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nimbleskipper13 nimbleskipper13 Member
34 messages
joined Feb 2005
#21 ·
Mac Hummer, I was almost shocked when I read your first post: you finally wrote something sensible! 👏

Of course, he went right back to that usual condescending, know-it-all tone of his immediately after. 😈

Honestly, Mac... you build such a solid foundation, only to ruin it all by piling on unnecessary bricks, plaster, mortar, and rebar.

Have you ever thought about trying something else?
Maybe astrology? 🙂
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
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joined Aug 2007
#22 ·
James Newman4 said:"The author combed through all the pertinent literature—scientific stuff, obviously—and drew some conclusions based on those findings."

Now, this is where things get truly fascinating—the author of this book isn't just some theorist; he’s a doctor who worked directly with patients using nothing but water as his primary tool, essentially discovering these results through firsthand clinical experience. 😉 😁

Look, if you don't grasp the fundamental purpose of a review article, well, that’s hardly my burden to bear.

If this doctor of yours was actually following rigorous scientific protocols, then there absolutely has to be a published paper on the subject somewhere in the archives. Come on, be reasonable—just drop a link or a formal citation so we can actually take a look at the data ourselves.
Amanda Turner70 Amanda Turner70 Member
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joined Sep 2005
#23 ·
nimbledriver81 said:Look, if your doctor actually used scientific methods, he’d have a published paper on the subject. Just drop a link or a citation so we can all take a look.

Man, you just don't get it! He doesn't need references, papers, or even actual science! Water fixes everything!

The only thing I'm stuck on... honestly... is how anyone makes real money off medicinal water when it's becoming harder to find everywhere... Or are they just selling the stuff from the local grocery store?
Elizabeth Miller8 Elizabeth Miller8 Active Member
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#24 ·
It’s the exact same arrogant crowd as Dow Chemical and her lot!!! When will you people ever learn to check your ego at the door?!?

Tell me, have any of you actually bothered to study how your own bodies function, or did some lady scientist have to spoon-feed you those facts too?

If we were living in an era where it hadn't been scientifically established that the Earth revolves around the Sun, I’d bet my life that people like you would be the first ones lining up to throw anyone who dared disagree onto a bonfire!

Oh, I’m sorry... I must have missed it in our little elementary school textbooks... clearly, if it isn't printed in one of your precious little books, it simply can't be true, right? What a fool I am for thinking otherwise!🙄
James Newman4 James Newman4 MemberOP
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joined Jun 2005
#25 ·
Elizabeth Miller8 said:Dow Chemical and her crew are basically cut from the same cloth!!! Seriously, when does this arrogance ever end?!?

I mean, have you guys actually taken a second to study your own bodies, or did some lady scientist have to spoon-feed you all that info too?

If we were still living in an era where science hadn't officially proven that the Earth orbits the Sun, I'd bet my life you’d be the first ones lining up to throw anyone who disagreed onto a bonfire!

I guess... but hey, that's not written in our little school textbooks, right? My bad, I must be a complete idiot... I suppose if it's not printed in a manual, it just can't be true!🙄

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 👍

Thank God 🙂 someone finally realized what kind of "crew" I'm out here fighting against! 😁

Elizabeth Miller8, you're totally spot on. People around here will argue about the most obvious things—stuff you can see with your own eyes and connect logically—just because there isn't a formal research paper backing it up. And even when papers do exist, they aren't always easy to find online, and let's face it, not everything is easily accessible to regular folks... 😉 😎

Look, I respect scientists, I really do, but you always have to wonder who that scientist is actually working for, what their endgame is, and whether their "breakthroughs" actually work in the real world or if they actually hold up when you try to apply them... 🙂
James Newman4 James Newman4 MemberOP
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#26 ·
Amanda Lee42 said:Maybe read that again right before bed... he’s sipping maybe 2 liters while watching TV for like 2 or 3 hours, and I lose track during the day since I'm not with him, but looking at his phone usage, I'd guess he's hitting at least another 4 liters of sparkling water throughout the day—though I assume it's more when it gets hot out, especially since he sweats so much.

Okay, I see what you mean now, my bad (though I guess you didn't phrase that quite perfectly either) .. 😉

Since you mentioned how much sparkling water he's drinking at the start of this thread, maybe try suggesting plain still water instead? That might change things a bit .. 🙂

PS: You mentioned he's sweating a ton, so what's his weight situation like? 😉
Peter Taylor63 Peter Taylor63 Member
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joined Dec 2004
#27 ·
Elizabeth Miller8 said:They’re basically the same crowd as Dow Chemical!!! When is this arrogance ever going to end?!?

I guess I have to ask, have you guys actually studied how your own bodies work, or did some scientist lady have to explain that to you too?

If we were still living in an era where it wasn't scientifically proven that the Earth orbits the Sun, I bet you'd be the first ones prepping the bonfire for anyone saying otherwise!

Hmm... but since that isn't written in our little science textbooks... silly me... I guess it must not be true then, since it's not in the books!🙄

Totally agree! 👍

I've definitely felt those pseudo-scientific claws of theirs on my own skin before! 🙄 😁 😁

Speaking of skin... I've dealt with dehydration a few times. Funny enough, I didn't even feel thirsty at the time, so I didn't drink anything, but I ended up in the ER anyway. 😲 😁 I mean, it was summer and the heat was brutal, so I guess the thirst mechanism just isn't that reliable sometimes. It took me a few tries to realize I should always carry a water bottle during the summer. Probably wouldn't matter the rest of the year, but doctors have been preaching about drinking 2 liters a day for ages. Something about flushing out toxins and other stuff. Then again, I read somewhere recently about a guy who died from drinking way too much water—brain swelling or something like that—but he drank a massive amount... So yeah, I guess everything is bad if you overdo it...
James Newman4 James Newman4 MemberOP
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#28 ·
Peter Taylor63 said:Count me in! 👍
I mean, I’ve personally felt those pseudo-scientific claws of theirs digging in, if you know what I mean. 🙄 😁 😁

It's kind of funny, actually... we could probably just start our own "crew" or something, might make for some pretty interesting matchups down the road.. 😉 😁

Peter Taylor63 said:And since we're talking about physical stuff... I've actually dealt with dehydration a few times in my life. And weirdly enough, I wasn't even thirsty at the time, so I didn't think to drink anything, but I still ended up in the ER. 😲 😁 But I guess the thing is, it was during the summer and the heat was just brutal, so clearly the body's thirst mechanism isn't always such a reliable partner. It took me a few hits to realize I should probably just carry a water bottle everywhere during the summer. For the rest of the year, you don't really have to worry about it too much, but doctors have been preaching about drinking 2 liters a day for ages. Something about flushing out toxins and all those other bodily processes.

Dehydration usually kicks in way before you actually notice it—like, maybe a day before—so you really have to drink water preventively.. 🙂

The best way to tell if you're running low is just looking at your urine; if it's super yellow (like dark), then you were already dehydrated "yesterday".. 😲

ps: that's why I love Guinness, you drink black and you pee clear.. pure magic.. 😁 👍

Peter Taylor63 said:Also, not too long ago I read about this guy who supposedly died from drinking way too much water, like his brain got flooded with fluid or something; but he drank a massive amount of water... But hey, as usual, too much of anything is bad...

I honestly think that's just nonsense... Water doesn't just flood your head like some kind of dam broke.. 😁

I mean, there might be special cases with certain sick people where you have to watch out, but for regular, healthy folks, I just don't buy it (assuming you're eating normally too).. 😎
Peter Taylor63 Peter Taylor63 Member
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joined Dec 2004
#29 ·
James Newman4 said:Dehydration actually hits you before you even realize it—usually a day early—so you really have to drink water preventatively.. 🙂

The best way to tell if you're low on fluids is just checking your urine color; if it’s dark yellow, you were already dehydrated "yesterday".. 😲

ps: that's why I love Guinness, you drink black and pee clear.. magic.. 😁 👍

I guess that all sounds like nonsense to me... It's not like water goes straight to your brain or causes a flood.. 😁

Maybe there are special cases for people with medical issues where they have to watch their intake, but for healthy people with a normal diet, I just don't buy it.. 😎

I doubt mine were from the day before, since that was specifically when things were intense (traveling, being out in the Sun...).

That part about the color is spot on. You can definitely see the difference after having coffee (it's usually totally clear), and we know coffee is a diuretic... Btw, salt keeps fluid in the body, and some people say you should eat a bit more salt during the summer, though I guess it's hard to know how much is too much...

I'm not sure about the head thing... the explanation was something about water building up everywhere, including the head, and maybe the membrane the brain floats in bursts or something... I have no clue... I'll try to find an article...
Peter Taylor63 Peter Taylor63 Member
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joined Dec 2004
#30 ·
The Daily Gazette

Water - the source of health (Part III)

Water's chemical makeup is just two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. Water makes up equal parts of Earth and our own bodies—it’s basically the secret ingredient behind life itself, keeping everything running and renewing. Most water on Earth is salty, though, and our supplies of fresh, drinkable water are getting pretty low. That's actually why the UN declared 2003 the "International Year of Freshwater." Some experts even think a country's wealth might eventually be measured by its access to clean water. Today, scientists from all walks of life, like biologists, chemists, and doctors, are trying to figure out the mysteries of this stuff. Beyond just being biological, its physical and electrical properties have been used for healing since forever. About 70% of our planet is water. Roughly 93.6% of all water is salt water, while only 6.4% is fresh, and we only have about 1% of that left as accessible reserves.
Research suggests most of us aren't drinking nearly enough. By the time you actually feel thirsty, you're already dehydrated. I guess it's better to make drinking water a habit rather than waiting for that feeling, because once you're thirsty, the damage is starting. We can only last a few days without it, and if you don't drink enough, you're looking at issues like constipation, gallbladder inflammation, kidney stones, or bladder infections. You really should aim for 1.5 to 2 liters a day, maybe even more if you're working out or if it's hot out.
It’s almost impossible to drink too much water. Healthy kidneys need it to function, and they can handle it without getting overwhelmed. Drinking extra won't just flush nutrients out, because those get absorbed through your digestive system, and fiber needs water to move through your body properly. When the temperature goes up, you lose more fluid through sweat, and dehydration can lead to dizziness, fatigue, headaches, weakness, and trouble concentrating.
Written by: Diana Lovrenčić, MD, Internal Medicine Specialist
Amanda Lee42 Amanda Lee42 Member
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#31 ·
James Newman4 said:Alright, I see what you mean now—my bad (though, if we’re being honest, your wording was a little fuzzy there too)... 😉

Since you mentioned the situation involves sparkling water at the start of this thread, maybe suggest he tries plain still water instead? That might change the whole dynamic... 🙂

PS: You mentioned he sweats quite a bit—how is his weight looking? 😉

There’s really no reason to worry quite like I did 😉
He’s 5'8" and about 198 lbs.
He’s built big, with shoulders like a linebacker. 😉 😁
He used to hit the gym and stays in pretty great shape—he's definitely more of an athlete and a workaholic, whereas I’m more of a desk person myself.😁
Peter Taylor63 Peter Taylor63 Member
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joined Dec 2004
#32 ·
here’s that article... it’s mostly about ramping up physical activity + I might have slightly misread the diagnosis, but whatever 😁...

HEALTH WATCH:

Drinking too much water while working out can be dangerous

Scientists at the University of South Africa in Cape Town say that drinking excessive amounts of water during exercise can actually be fatal.

Consuming too much fluid can lead to low sodium levels in the blood, potentially causing brain swelling or hyponatremic encephalopathy.

So far, medical literature has documented 250 such cases, with 7 resulting in death.

Researchers note that women engaging in intense physical exertion are at a higher risk for this condition (for example, an athlete from Ecuador who passed away during a marathon in Boston), but it also affects other athletes, hikers, and military personnel.

According to researchers, for most recreational and competitive sports, drinking between half a liter and a liter of fluid per hour should be enough.
James Newman4 James Newman4 MemberOP
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#33 ·
...take that runner from Ecuador who passed away during the Boston marathon... Researchers seem to think that for most people doing recreational or competitive sports, just sipping about half a liter to a liter of fluid an hour is plenty.

Look, nobody really knows what went down there, and I find it hard to believe she was chugging more than a liter of water an hour while running a full marathon, but even if she was, I don't see any real danger in that... 😕

Drinking water during training mostly just helps you stay hydrated so you don't totally crash when things get intense.. 🙂
Peter Taylor63 Peter Taylor63 Member
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joined Dec 2004
#34 ·
James Newman4 says:
I mean, nobody really knows what went down. It seems kind of crazy to think she downed over a liter of water in an hour while running a marathon, but I don't see any major red flags here either... 😕

But marathons can definitely last way longer than an hour! Plus, you've got people lining the course handing out bottles and cups constantly while they run... So, yeah, it's totally possible. I guess we'll never know for sure what actually happened though...
nimbleskipper13 nimbleskipper13 Member
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joined Feb 2005
#35 ·
Listen, before everyone completely loses their grip on reality—which, let's be honest, seems to be happening already—you need to focus on a few specific things. Grab your Guyton textbook and study this:

- Acid-base regulation and the body's water and electrolyte balance
- How adrenocorticotropic hormones affect water and electrolyte metabolism
- Cushing's and Addison's syndromes
- Diabetes insipidus

Once you've done that, you can just sit back and drift away...
😎

Water is vital for survival. The human body is made up of more than 70% water, and our basic daily requirement typically falls between 1500 and 2000 ml...
When ambient temperatures rise, the body loses more fluid through increased perspiration (insensible water loss via the respiratory system) and sweating. In these cases, conservation mechanisms kick in, which means decreasing glomerular filtration and increasing water reabsorption in the tubules, resulting in the excretion of concentrated urine...

This isn't exactly groundbreaking stuff; these principles have been understood for thousands of years. We aren't reinventing the wheel here. 😂
In fact, it was all figured out a long time ago. 🙂
steelsailor17 steelsailor17 Member
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joined Jan 2003
#36 ·
I’ve read through this entire thread, and right after James Newman4’s first post, I immediately noticed a striking similarity to one former forum member.

Honestly, I don't get why some people are coming for James Newman4—when he’s talking about water, it has absolutely nothing to do with dietary supplements or the wellness industry. 😁
Unless, of course, there is a connection:
From the thread "Dietary Fiber: Multiple Benefits"
"Furthermore, a higher number of these subjects were utilizing vitamin supplements."

It’s just the writing style, the registration dates, and a few other little details that seem to line up...
What I'm struggling to grasp is whether James Newman4 has pivoted toward sales and marketing for "healthy water"—so if someone asks which water is the healthiest, we don't waste our time like we're stuck in a Mexican cantina, waiting through 1,000 posts just to find out which brand is being discussed.
I’d kindly ask our esteemed forum member to just tell us straight away: what’s the best water?
And while we’re on the subject, is nimbledriver81 done selling supplements? Because one female member specifically asked about it, and I want to make sure we point her in the right direction.
Whether we send her toward the healthy water or both...
I’m asking my fellow forum members to help clear up these dilemmas.
👋
James Newman4 James Newman4 MemberOP
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joined Jun 2005
#37 ·
Let me just jot down a few more thoughts before I crash for the night, just so you guys don't waste too much energy tomorrow stressing over absolute nonsense... 😉

It actually makes me pretty happy to see people reading my threads; I mean, maybe someone will actually pick up a tip that helps them out down the road (hopefully toward a healthier life).... 😉

steelsailor17, honestly, when people keep hitting you with the same old garbage over and over, after a while, you almost start believing that stupidity is actually possible.. 😁

The only truth here is that "soft guy" is basically doing the same line of work as me—which is probably why we sound alike—we're even on the same team (we collaborate and swap info all the time), and he’s actually the one who got me interested in this forum in the first place. At first, I was just lurking and reading, but I eventually had to jump in with comments because they kicked him out for no reason (in my opinion), so I guess I just picked up where he left off, which kind of became entertaining in its own way.. 😉 👍

As far as water goes, I don't really have any "cause and effect" connection to it other than the fact that I drink enough (like 2-3 liters a day), plus I don't sell water or hold any stocks in distribution companies like Nestlé or PepsiCo or anything like that... 😁
Regarding the question of what water is best, I can't really give you a straight answer because I don't get too worked up about it; I'll drink tap water, I'll drink Dasani, I'll drink whatever is available depending on where I am at the moment, but usually, I go for still water.

You can really see it here how most people get hung up on WHO is writing something rather than paying attention to the actual messages being sent, which are directly tied to the topic of this forum, which is HEALTH 😎

"I don't get why some people are attacking Mac Hummer now, since he's talking about water, which has nothing to do with supplements or wellness"

Just so you know, water has a massive connection to dietary supplements, regular nutrition, and it's a core part of wellness, whether you're drinking it or just splashing around in a hot tub.. 😉

If you aren't drinking enough water, then there isn't much point in taking all those supplements or getting nutrients from a standard diet, because all that stuff we ingest won't actually reach every single cell in our bodies if there's no water to carry it. That's the whole basic idea of cellular nutrition—feeding every cell in the body, not just filling up your stomach. 🙂

Let's take a step back for a second. Our bodies are made of different organs, muscles, tissues, bones, and so on. Through our veins, arteries, and lymph nodes, necessary substances are transported to the cells that make up our organs and every single inch of our bodies. Food contains what our cells need. Through two incredibly complex processes—digestion and absorption—the food we eat is broken down into molecules so it can be absorbed, stored, and used in various biosynthetic reactions, while the parts that can't be used are separated and flushed out. Unfortunately, it happens quite often that, for the reasons we talked about earlier, even if we eat regularly, it doesn't guarantee our cells are getting all the nutrients they need; in fact, we might just be overloading our bodies with useless or harmful stuff. This happens because we're missing certain foods, or because we aren't paying enough attention to what we eat, or because we're eating too much or too little, or simply because a poor diet causes poor absorption (which, very frequently, is caused by a lack of water).

So, basically, absorption happens through these tiny little things called intestinal villi—they're like these microscopic fibers lining the inside of your gut that just maximize the surface area so you can actually soak stuff up. But, you know, things like colitis, other gut issues, or just straight-up garbage diets can really tank your ability to absorb anything. When that happens, your cells aren't getting the fuel they need, which creates this massive imbalance because you're lacking high-quality nutrients, and honestly, most people don't even realize it until they actually get sick or something goes wrong. I mean, in like 70% of cases, the main reason people end up at the doctor is because of problems caused by a bad diet!

If we just gave our bodies healthy, complete, and actually correct food, a lot of these issues could probably be avoided, since the body would actually take in everything it needs (assuming we let it) to help everything run smoother. It’s kind of like a perfect machine, which is pretty much what we are, I guess.
We often end up paying the price because we just keep making these huge mistakes with how we feed ourselves, day after day.

A rational, optimal diet should basically guarantee you're getting the maximum amount of natural substances without overdoing it or running low on essential nutrients.

The whole philosophy here at HL is just about providing guidance on healthy, proper nutrition to the world, helping everyone feel a bit better!

ps: Back at HL, even 25 years ago, people were already talking about how important water and a balanced diet are—specifically that "cause and effect" link with health—which I guess is only just becoming obvious to most people now. 😉 😎
Amanda Lee42 Amanda Lee42 Member
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joined Sep 2013
#38 ·
Amanda Lee42 said:There really isn't any reason to worry quite like there is with me.😉
I'm 5'8", about 200 lbs
...a bit on the larger side—broad shoulders, built like a linebacker.😉 😁
He used to hit the gym regularly, so he's actually in pretty great shape; he’s definitely more of the athletic, workaholic type, whereas I am strictly a "sit-on-the-couch" kind of person.😁

I actually just convinced him to step on the scale,
and right now, he's sitting at about 178 lbs.
It's the classic scenario—he'll probably settle into his summer weight of around 172 lbs, but then he tends to bulk up to nearly 200 lbs during the winter. Once the heat starts hitting in the States, those pounds just seem to melt off.
James Newman4 James Newman4 MemberOP
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joined Jun 2005
#39 ·
Amanda Lee42, I guess the scale isn't even the biggest deal here, honestly, it's more about those inches and your body fat percentage, though I keep saying this—it’s not really the fat you can actually see that messes you up, it’s the hidden stuff, you know? Like the visceral fat tucked away around your heart and all those vital organs... anyway, I think you mentioned somewhere that your husband was dealing with some health issues, what was the deal with that exactly?

ps: we've got this pretty cool lecture on nutrition coming up this Tuesday, so if you're feeling like checking it out, just shoot me a DM. It's free to go, but you do have to RSVP ahead of time... 🙂
Amanda Lee42 Amanda Lee42 Member
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joined Sep 2013
#40 ·
A meniscus issue in the knee—and honestly, just general back strain from work
Regarding those lectures... I can't really get away from the house right now because of the little one; frankly, just scrolling through the health posts here provides enough insight to learn something useful, don't you think?
My husband works quite late, and by the time he actually walks through the door, he isn't exactly in the mood to be jumping around after a baby all day.
He had some blood work done recently, and apparently, everything looks fantastic.
(Since you brought up fats...)

But I should mention that he drinks a massive amount of water—it doesn't seem to be hurting him, at least not yet—though his urine is incredibly bright. His blood sugar is fine, and they even performed that glucose tolerance test where you drink a glass of water with dissolved sugar and then test again two hours later; his blood pressure is a solid 120/80 at the doctor's office, though his pulse does tend to run a bit high occasionally.
Now, he does have a penchant for very salty and heavily seasoned food, so perhaps he is simply compensating for that low sodium level mentioned earlier.

Consuming excessive amounts of fluid can lead to decreased sodium levels in the blood, potentially resulting in brain swelling or hyponatremic encephalopathy.

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