9/11 Conspiracy

Chloe Nguyen said:I am certainly not disputing the loss of life or the health issues caused by the dust. It is a well-established fact that fine particulate matter is devastating to lung health. And, given how fundamentally broken the American healthcare system is, I suppose it isn't particularly surprising to me that all those people were simply left to fend for themselves.

As for the rest of it—this notion you hold that Americans destroyed the towers themselves and somehow managed to get away with it... well, I guess it’s all just a bunch of tree-hugging hippie crap. I have watched several documentaries on the subject, and frankly, none of them were remotely convincing.

The fine dust itself isn't even the main issue; it's the asbestos mixed in with it. If you had actually sat down and watched the documentaries I recommended, you would have known that fact, but clearly, you haven't.

Your argument is essentially on par with denying the fundamental laws of physics. But hey, that's your claim, and it's your prerogative.

Let's stop the bullying and start talking to each other like adults.

You wanted to bring up Building 7? Fine. Tell me then: how does a building just collapse like that without being hit by a plane?
Let's have a real discussion and see where we land. (I hope you aren't too intimidated to keep talking.)

Thanks

Brian Carter13 said:The fine dust itself isn't even the main issue; it's the asbestos mixed in with it. If you had actually sat down and watched the documentaries I recommended, you would have known that fact, but clearly, you haven't.

Your argument is essentially on par with denying the fundamental laws of physics. But hey, that's your claim, and it's your prerogative.

Let's stop the bullying and start talking to each other like adults.

You wanted to bring up Building 7? Fine. Tell me then: how does a building just collapse like that without being hit by a plane?
Let's have a real discussion and see where we land. (I hope you aren't too intimidated to keep talking.)

Thanks

It doesn't really occur to me why one would want to debate this on a film forum, much less dive into technical expertise concerning asbestos or asbestosis and how that supposedly points toward a conspiracy...

I am merely suggesting that none of those documentaries have actually convinced me. I suppose I view them strictly as mere theory, whereas you seem to regard them as absolute truth. There isn't much more to be said about it, I guess.

Chloe Nguyen said:It doesn't really occur to me why one would want to debate this on a film forum, much less dive into technical expertise concerning asbestos or asbestosis and how that supposedly points toward a conspiracy...

I am merely suggesting that none of those documentaries have actually convinced me. I suppose I view them strictly as mere theory, whereas you seem to regard them as absolute truth. There isn't much more to be said about it, I guess.

Well, we finally reached our destination this evening, which comes as absolutely no surprise at all.
Well done; you truly deserve every bit of credit for all the hard work you've put in.

The films I recommended aren't just collections of random theories; they present actual evidence backed by globally recognized experts. We’re talking about professionals ranging from structural architects and engineers to physicists and controlled demolition specialists. If you look at all that data and still dismiss it as mere speculation, then we’re looking at this from two completely different perspectives.

Chloe Nguyen said:It doesn't really occur to me why one would want to debate this on a film forum, much less dive into technical expertise concerning asbestos or asbestosis and how that supposedly points toward a conspiracy...

I am merely suggesting that none of those documentaries have actually convinced me. I suppose I view them strictly as mere theory, whereas you seem to regard them as absolute truth. There isn't much more to be said about it, I guess.

Respect. 👍 Any further talk regarding the causes behind the World Trade Center collapse in this thread will be deleted. If you want to discuss documentary filmmaking techniques or how they're used—by all means, go ahead. Everyone else—back off.

Honestly, I don't even get why this topic is on this forum, but fine, let's roll with it.

Could you please move this thread to the appropriate section? I really have no desire to debate this specific topic in a subforum dedicated to Batman, Rambo, Indiana Jones, Transformers, Star Wars, and all that other high-budget blockbuster junk.

If you happen to be a moderator,

Brian Carter13 said:Could you please move this thread to the appropriate section? I really have no desire to debate this specific topic in a subforum dedicated to Batman, Rambo, Indiana Jones, Transformers, Star Wars, and all that other high-budget blockbuster junk.

If you happen to be a moderator,

It stays right here—provided we're talking about documentaries. If you want to peddle facts or talk about 9/11 Conspiracy theories, go find the specific threads elsewhere on the forum. Check here or here.

The 9/11 Investigation -

An incredible documentary—packed with actual facts and hard evidence

or maybe

just another movie pushing fake 9/11 Conspiracy theories

I don't know, I’m just feeling really skeptical about all of this... I’ve never been much of a conspiracy theorist, but something about what happened here just feels off... I couldn't even finish watching the whole thing, honestly 🙂

It’s just total nonsense, honestly. These conspiracy theories are nothing more than typical Michael Moore type stupidity.

Did that documentary include anyone actually attempting to explain the official versions of the tower collapses and the Pentagon strike—alongside the usual 9/11 Conspiracy theories?

The funniest part about this whole thing—seriously—is how people still ignore the facts. You bring in the experts, the pilots, the engineers who actually designed those buildings, aviation pros, even people trained specifically to fly... and they all say the same thing: those alleged hijackers could barely handle a Cessna. One of them supposedly hits a skyscraper just a few stories up? Look, I’m no pro, but from my experience messing around in Microsoft Flight Simulator, that kind of maneuver would be a massive stretch even for a top-tier pilot—maybe even impossible. There are just way too many holes in the official story. Like, how do you blame a handful of guys when they're clearly still alive and well? Or why haven't they released the footage from all those dozens of security cameras? Where's the plane debris? Not at the Pentagon, not at any of the four crash sites. And then there's the sheer absurdity of three planes hitting the Pentagon and both WTC towers right here in the USA—the most heavily defended nation on Earth. You've got experts swearing it's physically impossible to bring down the WTC towers like that, saying it looked exactly like a controlled demolition. We're talking about three WTC buildings going down, and one didn't even get hit by a plane!

This is just one documentary I've watched on the subject, but I honestly don't get how anyone can see all this evidence and still swallow the official narrative. I just can't wrap my head around people believing these fairy tales.

Anyway, peace out.

I remember watching that first documentary about those 9/11 Conspiracy theories, but honestly, the one that just aired on ABC was so much more compelling, don't you think? There’s just something about it that feels incredibly off, like there's a scent of something fishy going on that I can't quite shake!😲😲

northerncrane4 said:Did that documentary include anyone actually attempting to explain the official versions of the tower collapses and the Pentagon strike—alongside the usual 9/11 Conspiracy theories?

I mean, why even bother explaining the official version?

1. You're supposed to believe bin Laden's followers learned to fly planes, hijacked four aircraft, used three to hit targets, and the fourth just crashed into some field.

Sure, I could maybe swallow that—if it wasn't followed by a massive chain of total nonsense. From the basic fact that the WTC towers physically couldn't collapse the way they did, to the fact that people accused of being involved are still walking around today while the "victims" supposedly died in the planes that hit the towers. That’s just a couple of things—I've already laid out the rest, and honestly, anyone who watched the film probably caught on.

wiredtiger10 said:I mean, why even bother explaining the official version?

1. You're supposed to believe bin Laden's followers learned to fly planes, hijacked four aircraft, used three to hit targets, and the fourth just crashed into some field.

Sure, I could maybe swallow that—if it wasn't followed by a massive chain of total nonsense. From the basic fact that the WTC towers physically couldn't collapse the way they did, to the fact that people accused of being involved are still walking around today while the "victims" supposedly died in the planes that hit the towers. That’s just a couple of things—I've already laid out the rest, and honestly, anyone who watched the film probably caught on.

I don't see how anyone can call that a "fact"—simply because a few self-proclaimed experts say so? Every documentary I've watched lacks the actual specialists needed to explain *why* it is physically possible—leaving the viewer without any real way to weigh one side against the other.

As for the Pentagon and that fourth plane, I find the idea that they were hijacked and then shot down by our own military or air defense perfectly plausible. But since both were packed with civilians, someone clearly decided a cover-up was easier than dealing with the public fallout—so they rushed to deny the hit on the Pentagon and the debris in the field.

northerncrane4 said:I don't see how anyone can call that a "fact"—simply because a few self-proclaimed experts say so? Every documentary I've watched lacks the actual specialists needed to explain *why* it is physically possible—leaving the viewer without any real way to weigh one side against the other.

As for the Pentagon and that fourth plane, I find the idea that they were hijacked and then shot down by our own military or air defense perfectly plausible. But since both were packed with civilians, someone clearly decided a cover-up was easier than dealing with the public fallout—so they rushed to deny the hit on the Pentagon and the debris in the field.

Man, did you seriously not watch The Zeitgeist or at least two other docs I've seen where the guys who actually designed and built those towers speak up? They built them to withstand massive impacts from way bigger Boeings than what we saw. Massive!!! Look, back in New York City, a plane—I think it was a B-52 or something similar—hit the Empire State Building and obviously, it didn't just collapse. Every expert out there backs this up, and honestly, demolition pros say it looks like a textbook, perfectly executed controlled demolition. Then you've got the cops, the firefighters, and everyone else who was on the ground. Don't be an idiot and think the poor souls dying today from lung disease and all that crap they picked up there have some secret plot to make money by talking in low-budget films about feeling the series of explosions that hit all three towers. If you won't trust the people who are actually on "the side" of whoever pulled this off, then who the hell are you going to trust?

northerncrane4 said:I don't see how anyone can call that a "fact"—simply because a few self-proclaimed experts say so? Every documentary I've watched lacks the actual specialists needed to explain *why* it is physically possible—leaving the viewer without any real way to weigh one side against the other.

As for the Pentagon and that fourth plane, I find the idea that they were hijacked and then shot down by our own military or air defense perfectly plausible. But since both were packed with civilians, someone clearly decided a cover-up was easier than dealing with the public fallout—so they rushed to deny the hit on the Pentagon and the debris in the field.

Are you insane? What wreckage from the fourth plane? There wasn't any debris left in the field or at the Pentagon.

I'm not even gonna touch that "rushed cover-up" nonsense. The people working for NORAD and those airspace defense agencies aren't idiots. There are protocols in place—exactly like the expert in that movie said. It’s step 1, 2, 3, 4, and there's zero deviation. That's just how it works in the military and any serious security agency.

Thank God, they finally proved everything.🙏🙏🙏

I generally have little patience for conspiracy theories, but this particular case is quite compelling... In fact, I wouldn't even call it a theory, but rather the underlying truth behind a conspiracy. It seems we are faced with a binary choice: either a massive plot is underway, or the United States is truly being governed by people who are incompetent at best and foolish at worst. When you see the President using hand gestures like a casual frat boy during an official visit to salute soldiers, it certainly doesn't rule out the latter.
They have assembled a group of highly distinguished experts—including a Nobel laureate, no less—who have presented their arguments with remarkable logic and conviction. That is the fundamental difference between this and the various metaphysical conspiracy nonsense I have encountered in the past.

wiredtiger10 said:Man, did you seriously not watch The Zeitgeist or at least two other docs I've seen where the guys who actually designed and built those towers speak up? They built them to withstand massive impacts from way bigger Boeings than what we saw. Massive!!! Look, back in New York City, a plane—I think it was a B-52 or something similar—hit the Empire State Building and obviously, it didn't just collapse. Every expert out there backs this up, and honestly, demolition pros say it looks like a textbook, perfectly executed controlled demolition. Then you've got the cops, the firefighters, and everyone else who was on the ground. Don't be an idiot and think the poor souls dying today from lung disease and all that crap they picked up there have some secret plot to make money by talking in low-budget films about feeling the series of explosions that hit all three towers. If you won't trust the people who are actually on "the side" of whoever pulled this off, then who the hell are you going to trust?

wiredtiger10 said:Are you insane? What wreckage from the fourth plane? There wasn't any debris left in the field or at the Pentagon.

I'm not even gonna touch that "rushed cover-up" nonsense. The people working for NORAD and those airspace defense agencies aren't idiots. There are protocols in place—exactly like the expert in that movie said. It’s step 1, 2, 3, 4, and there's zero deviation. That's just how it works in the military and any serious security agency.

Look, man—believe whatever random people you see on screen and cling to one-sided arguments all you want; clearly, you don't have any issues. But this is the last time you use phrases like "don't be idiots" or "are you crazy" on this forum.

wiredtiger10 said:The funniest part about this whole thing—seriously—is how people still ignore the facts. You bring in the experts, the pilots, the engineers who actually designed those buildings, aviation pros, even people trained specifically to fly... and they all say the same thing: those alleged hijackers could barely handle a Cessna. One of them supposedly hits a skyscraper just a few stories up? Look, I’m no pro, but from my experience messing around in Microsoft Flight Simulator, that kind of maneuver would be a massive stretch even for a top-tier pilot—maybe even impossible. There are just way too many holes in the official story. Like, how do you blame a handful of guys when they're clearly still alive and well? Or why haven't they released the footage from all those dozens of security cameras? Where's the plane debris? Not at the Pentagon, not at any of the four crash sites. And then there's the sheer absurdity of three planes hitting the Pentagon and both WTC towers right here in the USA—the most heavily defended nation on Earth. You've got experts swearing it's physically impossible to bring down the WTC towers like that, saying it looked exactly like a controlled demolition. We're talking about three WTC buildings going down, and one didn't even get hit by a plane!

This is just one documentary I've watched on the subject, but I honestly don't get how anyone can see all this evidence and still swallow the official narrative. I just can't wrap my head around people believing these fairy tales.

Anyway, peace out.

It isn't about what you believe, it's about the evidence.
I mean, it doesn't matter how many entertainment industry experts claim something "can't be," or "looks like," or "I don't see anything at all"—that means absolutely nothing.
The official version is backed by evidence, and no matter how hard it is for a regular person to wrap their brain around it, that evidence is irrefutable.
The media just gives you... show business.
I'm telling you again, what you personally choose to believe doesn't change the facts one bit.
The truth is singular, and most of the time, you have to actually work to understand it.

If you want more, there's a massive thread dedicated to this over on Alternative.