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So, does being vegan automatically make you a cult member?

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William Scott40 William Scott40 Member
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joined Dec 2002
#41 ·
Laura Green8 said:That’s nonsense. I know someone who hasn't touched meat in 15 years and they're perfectly fine. They don't even use salt.

I guess you didn't actually read what I wrote? If a person isn't consuming any amino acids from animal sources at all—which is basically what defines a vegan diet—that's a different story. It doesn't matter if your friend avoids meat if they're still drinking milk or eating eggs. Also, maybe look into some research; vegetarianism can be risky if people aren't informed. 😉
Frank Lee6 Frank Lee6 Member
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joined Oct 2005
#42 ·
Honestly, I just can't get enough of slow-roasted lamb cooked over an open fire.

Does loving a meal like that mean I can't be part of any religious group? And even if I were, what does it matter if I still have a massive craving for lamb (and other greasy delicacies)?😉
darkbison81 darkbison81 Active Member
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joined Feb 2003
#43 ·
My old man wouldn't touch poultry, seafood, or any animal unless it was beef. We once got stuck at some local festival where they were spinning lamb skewers over an open flame... he just asked for a slice of bread and some cheese, and the locals practically lost their minds. 😁 He told them he belonged to some mysterious sect and couldn't eat that stuff for religious reasons; everyone started crowding around him, and women and kids from all over the county came out just to get a look at him. 😁 (I guess looking like an outsider makes you seem pretty exotic, which probably added to the whole vibe).

To be clear, nobody in my family is actually a vegetarian, vegan, or anything like that. We aren't huge meat eaters and don't go overboard with it (unlike Dad—Mom and I will eat chicken or fish whenever we feel like it). Nobody knows what specific sect my family belongs to. 🙂
Physiologically speaking, we’re basically the United Nations.
mellowwalker22 mellowwalker22 MemberOP
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#44 ·
darkbison81 said:My dad didn't eat poultry, anything from the ocean or rivers, or any animal besides veal. One time we got stuck at some local festival where they were grilling lamb skewers on rotisseries... he just asked for a slice of bread and some cheese, and the locals basically lost their minds. 😁 He said he belonged to some mysterious sect and couldn't eat it for religious reasons. Everyone started crowding around him, and women and children from the whole town came out just to get a look at him. 😁 (It probably seemed pretty exotic, which I guess adds to the whole impression).

Actually, no one in my family is a vegetarian, a vegan, or anything like that. We aren't huge meat eaters and don't eat it very often (unlike Dad—Mom and I eat poultry and seafood when we do eat meat). It’s just not known which specific sect my family belongs to. 🙂
Physiologically speaking, I suppose we're more like the United Nations.


Poor folks, and poor Dad... and I guess poor you, too.🙂
mellowwalker22 mellowwalker22 MemberOP
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joined Apr 2003
#45 ·
William Scott40 said:I heard that strict vegans—the ones who won't touch any amino acids from animal sources—basically drop dead after three years. So, if you're into that, be my guest.😉

You aren't exactly playing with a full deck, are you?

🙄
mellowwalker22 mellowwalker22 MemberOP
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#46 ·
Ronald Miller said:True. Pork can be absolutely delicious, provided you actually know how to cook it right.

Honestly, I guess even lizards, snakes, or other critters from the backyard could taste great if they were prepared properly.😁 🙂
darkbison81 darkbison81 Active Member
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joined Feb 2003
#47 ·
mellowwalker22 said:Poor people and poor dad... and poor you too.🙂

I honestly hope I spend my whole life being just as "poor" as he was🙂
by every possible metric.
I couldn't care less what other people think. If they want to pretend they're satisfied because someone else isn't eating at the table—since neither my mom nor I can stand lamb, anyway—then fine, let them have more for themselves...
swiftcobra15 swiftcobra15 Regular
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joined Dec 2002
#48 ·
I’ve been reading this thread from the start, and I have to say, you all gave me a good laugh. Honestly, there isn't this much nonsense even on the comment sections of major US news sites like CNN.

First off, just so everyone knows which camp 😁 I belong to: I haven't eaten meat in about thirty years. I'm not a vegetarian, let alone a vegan.

However, once I stopped eating meat, I made a point of studying human nutrition thoroughly, and I think I actually learned a thing or two along the way.
Originally, humans (Homo sapiens) were essentially omnivores. This specifically means that in pre-civilization times, our diet consisted of about 70–80% plant-based foods, while the rest came from animals—things like insects, larvae, shellfish, crustaceans, fish, birds, and mammals, just to name the big ones. I mention this so the skeptics don't immediately assume we were living solely on spiders.
Even today, so-called "primitive" groups still eat this way, unless they live in extreme environments, such as the Inuit or certain Samoyed communities.

With the rise of the modern food industry—which is driven primarily by industrial factory farming and mass meat processing—there has been a massive surge in the consumption of unnaturally produced meat. Consequently, we are seeing a spike in many modern diseases that our ancestors barely knew existed.

Just a few generations ago, our ancestors might have had meat once a week, or perhaps a few more times a year. They were also much more physically active, and for the most part, they were healthy. A crucial difference compared to today is that the meat they did consume was naturally raised, so it couldn't harm them the way today's products do.
Meat was often a staple on the tables of the wealthy, which created the misconception that meat is the ultimate food. Interestingly, even "experts" fell for this bias; I remember being taught in school that we needed to consume huge amounts of animal protein every single day. Today, official scientific guidelines have actually halved those recommendations, yet some people still insist that a significant portion of protein must come from animal sources. To me, that seems like utter nonsense when you consider the millions of people worldwide who don't consume animal products at all.

Our body's proteins are synthesized from essential amino acids, all of which we can easily obtain from plant-based foods. When we consume animal proteins, we are essentially making digestion more complicated, because those proteins first have to be broken down into essential amino acids before our bodies can synthesize our own proteins.

😉 It feels like I've gone on a bit too long here, so if there's interest, I'll continue this another time.🙂
Robin Collins5 Robin Collins5 Member
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joined Mar 2005
#49 ·
darkbison81 said:I honestly couldn't care less about anyone else—if they’re happy knowing there's more roast lamb left on the table because certain people (myself and my mom can't stand lamb, by the way) aren't eating any, then good for them...

Oh, we're satisfied, darkbison81, believe me! I would never dream of forcing my sister to eat lamb just for the sake of it. 😉
mellowwalker22 mellowwalker22 MemberOP
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#50 ·
swiftcobra15
What kind of nonsense have you stumbled upon? First off, MAN IS A BIOLOGICAL BEING. Honestly, just look at our digestive system—that says enough. What do you mean, United Nations? We aren't swine, for heaven's sake... people! 🙄
Michael Cox40 Michael Cox40 Member
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joined Mar 2003
#51 ·
People are already hashing out similar arguments over in the "World Around Us" section, desperately hunting for evidence to back up claims that just refuse to surface.

By the way, this guy is a Jehovah's Witness, and honestly, what does that have to do with anything? It’s like saying a pig is a Jehovah's Witness too. You can't just conclude that a dog equals a cat simply because they both happen to be carnivores.🙄
darktinker47 darktinker47 Member
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joined May 2003
#52 ·
Can someone please walk me through the logic here? If a person is naturally a vegan, why exactly and at what point did their entire dietary structure shift?
If humans are inherently plant-based—which seems to be the core argument you're leaning on—then how on earth did we start digesting meat? If our biology isn't wired for it, how did we even survive? It’s the equivalent of a koala suddenly deciding to munch on fried caterpillars just for the hell of it. 😁
Secondly, even if we grant you that premise for a moment, 🙄where exactly is the line drawn in the evolutionary timeline of the human species? Where did this transition actually happen? You seem to be using everything prior to that hypothetical threshold as your benchmark, while ignoring actual, observable human history. That's like claiming a whale is a land animal simply because its distant ancestor used to run around on solid ground. 🙄
Personally, I rarely eat meat myself, and I have nothing but respect for whatever lifestyle or dietary choices people make. It doesn't affect my life. But when someone starts insisting that white is actually black, well, then we've officially lost the plot.
fadedsailor932 fadedsailor932 Active Member
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joined Oct 2004
#53 ·
mellowwalker22 said:!? For a split second, she just stared at me and goes—son, are you part of some cult!?!?!?

....or how her friend would put it: "Why isn't he one of us?"
Andrew Anderson6 Andrew Anderson6 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#54 ·
mellowwalker22 said:A person's digestive tract says enough on its own. What kind of United Nations nonsense is this? We aren't pigs, people... 🙄

Maybe if you actually had organs—you know, like a stomach, or a gallbladder, or an appendix—it would be different, but uuuuuuugh 🙂 🙂 🙂

Why is every vegan popping up in here acting so damn high and mighty??? 😁

Seriously though; someone already said it—eat whatever you want, just don't be an idiot. At least don't try to lecture us on biology and digestive anatomy if you clearly have no clue what you're talking about 🙂
Andrew Anderson6 Andrew Anderson6 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#55 ·
William Scott40 said:So I heard actual vegans—you know, the ones who don't touch a single animal amino acid—basically drop dead after three years. But hey, if that's your vibe, go for it. 😉

Laura Green8 said:That’s total nonsense! I know someone who hasn't touched meat in 15 years and they're doing great. They don't even use salt.

What does salt have to do with animal amino acids? Seriously? 😕 😁

And then there's William Scott40's follow-up—asking about eggs or milk—which, newsflash, still counts as animal protein...

Gonna head over to the Science forum to start a thread and see what the experts say. 👋 Found it; here we go...
lonescout2 lonescout2 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#56 ·
mellowwalker22 said:swiftcobra15
What kind of nonsense have you been swallowing lately? First off, let’s get one thing straight: a human being is a biological entity. The very structure of our digestive system says enough on its own. And don't even get me started on that United Nations talk—we aren't swine, for heaven's sake. Get a grip. 🙄

Purely hysterical! 😁
What absolute nonsense.
Look, I have no interest in getting into an argument with mellowwalker22. The guy is like a Duracell battery—he just never runs out of energy. 🙂 It’s just a matter of having a few more stomachs and eyes positioned right on the temples. 🙂)
Betty Bennett10 Betty Bennett10 Active Member
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joined May 2005
#57 ·
I heard that strict vegans—the kind who refuse to touch any amino acids derived from animals—basically drop dead within three years, so if that's your thing, be my guest.

Three years 😲 😲

In that case, I don't have much time left anyway 😢

So, goodbye, cruel world 😢
mellowwalker22 mellowwalker22 MemberOP
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joined Apr 2003
#58 ·
lonescout2 said:HAHA! 😁
What a load of nonsense.
Honestly, I wouldn't even bother arguing with mellowwalker22; he’s got more energy than a Duracell battery 🙂 (though, I suppose, he does have a few extra stomachs and eyes on his temples 🙂)

Seriously, though, looking at this person, they seem completely lost... constantly searching for themselves while their tail is curled right behind their back.🙂
mellowwalker22 mellowwalker22 MemberOP
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joined Apr 2003
#59 ·
Betty Bennett10 said:3 years 😲 😲

So I guess there isn't much left for me then 😢

Goodbye, world 😢


😁
Brian Williams Brian Williams Member
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joined Dec 2006
#60 ·
Anyone can claim to be part of the United Nations, but honestly, that doesn't really mean much without substance.

I think the real key is for everyone to take a hard look at what they’re actually putting on their plate.

If you start taking your health for granted, it’s eventually going to catch up with you and take you down.

For me, I'm vegan, and I feel pretty great 😍 even if I think the word itself is a bit silly.

I actually love eating a huge variety of things—lots of fruits, veggies, grains, and legumes (like soy and chickpeas, actually). There are so many different groups and ways to mix them all together. 🙂

And honestly, I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.

If anything, I'm just full of drive and energy. 🙂

There was one time I tried going back to dairy for just a single day 🙄 and I immediately started feeling sluggish, heavy, and just "foggy," so I jumped right back to my usual routine.

I've been vegan for about three, almost four years now...

I generally stay away from processed junk food—you know, stuff loaded with preservatives and additives—though I do eat bread (strictly whole grain). I prefer sticking to whole foods, avoiding added sugar, and I don't go too heavy on the spices either.

And I just stick to water. That's it.

Look, you don't necessarily have to become vegan or adopt any specific label, but if people just listen to their own nutritional needs, they might find themselves changing naturally...

Oh, and this whole thing about weight gain is total nonsense... if you aren't fueling yourself with useless junk, there's no way you're going to get overweight. It’s not really about how much you eat, it’s more about the quality of the food.

P.S. The only vegetarians I see eating unhealthily are the ones who eat very little or lack variety. It isn't just about eating some plants; you have to aim for balance, diversity, and actually do your research on nutrition to figure out what works for you.

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