Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

analogheron19 said:Who has ever actually benefited from smoke bombs?
What on earth are they even doing at the stadium?

From what I can gather by watching how fans behave, smoke bombs are mostly used to pump up the crowd. When one goes off, it feels like everyone's adrenaline spikes; the chanting gets louder, and the energy just shifts—kind of like when flares go off, except you don't see it coming until suddenly everything feels more intense.
I suppose that while they can be great for the atmosphere, they can also cause twice as much trouble. So, I think whoever is throwing them really needs to have their head on straight. For instance, instead of tossing them onto the track, they could just throw them into a drain so nobody gets hurt.

Robert Cooper60 said:Look, let's be realistic here.
With something like a cannon, you can really get screwed over, and the worst part is that it’s usually some kid collecting footballs or, in this specific instance, a firefighter who ends up getting hurt...
A flare is also dangerous if it hits you, but then again, you can see it coming; you actually have enough time to move out of the way because it takes a moment to reach the ground, unlike something fired from a cannon.

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I suppose I am just being practical; sure, it can cause damage, but why on earth would anyone lunge at anything that lands on the track? Someone in Chicago got hit recently, if I recall correctly, just a little while ago. Maybe there is a lesson to be learned from that, as throwing things isn't exactly new and it is undeniably dangerous, so those firefighters should probably be better educated on the matter. They have those tongs available, so why don't they use them, or simply drop their visors on their helmets... whatever. You can take precautions. And honestly, what you're saying is kind of ridiculous—why would someone sitting in the upper stands aim for a storm drain? 🙄They’d rather just get rid of him immediately and call it a day.

You never know who’s actually gonna take charge when things get real..takethis kid, some random ball boy out there... what does he even know about this stuff? Honestly, kid doesn't have a clue.

And honestly, what's even the point? You can't ever really stop or control it because when you've got 6,000 or 7,000 people in a crowd, there’s always going to be some guy who thinks it's a riotously good idea to throw stuff.
The real issue is that these guys need to actually realize what they're doing and where they're aiming... I feel terrible for the firefighter, but man, things could have been way worse if a kid had gotten hit or if that woman in the stands had been struck by something heavier.

In the future, just use your heads, okay?

Also, quit throwing flares onto the turf; just leave them in the stands. Especially those strobe lights.

Throwing stuff from above the first row is just stupid—if you’ve actually got something, get down right against the fence. Those banners act as a shield so the cops don't catch you on camera. And honestly, my advice? Just toss them into the gutter where nobody's looking. You could throw them all the way to Christmas and it’d be totally safe—plus, the effect is probably twice as loud because of the echo.

lonewolf53 said:From what I’ve gathered while studying fan culture, those smoke canisters are used just to kickstart the energy. Once they go off, your adrenaline spikes, the chanting gets louder, and everyone goes a little wilder. It’s basically like setting off flares, except nobody sees it coming until it suddenly hits you.
But then again, as much good as they can do, they can cause twice as much trouble. Anyone throwing them really needs to have their head on straight. For instance, instead of tossing them onto the turf, they could just throw them into a drain where they won't bother anyone.

Listen, back in the early 90s, getting hit with a heavy ladle would have sent my adrenaline through the roof... and I definitely would have had a clear conscience about it.

Flares look great in photos, but honestly, they’re a total nightmare in practice...

Melissa Reyes45 said:Launching fireworks from above the first row is just plain stupid if you ask me, because if you actually have them, why not just drop down right to the fence? Using those plastic covers acts as your shield against any local government agency trying to film you, and honestly, brother, you could just toss them into a storm drain where nobody is around, and you could throw them until Christmas without a care in the world, plus the effect would be twice as loud because of the echo.

It’s just basic common sense, isn't it?
To me, the only real idiots were those guys back when a few consecutive massive blasts at the stadium made the whole forest shake. It would thunder so loudly that those fools would start shaking in their boots while we all erupted at five hundred decibels!
But this current idea of setting off twenty smaller ones is just silly, especially since there's such a higher chance of someone getting hurt, particularly a child who might be running around picking things up. Isn't that just too much risk to take with a kid's safety? And really, if a firefighter hasn't prepared himself for fireworks and flares after a hundred years on the job, isn't he just being foolish?

Here’s another clip from the big rivalry game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mq_xQbwyAo

Jose Kern11 said:It’s just basic logic, really.
To me, the only foolish move was back when those few loud cannons would go off in a row at the stadium, making the whole forest shake. It would thunder so hard these idiots would start squealing, and we’d all be shouting at 500 decibels.
But having 20 smaller ones now is just silly because there's a much higher chance of someone getting hurt, especially a kid who's running around. That's too big of a risk to take with a child's safety. A firefighter is being unreasonable if they aren't prepared for cannons and flares after 100 years on the job.

I basically agree with the sentiment—I’m all for using cannons, provided it's done smartly... maybe in a designated area handled by someone who actually knows what they're doing. But regarding the **bolded part**, is it really that hard to grasp? Firefighters have to pick up a "flare" immediately so they don't scorch the turf, burn through the advertisements, or "destroy" stadium property (which is basically the city's money)... they have to react instantly. Plus, if the flare doesn't even light, maybe the official won't even see it, which could mean a lighter penalty. If everyone starts lighting massive flares right at the beginning, they start flashing everywhere until the cord burns out... what do you think a firefighter concludes when they see that?

You guys are tedious.
The firefighters have reached an agreement: they’re done patrolling the trails and snuffing out torches in buckets of water. Instead, they'll be stationed in the tunnel between the North and West sectors just watching everything unfold.

Robert Adams6 said:You guys are tedious.
The firefighters agreed they won't be hanging around the stands anymore—not wasting time extinguishing torches in water buckets—but instead, they’ll be stationed in the tunnel between the north and west sections just watching the action.

Great, everyone’s happy. Honestly, forget it. A friend of mine works for a local government agency and he was telling me about those firefighters from Chicago and Newport—apparently, when there's a big game, they're supposed to be on duty at the turf specifically to handle the fighting. Because, let's face it, those sneaky "cops"—as a person from Imotski would say after every game—just have two or three lazy guys report workplace injuries. Not to mention one guy who even took mental health leave because he couldn't sleep due to the "explosions." That R8 leave was fully paid by the employer, so the unit commanders eventually shut them down once they realized what the game was. They realized money was being funneled through these made-up excuses. So fine, let them fight—might as well make it look like a war zone in a small town in the US back in '95.

You toss some waste into the drainage ditch and the whole thing just blows up, leaving nothing but concrete debris scattered everywhere ☕

Melissa Reyes45 said:Sure, everything is great for everyone else. But honestly, forget about it. A friend of mine works at a local government agency and tells me that when there's a big game involving those Chicago and Newport crowds, they actually encourage the firefighters to be on duty at the turf field just so they can fight. It's all a setup. After every match, some guys—the kind of people you'd hear a person from Imotski complain about—will claim two or three injuries just to collect worker's comp. Not to mention this one guy who went on medical leave for psychological reasons because he couldn't sleep due to the "explosive noise" of the crowd. His employer paid for his entire R8 leave. Eventually, the unit commanders had to shut that whole operation down once they realized what was happening. They realized money was being wasted on these fake claims, so they said let them fight like it's a small town in the US back in '95.

You are completely out of your mind, haha..
Written by someone else 🤣 🤣 🤣

You guys have become more tedious than members of Congress; every single day brings some new nonsense to the agenda, all filled with "we should probably" 😁

Man, this is absolutely legendary... honestly, nothing else even comes close.😁

Melissa Reyes45 said:Yeah, sounds great for everyone, right? Honestly, just screw it all. A buddy of mine works for a local government agency and he’s telling me how those firefighters from Chicago and Newport basically get told to be on duty at the local turf whenever there's a big game, just so they can get into some scraps. Because let's be real, those sneaky "lawmen," as people from Imotski would call them, always have two or three lazy bums reporting fake workplace injuries after every match. Not to mention this one guy who pulled a mental health leave because he couldn't sleep from the "explosive noise"—getting his R8 paid for by the employer the whole time. Eventually, the unit commanders had to shut that nonsense down once they realized what was actually happening—just money being funneled through made-up excuses. So go ahead, let the chaos erupt like it's a war zone in a small town in the US back in '95.

Man, stop talking out of your ass... I worked for the Chicago municipal water department for eight years, and I know plenty of people from that circle, so you don't need some guy from a tiny local government agency feeding you garbage. I really don't feel like getting into a massive debate about firefighters right now, but it’s the same old story: people from any given department will always pick fights with anyone from another department over working conditions. It's like guys from Chicago will fight the crews in LA or Seattle, while completely ignoring the fact that the LA crew is busy dealing with actual gas line emergencies and stuff.

feralwolf16 said:Look, don't talk nonsense... I spent 8 years working for a local government agency in Chicago—and I still know a few people who worked alongside me—so you don't need some random guy from a small town to spout stupidity. I really don't feel like getting into this whole debate about firefighters right now, but it’s all connected to your point: people from any specific department will always go to war for one of their own. It’s just how it works. A guy from the Chicago department will always defend his guys against someone from LA or NYC, while completely ignoring the fact that, say, the LA crew might be meddling with gas lines or whatever else they shouldn't be touching...

Who knows anything about work, Fjube? 😍

it looks like our guys will 🤣🤣

Melissa Reyes45 said:Who’s even talking about work, Fjube? 😍

Yeah, right, just go run after some snake or whatever. Honestly, getting drafted back into the service after ten years of doing absolutely nothing might actually be the only way you'll ever see a paycheck... I honestly have no clue how an "American soldier" can even wrap their head around calling someone out over work stuff...:*