Did you hear Natalie at the Oliver Hudson concert?

Why don't you all just collectively go back to talking about politics? 😁

P. S. Banderas said:Why don't you guys all just head back over to the politics section? 😁

Don't go trying to push us away 😲 😲
Look, we've got some pretty cool posts here from the USA, Drita, myself, and Arthur Martinez7. No need to be such a grouch. 🙂
So, what's your take on the whole situation?

dustyscout53 said:Look, don't try to force our hand. 😲 😲
Here are a few interesting posts from the USA, Drita, myself, and Arthur Martinez7. Don't go getting all worked up about it. 🙂
So, what's your take on this mess?

Look, you guys might be right, but let’s be real: you’ve ended up attracting a crowd that never even stepped foot in the Music forums to begin with. You've basically invited in a bunch of people who hold completely opposite political views just to sit around and talk nonsense together. Now, everyone's just spinning their wheels and shouting into the void.

Here’s my take: Natalie Portman has an incredible voice, but there isn't much going on upstairs, and she definitely comes across as a total airhead. She’s arrogant, full of herself, and just generally obnoxious... but that doesn't mean she won't make it big. She might lack the ability to sing with the kind of raw soul you'd find in someone like Leonard Cohen—who doesn't have the vocal range of a goddess but possesses phenomenal feeling and touch. Unfortunately, I think that depth only matters to a tiny minority. Most people are just going to obsess over her massive range and "phenomenal" vocals, and that's exactly what will fuel a massive career.

Keith James812 said:just kidding, Betty Bennett10 😁

I’d bet my life that none of these self-proclaimed elitists would have any issue with Natalie Portman if the entire auditorium hadn't been erupting in thunderous applause for her 😁

The truth is, these baseless elitists are just people who are terrified of populism... or anything else the "masses" happen to embrace. They don't actually mind global success; in fact, they love it, provided they were the ones to "discover" the singer or band while the rest of the world was still oblivious. For them, that kind of mainstream success serves as nothing more than validation for their own supposed superior taste 😁

Sure, it's possible that when we talk about big names on this thread, we're talking about elitism, but I found it particularly fascinating how Natalie Portman was vilified during the height of the storysupernov era because of her alleged character flaws—and this was a competition specifically meant to find the best vocalist. For instance, it was quite amusing to listen to someone like the supposedly talented singer Ivana Banfić - šumica placing Natalie at the very bottom of her list of favorites 😁

It seems to me that people simply feel a deep-seated need to tear down anything truly exceptional.

Betty Bennett10 said:It honestly feels like people just have this deep-seated need to tear down anything that’s actually special.

Calling Natalie Portman's nonsense "exceptional" is a pretty bold move—and a little insulting to her, if you ask me. Look, we aren't here to throw insults around, lady. 🙂

It feels somewhat uncalled for to draw direct comparisons between Natalie Portman, who, as far as I’m aware, doesn't actually write her own material, and true singer-songwriters like Leonard Cohen.

Then again, there is an argument to be made that certain artists (like Dedić) would honestly be better off letting others sing their songs since they lack any real vocal ability—whereas others, such as Cohen, possessed a perfectly decent voice, even if it wasn't exactly a powerhouse with a massive range.

dustyscout53 said:Calling Natalie Portman's intellect into question is certainly a bold move, though I'd argue it's more an insult to her than anything else. And frankly, we aren't here to trade insults, young lady.🙂

Actually, people aren't really attacking her intelligence; they're critiquing her vocal performances. If anything, they seem to find her lack of wits somewhat charming.😁

Betty Bennett10 said:It’s a bit of a stretch to compare Natalie Portman—who, as far as I know, doesn't actually write her own material—to true singer-songwriters like Leonard Cohen.

Then again, some artists (like Dedić) would honestly be better off letting someone else sing their songs since they lack the vocal ability—whereas others, like Cohen, at least had a decent voice (even if it wasn't exactly a powerhouse range).

Look, I was talking about the vibe, not the songwriting credits. And my point was that having an ego trip doesn't have to be a career killer. I mean, look at lisica; she can be a total nightmare to deal with, yet she still manages to pull off a massive career.

It seems rather absurd to me that on the MUSIC subforum, everyone is obsessing over Natalie Portman's damn personality as if we all grew up in her backyard. We can all agree she has an incredible voice and sings beautifully, can't we?

Beyond that, some singers have actually built entire careers on a "bitchy" persona, so in the worst-case scenario, she could certainly do the same.

P. S. Banderas, you should probably thank us for bringing a little bit of the New York Post energy here to spice up this rather wimpy subforum. 😁😁

Man... thanks so much. Anyway,

I second this:
That doesn't mean she won't make it, though. Sure, maybe she won't sing with that raw soul you get from someone like Leonard Cohen—who doesn't have much of a voice but has phenomenal feeling and touch—but I honestly think that only matters to a tiny group of people. Most folks will just talk about how she has an incredible range and a killer voice, which is more than enough to build a massive career.

Reading through all this, one thing stands out to me: it’s basically three guys arguing over music that isn't meant for jumping on tables or passing the time while cleaning the house (okay, that was super cheesy, but I couldn't think of anything else), treating it like high art. Then there's a handful of people who assume that because a woman has a good voice, she's automatically a great singer. Those two things don't always go hand in hand. In fact, they rarely do.

Look, what you just wrote there is actually the most interesting part of this entire conversation.

I’m struggling to wrap my head around how you can claim that having a good voice doesn't necessarily make someone a great singer. Does that imply you think someone can be a top-tier vocalist without actually possessing a good voice? That is a premise I simply cannot get behind.

Check out my avatar.

Betty Bennett10 said:So, are you actually suggesting someone can be a great singer without having a good voice? Honestly, I just can't wrap my head around that argument.

Have you ever actually sat down and listened to Tom Waits sing? 😁

I wouldn't go so far as to say Tom Waits doesn't have a voice—it’s just that he sings with such a specific, stylized grit. That's really what I mean when I talk about someone singing "in a certain manner" or as a gimmick; it's not a style that personally resonates with me, but he certainly possesses a voice.

Is that Pratt Penn on your avatar, or maybe Bob Dylan? Because, honestly, I’ve always found Bob Dylan to be a pretty mediocre singer.

Betty Bennett10 said:I wouldn't go so far as to say Tom Waits doesn't have a voice—he just has this really specific style. That's what I mean when I talk about someone having a certain "mannerism." It's not really my cup of tea personally, but he definitely has a voice.

Is that Pratt Penn on your avatar, or is it Bob Dylan? Honestly, I think Bob Dylan is a pretty terrible singer.

Thank god there's more Natalie Portman and less Dylan out there. The world would be a much better place, don't you think? 🙂 🙂

If actual vocal talent were the metric for making the world a more beautiful place, then yeah, we’d definitely be getting a lot more Natalie Portman and a whole lot less Dylan.

Herostrat said:Look, don't sweat it. I know her songs inside and out, so I'll play them for you. ;-) It's not like there's anything I wouldn't do for you, right? Even Natalie Portman stood up for her 😁 😁 😁 🙄 👋

😁 😁 😁

Man, if it meant anything to you, I'd even sing Pusićka. That's how much I love ya.😁

Look, I honestly think Bob Dylan is a terrible singer.

😲 😲
A voice doesn't make a singer. Period. I'm done arguing about this incredibly stupid topic with people who clearly don't care about music (and because you don't care, there's nothing left to talk about—sorry guys, but I really don't care what your opinion is on whether someone "counts" as a singer). If you haven't gotten the point by now, you never will.

verica said:For me, say, it was actually lovely listening to that singer Ivana Banfić - šumica, who basically put Natalie Portman at the bottom of her list of favorites😁

😁

So, with all that said, I'm dropping my first bomb on this thread to wrap things up:

Keith James812 said:Natalie Portman has such a stunning voice, just pure bliss to listen to... the legendary Runjić gave her "Seagull" to sing—doesn't that speak volumes on its own?

As for the big picture, trying to compare a nineteen-year-old (?) Natalie Portman to Oliver Hudson is honestly just moronic... he's got decades of better and worse interpretations behind him, plus a lifetime of experience that you can actually feel bleeding through his songs... Natalie was just blown away by the crowd she found herself in, which is totally normal... In a sea of mediocre voices on the American music scene, I seriously don't get why people always go for the throat with young talent like this...

Bic said:😲 😲
A voice alone doesn't make a singer. Period. I'm honestly done debating this mindless topic with people who clearly don't let music touch their souls—which means there isn't much common ground for us to find anyway. Sorry, everyone, but your take on whether someone qualifies as a "singer" just doesn't interest me anymore. If you haven't caught my drift by now, you probably never will.

Look, I'm sorry you feel that way, but you really have no idea how much music actually defines my existence.

And please, don't get worked up about it. Even my mother gets defensive when I point out that Bob Dylan can't actually sing. 👋