Kill Bill Vol. 1

silvermason12 said:Watched the movie today.... boring, just pure boredom, especially that part where that typical girl gets cornered by 100 people in a hall, and of course she defends herself... and all that nonsense.... otherwise the plot is dull (hardly any excitement)... crap !!, a total disappointment👎

And apparently, I'm the one who didn't "get" the movie... 😁

silvermason12 said:Watched the movie today... boring, just pure boredom. Especially that part where that typical girl gets jumped by 100 people in a hall, and then she defends herself... all that nonsense. Plus, the plot itself was dull (hardly any excitement)... total crap, what a disappointment.👎

Are you out of your mind? Seriously.😳

I HAVE NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR ANYONE WHO DISRESPECTS KILL BILL!!!

The movie is a total legend.!

But did you guys catch that bit at the beginning? I was just thinking about it:
It says: "Revenge is a dish best served cold - OLD KLINGON PROVERB "

Tarantino is a legend 🙏

silvermason12 said:Watched the movie today... boring, just pure boredom, especially that part where she's stuck in a room getting jumped by a hundred people and then, of course, she fights her way out... all that nonsense... plus the plot was dull (barely any excitement)... crap, what a disappointment.👎

Kill Bill is boring?!😲

Man, you seriously need a reality check...😳

O-Ren Ishii vs. The Bride in that snow garden is hands down the greatest fight scene ever filmed... The whole movie is just this epic tribute to all those legendary kung-fu westerns, and it’s honestly incredible—I can't even wait for Volume II. Tarantino really outdid himself here.👍

Personally, I found it pretty dull... but what can you do when it's just boring? I have to admit, I wasn't even watching during the last 20 minutes or so because I completely drifted off...😁

I think I'll give it another watch either today or tomorrow, and who knows, maybe I'll actually change my mind...

Even though I was counting down the minutes until it finally ended, the film certainly wasn't a bore, and it’s worth seeing. It isn't a bad film per se; it just failed to land for me. I’ll leave open the possibility that I simply didn't grasp its essence. I understand why the Tarantino devotees worship at his altar. However, I am not one of them, so his stylistic quirks were entirely predictable—I wasn't surprised by them, nor was I particularly impressed. No matter how much of a divine revelation this might seem to some of you, to me, it was exactly what I expected it to be.

My apologies, but even Kill Bill can't be the perfect masterpiece for everyone—in fact, I’d venture to say it’s only the best for those who are already fans of Tarantino.

silvermason12 said:honestly, I found it pretty dull... but what can you do? It was boring... I'll admit I wasn't even watching the last 20 minutes because I drifted off to sleep...😁

I’ll give it another shot today or tomorrow—maybe then I'll actually change my mind.

👍

I'll respect the effort you put in..

Richard Howard2 :
Even though I was practically counting down the minutes until it ended, the movie wasn't a total bore—it’s actually worth seeing. It isn't bad, per se, it just missed the mark for me. Maybe I just didn't "get" it, who knows? I get why the Tarantino fans worship the ground he walks on, but I'm just not one of them. His whole style—all those tropes—was exactly what I expected before I even sat down, so I wasn't surprised or particularly impressed. No matter how much of a divine revelation this looks like to some of you, for me, it was exactly what I thought it would be.

Sorry, but even Kill Bill can't be the perfect masterpiece for everyone—I’d go as far as saying it’s only the best when you're a die-hard Tarantino fan.

Fair point...🙂

silvermason12 said:Honestly, I found it pretty dull... but what can you do when it's boring? I have to admit I wasn't even watching the last 20 minutes because I drifted off to sleep...😁

I might give it another spin today or tomorrow; maybe then I'll actually change my mind.

NO, it isn't boring!!!!1
you just didn't get it!😳

Richard Howard2 :
Even though I was counting down the minutes until it wrapped up, the movie wasn't a total snooze, and it’s worth catching if you have the time. It isn't bad, per se, just unsuccessful. Maybe I just didn't get it, though. I can see why the Tarantino fans are obsessed; I'm just not one of them, so his little stylistic quirks felt predictable rather than surprising or thrilling. No matter how much of a divine revelation this might seem to some of you, for me, it landed exactly where I expected it to.

Honestly, even Kill Bill isn't going to be the perfect masterpiece for everyone—I'd argue it's really only the "best" when you're looking at it through a Tarantino lens.

Look, I didn't walk out feeling like I'd seen a religious vision either. I'm not some fanatic who would kill for Tarantino, I just happen to enjoy his work. Some of those old-school tropes were easy enough to spot if someone pointed them out, but if you weren't looking, they practically vanished into thin air.
Who ever said Kill Bill was the ultimate masterpiece for every single person? Total nonsense.😳

silvermason12 said:Watched the movie today... boring, just plain boring, especially that part where that typical girl gets jumped by 100 people in a hall, and of course, she defends herself... and all that nonsense...

Well... *true*. That’s exactly why I find the film so good and hilarious—because it is intentionally overblown, unbelievable, and forced. Those movies we often see on basic cable or accidentally rent from a video store only to regret spending the money; that's precisely what Tarantino was aiming for here. This film is essentially the most expensive mockery of ninja novels ever made. It's the most expensive piece of intentional TRASH classic.

Anyway, I have a soft spot for trash cinema, so I actually enjoyed watching someone lean so heavily into those clichés. Of course, maybe Tarantino intended to create something purely avant-garde, or perhaps I simply missed the point, but even like this, it's great.

So, I watched it again today (which is always a mission when you have to coordinate multiple groups just to hit the theater), and man, the movie is fantastic!
Just like the first time, I was totally entertained, laughing my head off, and now I'm just counting down the days until the sequel drops.

The whole thing is pure fun. Honestly, I think Tarantino probably set out to make one specific kind of movie, but then he likely remembered all those kung fu flicks he’s obsessed with (probably like 90 percent of his brain), so he thought, "Why not?"—and hey, he ends up making double the cash too...

Chiaki, I love you!!!11

I'm seriously counting down the days until the DVD drops, and then we get to II. Honestly, I’m probably gonna grab the soundtrack sometime this week too.👍

casualotter21 said:Well... *yeah*. That’s exactly why I think the movie is so good and funny—because it's so intentionally over-the-top, wild, and forced. You know those movies you see on local cable or accidentally rent from a video store and immediately regret spending money on? That’s what Tarantino was aiming for here. The whole thing is basically the most expensive mockery of ninja flicks ever made. A high-budget, intentional TRASH classic.

Anyway, I love trashy movies, so I actually enjoyed watching someone lean so hard into those clichés. Of course, maybe Tarantino wanted to make something more profound, and maybe I just missed the point—who knows—but for me, even this version is great.

Well, I think you might have misunderstood Tarantino.
Just look at him. Read his interviews, his biography.

The guy dropped out of high school and spent five years devouring movies at the local video rental shop. He lives for all of that—every single scene is a nod to some other film. To him, it’s all about homages. And, most importantly, he takes himself seriously.

"The most expensive intentional TRASH classic."

That's incorrect. Tarantino loves violence and exactly what you're calling "trash." He finds value in it; he doesn't view his own work as trash.

His interviews suggest that during Uma Thurman's fight against the Crazy 88 in the House of Blue Leaves, Tarantino REALLY wanted to create the "BEST FIGHT EVER" (his words, anyway).

Another critic described him pretty well as a man with encyclopedic knowledge of one specific genre of film, but nothing beyond that. He doesn't read much literature, and he doesn't really seek out other kinds of depth.

Everything BAD that you see in Kill Bill isn't INTENTIONAL TRASH—because that's not how Tarantino works (otherwise, he wouldn't have made the deadly serious Reservoir Dogs)—it's just a poorly made film. It's due to Tarantino's own flaws.

coastalorca3 said:Well, I don't think you actually get Tarantino.
Just look at him. Read his interviews, look at his biography.

The guy dropped out of high school and spent five years devouring movies at a video rental store. He’s obsessed with all of it; every single scene is a nod to some other film. To him, everything is an homage, this homage, that homage. And, most importantly, he takes himself seriously.

"The most expensive intentional TRASH classic."

Wrong. Tarantino leans into violence and what YOU describe as trash. He finds value in it; he doesn't view his own work as mere trash.

Interviews show that during Uma Thurman's fight against the Crazy 88 in the House of Blue Leaves, Tarantino REALLY wanted to create the "BEST FIGHT EVER" (to quote him).

Another critic described him quite accurately as a man with encyclopedic knowledge of one specific genre—film—but nothing beyond that. He doesn't read books; he doesn't engage with other forms of depth.

Everything BAD you see in the movie Kill Bill isn't INTENTIONAL TRASH (because that's not how Tarantino works—otherwise, he wouldn't have made the deadly serious Reservoir Dogs), it's just a POORLY MADE FILM. It's due to Tarantino's own shortcomings.

It makes sense. 👍

UPDATE!

All of Tarantino's scripts can be easily found on the net.
I was revisiting some parts of Kill Bill. Someone made a great point that the script is actually much more sprawling than the actual film—meaning it's packed with even more of those specific Tarantino "bits." For instance, at the start of the movie, instead of just one trucker, Buck brings two along—and then he even lifts the Bride's dress to show them her crotch. And later, when he mentions the vaseline, it says, "He takes out the most disgusting jar of vaseline in the history of cinema, and hands it to Warren." It’s like peak Tarantino, almost as if he wanted to amp up that Pulp Fiction tour vibe even further.

This bit is straight from the script—the assassination of the nurse (Fuck-Bucka):
The Bride looks down at him....The Vengeance Theme begins playing loudly on the soundtrack, and the VEIN IN HER FOREHEAD BECOMES PRONOUNCED and begins to PULSATE in time with the music. Every time The Bride comes face to face with a tormenter, this Theme will play on the soundtrack. By mid movie this music should drive the audience wild with orgasmic anticipation of the carnage to come...
...and With the door in her hand and one mighty slam, this Longview Texas Boy is sent to the Promised Land.

"By mid movie this music should drive the audience wild with orgasmic anticipation of the carnage to come..."

Well, that's how Tarantino thinks. As for the audience—that's me. I personally get a rush from the violence, so naturally, the audience will too, especially if I prime them with a musical theme first.

The fact that half of those edgy elements didn't even make it into the final cut of Kill Bill is probably a significant step forward.

coastalorca3 said:UPDATE!

You can easily find all of Tarantino's scripts online.

It sounds pretty ridiculous, especially those CAPS LOCK parts, if they actually show up in the script. Got a link?

coastalorca3 said:Everything BAD you see in the movie Kill Bill isn't INTENTIONAL TRASH (because that's not how Tarantino works—otherwise he wouldn't have made the deadly serious Reservoir Dogs), it's just a poorly made film. It's due to Tarantino's own flaws.

Well, I wouldn't know, since I'm not exactly a "Tarantinologist." 😁 I enjoy watching a good movie, but honestly, I don't mind a bad one either. If the guy is really the type of character you're describing, and if he truly takes his work that seriously, then all I can say is that it's a massive shame for him.
Still, it doesn't change anything for me. I'm going to keep enjoying Kill Bill my own way: as a brilliant trash classic that people will still be watching on VHS with friends, popcorn, cocktails, and commentary for years to come.

Can you really do any better than that? 😁

Here’s the link to the script.
Don't click if you can't resist reading the whole thing... you might ruin the movie for yourself, right? 😉

Kill Bill script

If you're really into watching intentional TRASH films, then this is perfect. I suppose the key is knowing whether they were designed that way from the start, or if the audience just decided they were—which probably doesn't sit too well with directors trying to be serious.

I honestly think that Tarantino, if he actually wanted to, could (consciously) make the BEST TRASH FILM OF ALL TIME, LIKE, EVERRRR!!!!! (using all caps here)

It's because those kinds of ideas come naturally to him. But, I guess, his "artistic" side always ends up getting in the way of a pure pursuit like that.

REGARDING THE CAPS IN THE SCRIPT: It’s possible that using Caps Lock is just a standard practice dating back to the days of typewriters. They don't necessarily carry the same emotional weight as they do on the internet, WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE IS SCREAMING!!!! !!!! !!!! It's more likely just one of those old norms used to emphasize IMPORTANT things—so you can see at a glance what matters most.