bucks on the table, who even cares whose pockets that cash is landing in? Honestly, I couldn't care less if the guy on the sidelines is some total idiot bowing down to George Steinbrenner or if we actually land someone like José Mourinho. And frankly—I really don't give a damn if only 100 people show up to the stands because everyone’s too busy feeding their own egos or just feels like staying home. I mean, seriously, it's not my problem.

So, what am I even supposed to say here—that I’m going to join forces with all of you to take down Steinbrenner for the sake of the greater good of American soccer? Yeah, no thanks. My fight against Steinbrenner is strictly about making sure Hajduk gets better—but listen, I’m not trying to just copy-paste your club's growth model. I want us to build something on actual, honest foundations. And honestly, why should I feel ashamed for wanting that?

Look, you don't even need to feel bad about admitting you couldn't care less about us—just say what you want to say. You just want a massive, powerhouse Real Madrid.

What kind of "survival struggle" for the fan movement are we even talking about here? Is this fight really about whether or not you get to light fifty flares in the stands? Or is it actually about having a club you can truly get behind in Europe—a club you’re proud of, where you might actually decide it's not worth lighting those fifty flares against the Sheriff? Are you fighting just so you can scream insults at George Steinbrenner, or are you fighting to get someone in charge who you won't feel the need to scream at in the first place?

You gotta gut a fish from the head—simple as that. And in our version of football, those "heads" are the club owners. It’s on us, the fans, to be the real gatekeepers. We need to be the ones deciding who gets through the door and who gets to take over a club, making sure we spot and shut down any shady characters trying to worm their way into power. Honestly, once everyone finally cleans up their own damn backyard, the USSF is going to collapse like a house of cards all on its own.

Look, if you want to point fingers, start with yourselves. You’re the reason George Steinbrenner is still running the show today. Seriously—don't blame Mark, don't blame Vrb, don't blame Bloomberg, or even Clinton and Davor Šuker. No, this one's on you. You guys should have been out there with pitchforks and torches the second he walked through the door—right when those shady, slave-driver contracts started leaking and his ridiculous behavior became impossible to ignore. But did anyone say anything? Nope. Everyone stayed quiet as long as it was convenient—or, let's be real, as long as it didn't mess with your own lives. And now? Suddenly it’s an issue, and everyone wants to play the hero and help fix things. Give me a break.
Seriously, who even are these people? You’ve got those 200 Bad Boys showing up in Miami for the derby, a hundred guys from the Midwest, two vans full of Demons, Funcuts, and Tornados—and then there's us. Honestly, nobody is coming to save you guys—you're going to have to deal with this mess yourselves, however you see fit. And seriously, next time, maybe be a little more careful about who you let through the front door of the club.

And honestly? Those recent, pissed-off comments like "fuck you" didn't just pop up out of nowhere because someone else changed their tune. It’s more like what most people were actually thinking finally bubbled to the surface—you know, that feeling where everyone just stops giving a damn about the outsiders and starts focusing on their own backyard. They just didn't want to admit it sooner because, hey, we’re fans, right? We’ve got to be the idealists, the rebels, the crusaders for the greater good... yeah, yeah, whatever.

Man, I know some of the Bad Boys are out here dreaming about what would happen if the absolute best experts in the business took over Hajduk—you know, turning us into a powerhouse ten times stronger than we are now, all while having that perfect, seamless connection with the fans. It’s like how some people wish George Steinbrenner would just pack up and leave Real Madrid so someone equally powerful could step in—someone totally clean, without any of that shady baggage—so we could finally start dominating for the next decade without having to deal with constant scandals and headaches.

Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Did you all get paid off or something?

Everyone’s losing their minds because we didn't chant at that guy during a game we were dominating—only to end up shaking in our boots, praying for some bullshit comeback. Look, I was the first one to say I'm sick of George Steinbrenner and shouting nonsense long after the final whistle.
What the hell is even happening anymore...

I’m honestly just totally over all this fanboy romance and people acting all "solidarity" and stuff. I'm not from Miami, so I guess I just have zero patience for this kind of kissing up.
I can't stand George Steinbrenner, I hate Real Madrid, and I hate BBB. Honestly, I hope they all go down together and just end right here.

cosmicdrifter44 said:Posts and logic from idiots like this are why we’ll never amount to anything. Drop dead, moron.

Exactly. One idiot like this gets fifty people worked up, who then just end up telling everyone else to fuck off and fight their own battles, and it just keeps going in circles. This whole so-called fan "movement"? R.I.P.

Jonathan Lewis3 said:I'm not being contrarian just for the sake of it; I'm just saying what's on my mind.
You know me well enough to realize that if someone isn't sucking up to anyone or playing favorites, that's just how I roll.
I don't need to go on a long rant about my past or everything I've done—anyone who actually knows me gets it.

The fact that you think Hajduk matters more than the Black Knights tells me everything I need to know. You’re basically the type of person who claims to have seen an entire action movie but missed every single actual stunt. That's proof enough for me.

If Hajduk were truly my number one priority, I’d be at every single game in the East Stand, soaking up the tension and enjoying the ride.

Stop talking nonsense...
You're completely lost in your own fantasy and mixing things up. Maybe one day you'll figure out what actually matters, but until then, go fish. 🙂