OB/GYN: "It hurts like hell, so what are you waiting for?

Kevin White5 said:And honestly, he wasn't out there herding sheep with her just so she'd call him "uncle."
How would it look if I called my college professor "buddy" or "pal" or something?

Or if I used "hey you" with people way older than me who actually deserve some respect.

She told him this: 'Uncle, you're heading back inside with those papers again, we'll have to wait more...'
So, she didn't use "you" casually. I'm not making excuses for her, but I'm saying what she said isn't actually rude or a provocation at all.
Besides, if she had said "Sir, you're going back inside..." he probably would've been polite. But yeah, that "uncle" thing clearly really rubbed him the wrong way.... 🙄

Kevin White5 said:And I agree that him swearing at her was wrong and he should've kept his cool... but you find all kinds of stuff in any profession. People swear left and right because we're just primitive Americans... that's why the country is failing. I don't get why one doctor is being singled out on the news when 90 percent of Americans are like that.

The only reason this is a thing is because she tried reporting it to the director first, and when that failed, she went to the press. Go ahead and put it in the news yourself once that famous 90 percent sends you straight to hell, then maybe we'll feel bad for you.

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Kevin White5 said:If anyone calls me "Aunt" after I become a professor, I'll tell them to go find another Aunt.
He could have also told her what an "uncle" does.

Exactly. When I'm a teacher one day, I'll send all the kids to another teacher so they can call her "ma'am," and any parent who tries calling me "ma'am" or "sweetie" is getting sent packing. I'm a professional, not some random lady. 🙄

I have my own thoughts on people obsessed with titles.

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Kevin White5 said:We also need to show respect to people who have actually achieved something in life.

True. Before I decide whether to be polite to you or anyone else, I'll be checking their resume for achievements. Otherwise...
🙄

mistyhound2 said:A doctor isn't some kind of servant🙄. If you're that bitter about it, then just don't see a doctor—it's that simple. Nobody is forcing you to go to medical professionals.

And being smiley isn't actually part of their professional duties. 🙄

Sorry, but what kind of job do you have and how do you act when you're on the clock? Who are you working for, and is anyone going to complain if you show up visibly pissed off?
Professionalism covers a whole range of behaviors, including being polite and not dumping your personal mood onto patients or customers (like being grumpy or acting annoyed). So, if being kind is part of being professional, explain to me how you can be kind while scowling at someone. I wouldn't say my Aunt was being "polite" if she just brushed me off with an attitude. Obviously, there's a human element here; we aren't robots meant to smile 24/7, but certain things are just unacceptable.

I'm not bitter toward doctors. I'm bitter toward anyone who does their job with the mindset of: "if you don't like how I act, leave."

Also, when I wrote that doctors are "servants" to patients, I didn't mean it literally.
BUT, doctors are here to work for the patients, not the other way around. Go read the Hippocratic Oath, if nothing else...

It seems like many people here, and elsewhere too, love to invoke the Hippocratic Oath, though I am convinced most have never actually heard or seen the original text 😈
here it is..

THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH

In entering the medical profession
I solemnly pledge to dedicate my life to the service of humanity.
I will maintain due gratitude and respect toward my teachers.
I will practice my calling conscientiously and with dignity.
My primary concern shall be the health of my patient.
I will respect the privacy of those who entrust themselves to me.
I will uphold, with all my strength, the honor and noble traditions of the medical profession.
My colleagues shall be as brothers to me.
In performing my duties toward a patient, I will not allow any considerations,
such as religion, nationality, race, politics, or social class, to influence me.

I will absolutely respect human life from its very beginning.
And even under threat, I will not allow my medical knowledge to be used
in ways that violate the laws of humanity.
I make this solemn promise, freely invoking my honor.

The second my colleagues and I start getting paid even half of what our peers overseas make, everyone’s going to have the right—and the obligation—to hold us accountable and demand penalties. Until then, dear policyholders, you're getting way more than your money's worth, purely because our work accounts for maybe one percent of the total cost of treatment... and so on, and so forth.

Dr. Robert
This is the letter he sent to The New York Times, published on August 10, 2004.

So, there you have it...

As you can see above, there is nothing stating that doctors are anyone's servants or that they are required to be subservient, condescending, or flashing fake smiles like models in a toothpaste commercial 🙂

The patient's best interest isn't always aligned with what they want 😈

nimbleskipper13 said:Since everyone here—and everywhere else, really—keeps bringing up the Hippocratic Oath while I'm pretty sure most haven't even laid eyes on the actual text 😈
here it is..

THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH

Upon entering the medical profession
I solemnly swear to dedicate my life to the service of humanity.
I will maintain due gratitude and respect toward my teachers.
I will practice my calling conscientiously and with dignity.
The health of my patient will be my primary concern.
I will protect the secrets of those who entrust themselves to me.
I will uphold with all my strength the honor and noble traditions of the medical profession.
My colleagues will be my brothers.
In performing my duties to the patient, I will not be influenced by any considerations,
be they faith, nationality, race, political affiliation, or social class.

I will absolutely respect human life from its very beginning.
And even under threat, I will not allow my medical knowledge to be used
contrary to the laws of humanity.
I make this solemn pledge, freely invoking my honor.

Hehe... But where's the American version? When I Googled "Hippocratic Oath," all I found were outdated sites from old government archives.
Why don't you post the American version since you've seen it. 😈

And once you're done, explain what you actually meant by all that.

nimbleskipper13 said:As you can see from what’s above, there’s absolutely nothing stating that doctors have to be anyone's servants, nor does it say they need to act subservient or flash fake smiles like models in a toothpaste commercial.🙂

Just because a patient wants something doesn't mean it's actually good for them. 😈

Sure, nobody mentioned being polite or acting professional.
But nowhere does it say they have to wear white coats or that we’re required to call them "doctor." There’s nothing in there about digitizing healthcare to make things run smoother, either. And honestly, it doesn't even mention that they should get paid for doing their jobs.

I mean... 🙄

Adam Wells5 said:...And nowhere does it say they aren't supposed to get paid for their jobs....

I really hope someone breaks the news to you soon—with a smile, no less—that there’s no paycheck coming this month. Maybe then you'll suddenly realize how much nonsense you've been spewing on this forum.

swiftscout8 said:I honestly hope someone breaks the news to you soon—with a little smirk, too—that your paycheck isn't coming this month. Maybe then you'll suddenly realize what absolute nonsense you've been spewing on this forum.

And just how much time and effort did you actually sink into your training to become a preschool teacher?

Adam Wells5 said:Sure, but there’s absolutely nothing written about being polite or acting professionally.
There isn't a single rule stating they have to wear white coats or that we’re required to address them as "Doctor." There’s no mention of digitizing healthcare to improve efficiency, either. And heaven forbid, there isn't anything saying they actually need to get paid for their work.

I think... 🙄

It doesn't say anywhere that you should wipe your ass and flush after using the toilet, does it? 😈
But you probably do that, unlike all this verbal nonsense that clearly flows out of your mouth without any trouble at all.

Adam Wells5 said:Haha... but where is the American version? That’s what I found when I Googled 'Hippocratic Oath'—it just spits out old historical archives from various states.
If you've actually seen the official American version, why don't you post it for us? 😈

And once you do, maybe explain what you were trying to get at in the first place.

If you're struggling to follow, maybe grab a dictionary or just ask someone who actually knows the language. 😈

As for my point... it's pretty simple: a smart person sees something, their brain processes it, and they "get it." But when it comes to a fool, not even God can help them.
🙂

swiftscout8 said:I hope someone breaks the news to you soon with a grin, letting you know you won't be seeing a paycheck this month. Then you'll suddenly remember all the nonsense you've been posting on this forum.

Chill out. My point about the paychecks, white coat privilege, and healthcare automation was just an analogy—basically saying doctors don't have to be polite or smile just because it isn't explicitly written in the Hippocratic Oath.

Read the whole thing before you start jumping to conclusions. 🙂

Michael Cox40 said:And just how much time and effort did you actually put into your training to become a preschool teacher?

Just read the post above.

nimbleskipper13 said:It doesn't say anywhere that you're supposed to wipe or flush after using the toilet, right? 😈
You're probably actually doing it, unlike all that empty talk you keep spewing.

Man, just don't be a jerk. 🙂 That’s just not cool. 😉

I'm glad you pointed that out—you don't need to explicitly state that you use paper after using a WCA, just like you don't have to write about basic manners in the Hippocratic Oath to make them mandatory.

Alright, let's go.

nimbleskipper13 said:If you don't get it, just grab a dictionary and translate it yourself... or go ask someone who actually knows what they're talking about. 😈

I get it perfectly fine without a dictionary—you just shouldn't go hunting for nationalists where there aren't any. Since you're coming at me (and by extension, all of us) as if we've never even heard of the Hippocratic Oath, I'm expecting a version you actually read yourself before the rest of us, not just some copy-paste job from the first page of Google. 😬

nimbleskipper13 said:Anyway, my point was basically this: a smart person uses their eyes to send an image to the brain, which then processes and "gets" it, whereas even God can't help a fool...
🙂

But didn't you say you were quoting the Hippocratic Oath because you're "convinced most people have never even heard of or seen the original text"?

You really need a wild imagination to interpret your posts that way. 😎

Adam Wells5 said:Read everything first before you start jumping to conclusions. 🙂

I read the whole thing and I understood it perfectly fine. From a grammatical standpoint, your post was nothing more than a standard list. If that wasn't your intention, then you clearly wrote it that way—and if so, you don't have a clue about American language and grammar.

swiftscout8 said:I read everything and got the point. Grammatically speaking, your post was just a standard list. If that wasn't your intention, then you wrote it that way, which means you don't have a clue about American language and grammar.

Hey there, swiftscout8.

I think you missed the mark. If you only read my post—the one you actually quoted—you couldn't have possibly understood what I meant. So, let me clear things up for you.

nimbleskipper13 shared the Hippocratic Oath to show me that it doesn't mention anything about being polite (which apparently means doctors don't need manners), to which I replied that plenty of other stuff isn't in that oath either, yet doctors still follow it.

As for all this talk about grammar, lists, and how I supposedly don't know anything about language and grammar—where on earth did you get the idea to bring grammar into a debate like this?

But, since you really want to play teacher and lecture me on literacy:

the word "american" shouldn't be capitalized in this context.

Thought I might be able to wrap this whole thing up pretty easily...☕...especially since health wasn't really the main point to begin with, and you guys are starting to... 🙂

Long live the Internet, the great equalizer of our society!! 👍
🙂

mistyhound2 said:Being smiley isn't exactly part of the job description for professionals. 🙄

... but is treating a patient like absolute garbage also part of the job? ☕