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Benjamin Clark12 Benjamin Clark12 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2003
#21 ·
Exactly... I see not buying original CDs as a lack of respect for the artist—which, legally speaking, it is. It feels greasy to me. I don't want to be cheap about this kind of stuff. If I want certain music, I’m not going to pinch $50 just to save a buck by asking someone to burn a disc for me. There’s zero excitement in that. Nothing beats taking some cash, heading down to a real record store, browsing the aisles, chatting with the staff, grabbing the disc, coming home, and finally playing it—pure bliss. Downloading things from the web? Total waste of time. It's cold, hollow, and there's no effort involved when everything is handed to you on a silver platter with one click. What’s the point? You hit the nail on the head regarding those self-proclaimed "connoisseurs."

Come on... you're exaggerating now.

Let's break this down.
I love physical CDs more than anything, let's get that straight.

So why am I downloading stuff online?
First: I can't always find what I'm looking for in local shops.
Second: I don't have an unlimited budget to buy every single thing I want. Is that really that hard to grasp?

And why do I burn discs from friends?
Same reasons, plus I'm not an idiot. If I have the chance to burn a high-quality audio CD, why wouldn't I?
If I end up loving an album, I'll make the trip to the store.
Though honestly, I probably won't find it there anyway. 🙂

As for that "greasy" feeling or the idea that I'm robbing my favorite band—that's complete nonsense.

The reality is I actually *have* to be careful with my spending here—I can't dump every cent I earn into music.
Look, I love music dearly 🙂 and that's why I make do. Just like most people.

Don't get me wrong, I still have my rituals of hitting up the record store and buying discs. It's just that I can only afford to do that maybe once a month.

Thanks. 🙂
Frank Howard79 Frank Howard79 Active Member
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#22 ·
Alex Martinez4 said:It’s not about just downloading stuff from the web... honestly, that feels so empty and hollow. There's zero effort involved when everything is handed to you on a silver platter—you just click a button and suddenly you have someone's entire discography at your fingertips. What's actually the point of that? You hit the nail on the head with what you said about those self-proclaimed "connoisseurs"...


Based on this logic, it sounds like following music or being a collector is nothing more than a luxury reserved for the wealthy.

Of course, I don't see it that way at all.
Daniel Bailey7 Daniel Bailey7 Regular
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joined Dec 2002
#23 ·
Based on this, you'd think following music—or actually collecting it—is nothing more than a luxury reserved for the ultra-wealthy.

Following the music isn't the issue, but the actual collecting part? Yeah... that’s definitely a rich man's game.
Kevin Chavez3 Kevin Chavez3 Veteran
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#24 ·
I know a guy who dropped $170 on a 7" "Lexicon Devil" by The Germs, and that’s what real collecting looks like—it takes serious capital. I don't have that kind of cash lying around; I'm working with $167 a month (which barely covers my coffee, nights out, clothes, and music), and honestly, I’d love to punch anyone who tries to lecture me about downloading stuff or ripping CDs... Even on this budget, I’ve managed to scrape together a hundred original CDs and about 150 vinyl records, but I simply can't afford any more.

e.g. The Ramones - Jak i glup
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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joined Dec 2004
#25 ·
by Benjamin Clark12:

Oh, come on... you're being dramatic now..

No, I am certainly not exaggerating. It seems as though one is required to preface or conclude every single sentence with "that is just my opinion" on this forum if they want anyone to recognize they are expressing a personal viewpoint without accusing others of holding different perspectives. I am simply stating that this is how I operate and how I apply my own logic; I am not suggesting that everyone else should conform to my way of thinking.

by Benjamin Clark12:

Secondly: I don't have enough money to buy everything I want. Is that really so difficult to grasp?

Did anyone actually claim that it was difficult to grasp? 😕 😕

by Benjamin Clark12:

As for this idea of feeling "sleazy" or feeling like you're robbing your favorite band, that is complete nonsense.

For one thing, I never suggested there was any sense of robbing a band in the first place. Furthermore, thank you for deciding that my opinion is nonsense; it may be nonsense to you, but it isn't to me.

Pozdraf...
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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#26 ·
Linda Rodriguez6 said:Based on this argument, it seems like following music or collecting vinyl is strictly a privilege reserved for the wealthy.

I find myself in total disagreement with that notion.

No, my point is simply that burning CDs feels pointless to me. Engaging with music isn't some exclusive luxury for the rich, nor is collecting itself, though one certainly needs a bit more disposable income if they intend to pursue such a hobby—assuming you are hunting for original pressings; otherwise, the cost is significantly lower.

Pozdraf...
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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joined Dec 2004
#27 ·
Kevin Chavez3 said:I don't have that kind of capital lying around; I manage on $167 per month—which should cover my coffee, nights out, clothes, and music—and I am honestly ready to throw hands with anyone accusing me of ripping tracks from the web or burning copies from someone else's CDs. Even with such a tight budget, I already own about a hundred original CDs and 150 vinyl records, and I simply cannot afford any more.

Why on earth would anyone accuse you of that? Anyone making those claims is just being a complete moron and a total snob.

Pozdraf...
Benjamin Clark12 Benjamin Clark12 Newcomer
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#28 ·
First off, I never said anything about feeling like the bands were being ripped off... second, thanks for deciding my opinion is stupid. If you think it is, that's your call—it isn't mine.

How exactly did I label your opinion as stupid if you don't actually believe it yourself? 😁

Best, 😉
Kevin Chavez3 Kevin Chavez3 Veteran
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#29 ·
Kevin Chavez3 said:I’d love to knock the teeth out of anyone accusing me of ripping music from the web or burning tracks from someone else's CDs.

Alex Martinez4 said:Pozdraf...

It feels like this is the second time I've gone way too aggressive responding to one of your comments, only for you to stay completely unfazed. Respect.

np Termites - Skylab
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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#30 ·
Benjamin Clark12 said:How exactly did I define your opinion as stupidity if that isn't my actual stance?😁

Best, 😉

Well, I suppose I do... yet, I wouldn't go so far as to call it stupidity. In fact, I don't think I would be particularly sane if I dismissed my own convictions as nonsense. Schizophrenia clearly has its perks.😁 😁 😁

Pozdraf...
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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#31 ·
Kevin Chavez3 said:It appears this marks the second occasion where my responses to your comments have been unnecessarily aggressive without provoking any actual irritation from you. I suppose I should give you credit for that.

np Termites - Skylab

Thanks, truly. 👋 👋
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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joined Dec 2004
#32 ·
It is truly inconceivable that there isn't a single person left with an actual opinion on this matter.
Bryan Martin31 Bryan Martin31 Active MemberOP
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#33 ·
Kylie said:They’re more of a New Age band anyway (like Clannad—per Bryan Martin3, if you know them)... [/B]

Even though my brain is basically pickled by other genres, which usually irritates our resident hipster Linda Rodriguez6 😉 obviously I've heard of Clannad, I just never actually bought anything from them.

If I remember correctly, Enya has some connection to them or something... I really dig them, at least the few tracks I've heard...
Thanks for the recommendation; I'll pick something up next chance I get (NO piracy! 😉 )

Gothic said:When I heard "It's no good" one late night back in '97, I was done... paralyzed, stunned, whatever you want to call it. [/B]

Our sweet little Gothic girl!
Now everything makes sense. That's the way to go—just keep moving forward!

Gianluca Vialla said:by veky: [The only thing I'm picky about is this: CDs have to be originals. I can't stand pirated copies. Gross! Even if I find a burned one and love it, I'll hunt everywhere just to buy the original. I know, it's pathological.] [/B]

Luca,
you just called me out as a veky, and I'm feeling a bit slow today...

Gianluca Vialla said:And downloading from the internet... totally pointless... it's cold and soulless. There's no effort involved; everything is served on a silver platter. You click a button and boom, someone's entire discography is yours. [/B]


So our Luca is truly a refined, ultra-sensitive consumer! Fine, buddy, keep it that way! Anything but these plagiarists! 😉

No, for real.
Regarding piracy—or those CDs where they claim performers are releasing them without permission—the debate over pirated copies versus listening on a PC has been all over various forums and band websites. Reactions have been split; sometimes extreme. On some sites, bands even apologized, swearing their releases would reach places like Northern America or Malaysia without those "blocks"...

My personal take is similar to Lucin's:
Why shouldn't the artists get a slice of the pie from their own work?
I'm a layman here, but I assume they have set contracts, plus they likely earn royalties from actual CD sales.

Of course, that isn't my main reason for preferring original CDs. It's purely psychological (and sometimes I risk a few blank discs because I'm too lazy to go out), not some pretentious self-righteous boasting about piracy.
Call me an idiot, but I live for the look and smell of original CD packaging! 😁

The rest of the guys said the same thing: I love walking into a record shop, whether I'm just wandering in or I have a specific idea in mind.
It’s just like buying a new car, isn't it? Isn't it better to feel like the vehicle actually belongs to you, rather than some cheap knockoff where someone else's fingerprints are all over the original? 😁

Benjamin Clark12 said:I'm in a spot where I have to save money on stuff like this... because I can't just blow my entire paycheck on music.
And look, I love music, so I make it work... just like most people. [/B]

Fair enough. But I see you get it too—you prefer the original CDs... 🙂

Look, reality doesn't hand out many luxuries to us "jaded cynics" 😉, so you take what life gives you—whether it's Napster, Kazaa, or LimeWire. That's perfectly fine, and you shouldn't feel bad about it.
I'm just one of those rare romantics, kind of like a classic old-school player. My old man was a total freak; he'd sit by the radio late at night listening to distant stations, and back in the day, he wasn't hitting up the local clubs just to hear the hits—he was there to meet people. You know what I mean. 😉

Linda Rodriguez6 said:Based on this, it sounds like following music—like, being a collector—is a privilege reserved for the rich.

Of course, I don't agree with that. [/B]

She beat me to the punch and pointed out how you're misinterpreting things... 🙂 (I don't think I missed the point...)
Bryan Martin31 Bryan Martin31 Active MemberOP
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#34 ·
Bryan Martin31 said:regarding those bootleg CDs—you know, the ones they claim their artists are releasing without their permission. [/B]

The "labels," obviously. 😳
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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joined Dec 2004
#35 ·
Bryan Martin31 said:Luca,
you called me crazy back in Vegas, and honestly, I’m feeling pretty out of it today...

I didn't... you simply misread the situation. This is an actual quote from Vegas—we share the exact same mindset, and perhaps you just grew fearful that I had finally lost my grip.😁 thanks for the concern 😁 😁
Alex Martinez4 Alex Martinez4 Member
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#36 ·
Bryan Martin31 said:It seems our friend Lucin is quite the sophisticated, hyper-sensitive consumer.

Well, that really depends entirely on one's perspective...😎
Frank Howard79 Frank Howard79 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#37 ·
It’s all wonderful and all well and good, but when I turn around and look at my collection of original CDs, I get a little chill thinking about how many thousands of dollars I’ve poured into them. So, I guess that's why you have to treat yourself once in a while...

Oh man, me too—there’s nothing quite like that fresh, new CD smell 😁
Bryan Martin31 Bryan Martin31 Active MemberOP
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#38 ·
Alex Martinez4 said:Look, I didn't... you misread that. This is an actual quote from a legend. You’re thinking the exact same thing I am, so maybe you just got scared that I finally lost my mind?😁 Thanks for the concern.

Always.
No, that second quote is actually mine, even though his handle is attached to it. Honestly, we’re such a joke. That’s just how we operate: we can’t even let the small stuff slide without picking a fight over it. 😉 ).

Alex Martinez4 said:quote:
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Bryan Martin3 says:
So, our guy Lucin is basically the definition of a high-maintenance, ultra-sensitive consumer, isn't he?
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Well, look... that really just depends on your perspective.

...or maybe we should talk about connection speeds? 😉
So, I called it. 😉
Don't be shy. I've spent just as much time digging through all sorts of random compilations myself... 😉
Actually, I’m the biggest hypocrite here. This whole mess is happening just because my stuff isn't working. But then again, it looks like his time is running out too, doesn't it? 😢 🙂
Frank Howard79 Frank Howard79 Active Member
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#39 ·
Bryan Martin31 said:even if my brain is totally fried from listening to some other genre, which I know really bugs our energetic friend Linda Rodriguez6😉


We really do love each other, don't we?😉

By the way, does anyone happen to have an original copy of "Man Amplified" or "Buried Dreams" by Clock Dua? Those two albums are just so incredibly good...
Bryan Martin31 Bryan Martin31 Active MemberOP
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#40 ·
cody said:It’s all very lovely, really, but when I turn around and look at my collection of original CDs, I shudder at the thought of how many thousands of dollars went down the drain.

brrrr. 😉
Got a space heater sitting next to those shelves, do you? 😉

cody said:So, why not just burn through them once in a while?

It’s all great, but what are we supposed to do about those cheapskates who take offense like an old aunt if you dare suggest they have the wrong chronological order for a band's discography? (Not to mention their lists are incomplete, and side projects just pop up out of nowhere... basically, they don't have 🙂), yet they love lecturing everyone else on the same damn band because they think they're experts.
Even Joe Biden and Cobb can see the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. 😉

cody said:Oh yeah, I absolutely love the smell of an original CD in the morning. 😁

Even you can't help yourself? 😉

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