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northernseal6 northernseal6 MemberOP
38 messages
joined Apr 2012
#1 ·
Just saw the second Sofia Coppola flick to hit the local film festival here in the States..
Bill Murray and Scarlett Johansson play two Americans traveling through Tokyo.
He's an aging actor filming a whiskey commercial, while she's tagging along with her photographer husband.
The movie is gorgeous. You have to see it.
Murray is definitely giving us a career-defining performance here.
My only gripe is how the film pokes fun at Japanese culture in a way that feels totally disconnected from Western perspectives.
Anyone else caught this yet?
redgull44 redgull44 Member
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joined Sep 2003
#2 ·
Watched it.
I’m actually a huge fan of the movie; it’s got that slow, cool vibe where everything just flows naturally.
I read somewhere that Sophia spent about eighteen months waiting for Murray to sign on for the role... honestly, it makes sense, because without him, the whole thing would be half as good.

I don't think the film is making fun of the Japanese way of life; if anything, it feels like it's showing it through our own lens. The fact that you found certain parts funny—and I did too—suggests the issue might just be us. Or maybe there isn't even an issue, and it's just such a massive cultural gap that your first instinct was just to laugh.
It reminds me of that time during a screening of that South Korean indie flick, *How to Breathe*, when the producer started speaking and part of the audience just lost it. My initial thought was, "What idiots, not everyone needs to speak perfect English," but I have to admit, once the translator stepped in, I found myself laughing along too.
That’s why that disconnect felt even sharper—and arguably funnier—for the audience in the movie, since they had just experienced that exact same awkwardness moments before.

Anyway, if you're looking for mindless action, this isn't for you, but anyone who actually appreciates a well-made film is going to love it.
Noah Murphy46 Noah Murphy46 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2003
#3 ·
So, I think I already weighed in on this movie somewhere—it was an absolute train wreck. It’s actually wild how bad it was. I started losing interest practically from the opening credits. And honestly? Two hours of my life gone, plus all that cash that g. Sophia basically flushed down the toilet on this production. If we're being real, the US film industry could have used that exact same budget to fund a decade's worth of solid indie projects, or at least put out one genuine masterpiece every year instead of this garbage.
slyrider16 slyrider16 Active Member
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joined Mar 2006
#4 ·
Noah Murphy46 said:Like, American cinematography could've actually used that money over the next decade to churn out profitable movies while still dropping at least one absolute masterpiece on the world every single year.

Just correcting some wrong info here. An average movie in the States runs about $500k to $750k. If they shot a few a year, you'd be looking at $15-20 million over ten years.
The total budget for Lost in translation was $4 million, and Japan isn't exactly cheap for production. (Btw, you can tell in the movie that Lost in translation is low-budget by American standards, but it doesn't really bother anyone)
redgull44 redgull44 Member
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joined Sep 2003
#5 ·
Noah Murphy46 said:I think I already made my stance clear on this movie—it was absolute garbage. It’s actually kind of shocking how bad it turned out.

So what exactly is bothering you about it? You didn't really give any reasons, so walk me through your logic...
I've mentioned before that this isn't everyone's cup of tea, especially if you're coming at it with a massive chip on your shoulder regarding American cinema.
Melissa Moore32 Melissa Moore32 Active Member
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joined Jan 2004
#6 ·
northernseal6> It’s basically just Bill Murray and Scarlett Johansson playing two Americans stuck in Tokyo.
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The only thing that really gets under my skin is how the movie mocks Japanese culture. It feels like they’re intentionally making fun of traditions that are completely at odds with Western values. I guess it just feels forced.
Has anyone actually seen this yet?

I haven't actually sat down to watch it, but I honestly find it hard to take any movie seriously when Murray is the lead... especially regarding what northernseal6 wrote about the mockery of Japanese culture. I guess it's more like they were just messing around to keep the film from being a total snooze fest. I mean, who is actually going to take his mistake that seriously? 😛

It’ll probably end up being exactly what redgull44 said, so I might as well just quote them here:

I don't really buy the idea that the movie is mocking the Japanese way of life. If anything, I’d say it’s just presenting things from our own perspective. Honestly, the fact that you found it funny—and I did too, I'll admit it—suggests the issue might actually be with us. Maybe there isn't even a real "problem" here; it might just be such a massive cultural gap that our gut reaction is just to laugh because we don't quite get it.


So, I don't know... there's probably a slim chance we'll find this on Divx somewhere, or maybe it'll actually show up in the local video rental stores? I guess we can hope, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
northernseal6 northernseal6 MemberOP
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#7 ·
No way... Murray definitely delivered the performance of a lifetime in this one.
Even though he was also stellar in Groundhog Day back in the day.😉
Regarding the jokes about Japan, I don't think it's just our perspective. It isn't just funny to US; better yet, it wasn't even funny to me, but rather, it's meant to be funny to THEM in the movie. Plus, Japanese culture and certain traits are definitely being caricatured here. Honestly, the best move would probably be to ask an actual Japanese person how they felt about it.
It's the same way I felt during Ali G, where they make fun of a Canadian girl for being ugly—it would have felt way different if she had been American.
Melissa Moore32 Melissa Moore32 Active Member
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joined Jan 2004
#8 ·
northernseal6> I thought that part was pretty funny too, when Ali G makes fun of that Canadian girl by calling her ugly. It probably wouldn't have been nearly as funny if she had been American.

😕

I honestly find Ali Hadžijev's sense of humor totally lame, and it’s definitely not hitting the mark for me. That whole bit about the girl from Canada is just another example 👎

I don't think that's really a great analogy for the movie we're actually talking about. And if it actually is a fair comparison, then it just means the movie is genuinely terrible. 🤔
Justin Patel Justin Patel Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#9 ·
I mean, what's the chance of finding this on DivX or maybe seeing it show up in video rental stores? [/B]

It’ll definitely hit the rental stores. First off, it got a ton of media buzz here in the States, and besides, if they brought out The Virgin Suicides, then this one is coming too..
northernseal6 northernseal6 MemberOP
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joined Apr 2012
#10 ·
Melissa Moore32 says:


😕

I find Ali Hadžijev's sense of humor totally lame, let alone funny. That joke about the girl from Mexico was just as bad. 👎

It doesn't feel like a great analogy for the movie we're discussing. And if it actually is a good analogy, then the movie is just straight-up terrible. 🤔

Actually, Melissa Moore32, both Ali G and Lost in translation are right on that same level... which is pretty obvious from my posts.🙄
The joke about the girl from Mexico was just for comparison! The point is you probably think it's hilarious when people make fun of Chinese, Turkish, Swedish, or Arab people, but it's less funny when they poke fun at Americans. Why is that so hard to grasp?
And whether the movie is actually bad or not, you won't know until you watch it. You shouldn't draw wrong conclusions based on wrong assumptions. 😉
Melissa Moore32 Melissa Moore32 Active Member
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joined Jan 2004
#11 ·
northernseal6 said:Honestly, I think Melissa Moore32 is basically on the same level as Ali G or Lost in translation... which, if you read my posts, is pretty damn obvious.🙄

Did I actually say they were in the same league? Seriously, take a closer look at what I wrote.

northernseal6 said:Look, that whole bit about the Canadian girl was just meant as a comparison. I guess the real issue here is that you probably find it hilarious when people make fun of Chinese, Turkish, Swedish, or Arab people, but the second someone mocks us, suddenly it’s a problem. Why is that so hard to wrap your head around?

Personally, I don't find it funny when people make fun of Chinese people, Turkish people, or whoever else... more specifically, I just don't get the way Ali G goes about it (since you brought him up, Scarlett).

There’s a massive difference between actual mockery and what people call "mockery." One is just being a jerk, and the other is something else entirely. I guess it's hard for some people to tell the difference.

I don't know if it's just me, but I find it pretty hard to laugh off when people start making fun of us. It’s one thing to crack a joke, but there’s a massive difference between actual humor and just being straight-up disrespectful. I guess I'm just saying that there is a line between lighthearted teasing and blatant mockery, and some people are clearly crossing it.
Noah Murphy46 Noah Murphy46 Newcomer
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#12 ·
Here’s a few things I hated about this movie, though honestly, everything was garbage—from the plot and the acting to the humor, the filler scenes, the characters, and even that almost amateurish camerawork...
The story is an absolute disaster; if I were Japanese, I’d be suing them right now. I have no clue what the writer was trying to achieve, what the point of the plot was, or where the actual conflict lived... and don't even get me started on the characters. They are just terrible—shallow, poorly developed, and oversimplified (which is typical for American movies and writers—think Hemingway, for example). On top of the trash plot and weak characters, the film is agonizingly slow. You could maybe justify that pace if the story, dialogue, or characters actually had some substance, but in this case...
The dialogue is atrocious, and the director clearly had zero vision or idea of what she wanted to accomplish throughout the entire runtime. Like, 80-90% of the scenes are completely useless and contribute nothing to a plot that is itself pure filler, while the remaining 10-20% could have been executed so much better. I really can't stand it when unproven directors try to get experimental—I think that was her excuse (probably because she lacked a solid concept) to explore themes of "boredom" (an incredibly difficult topic to pull off) and lost souls (whose reasons for being lost are just plain stupid) who find nothing interesting about Japanese culture. That whole sense of American cultural superiority really rubbed me the wrong way, especially the way they mock the Japanese... it's such a Hollywood trope... bad. Just plain bad. Between those phone calls from his wife back in the States, the way they meet and interact, their relationship development, her husband or whoever, the driving scenes through Tokyo, the constant cultural clashes, and that blatant American arrogance and ignorance in every single moment—not to mention the awful humor...

I'm glad to hear she spent way less money than I originally assumed (my guess was at least 10 million). It makes me feel a bit better knowing that, given how expensive Japan is, it's hard to believe the production only cost 4 million dollars.
Amanda Jackson10 Amanda Jackson10 Newcomer
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#13 ·
I think it's absolutely brilliant...👍
Scarlett is just stunning, and honestly, there’s nobody quite like Bill Murray—he’s one of a kind....
I was also really digging the soundtrack (Air, Death in Vegas, The Jesus and Mary Chain, My Bloody Valentine...)
Highly recommended!
Maria Stewart57 Maria Stewart57 Member
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joined Sep 2006
#14 ·
I have to say, I wasn't exactly blown away....
I was expecting something with a bit more substance, honestly...
The acting was solid enough, though.
Steven Hernandez9 Steven Hernandez9 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2003
#15 ·
Was that actually released in theaters? I wonder if it might make its way to the big screen soon.
Christian Cox58 Christian Cox58 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2003
#16 ·
I watched it. I really liked it! The atmosphere in the movie is great because there’s this sense of freedom and just breaking all the rules. Scarlett looks amazing and was absolutely perfect for the role. I actually watched it when I was feeling pretty down, but if you stick with it, you realize that the struggle eventually pays off and something beautiful is coming. While that good part is happening, you might not even notice it, but you'll definitely have an interesting time. Once it finally clicks, you realize just how far you've come and that anything is possible. Some people might not think it's anything special, but for me... it was lovely. Definitely worth a watch regardless.🙂
Amanda Jackson10 Amanda Jackson10 Newcomer
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#17 ·
Man... I love this stuff so much I feel like I have to say it all over again!
It’s an absolute must-watch. 👍 👍
Christian Sanchez44 Christian Sanchez44 Active Member
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joined Jul 2005
#18 ·
You probably were at the SCU during the ZFF.
And you witnessed that whole scene that went down right before they screened that Korean film.

And now you’re actually trying to lecture me about mocking Japanese culture? Give me a break...🙄
redgull44 redgull44 Member
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joined Sep 2003
#19 ·
Christian Sanchez44 said:You probably were right there at the SCU during the ZFF.
You likely saw the whole scene unfold just before they screened that Korean movie.

And then you have the nerve to talk about mocking Japanese culture... give me a break...🙄

That is exactly my main point.😁
Kyle White2 Kyle White2 Member
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joined Nov 2003
#20 ·
Finally caught the movie yesterday

Really liked it... 👍

Most parts worked for me...

A lot of things were spot on...

The script, the acting... the music... all good👍

The atmosphere was great...

It’s about two people whose marriage didn't turn out how they envisioned... they feel life should be more than just a financial arrangement... they want something deeper than the usual grind and daily routine...
Everything is there, yet something feels missing...

Regarding Japanese culture... I don't think the film mocks it... not at all... there isn't really any Japanese culture present in the film...
It's mostly just Japan copying American nonsense...

When we left the theater, my husband shared a comment his friend made after returning from Japan: "They try to copy the American way of life... but it just doesn't suit them"

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