Is it allowed for moderators to insult users?

Regarding the Faith and Freedom thread, my post was deleted. I submitted a question to the complaint book
regarding the reasoning behind this, while strictly following the rule of appeal.
I wasn't being insulting, nor was I trolling or disparaging anyone; I was simply responding
to a post whose claims I found interesting. What's the issue there?

In response, I received an ad hominem attack from a moderator, claiming that I am
obsessed and that I am personally targeting moderators. 🤦
When I tried to explain myself, I was met again with accusations from the moderator
Chris Peterson53: you're the one who's obsessed, followed by some psychoanalysis about how I'm playing the victim,
and so on.

http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=480339&page=4

The rules listed in the complaint book were immediately sent to me via a link in her post.
Right in the first sentence, it states that insults will not be tolerated,
among other things. So why is her insulting me being tolerated? This isn't about ego,
which many people hide behind when they lash out at others, acting as if they just need to fix someone's
balance. 🙄 This was pure rudeness and insults used because there were no actual arguments left.
Where have I ever called out or insulted any users or moderators like this?
The only thing I could do was try to handle it with a bit of humor in two or three threads I opened in the complaint book
about similar topics. Why? Because honestly, writing about these kinds of petty tactics is becoming exhausting.
They are never wrong; they are always blameless, while users are labeled as de facto morons,
idiots, or disobedient. Now, I'm being called obsessed and practically paranoid. 🤦
At least, that's how it usually goes in the religion section.

So, apparently, being "obsessed" is what defines someone who asks
why their post was removed? Yet, those specific labels were directed at me—unlike others—based on criteria known
only to her, along with the claim that I am "personally targeting moderators."
I was also instructed by that same moderator to file a complaint through the complaint book, which is exactly what I am doing now.

Given everything I’ve stated, both before and now, and having received no response from administration,
I am kindly asking the administrators of Reddit to review my concerns and act according to
the Rules regarding moderators.
I don't have to be friendly with every single moderator, but I shouldn't have to endure
this kind of verbal abuse. When I signed up for Reddit, I accepted the Rules, but I also
expect those same Rules to be upheld by the people moderating the religion section.
And it's not just me. The behavior of these two moderators is nothing short of a dictatorship. It’s easy
to just leave the site, but these patterns of behavior and insults still linger. I haven't
come here to insult anyone or to spark "religious wars," yet that is constantly
being forced on me, degrading both my character and my faith. My posts, where I
point out the uncivilized conduct of these two moderators during discussions,
are mocked and ridiculed. As an individual, I feel like I'm being silenced, even pushed onto
the casual chat threads (suddenly I'm untalented and boring, of course, written by someone
who hasn't faced any sanctions). On that same thread, after I made a single comment questioning whether
mocking Jesus is necessary, the moderator rowdyhawk10 responded with a provocation,
saying "allergic, allergic," while Chris Peterson53 chimed in with more mockery,
followed by others, as rowdyhawk10 starts creating threads about the Church and its "activities."
I've seen this behavior before in that thread, and it seems to be the standard script for anyone deemed "unfit."
I just ask that you consider whether I am truly the one who is unfit. And for whom,
and for what reason? Simply because I don't belong to the group of mockers? 🤷

http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=277819&page=416

When I asked just one single question about whether mocking God was really necessary, Tom basically told me I shouldn't try to police the thread. But honestly, anyone looking at the logs can see who's actually being preachy here. Just two pages later, rowdyhawk10 goes on this long monologue about Islam after I made a comment, and then it gets wiped. He didn't miss his chance to post a link to some pop singer wailing about "love," though.
We even brought this up in the complaint book. On top of that, there's Nazi imagery being posted in the same chat thread, which is apparently supposed to be funny. 👎

I’ve truly tried my best to write thoughtfully and keep things civil on these topics
regarding the pdf, but what's happening here just isn't normal anymore. I'm done trying to argue
with either Chris Peterson53 or rowdyhawk10. They are both incredibly good at making someone else look like an idiot.
My posts are visible to everyone on Reddit, and the moderator posts are too. The ones that aren't, the admins can still see.
I'm not claiming to be a victim, nor am I playing the victim, but I refuse to be anyone's victim. There's a big difference.
I am asking for a timely response from administration; I already reached out to the supermod,
who hasn't responded either.
Otherwise, I'll have to take further steps with the proper authorities that handle these types of cases, where
I'll have to prove allegations of being "obsessed," "targeted by moderator persecution," or "hate speech," and so on.

Thank you.

Susan Brooks83 said:Otherwise, there are further steps being taken through the appropriate legal authorities that handle these types of cases...

Up until that sentence, you might have actually come across as somewhat likable.

Nicholas King said:Maybe you could have actually come across as likable with a sentence like that.

Why are you back here again? Acting like some kind of moderator's lawyer, I guess.🙄
I don't really get why you feel the need to jump in like this.🤷
Why are you always siding against whoever is making a complaint?
If the mods were doing their jobs even halfway decently, they wouldn't need you pushing this "it's just a joke" attitude.

Nicholas King said:Maybe you could have actually come across as charming with a sentence like that.

Oh, so now you're the one judging me? 🤦 Since we're right in the middle of presidential election season, feel free to run for office yourself. ☕

Edit: thanks Alex Barnes8 for understanding. 🙂

Susan Brooks83 said:Maybe you should be the one preaching to me. 🤦 With the presidential elections going on, you could always run for office. ☕

Edit: thanks Alex Barnes8 for understanding. 🙂

I see how things work over in the Religion sub. The mods there... I don't know. That's why I hardly ever visit.
It's wild that on a site called Reddit-style forums, the biggest crime is being a Catholic believer. 👎
The way they insult the Catholic Church is just disgusting to read.
And it's usually the same people doing the insulting who play the victim, claiming minority rights and rambling about discrimination. 🙄You can't even speak up. They act like these ultra-moral moderators who strictly punish any perceived offense, yet they’re the ones being most offensive. 👎 👎 👎 🙂

Alex Barnes8 said:What are you doing back here again?

Because I can. ☕

Susan Brooks83 said:Oh, so now you're the one looking out for my soul? 🤦

Honestly, I can't say I'm interested in being "blessed" by someone who spends their time threatening others with "action from the appropriate authorities" in a conversation like this.

It’s honestly fascinating how you cherry-pick words from my response just to twist them into some new meaning that fits your own narrative.
If you were to actually list every single accusation you’ve leveled against me and moderator rowdyhawk10—and there are dozens upon dozens, both here and in those open threads on the PDF—the conclusion would be inescapable: you are time obsessed, exactly as I stated. You’re trying to spin it to make it look like I’m accusing you of some different kind of obsession, and now you’re throwing in "paranoia" (along with all your other insults and calling people idiots) which nowhere and never has been mentioned by either rowdyhawk10 or myself.

And as for these claims that you’ve never insulted us personally? You clearly have a very convenient memory... maybe it would be wise to go back and reread your own posts, especially on these boards and over in the Miscellaneous section. Remind yourself of the adjectives you used to describe my character (not my moderation, mind you) on a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with you—the same behavior that landed you that suspension from Ford, which, if I recall, you also complained about...

here
I have zero intention of engaging in any further debates with you here.
I said what needed to be said, and you’ll keep talking because you think you have to.

Regardless, as far as posting on the PDF goes, you're always welcome.

Nicholas King said:I honestly can't bring myself to care about someone who resorts to threatening "official action" in a discussion like this.

And that's fine by me. Why? Because you aren't in any position to make those threats. ☕
Every citizen in this country has the right to contact the authorities if their constitution guaranteeing rights are violated. And in this case, they have been.
So, please, just be polite and leave me alone. ☕

Chris Peterson53 said:It’s actually pretty impressive how you strip words right out of my response just to twist them into whatever new meaning fits your narrative.
If you were to list all the accusations you've thrown at me and moderator rowdyhawk10—and there are dozens of them, both here and in those public threads on the PDF—it leads to one unavoidable conclusion: you are time obsessed with this, just like I said. You're trying to paint it as if I was accusing you of some other kind of obsession, and now you're adding paranoia to the mix (along with all those other insults and calling people idiots) which nowhere and never was ever mentioned by either rowdyhawk10 or myself.

And regarding the personal insults you claim you never directed at us... honestly, you seem to forget things pretty quickly. Maybe it would be a good idea to go back and re-read all your posts, especially on these pages and over in the Miscellaneous section. Just to remind yourself of the adjectives you used to describe my character (not my moderation work, but me personally) on a thread that had nothing to do with you. That whole thing ended with you getting a formal warning from Ford, which you also complained about...

here
I have no intention of getting into any more arguments with you here.
I said what I felt needed to be said, and you seem to think you have to keep going.

Anyway, as far as posting on the PDF goes, you're always welcome.

If I recall correctly, you made your stance clear in the complaint book, quite convincingly
and that response basically ended any further "debate" from your side regarding my insignificance.
So, I went there, thanked them for the decision, and followed your own instructions
regarding the appeal against the ruling.

So, no comment on the post above, other than noting this is the first time I've been told I'm "welcome" on the PDF after everything we've been through. ☕

Susan Brooks83 said:Furthermore, there are images featuring Nazi content within this same chat thread, which is apparently supposed to be funny. 👎

Thank you.

Nazi imagery? 😕
Please, just provide a link to the specific image that is allegedly promoting Nazism. 😳

The way this is being presented makes it seem as though you are lying.🙄 Or perhaps, were you simply absent during your history classes when they covered World War II? ☕

Why was she banned?🤔 😕 😲

Nicholas King said:

Susan Brooks83 said:So, what, you're going to be the one to show me mercy? 🤦

I don't particularly feel like showing any affection toward someone who threatens "action from the appropriate authorities" in a situation like this.

If I had happened to mention mercy, I suppose people would have assumed it was a matter of...
The sexual exploitation of a female forum user by a moderator. 🙂

rowdyhawk10 said:If I had actually mentioned anything about "affection," it would basically look like the moderator was engaging in
sexual harassment toward a female user. 🙂

I'm not going to get bogged down in that specific argument, but since I've already stepped into this mess: if she really got banned because of this thread, then the whole decision is just a total failure.

Of course this thread isn't the reason. 🙂 The formal appeals process exists specifically for situations like this—for instance, when someone is unhappy with how a moderator handled things. However, I suppose Peter Stewart6 would prefer to spread those complaints outside of the designated PDF, which is exactly where they aren't allowed to go according to the rules. Best,

rowdyhawk10 said:It’s obviously not about this thread. 🙂 The official process exists specifically for things like this—say, if someone isn't happy with how a moderator handled something. But I guess Peter Stewart6 wants to push complaints outside of this PDF, and into places where they don't belong according to the rules. Anyway.

Where was this "outside the PDF" happening? 🤔 I didn't see anything. Which thread was it even in?

Chris Peterson53 said:It’s actually pretty amazing how you just strip words out of my response, twisting them to fit whatever narrative you want to push.
If you actually listed all the accusations you've thrown at me and rowdyhawk10—and there are dozens, both here and in those open threads over on the religion complaint book pdf—it would be obvious that you're just obsessed, exactly like I said. You’re trying to spin it to make it look like I’m the one being obsessive about something else, and now you're throwing in "paranoia" (along with all the other insults like calling people idiots) which neither rowdyhawk10 nor I have ever once mentioned.

"Amazing" is probably the wrong word for how you altered the words from my reply by editing your own post on this thread—something I didn't catch until I went back to read it after you called me out. You wanted me to "control myself" regarding what I supposedly "left out."
But looking at the words I was talking about... for instance, those phrases starting with "you are obsessed" in your second text? They aren't there anymore, along with several others. 🙂
Am I just imagining things? 😁 Your post looks much "softer and nicer" now that you've edited it in the complaint book, compared to the first version I filed a complaint against, which contained everything I just listed. It seems like you're just worried about what you actually said, so you deleted parts of it. Honestly, I wish I had copy-pasted the original text; apparently, that’s necessary sometimes. 🙄

On top of all that, I have to "admire" your sheer nerve in posting this comment regarding my complaint
about your text in the religion complaint book pdf right here on this forum.
It just goes to show everything I've been saying about your dishonest moderation, the blatant disrespect, and how you twist the truth.

As far as the insults (personal ones, at that) that you claim you never directed at us, you clearly have a short memory... maybe you should try re-reading all your posts, especially on these boards and the General Discussion section. Just to remind yourself of the names you called my character (not my job as a moderator), on a thread that had nothing to do with me, which ended up getting you a suspension from Ford...

Look, here
I have no intention of dragging this debate out with you any further.
I said what I felt needed to be said, and you seem to think you need to have the last word.

Yeah, mostly through links. I'm "honoring" your moderation style with humor, not attacking you personally, since I don't even know you. And it isn't an insult; it's just laughing, because that's really all that's left after the way you and rowdyhawk10 conduct yourselves.
It’s not an insult; it’s just the truth told through a joke.
And if you want to take this personally, that's your issue, not mine. And honestly, it's not just yours, it's also the issue with
"your colleague rowdyhawk10, who you're obviously thinking of when you say 'directed at us'." Look, being rude and insulting isn't my style. Humor is, but I try to keep it civil.🙂

Anyway, just think about your own motives and the tone you're taking compared to my posts—and his, too. And how you're treating me. Because
we all pour our own personalities into what we write, whether we want to admit it or not. That's just how it works. People don't write these things for us;
we write them ourselves. At least, that's how it feels to me. So, these posts are a reflection of someone's character. Which means,
you've adopted this moderator persona that I basically "gifted" to you. Whether that persona actually reflects who you are inside...
well, I won't go there, because that would be turning into a psychoanalyst. 😬
He made his stance clear a long time ago—he wants people kicked off the PDF. But what about you? You
hinted at something regarding "rules about banning" my insignificant self back before you were a moderator. 😉 ☕

By the way, regarding writing on the PDF, you're always welcome.

Khmmmm, aha, nice attempt at a moderator power move. 🥳

P.S. I said I wouldn't comment on this post of yours, but I had to, just to clarify why something is "fascinating". ☕

Peter Stewart6 is lying through his teeth!

This is my first response to you—if you check the complaint book, my post was logged on 12/22 at 10:56 PM, and there haven't been any edits since.
My second post went up at 12/22 at 12:47 AM, followed by a link to the forum rules ten minutes later. After that, I didn't touch a single thing—because every single edit (just look at your own posts!) leaves an indelible digital footprint.

Meanwhile, you didn't even post your complaint here until 12/23 at 3:37 PM.

Because you are intentionally spreading lies and accusing me of tampering with my posts, I am publicly demanding an apology from you, as well as a penalty handed down by this thread's moderators!
Here is the link to my first post; the second one was already linked in my previous reply.http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=134

The server cut me off while I was pasting the link!

Chris Peterson53 said:Lies have short legs, Peter Stewart6!

My first reply to you was logged in the complaint book on Dec 22nd at 11:15 PM—there haven't been any edits.
The second post was at 12:47 AM on the 22nd, and I added a link to the rules about 10 minutes later. After that, there hasn't been any interference, because every single edit (just look at your own posts) leaves a permanent, unerasable digital footprint.
And you posted your complaint here: Dec 23rd at 3:37 PM.

Because of these intentional lies and your accusation that I altered my posts, I am publicly demanding an apology right here as well as a penalty for you from this thread's moderator!

I'm not lying. As a Catholic, I try to avoid sin. Lying just isn't in my nature. ☕
Everything I wrote was simply a comment on your post, which was missing parts I specifically mentioned.
Parts I remember clearly being written. And I have long legs, thank God. 😁 This isn't an accusation, Chris Peterson53; these are facts I want a reasoned response to, rather than your calls for me to be punished.
Why would I apologize to you? 🤷 My intentions are pure, so my words reflect that.

As a moderator, you have the ability to edit text or whatever else you need to.
There's a sentence missing from your second post: "you're obsessed" —which is why I filed a
complaint here. 🙄 Furthermore, you used the text to "explain" my "obsession." ☕ It's a blatant insult, one you haven't been sanctioned for, and yet you continue to insult me by calling me a liar.

So you publicly demand? An apology and a penalty? 😁 You are in a position to demand. But I won't
demand anything from you or the admins. I’ll just ask you to come back down to earth and look at your own writing
from all angles. I'm asking the admins to react to the accusations and insults coming from moderator Chris Peterson53 toward me as a user on Reddit. You don't have to agree with what I write, but a certain level of decency
should be shown, especially since you're a moderator. Instead of humiliating and harassing users, you're trying to demand
your own satisfaction.

I was banned for three days just because I dared to make two entries in the complaint book PDF for Religion,
even though I could have just replied once. According to the rules. And it was labeled as a gross violation
of the forum rules. But the comment from "colleague rowdyhawk10" speaks volumes, even though I never received an explanation for the
ban; that option is disabled for me. I still don't know why, to this day.

Is this why I was banned? http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=480339&page=4

🤔 It's funny how quickly you responded to my post here. So much for my "harassing" you. 😁

rowdyhawk10 said:If I had actually used the word "caressing," it would imply some kind of
sexual misconduct by a moderator toward a female user. 🙂

The sentence you quoted refers to an amnesty, not whatever "justification" you're trying to insinuate here. 🙄
Basically, the term amnesty and the word caress mean two completely different things. ☕