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G3 lineup thoughts?

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Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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#21 ·
Bryan Barrett said:First off, my apologies for the delayed response; my internet connection has been absolutely abysmal today. 😠

They performed their own compositions live, though one could argue they lean toward the classical side, especially given how Jordan Rudess’s keyboards and the acoustic elements lend that specific flair. The guitar and keys weave together seamlessly, creating a fluid sound despite the tracks being quite lengthy—around nine minutes. There are moments of heightened intensity, but the primary focus remains the construction of melody. As for technique, when John Petrucci is involved, it goes without question. At certain points, he reminds me of Pat Metheny, yet it remains distinctly his own style. He blends acoustic and electric guitar effortlessly. Essentially, this is Petrucci in a different light, showcasing his full range of versatility. If you're interested, send me a PM and I'll get those files to you.

I would also suggest you listen to a couple of pieces by Jason Becker—specifically Air and Altitudes—just to see how even metal musicians can compose exquisite, atmospheric, and mellow works.

Thanks for the info. I appreciate your point about the music being fluid and prioritizing melody. The fact that it leans toward Pat Metheny is even more appealing. It sounds like my kind of thing. I'll shoot you a PM so we can coordinate. By the way, what's the damage for that CD?

As for Steve Vai and Joe Satriani, they occasionally—and quite frequently—tend to overindulge in technical self-gratification. Personally, that doesn't bother me much because I value technical proficiency just as highly as emotional feel; they are two sides of the same coin.😉 I believe the situation is different with John Petrucci (listen to the solos on Voices, Learning to Live, Under a Glass Moon, and Take the Time), as he has managed to perfectly balance technical mastery with genuine soul.

Exactly, that is my point. Ultimately, "feeling" is entirely subjective. For instance, people constantly attempt to convince me—which is a futile endeavor in itself—that Joe Satriani is a master technician who possesses both melody and soul. That is perhaps the most subjective claim one can make. I simply do not experience that particular "feel." It isn't the energy I gravitate toward; I just don't connect with it. What strikes one person as a beautiful melody might leave another completely cold. The same applies to Voja Stefanovski; people claim he has achieved that perfect marriage of technique and emotion, yet I find myself unable to feel it. We aren't on the same wavelength. To reiterate, I find Al Di Meola to be the perfect fusion of melody and skill. To someone else, he might seem like a show-off or perhaps too melodic. Anyway, I've wandered into theorizing now. But I have always found the subjective perception of music to be fascinating. Take I Love You Much Too Much by Santana, for example. The guitar truly weeps; it pours its soul out through such a breathtaking melody that it nearly moves me to tears. Then, I play it for a friend, and he remains utterly indifferent. I am moved to tears, while he finds it practically repulsive. These psychological nuances are genuinely interesting. But I will stop droning on with my ramblings...

Take care...
feralstag11 feralstag11 Member
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joined Nov 2003
#22 ·
Haha. LOL.
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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joined Dec 2004
#23 ·
feralstag11 said:Ha. Pure comedy.

I fail to see what is supposed to be funny here.
swiftmaker20 swiftmaker20 Member
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#24 ·
When it comes to Joe Satriani's technique, it’s easily a 100%. But the atmosphere? Maybe like 1%.
Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen—it's a hell of a lineup. I guess it depends on what you're actually looking for, but you can't really go wrong with any of them. Maybe. 👎
P. S. This is just my own personal take, so if anyone has an issue with it, don't expect me to sit here and explain myself. I'm not going to justify why I feel this way or how I got there. Period.
Bryan Barrett Bryan Barrett Member
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joined Aug 2004
#25 ·
wyrm said:Man, this is exactly why I ended up looking like such a hack... comments like these just ruin everything.
Cheers, Gianluca! I am 100% with you on this one. 👍

You wouldn't even be able to write a comment like that.

wyrm said:P.S. Just a heads-up, this is strictly my own take on things. If anyone wants to start an argument about it, don't expect me to sit here and explain my reasoning, how I got there, or why I feel the way I do... I'm just saying what I think.

Here’s the proof.
Justin Taylor Justin Taylor Active MemberOP
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joined Jul 2003
#26 ·
Kenneth Edwards3 said:Bravo... that’s basically my issue with Dream Theater—I just can't get into them. It feels pretty soulless to me. Everything is too perfect, too precise... it's just too much.

Seriously though... I totally get where you're coming from. It's tough to sit through a three-hour set from a band that maybe messes up two or three times at most!
cccc... what a joke. Real bands actually screw up at least ten times—if not more during a show.🙂 🙂 😵 🤮 🤮 👎 👎
A Anonymous Veteran
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#27 ·
I might actually agree with the idea that players like Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, and John Petrucci kind of kill the spirit of the electric guitar with their sterile perfectionism (take the blues, for example, with someone like Gary Moore). It’s wild how they—and their endless tablature—have basically brainwashed entire generations of kids. These kids have one single goal: cram as many notes as possible into a timeframe while blinding everyone with a massive wall of effects. Unfortunately, when you drop one of these technically advanced but fundamentally shallow players into a band where they’re supposed to nail a solid riff or provide subtle, tight, smart rhythm work between solos, they just fall apart. You can't put a donkey in an astronaut suit and expect it to fly. There are some old recordings of Jimi Hendrix playing acoustic that beautifully show how even as a raw kid, he understood the soul of the instrument. That was long before the Woodstock era, setting guitars on fire and smashing amps. There was another trio whose music was technically masterful, but at the same time
full of pure soul—Al Di Meola, John McLaughlin, and Larry Coryell...
Sadly, many of my guitar heroes have long since passed on, while a few legends are still out there tearing up the stage (like Ry Cooder or Santana). I guess what I'm trying to say is that every era has its own idols, its own sound, and its own set of values. That said, I wouldn't completely write off those modern shredders or their followers either. Not everyone is looking to play Honky Tonk Women, Bluesbreakers, or Purple Haze. Besides, Rock and Roll has been circling the drain for a long time—the real question is whether it even exists anymore.
Bryan Barrett Bryan Barrett Member
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joined Aug 2004
#28 ·
Justin Taylor said:Yeah, seriously... I totally get where you're coming from... it’s actually pretty tough to sit through a band that maybe messes up only two or three times during a whole three-hour set!!!
Man... what a load of crap... real bands mess up at least ten times, if not more. 🙂 🙂 😵 🤮 🤮 👎 👎

Is this the end of a beautiful friendship? 😁 😁 😁
Justin Taylor Justin Taylor Active MemberOP
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#29 ·
Bryan Barrett said:Are we looking at the end of a beautiful friendship here? 😁 😁 😁

Nah, please... it's just the usual bickering—keeps things from getting boring around here. 😁 😁 😁
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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#30 ·
Justin Taylor said:Yeah, seriously... I get where you're coming from... it’s incredibly tough to listen to a band that maybe messes up only two or three times during a three-hour set!!!
Give me a break... what a load of nonsense. Real bands stumble at least ten times, if not more, during a performance. 🙂 🙂 😵 🤮 🤮 👎 👎

What does that even have to do with anything? I don't think Ed was talking about literal technical precision; he meant they might be precise, but they lack everything else. What I call "soul." That's exactly what Kenneth Edwards3 is getting at regarding the sterility of Dream Theater. They can be professional and technically perfect, but what's the point if there's no soul in the music? And jumping straight to claiming other bands mess up ten or more times is pure speculation, nothing more.
feralstag11 feralstag11 Member
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joined Nov 2003
#31 ·
I completely agree with Gianluca and Ed. It’s nothing but pure showing off. A total "we know how to play, so shut up and listen" attitude. Just mindless technical flexing.

I’m just waiting for Nimoya to start typing about how we're all just kids (who clearly don't love DT) and that we simply lack the capacity to understand them. Apparently, once we become "adults," it'll all click. Honestly, there is nothing to grasp here. Like Gianluca said: "His guitar playing is just a frantic list of notes and a race against the clock."
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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#32 ·
feralstag11 said:I’m just waiting for Nimoya to start preaching about how we’re all just children who don't appreciate DT because we lack sophistication, claiming we'll finally "get it" once we grow up. It's absurd; there's nothing to grasp here. As Gianluca rightly pointed out, his guitar playing is nothing more than a mindless list of notes and a desperate race against the clock.

I highly doubt that will happen. Based on my email exchanges, I have always found Alan to be an incredibly reasonable and tolerant individual. He is free to enjoy what he listens to, but he isn't going to lecture anyone else about their taste.
feralstag11 feralstag11 Member
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#33 ·
Alex Martinez4 said:I’ve always found Alan to be a pretty level-headed and tolerant guy through our email exchanges.


Sorry, but it’s obvious you only know him through emails. 😛
Justin Taylor Justin Taylor Active MemberOP
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#34 ·
Alex Martinez4 said:What does that even have to do with anything? I don't think Ed was talking about literal technical accuracy—he was saying they’re precise, sure, but they lack everything else. Soul. That's how I call it. And I think that's exactly what Kenneth Edwards3 is getting at. That sterility in Dream Theater. They can be professional and hit every note perfectly, but what's the point if you don't feel any soul in the music? And now, jumping straight to pointing out ten or more other times they messed up their playing... you're just guessing at this point. Nothing more.

Look, if you want to frame it that way... fine. Personally, I see soul in Dream Theater—in their music, but mostly in their lyrics. They're deep.
But whatever... there's no point arguing about it... you can't argue taste. 😎 😎
Justin Taylor Justin Taylor Active MemberOP
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#35 ·
and by the way... when Kenneth Edwards first heard Petrucci's solo on Once in a Lifetime, he practically fell on his butt... now he's telling a whole different story... hmhm
😕 😕
feralstag11 feralstag11 Member
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#36 ·
our very own Igorić 😛
Justin Taylor Justin Taylor Active MemberOP
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#37 ·
feralstag11 said:our guy Igorić 😛

Man, he’s just totally confused... did you see that shirt he made??
Front says "Satan inside"
Back says "Idiot outside"
😁 😁 😁 😁 😁
feralstag11 feralstag11 Member
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#38 ·
LOL. What a joke.
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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#39 ·
Justin Taylor said:Fine, if you want to frame it that way... I personally find a certain soul within Dream Theater... specifically in their music, but primarily in their lyrical depth. They have substance.
But honestly, there’s no point in debating this, because you can't argue with taste. 😎 😎

Well, that is precisely what I was explaining to you—that "soul" is perhaps the most subjective element in existence. You perceive a soul in Petrucci and Joe Satriani, whereas I do not. I feel it in one artist, you don't. It is as simple as that. It is an energy you receive from a specific musician, and I struggle to describe it any other way. It is just that "something." That connection is entirely individual. Some people will resonate with it, others won't. Occasionally, we might both feel it with the same artist, and other times we won't. It is simultaneously simple and complex.

As for your other point, I find the notion that "you can't argue about taste" to be one of the most foolish arguments out there. I am not attacking your specific statement, but the entire concept itself is vapid and meaningless. The idea that taste is beyond debate is nonsense. 🙄 🙄 Why on earth shouldn't we debate it?
Justin Taylor Justin Taylor Active MemberOP
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#40 ·
Alex Martinez4 said:Personally, I think this is one of the stupidest takes out there. This whole "never argue about taste" thing. I'm not even talking about your specific comment—the entire concept is just mindless nonsense. "You can't argue about taste"... whatever. 🙄 🙄 Why the hell wouldn't you?

I get what you mean... it's more about being cautious. There's a much higher chance you'll run into some idiot looking for a fight over it than someone who's actually going to respect your opinion.😎

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