2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11)

Nicole Reyes97 said:Yeah, he's just trying to play to the crowd... 🙄

Well, someone has to step up and do it, since they clearly aren't fighting for the championship title anymore...

Nicole Reyes97 said:Yeah, exactly... that "diva squad" will always be at each other's throats—while the rest of the drivers (the smart, objective, level-headed ones) just sit around waiting—like crows circling a scrap—for some "Alonso situation" they can use to nail him to the cross even harder. ☕

That's just how it goes, I guess. Even a few years back, people started nitpicking and twisting the rulebook just to see if it would give Ferrari an edge—back when they had those behind-the-scenes deals with Fio and were basically the only ones the FIA sided with while everyone else was pushing for the new Concorde Agreement.

That whole approach has led us here—where everyone spends their time dissecting regulations and hunting for loopholes to outsmart one another. Races have turned into soap operas with zero action or actual risk, where the lawyers end up being the most important players on the grid.

Up until yesterday, the target was Lewis Hamilton; today, it’s Alonso; tomorrow, it’ll be someone else entirely. It sucks, but when Ferrari was dominant and had all those connections back in the day, everyone was happy to play along—now, they can deal with the consequences.

In the meantime, my guys learned how to skirt the rules ever so subtly—and they still have plenty of credit left from all that nonsense in the past. Great for them, I suppose—bad luck for everyone else.

Roger Wright94 said:It’s basically the exact same scenario, except back then the Germans were neck and neck, whereas this "our" duo was right in the middle of the turn.
Michael Schumacher still left a little room for Sebastian Vettel—not much, but enough, I guess. If he hadn't, it probably would've been an illegal move.

Man, you're talking nonsense here.
Alonso just pulled a total rookie move there.
He pulled the same kind of stunt back at Renault, and even during the Suzuki 2007 days, where he immediately gave the position right back.
The guy's just a bit of a wild card, you gotta accept that.

James Smith50 said:I mean, someone’s gotta step up and do it, since they aren't exactly fighting for the championship anymore...

Honestly, you'd be better off checking if Kimi Räikkönen actually tumbled into a canyon or something. Alonso still hasn't found a gig as a comedian yet.☕

I’ve been scrolling through everything, but I don't see any actual discussion regarding the race 🤷🤷🤷 ☕

redheron12 said:Well, screw it, that's just how life works. Even a few years back, they started twisting the rules and interpreting them every which way just to help Ferrari—back when they had those secret deals going on with Fio and were basically the only ones the FIA actually listened to while everyone else was fighting over the new Concorde Agreement.

That whole mindset has led us to where we are now, where everyone is just dissecting the rulebook looking for loopholes, trying to outsmart one another. Races have turned into soap operas with zero actual action or risk, and honestly, the lawyers have become the most important people in the paddock.

Yesterday it was Hamilton being targeted, today it's Alonso, and tomorrow it'll be someone else. Honestly, when Ferrari was dominant and had all those connections—back when the old man was running things—everyone was fine with it. Now? They can just deal with the backlash.

Meanwhile, my guys have learned exactly how to bend the rules without actually breaking them, and they've still got plenty of credit left from all that nonsense in the past. Great for them, I guess, but bad luck for everyone else.

But hey, what can you do? It's just the way things are right now. 🤷It’s totally normal for these controversies to pop up, but it's gotten to the point where you can't even say anything to someone without them getting defensive. People are so convinced they're right—whatever that means—that they think any disagreement is a personal attack, which is just pointless. We all know Ferrari is the villain here, and now they're finally paying the price. I'm not exactly thrilled that Alonso is driving for them, but it is what it is. McLaren has always been a clever fox, so seeing them dodge penalties doesn't really surprise me.

Honestly, all these post-race debates are just endless bickering. It would be way better if mistybear87 just closed every single race thread on Monday morning. 😁

mistybear87 said:I'm scrolling through here and I don't see any actual discussion about the race yet 🤷🤷🤷 ☕

Look, since I basically have to be my own judge and jury here 😬 :

Nicole Reyes97 said:Honestly, all this post-race chatter is just noise. It'd be way better if mistybear87 just locked every single race thread by Monday morning 😁

mistybear87 😳

I don't want to shut this thread down, but I'm going to have to start handing out warnings for off-topic posts ☕

Nicole Reyes97 said:You’d be much better off keeping an eye out to see if Kimi actually drove his car off a cliff into a ravine... because it looks like Alonso still hasn't found a gig as a comedian... ☕

A comedian? If you actually knew anything about rallying, you’d realize it’s far more demanding than Formula One... I honestly don't understand why we're still bickering over this, especially since Alonso overtook Kubica off-track and you people are still out here defending him for not giving the position back...😕

James Smith50 said:A comedian? Honestly, if you actually understood anything about rallying, you’d realize it’s a hell of a lot more demanding than Formula One... I really don't see why we're all bickering like this. Alonso overtook Kubica off-track, yet here you all are, still defending him even though he hasn't given back the position.😕

Could you please take a look at the posts above? ☕

mistybear87 said:just read the posts above ☕

So Kubica-Alonso isn't at Indianapolis Motor Speedway? Am I the only one getting banned for mentioning an on-track duel while everyone else gets a free pass?

Well, goodbye to you and this entire subforum... I'll consider coming back once this place actually has two moderators instead of just one...😉

James Smith50 said:Is Kubica-Alonso not being mentioned alongside Indianapolis Motor Speedway? Am I the only one getting penalized for bringing up an on-track duel while everyone else gets a free pass?

Well, goodbye then, both to you and to this entire subforum. I’ll consider coming back once there are actually two moderators active here.😉

This crossed the line at Indianapolis Motor Speedway a long time ago.☕

Nice one, mistybear87, using gasoline to put out a fire... you know, just to make sure everything burns up faster so there's nothing left to fuel it. 😁

Nicole Reyes97 said:Alright, do you honestly think Alonso is such an idiot that he’d just ignore a penalty order? 🙏 Surely he and Ferrari had some reason to be "disobedient" (if those three warnings actually meant anything). It would have made sense if Alonso was being clever and chasing fast laps so that even with a penalty, he wouldn't lose too much ground. But he was stuck behind Rosberg after that incident.
It was a racing incident, and Formula One has seen enough of them to judge objectively.

But... like you said, you're better off staying stuck in your own little bubble.👍

I never said I thought he was an idiot; I was just pointing out who might have ignored the warning, and frankly, who that was doesn't matter. The fact remains: they ignored the warnings.

So what's your excuse for Ferrari ignoring the warnings then? The FIA stated they warned them three times—you're telling me they're lying? What, you think the FIA just makes stuff up?

Michael Lee4 said:The moment it happened, I thought, "there's no way he can do that," and I assumed Alonso would just hand the position back immediately. He didn't. I follow enough racing to know right away that wasn't allowed. They could have told him to give it back himself, or better yet, Alonso could have just done the right thing on his own.

Amen. First, Massin's situation at Monaco last year comes to mind. During an overtake attempt, he cut the chicane exiting the tunnel, but corrected himself after Tabac and let the damaged driver through.

Then there's the fact that Alonso—along with Hamilton—doesn't seem particularly inclined to step aside for a driver they just bypassed by cutting a corner or a chicane.

Michael Lee4 said:So what's your excuse for why Ferrari ignored the warnings? The FIA issued a statement saying they warned them three times—does that just not hold water for you? Are you suggesting the FIA is making things up?

My question is when they actually received those warnings, and whether Robert was already too far gone due to his mechanical issue (though, honestly, the real question is whether he should have even given the position back since Robert pushed him off the track, but let's set that aside for now). I'm wondering how the whole situation actually unfolded.

Ferrari's take is this: at the moment race control instructed us to give the position back to Robert, it was clear he had already lost too much time. It was obvious he was having trouble and had fallen behind.

If they got the warnings right then, what exactly could they have done?! Unless Alonso is supposed to just throw it into reverse, drive backward to catch up to Robert, and pull up behind him? 😁

Here is a snippet from Coulthard's commentary, which pretty much sums up everything regarding Webber and Vettel:

As Christian Horner explained, his team were in an invidious position. With just one new front wing and two hungry drivers, he applied a logic he felt would give Red Bull The Best chance of winning The championship. That is his prerogative.

"The mistake Red Bull made, and which Christian has admitted, was that they did not go into the weekend with that system already in place and publicly known; that way they would not have left themselves open to accusations of partisanship.

And I think this part is spot on 😁

"This is not sitting on the fence. this is The paradox of formula One. The driver-team relationship is One of The most complex in sport; a multi-million pound marriage with the divorce papers signed on the same day as the wedding. The relationship will end; that much is certain. It is just a question of time. During that time, both sides will try to extract the most they can from the partnership.

And then there's this 😲

"There were reports on Sunday Night that Mark 😬 I have no idea if that is true – I have to say I sincerely doubt it – but race teams are tight-knit communities so this is undoubtedly a very big test for Christian.

Team chaos 😵

cosmicridge5 said:Just a quick question from me— When? They received those warnings—and honestly, I wonder if Robert had already gained too much ground due to his technical issue. It really makes you question whether he even should have yielded the position in the first place, given how far ahead he was. He really pushed through—it was quite a feat, actually. Regardless of where we stand on that—but let's set that aside for now—the real question is how the whole thing actually unfolded.

Ferrari says this: By the time race control told us to hand the position back to Robert, it was already clear he’d lost far too much ground—he was clearly struggling out there and just couldn't make up the gap.

If they were handed warnings back then, what exactly was the move? — unless you expect Alonso to just throw the car into reverse, drive backward through the field, and pull up right behind Robert? 😁

Maybe you should dig around for another source—f1racing is nothing more than basic fan propaganda.

"I actually hopped on the radio and suggested to the crew that if they just swapped positions again, we could avoid having the stewards step in," he told an American racing magazine. "We told Ferrari three times—quite clearly, in my view—that they really ought to let Robert have that position back."

We gave them the call right after the overtake happened—immediately—but they just didn't act on it. By the time that third message finally came through, Robert was already way too far back to make the pass work again.

On Monday, Stefano Domenicali mentioned that—well, he noted that... Monday that Ferrari needed to wait for The FIA's Final decision about whether Alonso should give Back The Place—it’s one of those tense, lingering moments where everything just hangs in the balance. Monday that Ferrari needed to wait for The FIA's Final decision about whether Alonso should give Back The Place — a situation that feels incredibly tense.Otherwise—and I say this quite sincerely—we’d just face the criticism that we weren't being aggressive enough.".

I honestly can't wrap my head around who would actually accuse Domenicali of not being aggressive enough—it just seems so out of left field. 🤔

redheron12 said:Maybe try looking for some actual news sources, because f1racing is just basic fanboy propaganda trash

Bahah, are you kidding me right now?! 😂 You're pulling your info from this exact post 🤣 I was just quoting a section of the text from YOUR own "source," Rain 🙂 🤣

Actually, my sources have mostly been coming from CBS, babe 😁 who, if they even bother being biased, are probably biased toward your guys first 😘

cosmicridge5 said:Barack Obama, are you kidding me?! 😂 You're citing your own "source" from this specific thread— 🤣 I was just quoting a snippet from YOUR source, redheron12.🙂 🤣

My sources were actually mostly from CBS, honey—😁 people who, if they even bother "rooting" for anyone, would likely be rooting for you first.😘

Hmm—it's a classic diversion tactic. By attacking me personally, you're trying to shift the focus away from the fact that Domenicali is being totally inconsistent—mostly because he's terrified someone (looking at you, Alonso) will call him out for lacking any real aggression.

redheron12 said:hmm, a total distraction tactic. A personal attack on me just to shift focus from the fact that Domenicali is being completely inconsistent with himself—and probably terrified that someone (looking at you, Alonso) will call him out for lacking any real aggression.

Come on, you have to admit it's pretty ridiculous 🤣 how you went after me and tried to discredit my point using your own unreliable sources 🤣🤣

And oops... looks like you lost track of the time... I guess I managed to throw you off your game a little bit. 😳 😁

As for Domenicali, well... honestly, I'd be the first one blaming them for reinstating the position immediately. It wasn't even an irregular move to begin with; it was just a standard racing incident where Robert's car simply got pushed off the track. 🤷 😁