Matthew Young35 said:Here:
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I honestly thought they weren't allowed to say anything at all—I mean the people actually pushing that kind of agenda. Not the ones fighting against it.
Larry Fox5 said:mah @ Veka
Vekjov, you're spot on regarding liberalism in the USA. You can't just look at one side—this country has everything from hardcore liberals to die-hard conservatives... It's not just Hollywood, regardless of how much media clout they hold.
Besides, I don't get why you won't see it—people aren't going to live in police states with constant surveillance, even if it means dealing with more terror.
Freedom comes with a price, sure, and yeah, maybe people have to bleed for it, but anything is better than having some "police state" monitoring every single move we make through our front doors.
Terrorist attacks are designed to strike fear into your soul—to make you feel unsafe just walking into a restaurant or a concert. The easiest way to beat them is to stop giving a damn about what they want. And you deal with a bully most easily by showing him you couldn't care less about his bullshit.
Look, I’ll say it again: where exactly did I claim that? All I did was mock those ridiculous stances. My point was simple—they have absolutely zero connection to reality, and they're the exact reason why the right wing has gained so much ground in those regions. Can we at least agree on that?
Besides, I just don't get why you refuse to see the obvious: people simply won't live in police states defined by constant surveillance. We aren't going to accept that level of control, even if it means dealing with more chaos.
Freedom isn't free. If that means paying the price in blood, then so be it. I’d much rather face that reality than deal with the government creeping into our lives through the back door with some "police state" surveillance nonsense.
Terrorist attacks are designed for one thing: to strike fear deep into people's bones. They want you feeling unsafe just stepping out to a restaurant or catching a concert. But you win that fight by refusing to give their tactics any weight. As for the bullies? You shut them down most effectively when you show them exactly how much you don't care.
Look, I’m not exactly out here campaigning for some kind of police state, but if you aren't familiar with how much time the cops in London spend on bureaucracy instead of actually patrolling the streets, you really need to do your homework. Some level of oversight is non-negotiable. Is it really "okay" with you that a specific minority moves into a city and brings along crime and terror that simply didn't exist before? Go ahead and tell the families of the murder victims and the survivors of sexual assault that this is just the "price of freedom." Everyone gets the right to move around freely, sure, but there have to be some adjustments made on both sides. In this country, we’ll end up with some kid going to prison because he learned some Nazi slogan or whatever nonsense, and suddenly there’s a massive media circus surrounding him—yet when it comes to actual terrorism, we won't even bother to comment? It's absurd.
Look, forgive me if this comes off as blunt, but your "solution" to terrorism and rising crime rates is basically just ignoring them? How exactly do you plan on staying indifferent when someone kills a family member or a close friend? To me, that sounds incredibly stupid. Surely you’ll try to do something differently or at least condemn it, rather than acting like it's just another normal part of life in New York City.
wiredfalcon2 said:You can't claim "I didn't say that" when you clearly did. Look, you even got a quote where you're basically saying certain things shouldn't be talked about. It's just like in Europe, where there's this same wave of cultural shifting toward the right—you've got Orban, Marine Le Pen, and all those types, claiming "you can't say anything anymore."
And now we've reached the part where you claim Hollywood has the most media power, which is obviously wrong. The real heavy hitter is the conservative Rupert Murdoch, who owns almost all the major media outlets in the USA. Then you've got the Koch brothers, who fund everything under the sun—also conservatives. The bottom line is, you're just talking nonsense. And you're talking nonsense because you're bothered by some tiny minority. And you want to "silence" this minority. This minority of "extreme liberals."
Go ahead, walk into the US Embassy tomorrow and try to get a visa. When they start asking you for every single document imaginable, let me know how those "extreme liberals" are supposedly running the USA and threatening the "normal order."
Bottom line: you're just pulling these facts out of thin air.
I already explained why I didn't say it. You’re still just spinning in circles, putting words in my mouth that I never uttered, flailing around without giving a single concrete answer. You're clearly an advocate for the kind of politics that will bring that "beloved" right wing back to power. Enjoy that!
