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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#12641 ·
Perhaps the core sentiment was simply this: "We aren't looking for those feminized, skinny hipsters sporting pink frames, tucked-in shirts, and perfectly manicured beards; we want the old-school, salt-of-the-earth guys—the ones with receding hairlines, heavy fur coats, and thick mustaches." ☕

Against modern homosexuality ☕

To build a gay icon 🤣 It would look something like this scene 🤣
urbanhawk17 urbanhawk17 Regular
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#12642 ·
brightpilot6 said:Perhaps the core sentiment was simply this: "We aren't looking for those feminized, skinny hipsters sporting pink frames, tucked-in shirts, and perfectly manicured beards; we want the old-school, salt-of-the-earth guys—the ones with receding hairlines, heavy fur coats, and thick mustaches." ☕

Against modern homosexuality ☕

To build a gay icon 🤣 It would look something like this scene 🤣

Just one single Borati 🙏 🙏
Paul Sanders5 Paul Sanders5 Regular
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#12643 ·
Sasha is alright. Even though he definitely clipped his kid, what an idiot ☕
Paul Martinez73 Paul Martinez73 Regular
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#12644 ·
wiredfalcon2 said:The guy was literally posing next to a swastika, and now you're asking me why it's not unfair to call him a fascist? 🤦 Honestly, it's wild how everyone here ignores the fact that besides two gay guys, a straight kid got burned too. What did those kids ever do to you? 🤷

I took a photo in front of Hajduk's crest—does that officially make me a Tovar? I’ve also got a shot from the museum standing next to the NAC Uniform, right by the memorial for the victims of the NAC regime... Am I a fascist or an anti-fascist? Honestly, I can't even tell anymore...
So, Davor Šuker was taking photos in front of Pavelic's grave... does that make him a Fascist?

Calling someone out based on a single photo without knowing the context is pretty reckless. It doesn't even matter for the performance itself, since I wasn't the one who built the puppets or set them on fire... I didn't even participate in that part. This whole thing affects an entire city.

The most intense part of this is that they’re supposedly burning a child and two gay men. No, let's be real—they're burning three dolls. Just two male dolls kissing and a doll of a child featuring Stazic's photo, which is clearly a jab implying it's an adult rather than a kid... But hey, you all just interpret everything however suits your own narrative anyway...

And who exactly are we supposed to be? I don't live in a small town like Imotski...
Larry Fox5 Larry Fox5 Regular
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#12645 ·
Noah Roberts46 said:You can't wipe it out entirely, but you can definitely scale it back. There are endless reasons why terrorist attacks happen—we could talk about it until tomorrow. But ignoring it, or refusing to condemn such attacks and acknowledge the obvious problems, is simply unacceptable.

I agree with the other part of the post. Larry Fox5, you live in Germany, don't you? From what I gather. I have friends and family over there, and they tell me people struggle with certain segments of the Muslim population because they act like they're still in their home country and show zero interest in adapting to the local culture. To be clear, I'm not saying this applies to the majority of Muslims. What I'm getting at is that they seem to face much harder integration hurdles than, say, other minorities living in Europe.

I was in Brussels a few years ago, and they literally have entire neighborhoods where the police are powerless. You see two Muslims fighting in the street and nobody reacts, even with a cop standing just two meters away. People are sleeping on the streets in front of storefronts and leaving piles of trash everywhere. One of the most beautiful cities in Europe has turned into a literal dump. Is it the same in Germany?

Now look, I'm not saying the state should just lock the doors and ban Muslims from entering. Not at all—especially since I understand how difficult it is for people fleeing wars caused by the imperialist policies of certain nations. In my hometown (think a mid-sized US city), a few families from Syria were settled, and their integration into our society has begun. I saw an article about it recently, and honestly, I think it's great; I'm happy for them. My point is simple: if you're going to invite a massive influx of people from a different culture into your country, do it smarter. If necessary, do it in smaller, more organized waves. Integrate them into society instead of just dumping them into isolated enclaves where they live separately from everyone else. Make it planned and make it high-quality. Obviously, their culture is vastly different from ours, but ignoring everything and letting whatever happens happen just because it's "progressive" is fundamentally wrong and leads nowhere.

@wiredfalcon2

It's great that you have a crystal ball and somehow know exactly what my life looks like and how I think. Please, keep going—watching you squirm is pure entertainment.

You can tell your relatives that those stories are nothing but fairy tales.

I know plenty of Muslims, and their assimilation into German society isn't any slower or faster than any other immigrant group—which, by the way, includes Americans.
The couple closest to me is a Turkish pair who are Alevis, btw. They've been married 40 years, an arranged marriage, originally from Anatolia. They have two daughters, college students aged 19 and 21.
They’re traditional believers, sure, but everyone eats pork and celebrates Christmas just like Catholics do. The girls dress exactly like any American girl would.

Almost every Muslim I know had an arranged marriage. To us, that sounds insane, but by the second generation—their kids—they already have total freedom of choice and don't stick to those strict traditions anymore. You also can't ignore where they're actually coming from. Take a quick trip to Istanbul and trust me, you'll be shocked. It feels no different from any other European city when it comes to how people dress, act, or live in the city. The thing is, most people moving to Western cities aren't coming from places like Istanbul; they're coming from the middle of nowhere where God hasn't even looked in ages.
It’s the same deal with Americans, too—you really think someone from Upper Merion took the same amount of time to adjust to life in Paris as someone coming straight from a major hub like Chicago?

Plus, you see a huge number of atheists among the Kurds. Their banned workers' party, the PKK, actually spread Marxist philosophy throughout the Kurdish community.
It’s a similar vibe with our folks who grew up through generations in Marshall's America.

Because of all these different perspectives, it’s totally wrong to view Muslims as one big homogenous group that’s all stuck in hardline conservatism and rejects other faiths.
Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
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#12646 ·
Patrick Martin said:So look, gay couples fought tooth and nail to be treated as equals in society, and now that they actually are, suddenly everything is "wrong" again. It’s hilarious how everyone else gets to wiggle out of their responsibilities, but they’re the only ones stuck holding the bag. Well, guess what? You wanted equality. You got it.

What's even the issue here? Why should they be treated any differently? They asked for equal rights, and they're finally getting them. 🤷

Because equality isn't just a free pass; it means you have to deal with both sides of the coin.

They want all the perks without any of the consequences, but that's just not how the world works, buddy. ☕

And where exactly is this "equality" coming from? The fact that they can't adopt a child? The fact that they can't even foster one despite what the court (!) basically told them?

Sure, and since it's standard practice to burn a doll belonging to someone trying to adopt or foster, I guess they have equality there too, right...

This post of yours is on the same level as yesterday's Elizabeth Mendoza.
Larry Fox5 Larry Fox5 Regular
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#12647 ·
Paul Martinez73 said:I took a photo in front of Hajduk's crest—does that officially make me a Tovar? I’ve also got a shot from the museum standing next to the NAC Uniform, right by the memorial for the victims of the NAC regime... Am I a fascist or an anti-fascist? Honestly, I can't even tell anymore...
So, Davor Šuker was taking photos in front of Pavelic's grave... does that make him a Fascist?

Calling someone out based on a single photo without knowing the context is pretty reckless. It doesn't even matter for the performance itself, since I wasn't the one who built the puppets or set them on fire... I didn't even participate in that part. This whole thing affects an entire city.

The most intense part of this is that they’re supposedly burning a child and two gay men. No, let's be real—they're burning three dolls. Just two male dolls kissing and a doll of a child featuring Stazic's photo, which is clearly a jab implying it's an adult rather than a kid... But hey, you all just interpret everything however suits your own narrative anyway...

And who exactly are we supposed to be? I don't live in a small town like Imotski...

Doesn't make him a fascist. He's "just" a degenerate...
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
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#12648 ·
So, how exactly are people who burn effigies of children and gay couples considered "human rights warriors"? Honestly, we're all doomed if these are the activists leading the charge. 🙏
driftingfox66 driftingfox66 Active Member
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#12649 ·
No clue why he was posing next to some creepy cult symbol 🤣 🙏
Paul Martinez73 Paul Martinez73 Regular
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#12650 ·
Larry Fox5 said:You can tell your relatives that those stories are nothing but fairy tales.

I know plenty of Muslims, and their assimilation into German society isn't any slower or faster than any other immigrant group—which, by the way, includes Americans.
The couple closest to me is a Turkish pair who are Alevis, btw. They've been married 40 years, an arranged marriage, originally from Anatolia. They have two daughters, college students aged 19 and 21.
They’re traditional believers, sure, but everyone eats pork and celebrates Christmas just like Catholics do. The girls dress exactly like any American girl would.

Almost every Muslim I know had an arranged marriage. To us, that sounds insane, but by the second generation—their kids—they already have total freedom of choice and don't stick to those strict traditions anymore. You also can't ignore where they're actually coming from. Take a quick trip to Istanbul and trust me, you'll be shocked. It feels no different from any other European city when it comes to how people dress, act, or live in the city. The thing is, most people moving to Western cities aren't coming from places like Istanbul; they're coming from the middle of nowhere where God hasn't even looked in ages.
It’s the same deal with Americans, too—you really think someone from Upper Merion took the same amount of time to adjust to life in Paris as someone coming straight from a major hub like Chicago?

Plus, you see a huge number of atheists among the Kurds. Their banned workers' party, the PKK, actually spread Marxist philosophy throughout the Kurdish community.
It’s a similar vibe with our folks who grew up through generations in Marshall's America.

Because of all these different perspectives, it’s totally wrong to view Muslims as one big homogenous group that’s all stuck in hardline conservatism and rejects other faiths.

I think you misunderstood what he was asking. He isn't asking about Turks (or any other immigrants) who arrived generations ago; he's talking about the new wave of immigrants. Even America itself admits it's having massive issues with assimilation and integration. Of course, that doesn't apply to the majority, but a huge percentage of the young, working-age immigrants in this recent wave are a drain on the community because they have zero desire to adapt to society.

When you're riding public transit, most people are on their phones or reading books, but then you get those people on hour-long video calls who are so loud that even if you're reading, there's no way you can concentrate. That's the bare minimum level of culture—not making phone calls so loudly that you disturb everyone else. Not that I want to go down that rabbit hole right now...

I'm emphasizing that this applies to this latest wave of immigrants, not the people who have been here for generations and arrived in different times for different reasons.
Paul Martinez73 Paul Martinez73 Regular
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#12651 ·
ruggedjackal46 said:So, how exactly are people who burn effigies of children and gay couples considered "human rights warriors"? Honestly, we're all doomed if these are the activists leading the charge. 🙏

Since when has Nenad Stazic been acting like a child?
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
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#12652 ·
driftingfox66 said:No clue why he was posing next to some creepy cult symbol 🤣 🙏

Taken completely out of context 🤣

That's what happens when people play dumb so convincingly that they eventually stop having to try at all.
wiredfalcon2 wiredfalcon2 Regular
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#12653 ·
Paul Martinez73 said:I took a photo in front of Hajduk's crest—does that officially make me a Tovar? I’ve also got a shot from the museum standing next to the NAC Uniform, right by the memorial for the victims of the NAC regime... Am I a fascist or an anti-fascist? Honestly, I can't even tell anymore...
So, Davor Šuker was taking photos in front of Pavelic's grave... does that make him a Fascist?

Calling someone out based on a single photo without knowing the context is pretty reckless. It doesn't even matter for the performance itself, since I wasn't the one who built the puppets or set them on fire... I didn't even participate in that part. This whole thing affects an entire city.

The most intense part of this is that they’re supposedly burning a child and two gay men. No, let's be real—they're burning three dolls. Just two male dolls kissing and a doll of a child featuring Stazic's photo, which is clearly a jab implying it's an adult rather than a kid... But hey, you all just interpret everything however suits your own narrative anyway...

And who exactly are we supposed to be? I don't live in a small town like Imotski...

Look, I agree context matters, but that’s exactly why it’s obvious this guy is a wannabe Fascist. Despite all your attempts at playing both sides. Besides the fact that he’s posing proudly next to a swastika, his profile features a photo of the old NDH national soccer team doing the Fascist salute. On the flip side, there’s zero description or any other photos showing the opposing view to prove it's "just a joke"—like your little stunt in front of the Hajduk crest. Comparing that to a museum exhibit is a massive reach.
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#12654 ·
And since Bujanec was photographed wearing a Nazi uniform with a swastika, does that automatically make him a Fascist? I mean, please, give me a break.
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#12655 ·
Paul Martinez73 said:Since when has Nenad Stazic been acting like a child?

From birth until they hit fourteen, I suppose.☕
Larry Fox5 Larry Fox5 Regular
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#12656 ·
Paul Martinez73 said:I think you misunderstood what he was asking. He isn't asking about Turks (or any other immigrants) who arrived generations ago; he's talking about the new wave of immigrants. Even America itself admits it's having massive issues with assimilation and integration. Of course, that doesn't apply to the majority, but a huge percentage of the young, working-age immigrants in this recent wave are a drain on the community because they have zero desire to adapt to society.

When you're riding public transit, most people are on their phones or reading books, but then you get those people on hour-long video calls who are so loud that even if you're reading, there's no way you can concentrate. That's the bare minimum level of culture—not making phone calls so loudly that you disturb everyone else. Not that I want to go down that rabbit hole right now...

I'm emphasizing that this applies to this latest wave of immigrants, not the people who have been here for generations and arrived in different times for different reasons.

You seriously think the folks who arrived 40 years ago just "integrated" in five months? No way—it took them time, and it takes time for new migrants too. As if some migrant from some backwater part of Afghanistan is just going to settle into life in Hamburg in a single year...
Like you can just click a button and suddenly everything is perfect harmony.
wiredfalcon2 wiredfalcon2 Regular
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#12657 ·
Larry Fox5 said:You seriously think the folks who arrived 40 years ago just "integrated" in five months? No way—it took them time, and it takes time for new migrants too. As if some migrant from some backwater part of Afghanistan is just going to settle into life in Hamburg in a single year...
Like you can just click a button and suddenly everything is perfect harmony.

A member of my extended family emigrated to Perth back in the nineties and even today he can barely grunt out two words of English. He just hangs out with "his own kind" and calls it a day. It's a personal choice. Then you've got others living in Canada who speak such flawless English you wouldn't even know if they were Canadian or not.
Paul Sanders5 Paul Sanders5 Regular
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#12658 ·
Listen, Larry Fox5, you’re really going off on immigrants and those classes they take where they basically teach them that a woman walking down the street in a miniskirt and a blouse doesn't mean she's looking for a hookup. Honestly, why even bother trying to integrate people like that? There's a whole world out there full of people who are actually a bit more reasonable than that.

Adopt the Canadian or Australian model ☕
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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#12659 ·
urbanhawk17 said:Just one single Borati 🙏 🙏

Honestly, this scene is way better
Paul Sanders5 Paul Sanders5 Regular
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#12660 ·
wiredfalcon2 said:A member of my extended family emigrated to Perth back in the nineties and even today he can barely grunt out two words of English. He just hangs out with "his own kind" and calls it a day. It's a personal choice. Then you've got others living in Canada who speak such flawless English you wouldn't even know if they were Canadian or not.

But seriously, how does that person even function in a country like that? Does he just have a personal translator following him around everywhere he goes? Or what? I don't get people. I'd personally deport him straight back to America.☕

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