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Steven Green2 Steven Green2 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2006
#141 ·
Rachel Gonzalez9 said:Thanks, Steven Green2, so I suppose I could take at least four of these daily until I manage to track down some higher-quality options......

I really ought to spend some time looking into what our local pharmacies actually have in stock...

Taking four is perfectly fine when you're dealing with health food grade fish oil, though I wouldn't advise going any higher than that. It will certainly provide a positive boost to your health, but you simply won't reach the full potential offered by PhG fish oil.

If I recall correctly, you might find two different PhG fish oil products in our local drugstores. I know one is the Twinlab mega Twin ep, but I can't quite remember the other one. Honestly, they are incredibly overpriced; it’s much more sensible to just order them online. 😉

@ Morgan Wright

You hit the nail on the head! 👍 Personally, I tend to eat portions that are at least twice as large as what the zone nutrition guidelines prescribe, yet I stick strictly to the same underlying principles. I've always had a bit of a sensitive reaction to carbohydrates, so this specific way of eating works wonders for me. 😉
Rachel Gonzalez9 Rachel Gonzalez9 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2007
#142 ·
I’ve come to realize this isn't exactly cheap... but honestly, no matter how high the price tag goes, there’s a limit to what you can justify. At the end of the day, though, we're talking about health. It's an investment that'll pay off for me in the long run.
Morgan Wright Morgan Wright Member
45 messages
joined May 2005
#143 ·
Here you go

Zone: charts / food lists / blocks
http://rapidshare.com/files/17358024...rnica.zip.html

😉
Rachel Gonzalez9 Rachel Gonzalez9 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Feb 2007
#144 ·
Thanks for the link. Now I can finally get those clueless types off my back... heh
A Anonymous Veteran
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joined May 2005
#145 ·
HEY GUYS—I see a lot of you are using ENERZONU by Barry Searle. How is it working out for you? What kind of results are you seeing, and are you actually happy with it?
I'm the main importer for ENERZONU, and the only one in the US, so I’m really curious to hear your thoughts on the Zone. Thanks in advance!
Alex White2 Alex White2 Newcomer
1 message
joined Apr 2007
#146 ·
🙂 I've heard this oil is top-tier quality, but what's the damage on the price?🙂
I'm talking about Enerzon
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
96 messages
joined Aug 2007
#147 ·
Steven Green2 said:Well, look at me go! 🙂

I’ve been following this principle for nearly a year and a half now—well, almost! To be totally honest, I don't follow the Zone strictly down to every single micro-detail; I have one specific meal (usually right after a workout) that deviates from the Zone, but the rest of my diet is pretty solid. And get this—I don't even stick to those calorie restrictions the Zone usually demands—I actually eat quite a bit more than that! Despite that, I feel absolutely phenomenal. For the last four months, I’ve specifically leaned into the Omega RX approach—it’s essentially the standard Zone, just supplemented with a much higher dose of PhG fish oil. 👍


Oh, wait a second! 😬 Weren't you the one trying to convince me that the Zone wasn't any good? You were insisting I should be eating, what was it, 3 grams of protein per kilo of body weight? So, what happened there? 😁

By the way, I’ve also been eating within the Zone for several years now. Well, mostly within the Zone—because let's face it, I am a total sucker for chocolate, so I slip up occasionally. 😬 But I do try my best to balance out that chocolate craving by pairing it with some low-fat cottage cheese.
Steven Green2 Steven Green2 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2006
#148 ·
nimbledriver81 said:
Oh, wait just a moment! 😬 Aren't you the very same person who spent our previous conversation trying to convince me that nutrition in zone wasn't actually a good way to go? You were insisting that I should be consuming, what was it, about 3 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight? I must ask, what on earth was your reasoning there? 😁

Now, I certainly recall our discussion regarding protein intake, though if my memory serves me correctly, I don't believe I ever suggested that the zone approach was inherently flawed. In fact, back then, I hadn't even realized I was following those principles; I had simply been eating that way for nearly a year without ever knowing it was technically "in zone."
😬 At the moment, I am aiming for roughly 3.5 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass, which is why I referred to my current method as a sort of "enhanced" version of the zone. The fundamental logic remains identical—specifically regarding insulin management, fat ratios, and all those other moving parts—it’s just that I'm consuming significantly more calories overall...
😁
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
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joined Aug 2007
#149 ·
Steven Green2 said:Right now, I’m hitting about 3.5 grams of protein per kilo of body weight—which is why I mentioned this is more of an "enhanced" version of the zone. The core logic remains identical—you know, when it comes to insulin management, fat ratios, and all that good stuff—it just carries a much higher caloric load... 😁


Let me lay it out one more time—anything north of 2 grams is basically just flushing money down the toilet! Even elite athletes only really need somewhere between 1.2 and 1.6 grams per kilo. Now, I’m guessing you’re into bodybuilding, which means—well, if that's the case—that higher number might actually make sense for you.
Steven Green2 Steven Green2 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2006
#150 ·
nimbledriver81 said:
Let me try to lay this out one more time, just to be absolutely certain we're on the same page: anything exceeding 2 grams per kilogram is essentially just throwing money down the drain. If you look at elite athletes, they really only need somewhere in the ballpark of 1.2 to 1.6 grams per kilogram to perform optimally. Now, I have this nagging suspicion that you might be involved in bodybuilding—which is fantastic, don't get me wrong—but if that’s the case, then I suppose those higher numbers might actually make sense for your specific goals.

Maybe it really is just throwing money down the drain—and I’m certainly not going to stand here and argue otherwise—but after years of experimenting with different ways of eating, I’ve finally found a rhythm that actually works for me. I do some recreational bodybuilding, though my primary goal isn't necessarily hitting massive new PRs; it's more about maintaining the physique I have right now. To be honest, I can only manage that if I keep my calorie intake quite high. The moment I even slightly scale back on what I'm eating, the weight starts dropping off immediately.
Well, I’ve found that I tend to lean toward a higher protein intake lately, and honestly, I’m also consuming quite a significant amount of fats. To be perfectly candid, that's just what my body seems to crave more these days. It’s a bit heavy on the fats, isn't it? To be perfectly honest, I find that certain meals—well, they’re just sort of "off," if you know what I mean—leave me feeling rather subpar and sluggish afterward, unless, of course, I make sure to eat them right after I've finished being active. 😉
David Sullivan61 David Sullivan61 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2006
#151 ·
It would probably be a lot more beneficial if, instead of obsessing over all these hormones, you actually took the time to learn American English.
We’d certainly be thrilled about that..🤣 🤣
Steven Green2 Steven Green2 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2006
#152 ·
Jessica Wilson29 said:It would honestly be a much better use of one's time to focus on mastering the English language rather than obsessing over all these different hormones.
We would be absolutely overjoyed...🤣 🤣

I wasn't entirely certain who that was intended for, but since it appeared immediately following my own post, I decided to take it in stride—either as a rather amateurish attempt at deep philosophy or perhaps just someone trying their hand at being a bit witty. 🙄
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
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joined Aug 2007
#153 ·
Steven Green2 said:Maybe it actually is a total waste of cash—and I’m not going to sit here and argue against that—but I’ve done quite a bit of tinkering with my diet, and I’ve found my own sweet spot through experimentation. I do some recreational bodybuilding, though my main goal is really just maintaining where I am right now, and honestly, that requires a pretty high calorie intake. The second I dial back the food even a little bit, the weight starts dropping off immediately.

Unfortunately, cranking up your protein intake doesn't automatically mean you're building more muscle mass—there's a hard limit on how fast protein synthesis can actually happen! Anything that doesn't get used to build muscle just gets flushed out of your system—which is exactly why I say it's basically throwing money down the drain.
I'm not sure if you've ever checked out Searle's website, but they have this calculator there to figure out your caloric needs based on how active you are. I calculated what I personally need to stay steady, but if I were a professional athlete 😬 , I'd probably need twice as much—so it isn't surprising at all that your requirements are higher.


I consume a bit more carbs, and my fat intake is pretty significant too... I definitely prefer fatty meals over high-carb ones; carbs tend to make me feel sluggish unless I've just finished a heavy workout. 😉


You probably already know the drill about hitting low-GI carbs before training and high-GI carbs afterward, right? Also, have you actually tracked how much fluid you're losing during your workouts? You might just be dehydrated.
Steven Green2 Steven Green2 Newcomer
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#154 ·
nimbledriver81 said:unfortunately, ramping up your protein intake doesn't automatically equate to more muscle mass, given that there is a physiological ceiling on how fast protein synthesis can actually occur. anything that isn't being utilized for muscle building just gets flushed out of your system—which is why I maintain that overdoing it is essentially just throwing money down the drain.
I am quite uncertain whether you have had the chance to browse the Search website; they have this rather helpful calculator designed to estimate caloric requirements based on your specific level of physical activity. I have personally calculated my own necessary intake, though if I were a professional athlete 😬 , my requirements would likely be double what they are now, so it stands to reason that your needs might be significantly higher than mine.

Of course, I am well aware that a fair amount of that extra protein ends up heading straight for the restroom, but I tend to consume quite a lot simply because I possess a genuine fondness for eating large meals. And, if I am being honest with myself, I may have somewhat overtaxed my digestive system over the years, as I often find myself plagued by cramps if I go even three hours without a snack; I suppose I have a rather low tolerance for hunger.🙂
I haven't spent much time looking at the Search website, but if I were to weigh my total intake against my daily caloric expenditure, I suspect I would find myself in a healthy surplus, as I am certainly consuming more than I burn off. That said, the quality of those calories matters immensely, and timing plays a crucial role as well. Not all calories are created equal, after all.🙂

nimbledriver81 said:
you are likely aware that one should ideally consume low-GI carbohydrates before training and high-GI ones afterward? also, have you considered measuring your fluid loss during workouts? it is entirely possible you are dealing with dehydration.

Well, I seem to possess a rather peculiar physiological makeup; I have a slender frame with narrow bones and thin limbs—the kind of build people would classify as an ectomorph—and yet, when I indulge in heavy carbohydrates, I find myself gaining body fat quite easily and feeling rather poorly afterward, sleepy and lethargic, which would suggest more of an endomorph tendency. Consequently, I practically restrict my carbohydrate intake to just two meals following my workouts (the first being high-GI and the second being low-GI) along with my breakfast. For the remainder of the day, I focus on proteins, fats, and a very generous amount of vegetables. This is truly the only way I can prevent that feeling of complete physical malaise after eating. On days when I am not training, I only eat carbs at breakfast, while my other six meals consist strictly of proteins, fats, and plenty of greens. Even though some people don't count vegetables as carbohydrates, if you eat enough of them, those low-GI carbs paired with fats and fiber are really what keep me going and help maintain steady blood sugar levels.😉
As for hydration, I haven't really noticed any excessive fluid loss during my sessions, particularly when the weather is cool. I generally drink a substantial amount of water, roughly five to seven liters a day, so I find it difficult to imagine that I could be suffering from dehydration.😉
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
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joined Aug 2007
#155 ·
Steven Green2 said:Actually, I’m drinking an absolute ton of water—probably somewhere in the ballpark of 5 to 7 liters a day—so I’m really not sure if dehydration could even be on the table here. 😉


😲 Let's go!😬
dustytrucker9 dustytrucker9 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2005
#156 ·
The zone is the real deal... it's definitely not some fad diet.
People overthink it and make it way too complicated, but honestly, it’s just a simple way of eating you can stick to for years.
Even small slip-ups aren't a big deal—like hitting the buffet during the holidays.
Doctors should probably build a monument to Search, but they're too stuck up to admit they don't have all the answers. Instead, they just push pills because Big Pharma needs that profit.

Come on, Zone crew, show the forum zone what this is all about...
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
96 messages
joined Aug 2007
#157 ·
dustytrucker9 said:The Zone is the way to live... it isn't some temporary diet.
People just completely misunderstand it—they make it so much more complicated than it needs to be—when, in reality, it’s just a straightforward way of eating that you can stick to for years.
Even those little deviations aren't off-limits, like enjoying yourself during the holidays or having a bit extra food every now and then.
Honestly, doctors should probably build a monument to Search, but they’re far too stuck up to admit when they don't have all the answers; instead, they just push pills on us because, hey, pharmaceutical sales drive the world forward, right?

Come on, my fellow Zone enthusiasts—show this Forum what the Zone is really about!

The averages here on the Forum are a bit low. 😬 It's always "this diet, that diet, how do I lose weight..." but the moment you tell people to actually think about what they're eating and how they're eating it, suddenly you're the crazy one who doesn't know anything. As long as they get to try out every single trendy new fad diet, right?
dustytrucker9 dustytrucker9 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2005
#158 ·
Yeah, you're right. It’s way easier for people to just follow some rigid recipe instead of actually learning how to eat.
It's always the same tired advice: "eat this, don't touch that," "just drink water," "don't mix certain foods"...
just a bunch of nonsense.
Then they act surprised when their nails start cracking and their hair starts thinning.
So, what are you doing, hanging out in the forum zone or just buzzing around the Health section?
coppertiger26 coppertiger26 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2007
#159 ·
dustytrucker9 said:Yeah, you’re right. It’s just way easier for people to follow some rigid diet plan than actually learning how to eat properly.
It's always the same nonsense—eat this, don't touch that, drink nothing but water, don't mix certain foods...
just total garbage.
Then they act shocked when their nails start splitting and their hair starts thinning out.
Are you even active in the forum zone, or are you just scrolling through the health section?

Ugh, my hair is falling down to my shoulders too😲 what am I supposed to do, dustytrucker9????? It’s gotta be that UN stuff's fault😉
slywalker11 slywalker11 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2007
#160 ·
So, do you actually live by the zone, or are you just playing pretend?
I’ve been looking into the zone a bit. It looks great on paper, but honestly? I think it’s unrealistic for most people. For instance, I cook at home maybe four times a week. The rest of the time, I’m stuck with bakeries or the university dining hall. You can't exactly put together a meal there that fits the zone, even if you follow it "liberally." It's easy to judge others as fools when you have no idea what their actual daily life looks like.

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