CheckEmoji Community · the emoji forum
🏠 Home 🆕 What's new ❓ Unanswered 🔥 Popular 📡 RSS Members 👥 0 online log in · register
Home › Sports › Soccer › Fans › New fan legislation

New fan legislation

Started by Anonymous · · 👁 32 views · 426 replies

📡 Subscribe to replies

Participants Ablueridge32Carol Wright9rapidbison30Noah Booth3analogsailor16Adam Morrisshadowdrifter6silentsurfer19boldtiger7Nicole Jackson3Kyle Barnesbriskbear51Charles Moore78Zachary Anderson49hollowbear27Terry Lee3shadowgardener10Edward Hernandez60amberfox6rustypantherDaniel Carter9Kimberly Alvarez7shadowranger522 …
feralpilot912 feralpilot912 Newcomer
6 messages
joined May 2009
#321 ·
I’m done responding to anyone or anything. I just realized I’ve been flagged for trolling.

In all my years on this forum, I’ve never received a single warning, and now suddenly, here we are. It seems when it comes to fighting a group of ten against one, you don't stand a chance. So, apparently, I’m "trolling"—while the people who tell me to go screw myself, call me an idiot, or question my patriotism are considered perfectly fine and completely aligned with the party line...

I ended up with a yellow card while half the subforum could have easily dodged a whole string of sanctions.

Here is a message from the "normal" world, regardless of how much you hate it: your fight is lost before it even begins if you keep handing out troll warnings just because I actually want to have a conversation.

Over and out.
Noah Lee7 Noah Lee7 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Jan 2009
#322 ·
Look, man, just drop it... ten different people have thrown questions at you (myself included), using that "legal jargon" you love so much, and how many times have you actually given a straight answer? Zero. None. Once it became crystal clear that you were dead wrong, you just took offense and shut down. And honestly? You deserved it. So just back off already and let it go.
Patrick Clark21 Patrick Clark21 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Feb 2022
#323 ·
Get lost and leave it at that. ☕
Daniel Carter9 Daniel Carter9 Member
16 messages
joined Jul 2009
#324 ·
The fan law has entered an emergency procedure.

It should be finalized within the next few days; George W. Bush says it needs to be ready before the season kicks off.☕
Noah Lee7 Noah Lee7 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Jan 2009
#325 ·
zacko1;18458801 said:Come on, just realize that this demographic profile, much like feralpilot912, makes up a significant portion of the audience (non-fans).]
Look, zacko1, I’m not trying to be aggressive here, but what audience are we even talking about? Where is this supposed crowd? This tiny handful of people following the domestic soccer league consists entirely of die-hard fans; unfortunately, there simply is no "audience." He isn't part of some larger demographic or anything—he was just trying to act like the smartest guy in the room. But once he realized that among this "hooligan mob," there are plenty of people capable of dismantling his arguments with actual legal logic and burying him in every sense of the word, the gentleman took offense and decided to stop writing. He's essentially sulking because he ran out of things to say, and frankly, he hasn't actually contributed anything substantial. Besides, this thread is intended for discussing specific proposals regarding the fan law. As soon as someone starts acting like a know-it-all about things that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, those posts should be deleted. They serve no purpose other than dragging out endless arguments and petty squabbles centered around them. Just look at this: that clown shows up, writes ten lines of absolute nonsense, and within five hours, you've ended up with two new pages of useless filler...
rapidmaker54 rapidmaker54 Member
17 messages
joined Dec 2008
#326 ·
- We need this fan law passed immediately since the soccer season kicks off in about twenty days, and we have to prevent chaos at the stadiums. If there are any concerns regarding human rights violations, I suggest we address them through the proper channels later for potential amendments - said George W. Bush.

this is exactly how our country operates....
basically, if you complain, I'll screw you over, but if I say "my bad," then I'll just screw you over even harder...
Kimberly Alvarez7 Kimberly Alvarez7 Member
27 messages
joined Dec 2008
#327 ·
rapidmaker54 said:- We need this fan law passed immediately since the soccer season kicks off in about twenty days, and we have to prevent chaos at the stadiums. If there are any concerns regarding human rights violations, I suggest we address them through the proper channels later for potential amendments - said George W. Bush.

this is exactly how our country operates....
basically, if you complain, I'll screw you over, but if I say "my bad," then I'll just screw you over even harder...

hit the nail on the head. short and sweet. those few words perfectly describe the politics of this nation in many ways, and it didn't just start yesterday.
silentsurfer19 silentsurfer19 Member
23 messages
joined Aug 2010
#328 ·
I hope George W. Bush rots in hell, that shameless piece of trash.
We seriously need to just burn everything down and start from scratch. Like, pull a coup d'état in Greece or something...
rapidmaker54 rapidmaker54 Member
17 messages
joined Dec 2008
#329 ·
Vlad, check your inbox!
January 27, 2009

A coalition of fans gathered at the European Parliament to make one thing clear: we aren't just a bunch of hooligans. We are intelligent people capable of drafting both legal arguments and plain-English critiques. Our goal isn't to whine to the press about police brutality or how this new fan law is designed to crush us; rather, we want to demonstrate that we won't be treated like lab rats or used as pawns to open up new markets for those looking to exploit the European Union.

We presented the media and the public with the most controversial points—those that infringe upon the rights of both hardcore supporters and casual spectators—as well as specific areas where we are demanding stricter regulations regarding convicted individuals. That is the core of our argument: the police shouldn't have the authority to unilaterally decide who is a "hooligan" and who isn't; that is a judgment for the judicial system based on actual convictions. We aren't asking for permission to riot or destroy property—that’s already illegal and we don't want it—we are demanding that the law itself remains constitutional. All the specifics are in the documentation we provided to the press. Honestly, I think first-year law students could draft a more coherent piece of legislation than this.

The response from Times Square didn't take long, though. That wannabe "Iron Lady" showed her true colors by claiming they never even received our email proposals. It's funny, because we had no trouble reaching them via that same email when they were hosting those cozy meetings with the Administration over milk and cookies. Now, they’re showing their arrogance by pushing through a law that is unique in all of Europe for its lack of professional expertise. The Administration has fast-tracked this bill through Congress, leading that "Tin Lady" to suggest we'll just sit down again and somehow end up with a "good" law. Based on the latest word from the square under the disputed crest, there is no turning back; with this emergency procedure, the vote is 99% a done deal.

That’s when "American democracy" kicks in, where party discipline reigns supreme and votes are traded like commodities. To be fair, we've actually heard positive feedback on our criticisms from both sides of the aisle; both the "left" and the "right" agree that certain provisions are shocking. Of course, you actually have to read those ten pages to see why. And don't even get me started on the support we have from civil liberties experts and relevant professionals. They were right there at those meetings, sitting across from the Administration, warning them about these problematic articles.

A huge chunk of this law targets clubs and organizers, but nobody seems to care about that part since it’s been ignored until now, and they basically have a year to do absolutely nothing. Furthermore, the law doesn't even specify which sports or levels of competition it actually applies to.

Are minor league soccer teams, basketball players, or handball teams going to be forced to buy ticket scanners, numbered seats, and extra security? If my local minor league soccer team makes it deep into the Cup, will someone swoop into our small town just to stop the people from celebrating? Will anyone actually storm the VIP box to confront Jerry Maguire, Mark, or some politician, snatch a glass of wine out of their hand, slap them, and then have them arrested only to be released two hours after the game?
Will the police shut down a Real Madrid vs. Barcelona match, or a national team game, just because a few thousand counterfeit tickets were floating around?

Will the police seize the passports of paid assassins, drug dealers, pedophiles, or crooked doctors?

No. But the fan movement isn't going anywhere either!!

Attached is the proof that the email was indeed sent to our dear friend Vlad.
A Anonymous VeteranOP
3.6K messages
joined May 2005
#330 ·
Great read over on the official website, and here’s the proof that we didn't just sit around—we actually sent our proposal for George's law. 😉

It looks like that guy at the University got an A+ in Lying and Construction.
Benjamin Smith21 Benjamin Smith21 Member
21 messages
joined Dec 2008
#331 ·
Noah Lee7 said:No hard feelings Zacko, but what crowds are we even talking about here? Where is this crowd supposed to be? This tiny handful of people following the local minor league soccer team are just fans; unfortunately, there isn't an actual crowd to speak of... and he isn't even part of any specific group or anything. He was just trying to act smart, but once he realized that among the "hooligan scum" there are plenty of people who can dismantle him with logic and legal arguments from every angle, the gentleman got offended and decided to stop writing... mostly because he ran out of things to say. And honestly, he didn't even write anything substantial to begin with... besides, this thread is meant for discussing agreements and suggestions regarding the fan law, and as soon as someone starts acting like a know-it-all about stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with it, those posts should just be deleted. It only drags out the debate and creates unnecessary fighting... just look at this, that night owl shows up and writes ten lines of nonsense, and five hours later you've got two whole new pages of useless filler...

I'd say drop the quotes around "hooligan scum," because based on his vocabulary and the way he was responded to, that's exactly what he proved himself to be. He isn't a fan, but he represents the kind of person you find by the hundreds of thousands all over America. We need to explain the fan law to people like him without stooping to their level by using insults. If we do that, we won't prove anything; all we'll do is reinforce their belief that fans are just some social issue that needs to be banned. Please, let's stop pushing this tired narrative, for God's sake!
Kimberly Alvarez7 Kimberly Alvarez7 Member
27 messages
joined Dec 2008
#332 ·
spitka, we're screwed if George's law is being read on this forum. 🤣 👋

p.s. even in times as tough as these, a little bit of nonsense doesn't hurt..😵
Kimberly Alvarez7 Kimberly Alvarez7 Member
27 messages
joined Dec 2008
#333 ·
Damn, I have to...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-HqKSitXaE
electricmarlin18 electricmarlin18 Newcomer
3 messages
joined May 2010
#334 ·
If anyone is whining about these fan regulations, they’re clearly just thugs masquerading as decent supporters. Honestly, you people—it’s always "everyone is against you." You are never at fault for anything. Heaven forbid we implement some Margaret Thatcher-style anti-hooligan laws with actual teeth (which, thank God, actually work).

Think back to when chairs were being hurled in Auxerre, when a small group of Werder attackers hit a fast-food joint in Washington, D.C., or when riots broke out in the squares of Milan, Prague, and the Dnieper—or even that time in Rome when a few fans swiped a tracksuit from a shop and the whole lot ended up behind bars...............
Don't give me that crap about how it was "just a handful" or maybe ten idiots. Because the ones fighting hardest against this law are precisely the scum whose only life achievement will be cracking skulls, setting chairs on fire, and similar nonsense. Now, they’ve found an excuse as to why not this law is going to destroy fan culture and wipe out all supporters. If this law somehow fails to pass, and the possibility of it taking effect resurfaces—something you won't like nearly as much—suddenly you’ll have stomach issues because of the "new regulations"?

And that balding clown—acting as some supposed representative for the BBB—is truly lucky that an idiot like him gets airtime on national TV.
Kimberly Alvarez7 Kimberly Alvarez7 Member
27 messages
joined Dec 2008
#335 ·
electricmarlin18 said:If anyone is whining about these fan regulations, they’re clearly just thugs masquerading as decent supporters. Honestly, you people—it’s always "everyone is against you." You are never at fault for anything. Heaven forbid we implement some Margaret Thatcher-style anti-hooligan laws with actual teeth (which, thank God, actually work).

Think back to when chairs were being hurled in Auxerre, when a small group of Werder attackers hit a fast-food joint in Washington, D.C., or when riots broke out in the squares of Milan, Prague, and the Dnieper—or even that time in Rome when a few fans swiped a tracksuit from a shop and the whole lot ended up behind bars...............
Don't give me that crap about how it was "just a handful" or maybe ten idiots. Because the ones fighting hardest against this law are precisely the scum whose only life achievement will be cracking skulls, setting chairs on fire, and similar nonsense. Now, they’ve found an excuse as to why not this law is going to destroy fan culture and wipe out all supporters. If this law somehow fails to pass, and the possibility of it taking effect resurfaces—something you won't like nearly as much—suddenly you’ll have stomach issues because of the "new regulations"?

And that balding clown—acting as some supposed representative for the BBB—is truly lucky that an idiot like him gets airtime on national TV.

Bald guy in a sweater... 🙏 🤣 😂

I’m done. This is serious; we could all be mourning soon.

By the way, regarding the fan regulations: this goes deeper than just a mess. It's about suppressing speech and movement, which violates fundamental human rights.
The reason? So certain people can brag about trapping millions of viewers in front of their screens just to line their own pockets. It's happening because some people can't handle being called out at the stadium, and they need to protect their cushy jobs. It's happening because the country is run by incompetent leadership that constantly tests ridiculous new laws on Americans like they're lab rats. They're using this legislation to distract from the real issues. There are plenty more reasons. Most importantly, this law isn't based on common sense, and when they enforce it, a lot of innocent people are going to get screwed regardless of whether they're hooligans or not. Get it?😠
shadowgardener10 shadowgardener10 Member
19 messages
joined Jan 2011
#336 ·
You're the only hooligan here. You clearly lack basic manners, and since you can't make a real point, you just resort to insults... 👍

Have you even bothered to read the proposed fan regulations? Or do you even attend games often enough to know what's happening?

The real issue with this law is how it targets everything under the sun. It's not just about actual violence; they're going after people for minor things like having a couple of beers before kickoff. If you get caught with a flare, you're looking at a stadium ban and a requirement to check in with the police every single weekend. Plus, if you commit a serious offense, your data stays on file for ten years—even if it was just for something as trivial as drinking a beer...

They're also cracking down on wearing hats and scarves to hide faces. Any sane person can see how much room there is for police discretion here. How is an officer supposed to tell if someone is masking their identity or just wearing a beanie and a scarf because it’s freezing or the smoke from the flares is getting in their eyes? Under these rules, anyone can be detained because "masking" is technically illegal now...

Bottom line: the law is full of loopholes. It won't stop the actual thugs or the violent types who live for chaos; they'll just move their nonsense away from the stadium to somewhere else...

Maybe if you actually had to deal with this stuff firsthand, you'd get where I'm coming from...
Carol Wright9 Carol Wright9 Member
21 messages
joined Jun 2023
#337 ·
Why bother arguing with idiots?
Benjamin Smith21 Benjamin Smith21 Member
21 messages
joined Dec 2008
#338 ·
electricmarlin18 said:If anyone is whining about these fan regulations, they’re clearly just thugs masquerading as decent supporters. Honestly, you people—it’s always "everyone is against you." You are never at fault for anything. Heaven forbid we implement some Margaret Thatcher-style anti-hooligan laws with actual teeth (which, thank God, actually work).

Think back to when chairs were being hurled in Auxerre, when a small group of Werder attackers hit a fast-food joint in Washington, D.C., or when riots broke out in the squares of Milan, Prague, and the Dnieper—or even that time in Rome when a few fans swiped a tracksuit from a shop and the whole lot ended up behind bars...............
Don't give me that crap about how it was "just a handful" or maybe ten idiots. Because the ones fighting hardest against this law are precisely the scum whose only life achievement will be cracking skulls, setting chairs on fire, and similar nonsense. Now, they’ve found an excuse as to why not this law is going to destroy fan culture and wipe out all supporters. If this law somehow fails to pass, and the possibility of it taking effect resurfaces—something you won't like nearly as much—suddenly you’ll have stomach issues because of the "new regulations"?

And that balding clown—acting as some supposed representative for the BBB—is truly lucky that an idiot like him gets airtime on national TV.

In an effort to stay above your level of communication, I suggest you actually read the objections to the law. If you don't have them, shoot me a PM and I'll gladly send them over. Study them the way we did, and then try to offer a constructive opinion on which specific part of our objections you disagree with. Coming here, listing riots from ten years ago and making up lies just to provoke people by insulting them... believe me, you're only achieving one thing: proving your own level of culture is lower than that "trash" you're talking about. It's obvious you don't even care why people are protesting; you just showed up to spit on fans based on your own personal vendettas without even bothering to read the actual reasons for the outcry.
Carol Wright9 Carol Wright9 Member
21 messages
joined Jun 2023
#339 ·
The Fan Law treats fans like terrorists

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Despite being a constitutional expert, Dr. Branko Smerdel passionately argued before the Constitutional Committee that the proposed sports riot prevention law—the so-called Đurđin law—violates fundamental human and constitutional rights. Nevertheless, the committee, chaired by Vladimir Šeks, voted unanimously to move the proposal forward into the Congressional legislative process.
- "The proposed law grants the police far too much authority," noted Dr. Branko Smerdel. "If we are moving toward total repression, where are the provisions protecting citizens' rights against abuse or the accountability for violating those rules? It violates the constitutional right to freedom of movement. For instance, under Article 7, an individual heading to a sporting event could be detained if their behavior causes suspicion. This means officers could potentially detain me and my friend while we're walking toward the Dinamo stadium at Maksimir, even if we were actually just on our way to the zoo and looking a bit disheveled after having a few drinks. That is simply unacceptable." Dr. Branko Smerdel, who doesn't consider himself an aggressive hooligan, expressed feeling personally threatened by this legislation.

- "This deviates from the presumption of innocence," he continued. "There are some US Senators who believe terrorists don't have human rights, and even they wouldn't have been able to pass something like this there. Fans have human rights, too. I am particularly concerned that there isn't a system in place to oversee police conduct. I believe the courts should supervise the police, who in turn should supervise the volunteer stewards," suggested Dr. Branko Smerdel.

However, when the representative from the Department of Homeland Security pointed out that in America there are "only 284 fans who cause riots regardless of the type of sporting event," and that such unrest requires urgent repression, the committee members unanimously decided that the law—regardless of how much it might inconvenience gentlemen who accidentally enjoy a drink during a game—should proceed to Congress.
A Anonymous VeteranOP
3.6K messages
joined May 2005
#340 ·
electricmarlin18 said:If anyone is whining about these fan regulations, they’re clearly just thugs masquerading as decent supporters. Honestly, you people—it’s always "everyone is against you." You are never at fault for anything. Heaven forbid we implement some Margaret Thatcher-style anti-hooligan laws with actual teeth (which, thank God, actually work).

Think back to when chairs were being hurled in Auxerre, when a small group of Werder attackers hit a fast-food joint in Washington, D.C., or when riots broke out in the squares of Milan, Prague, and the Dnieper—or even that time in Rome when a few fans swiped a tracksuit from a shop and the whole lot ended up behind bars...............
Don't give me that crap about how it was "just a handful" or maybe ten idiots. Because the ones fighting hardest against this law are precisely the scum whose only life achievement will be cracking skulls, setting chairs on fire, and similar nonsense. Now, they’ve found an excuse as to why not this law is going to destroy fan culture and wipe out all supporters. If this law somehow fails to pass, and the possibility of it taking effect resurfaces—something you won't like nearly as much—suddenly you’ll have stomach issues because of the "new regulations"?

And that balding clown—acting as some supposed representative for the BBB—is truly lucky that an idiot like him gets airtime on national TV.

Look, buddy, I get it, childhood trauma is tough, but you’re taking it way too far. It's obvious you don't know anything about this topic, so your trolling nonsense should just be ignored.

Behold, the new leader of the American hooligan scene—Dr. Branko Smerdel, constitutional law expert:
http://www.javno.com/hr/america/clanak.php?id=228582

You must log in or register to reply here.

Log in Register

🔗 Similar threads