New fan legislation

Anonymous said:I’ve been digging deep into this sports fan law, and honestly, it’s an absolute disaster. If this passes, it’s the death knell for fans—everyone from the old-school legends who paved the way to those of us active now, and even the kids just getting into the game. This law is going to cost us all dearly, in our own ways. Even if we don't disappear overnight, the constant stream of bans will slowly bleed us dry. And the worst part? Those provisions targeting schools mean we won't even be able to attract the next generation. We'll see small groups vanish first, then the big ones. Just look at the situation with the local hardcore supporters; they're already feeling the squeeze, and that’s before this law even hits the books. Someone higher up claimed we’d be gone in ten years, but they're being way too optimistic. We’ll likely be wiped out within a year of this going live because the current crowd will get crushed by legalities, and no new blood will step up to fill the void. This is the make-or-break moment. We have to show the public—the average Americans—what’s actually happening here. It needs to be something massive, like a huge grassroots movement or a petition against a major corporate takeover. We can't do this alone; we need allies, sympathizers, and regular people to stand with us. Everyone needs to get involved. We need to hit the news stations, go on TV and radio to explain the reality, hand out flyers, put up posters, and organize rallies—but they have to be peaceful, without a single incident. We need lawyers who actually speak "fan language" to represent us, we need to get statements out to the press, and we need a dedicated website. We could take it step by step, but I think the most eye-catching move for the public would be a total boycott. That’s what would really grab the attention of ordinary people and other fans. Imagine the opening weekend—two of the biggest rivalry games of the season. Now, imagine if not a single organized supporter showed up for the first round. You’d have maybe 2,000 people scattered through the whole stadium. Then, for the second round, fans only show up for the second half. By the third round, people just watch the first half in silence and walk out during the second. But—and this is key—we do it without any chaos. No clashes between rival factions like those recent brawls you see in urban arenas, no flares in the stands, no obnoxious behavior. None of that. Because no single group can survive this on their own. We have to unite and defeat the forces trying to destroy us, which, right now, are much stronger than we are.

I wouldn't exactly agree with that... that law has been on the books forever, since 2003 if I'm not mistaken—correct me if I'm wrong, my memory for dates is pretty shaky😁 If we haven't been wiped out by now, we aren't going anywhere in the next year either.😉 The main thing is we don't crash too hard so we don't lose an entire generation in the stands or an entire local chapter back home.😁

And new people come... don't sweat it. Some people are truly impossible to replace, and yeah, when someone from, let's call it the "inner circle," drops out, the loss is huge. But after 20, 30, 40, or 100 days, things level out. Someone else steps up a bit more, someone new rolls up their sleeves, a third person shows up... the Crips have lost members before (I won't get into numbers so I don't mess up some hundred or whatever, I'm bad with that crap😁), but I don't feel like the group is weaker. On the contrary, I feel like we're constantly moving forward.

But is it time for some kind of action, education, and stuff? Yeah... though I think it's primarily time to stop acting like idiots. I've already written about other topics, I don't have the energy to redo everything right now, so I'll keep it brief... I'm not saying fan groups should stop their activities and "duties," but we need to pipe down when it comes to unnecessary nonsense, the chaos, and those stunts where we make ourselves look like clowns and basically help the police and the government. And worst of all... we're proving to everyone else that what the cops and the authorities tell them about us is actually true.😉 I don't think I need to list which actions I mean; we all know where the line is and we can feel when we've crossed it...

Because this "fight" would be a hell of a lot easier if the government and the cops weren't involved. I'd even dare say we'd have 70% of the public on our side in the "clash against the hooligans who prevent families from going to the stadiums."😉

boldhound8 said:I wouldn't exactly agree with that... that law has been on the books forever, since 2003 if I'm not mistaken—correct me if I'm wrong, my memory for dates is pretty shaky😁 If we haven't been wiped out by now, we aren't going anywhere in the next year either.😉 The main thing is we don't crash too hard so we don't lose an entire generation in the stands or an entire local chapter back home.😁

And new people come... don't sweat it. Some people are truly impossible to replace, and yeah, when someone from, let's call it the "inner circle," drops out, the loss is huge. But after 20, 30, 40, or 100 days, things level out. Someone else steps up a bit more, someone new rolls up their sleeves, a third person shows up... the Crips have lost members before (I won't get into numbers so I don't mess up some hundred or whatever, I'm bad with that crap😁), but I don't feel like the group is weaker. On the contrary, I feel like we're constantly moving forward.

But is it time for some kind of action, education, and stuff? Yeah... though I think it's primarily time to stop acting like idiots. I've already written about other topics, I don't have the energy to redo everything right now, so I'll keep it brief... I'm not saying fan groups should stop their activities and "duties," but we need to pipe down when it comes to unnecessary nonsense, the chaos, and those stunts where we make ourselves look like clowns and basically help the police and the government. And worst of all... we're proving to everyone else that what the cops and the authorities tell them about us is actually true.😉 I don't think I need to list which actions I mean; we all know where the line is and we can feel when we've crossed it...

Because this "fight" would be a hell of a lot easier if the government and the cops weren't involved. I'd even dare say we'd have 70% of the public on our side in the "clash against the hooligans who prevent families from going to the stadiums."😉

You really need to see the difference between the 2003 law and the one coming down the pipeline soon... there's a massive gap. This new law carries a ton of weight, and honestly, most fans—yourself included, unfortunately—don't seem to realize how much power it actually holds.

boldhound8 said:I wouldn't exactly agree with that... that law has been on the books forever, since 2003 if I'm not mistaken—correct me if I'm wrong, my memory for dates is pretty shaky😁 If we haven't been wiped out by now, we aren't going anywhere in the next year either.😉 The main thing is we don't crash too hard so we don't lose an entire generation in the stands or an entire local chapter back home.😁

And new people come... don't sweat it. Some people are truly impossible to replace, and yeah, when someone from, let's call it the "inner circle," drops out, the loss is huge. But after 20, 30, 40, or 100 days, things level out. Someone else steps up a bit more, someone new rolls up their sleeves, a third person shows up... the Crips have lost members before (I won't get into numbers so I don't mess up some hundred or whatever, I'm bad with that crap😁), but I don't feel like the group is weaker. On the contrary, I feel like we're constantly moving forward.

But is it time for some kind of action, education, and stuff? Yeah... though I think it's primarily time to stop acting like idiots. I've already written about other topics, I don't have the energy to redo everything right now, so I'll keep it brief... I'm not saying fan groups should stop their activities and "duties," but we need to pipe down when it comes to unnecessary nonsense, the chaos, and those stunts where we make ourselves look like clowns and basically help the police and the government. And worst of all... we're proving to everyone else that what the cops and the authorities tell them about us is actually true.😉 I don't think I need to list which actions I mean; we all know where the line is and we can feel when we've crossed it...

Because this "fight" would be a hell of a lot easier if the government and the cops weren't involved. I'd even dare say we'd have 70% of the public on our side in the "clash against the hooligans who prevent families from going to the stadiums."😉

Of course they aren't going to wipe us out completely, but here’s the kicker: they've basically handed the cops a free pass to arrest people for pretty much anything. And more importantly, looking at how dirty they're playing this, it’s obvious this is a final showdown. What else do you need to see? This is the third time they've tightened the screws in just five years. You don't see any other country in the world where a law gets drastically toughened three times within a single five-year span...

If you know the history, you know that under the original 2003 law, you could be banned, but you didn't necessarily have to report in. I know guys who had bans back then and they went through them without any major drama.

Then 2006 rolled around, and suddenly they started requiring people to check in—mostly "preventative measures" where people get banned without even seeing a judge. Basically, they made some minor tweaks and used them to make life miserable for fans. Now, the restrictions are even harsher. They realized they liked harassing people, and now they have the legal backing to target anyone who ever stepped up to them and carry out pure retaliation. You light up twenty flares, and instead of even trying to prove who lit them, they'll just grab random people from the core of the crowd and charge them with nonsense like wearing masks or shouting "offensive" chants... I don't even want to get into the specifics of how shady it gets...

They played like total cowards, so how the hell are we supposed to step up? Look, the law hasn't passed yet, but it's a done deal by the end of the year.

Anonymous said:You really need to see the difference between the 2003 law and the one coming down the pipeline soon... there's a massive gap. This new law carries a ton of weight, and honestly, most fans—yourself included, unfortunately—don't seem to realize how much power it actually holds.

Anonymous said:Of course they aren't going to wipe us out completely, but here’s the kicker: they've basically handed the cops a free pass to arrest people for pretty much anything. And more importantly, looking at how dirty they're playing this, it’s obvious this is a final showdown. What else do you need to see? This is the third time they've tightened the screws in just five years. You don't see any other country in the world where a law gets drastically toughened three times within a single five-year span...

If you know the history, you know that under the original 2003 law, you could be banned, but you didn't necessarily have to report in. I know guys who had bans back then and they went through them without any major drama.

Then 2006 rolled around, and suddenly they started requiring people to check in—mostly "preventative measures" where people get banned without even seeing a judge. Basically, they made some minor tweaks and used them to make life miserable for fans. Now, the restrictions are even harsher. They realized they liked harassing people, and now they have the legal backing to target anyone who ever stepped up to them and carry out pure retaliation. You light up twenty flares, and instead of even trying to prove who lit them, they'll just grab random people from the core of the crowd and charge them with nonsense like wearing masks or shouting "offensive" chants... I don't even want to get into the specifics of how shady it gets...

Look, 2003 was rough, sure, but honestly? There’s barely any difference between then and how things look right now in 2006. I highly doubt they're going to wipe us off the face of the earth just like that, but let's be real—we are in deep trouble. We were in a bad spot back in 2003, and since then, everything has just gone downhill from there. And yeah, fine, it's our own damn fault too. The cops have become five times smarter, way better equipped, and ten times more powerful, while we? Most of us are still stuck using that same old "run headfirst into a brick wall" strategy. Total amateur hour.

Look, let’s talk about this absolute circus with the flares and the arrests. It’s getting ridiculous. You’ve got the cops out there acting like they’re in some high-stakes action movie, hauling people off just because things got a little loud and bright in the stands. Honestly? It’s a joke. The whole situation with the lighting up of flares and then immediately seeing everyone get detained is just nonsense. We’re talking about fans who live for the atmosphere, and now we have these overzealous authorities trying to shut down the energy. They want to crack down on everything under the guise of "safety," but it feels more like they're just looking for any excuse to flex their muscles. It's frustrating as hell. You go to the game to support your team, feel that rush, see the smoke, and suddenly you're being treated like a criminal. Total overkill. It’s pathetic, really. I don't even know where to start with this absolute mess. It’s just one thing after another, isn't it? Everything is falling apart and nobody seems to give a damn. Just pure, unadulterated chaos. Total disaster.It’s the exact same bullshit even today, unfortunately. I still have nightmares about the Rose Bowl and how the cops would line up right at the exit just to beat you for no reason and pull you aside for no damn reason... Luckily, I never got singled out back then, but I know people who did on other occasions. Jebiga, I don't exactly have nine lives like a cat.🙂
Look, man, they’ve been pulling this crap for ages and getting away with it every single time. I know exactly how this looks from the inside—I’ve seen the whole damn thing play out firsthand. I might be exaggerating just a little bit here, but it basically goes down like this...
So they’re hauling him off after the game, and for what? Seriously? You're claiming I tossed a flare? I didn't touch a damn thing! You're the one who threw it, man!
You walk into the station, tell them exactly what you’ve got on you, and guess what? Nobody asks for proof, nobody investigates—they just lock you up overnight waiting for a court date. Then you show up to court the next morning and it’s the same old song and dance. It’s your word against theirs. Pandur says you’re a straight shooter, you say they’re lying through their teeth, and there isn't a shred of evidence either way. But does that stop them from convicting you? Hell no. You get slapped with a year sentence, and then you try to appeal because you actually think you can change something. Big mistake. That's when that ridiculous legal loophole kicks in: since the verdict isn't "final" yet, the ban doesn't technically apply, but if you dare to appeal, they just hit you with "precautionary measures"—which is just the same crap in a different package. Then, after eleven months of hell, you finally get a letter from the Viking office in Washington, D.C., confirming you're guilty. That's when it hits you: you weren't banned for a year; you were effectively banned for twenty-three months. Absolute genius, right? Jebiga.🙂

I already commented on this half an hour ago... honestly, I doubt this will do anything good, but then again, we've dealt with plenty of this garbage before. So, I don't think this change is a total disaster—let's be real, it's not exactly great either... Basically, I have no clue what smart thing I could even say about all this bullshit anymore.

"Our goal is to create a stadium atmosphere where entire families can show up without feeling any fear," said Đurđa Adlešić. Under the proposed legislation, the sports federation will implement educational programs for younger fans, aiming to teach future supporters the vital difference between being a passionate fan and just acting like a hooligan. Security guards and stewards will be required to hold special licenses, while organizers, as well as owners and operators of sports facilities, will face additional responsibilities. Đurđa Adlešić also highlighted that ticket counters will be installed at stadiums, and venues will need to be upgraded to ensure they are safer and more comfortable for everyone. Strict measures will also target fans known for violence at games, who will be split into two distinct categories. Courts will be granted the power to issue bans to those who have committed more serious offenses.

Hooligans registered for major offenses will be required to check in at a police station before, during, and after the game. If necessary, travel bans for away games will be enforced, as police will have the authority to seize passports based on prior criminal records. Perhaps the biggest change is that, in addition to the referees, the police will now have the right to call off a match if violence breaks out. Prime Minister Ivo Sanders also addressed a common chant often heard on soccer pitches. "The slogan 'For the Homeland, Ready!' is not patriotic. People were killed under that slogan. In America, we want to foster a spirit of cooperation and tolerance. We aren't cheering based on historical circumstances that led to the deaths of thousands of innocent people in Nazi Germany," Sanders stated.

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So, Đurđa Adlešić is on TV claiming this isn't actually a Sports Fan Act, just something aimed at hooligans 🤣

I mean, I didn't realize fans weren't allowed to grab a beer or something 🤣

And she’s still talking nonsense... saying those 2 million dollars in fines could have been used for all sorts of improvements in our domestic soccer, blah blah blah. Plus, she’s acting like it's the taxpayers' money. I don't get it—how is that "our" money when teams like Atlanta United are the ones paying the fines? 🤷

Do we actually give a damn about the future of our supporters?
The league resumes on February 22nd, and right after a two-month hiatus, we’ve got El Clásico. Everyone is hyped up—tickets are going to vanish within hours once they hit the market. Atlanta United is sitting just one point behind the leaders; they could take first place after years of waiting... plus, we're looking at the biggest media spotlight we've seen in ages...

Honestly, I’d be gutted (because I’m already wired for this), but is it worth sacrificing a high-voltage match like this—one that promises massive energy both on the pitch and in the stands after such a long break—for the sake of our future? For the supporter movement as a whole?!

If we want to actually achieve something, if we want our voices to carry weight in the media and ensure people finally hear our side of the story, then there's only one way: a boycott. An empty North Stand, an empty South Stand—a stadium stripped of its soul and atmosphere is the only way to draw attention to that Sports Fan Act...
This is our shot—a total demonstration by everyone involved. No slogans, no silent protests, just a straight-up boycott or walking out together... because if we blow this chance and let this level of media attention slip through our fingers... well, who knows when or where we'll get another one, my friends...

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I've given this some thought too. I agree that we could pull the most attention toward the issues with this new Sports Fan Act during the big rivalry game. You'd have tons of people at the stadium who don't usually care about politics suddenly wondering what's going on—not just the Ultras or the BBB, but everyone. Even the folks watching on TV would find it weird if things felt off...
The thing is, trying to coordinate something like that for a derby is tough. Especially this one, since Atlanta United finally has a real shot at taking first place. It’d be nearly impossible to organize a half-boycott or get people to stop cheering or walk out mid-match...

That’s it!

In my view, this is the perfect match to boycott... It’ll likely leave a mark because the vibe will be completely different than what we've seen in recent years—like you mentioned, there’s going to be a massive amount of tension and all that.

But as far as leaving the North and South stands empty that day? I am absolutely for it.
But strictly empty—if some random hooligans end up filling the North instead, then the whole point is lost!

shadowgardener10 said:I've given this some thought too. I agree that we could pull the most attention toward the issues with this new Sports Fan Act during the big rivalry game. You'd have tons of people at the stadium who don't usually care about politics suddenly wondering what's going on—not just the Ultras or the BBB, but everyone. Even the folks watching on TV would find it weird if things felt off...
The thing is, trying to coordinate something like that for a derby is tough. Especially this one, since Atlanta United finally has a real shot at taking first place. It’d be nearly impossible to organize a half-boycott or get people to stop cheering or walk out mid-match...

Exactly. I honestly don't see any realistic way to make that happen.

And that’s exactly where the issue lies—they’ve been sitting at the top for days now, just itching for a fight, totally wired 😁. It’s going to be just like when we faced Werder—the whole city was absolutely electric back then. On the flip side, look at us: we’re defending that top spot, and honestly, we’ve finally seen some decent competition coming from the North Side of Dodger Stadium lately (no offense intended), but aside from those two months of dead air, we are starving—for the football, for the atmosphere, for the derby itself...

But let’s be real, everyone has to make a sacrifice eventually... and for our supporters in this situation, the only move is a boycott. Nothing else works...

The real question is, do we actually have the drive, the passion, and the actual know-how to flip this media narrative in our favor? And I mean, I mean *positively* turning it to our advantage
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Yeah... I am 100% behind a boycott, but honestly, we should be doing this starting with Matchday 1. If we wait until that Sports Fan Act actually kicks in, it’ll already be too late. We need to hit them hard right away with matchups like Atlanta United vs. D.C. United or even that Rijecan vs. Indianapolis game. Imagine having the four biggest supporter groups all playing in the same weekend, with the Tornada, Ultras, WS, and everyone else joining the boycott. We need to strike from the jump, not two months down the line. Actually, doing it now makes even more sense because attendance is already low. If we fans stay home, there might only be 500 people at the stadium. But if we wait and pull this during a massive derby in two months—especially if the standings are super tight—it won't have the same impact. Even without us, a high-stakes game would still draw 7,000 or 8,000 people. We need to make sure they feel our absence when it matters most.

shadowgardener10 said:I've given this some thought too. I agree that we could pull the most attention toward the issues with this new Sports Fan Act during the big rivalry game. You'd have tons of people at the stadium who don't usually care about politics suddenly wondering what's going on—not just the Ultras or the BBB, but everyone. Even the folks watching on TV would find it weird if things felt off...
The thing is, trying to coordinate something like that for a derby is tough. Especially this one, since Atlanta United finally has a real shot at taking first place. It’d be nearly impossible to organize a half-boycott or get people to stop cheering or walk out mid-match...

That is exactly why I wrote that a boycott shouldn't happen right at the start of the season. What I was aiming at—silence in the stands for the whole match, even during goals—would be relatively easy for the boys on the south side to execute. But the reality is the north stand will be packed with that many people, and with that specific crowd makeup, I'm not sure an action like that would work. Maybe regarding cheering, or lack thereof, but in the case of a potential goal?? I doubt it..

Regarding that recent circus in Zadar 👎 totally unnecessary. We are going to bury ourselves, or more accurately, our own stupidity will bury us. But whatever, if nothing else, at least the local fans from Sukosan or Otok Vir can brag about being at the stadium in damn Zadar and how crazy and unforgettable it was. And their friends from Tornado will probably spend some time talking about what kind of atmosphere they created and how many showed up, while ignoring the fact that what they did during these key moments caused more damage than good. It's pathetic. 🙂

Adam Williams2 said:So, Đurđa Adlešić is on TV claiming this isn't actually a Sports Fan Act, just something aimed at hooligans 🤣

I mean, I didn't realize fans weren't allowed to grab a beer or something 🤣

And she’s still talking nonsense... saying those 2 million dollars in fines could have been used for all sorts of improvements in our domestic soccer, blah blah blah. Plus, she’s acting like it's the taxpayers' money. I don't get it—how is that "our" money when teams like Atlanta United are the ones paying the fines? 🤷

March Law 98 is basically dead in the water. 😁 Jebiga, laws just end up canceling each other out. A revolution always eats its own, right? 😁

Kimberly Alvarez7, why on earth are you getting all worked up over someone else's business? Seriously, where was your little crew last Saturday? If you didn't show up, then don't even start, because there were a handful of guys from the area down at Fenway Park yesterday, so just let the locals have their fun for once!👍

I think the perfect play here is to pack the stadiums for the first two rounds, and then hit them with a full-blown boycott. That’s how you really drive the point home—by showing them the massive difference between a stadium buzzing with fans and one that’s dead silent. While we're boycotting, we need to organize stuff that actually matters: epic exhibition matches featuring club legends, huge charity concerts, and events that pull even bigger crowds than the regular league games.
One thing I can't wrap my head around. How is it even possible that Adlesic sits there on TV today acting all surprised, claiming he's shocked that fan groups haven't submitted any proposals regarding the new Sports Fan Act?

I think you guys are talking absolute nonsense.🙂 Look, I get it, we all want the same thing, but let's stop wasting our breath on SF bullshit because honestly, spinning our wheels on that crap is a total waste of time. We should be talking about what actually works.

First off, let’s get real: no single group can pull off filling an empty stadium by itself during some random mid-week game against Indianapolis... Actually, forget just the stadium, forget even just one section, dammit...

And you people really think boycotting El Clásico would work? A match where 60,000 people would show up if Dodger Stadium could actually hold 60,000? Jebiga, even if the entire Ultras crew and every single local chapter stayed home, the stands would still be packed. Hell, people might even thank us for staying away because there’d be a few thousand extra tickets left over... Would there be cheering? Real atmosphere? No. But there’d be some half-assed noise and everyone would act like everything is fine... The wolves get fed while the sheep just get counted.😉

What would we actually achieve? Absolutely nothing.
What kind of message would it send? Zero.
Basically, when you actually stop and think about it, you'd probably just end up causing a massive backfire...

You've got it wrong; groups need to be present in the stands..

Kimberly Alvarez7 said:You've got it wrong; groups need to be present in the stands..

I'm not "tripping" about anything, the whole point is everyone's talking about a boycott...
And what you're bringing up now is just an even bigger load of crap than the boycott itself. Use your head, for God's sake—talk about actually executing some kind of plan instead of just typing out what should happen.