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Participants Linda Price5Charles Fox10steelskipper5rustydrifter10Nicholas Kingbrightpumahollowtrucker77Megan Ruiz13amberdriver17Brian Rodriguez14brightcrane56Lisa Hernandez3John Davis12Laura Chavez93bluemason3Timothy Robinson2Aaron Harris2loneraven25redviper32Alex Barnes8Daniel White9slynomad14Lisa Rodriguez84Aaron Collins25 …
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#101 ·
A little bit of futurism here: if—or rather, when—some individual or group (from that persistent collection of clowns we deal with) decides to hire some high-priced, flashy lawyer to discreetly threaten a lawsuit and a subsequent media circus (which isn't even particularly likely, since such stunts are perfect self-promotion for the individual or organization involved), the MK policy will pivot by about three hundred and sixty degrees before you can even finish saying "defend the status quo." Until then, moderation will continue under the principle of, "Man, here we go again, they’re messing with us on PŽK again—I get it, I really do—but look, we have to do this, just keep it low profile so we don't make waves now and regret it later..."

The thing is, no matter how much we have to admit there is an enviable level of skill in the "I'm going to screw them over, but I can't prove it" department (think atomic bomb metaphors or funeral processions during discussions about Pride parades—of course, nobody actually wants anything bad to happen to the participants, because who would ever think of being that malicious 🙄), there is always some clumsy, half-baked attempt at camouflage. Take, for instance, this: "In order to protect ourselves from this vile disease, we won't just take to the streets; the streets will be orderly and become a safe extension of our own backyards where our children can grow up without having to stare at that queer FILTH!"—which, I suspect, would be incredibly difficult to prosecute as a call to clean up neighborhoods or pick up cigarette butts in the park.

To support my thesis regarding the instant course correction triggered by the mere threat of a serious lawsuit, I offer just two words: Robert Pauletić.
Megan Ruiz13 Megan Ruiz13 Active Member
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joined Apr 2016
#102 ·
Daniel White9 said:😂

Well... maybe it would be helpful if you actually took a moment to look up what feminism actually means, just so we can avoid these kinds of blunders.😁

MK constantly sees attacks from some sort of feminists... much like how the Church sees communists everywhere.😬


You're all feminists now.😬

Even this complaint is just an attack on the decent guys over at the men's corner—including a highly respected moderator there whom we all listen to and respect.😳

It’s always the feminists causing the drama. You're stirring up trouble again for no reason.

It’s honestly pointless. It happens because people don't get the point of the men's corner, so we end up fighting constantly.🙂
Daniel White9 Daniel White9 Member
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#103 ·
Megan Ruiz13 said:You're all feminists now.😬

Even this complaint is just an attack on the decent guys over at the men's corner—including a highly respected moderator there whom we all listen to and respect.😳

It’s always the feminists causing the drama. You're stirring up trouble again for no reason.

It’s honestly pointless. It happens because people don't get the point of the men's corner, so we end up fighting constantly.🙂

And what about the moderator, Aaron Harris2?
He shut the thread down because it was inciting violence. 😁
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#104 ·
Megan Ruiz13 said:Time to give you the view from the muški kutak...😳

And there they go again, the feminists are attacking. 🤷

Honestly, with this kind of PMS-driven feminism, the mods and regular guys on this forum are fighting battles every single day.

Scanning through the subforum, I’ve realized that censorship in the muški kutak only seems to target the moody feminists. Everyone else can blather on all they want until they drive my respected colleagues crazy... and then what? You're left with nothing.🤷

Look, if you can't handle some guy banter, just shut down the muški kutak entirely....

And regarding those gay topics—come on. This is the muški kutak: grabbing beers, watching TV, porn, boobs, hookers... and then suddenly, "oh, let's bring in the gay topics or we'll be violating someone's rights." Give me a break...🙄

Just open a separate subforum for gay people and call it a day. 🤷

Feminists have their own space, but nooooooo, they just *have* to invade the muški kutak....😁

That’s the kind of nonsense going on over there.

So, let me get this straight—you're claiming that the sentence "danas dijete malo tući" from your deleted (and I have to wonder, was it even a real post or just some cartoonish nonsense?) post is somehow just "male banter"?

I am actually laughing out loud here.
Megan Ruiz13 Megan Ruiz13 Active Member
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#105 ·
Daniel White9 said:And what about the moderator, Aaron Harris2?
He shut the thread down because it was inciting violence. 😁

He clearly didn't know what he was talking about. You guys jumped to conclusions way too fast. Who knows what was going through his head—thinking we’re out here torturing little kids or that there are even any deaths involved? 🤣 😁

Every once in a while, you get some random newcomers who lose their minds the second they wander into the guys' section. They have zero clue about the history here or the nuances of the community. They don't know the regulars—most of whom are just decent guys who enjoy the kind of low-key, chauvinistic banter that actually fits this corner of the forum. 🙂

If I recall correctly, we have a few ladies here who are regulars and actually know their way around a kitchen when it comes to making a good pie. 😁And they don't even have any issues. 🤷

Look, I’m saying it again: you're overreacting. You've crucified this guy over absolutely nothing. It's total nonsense... so much for your feminism. Honestly, what a joke. 🙂
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#106 ·
bluemason3 said:No, that’s not the issue. Your problem is like someone who gets as sensitive about jokes about historical tragedies as a nationalist would be. Overreacting to your own situation distorts your perception of what was clearly meant as a joke—something everyone else understood was just a joke.

Women should be banned from visiting this site. For goodness' sake. 🙄

What kind of jokes and nonsense are you even talking about?

The writers here who are actually advocating for physical punishment—they aren't just joking around. They keep doubling down on their positions with this deadly serious tone, too. It’s almost unsettling; they aren't even attempting to turn these arguments into some kind of satire or a joke to lighten the mood. They mean every word.
Lisa Rodriguez84 Lisa Rodriguez84 Active Member
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#107 ·
steelskipper5 said:Honestly, this is more of an issue with the education system than anything else.

All the data shows we’re living in the least violent era in human history.

Sure, but we're also wealthier than ever before. Obviously, kids weren't walking into classrooms with smartphones twenty years ago because they didn't exist.
But look, if a teacher can ban calculators on a math test (unless it's advanced calculus), they can certainly ban phones. The real issue is the incompetent, clueless teachers who fail to actually enforce those rules. And hey, it's their absolute right to do so.
We shouldn't be whining, "Oh, kids these days, everyone needs an iPhone and all this tech." They need them, sure, but they also need to know how to actually *use* them properly. As for filming during class and dumping it on YouTube? That should be punished—it's just that our laws were written back when none of this stuff even existed. 😁
brightpuma brightpuma Active Member
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#108 ·
Linda Price5 said:And apparently, they're allowed to eat ice cream whenever they feel like it, too. According to the fine print.

Alex Barnes8 said:Excessive punishment isn't allowed, since anyone could easily cross the line into extreme or improper manipulation.
It’s not the same thing to ban a kid from going outside for one day versus locking them in the house for three months (or banning them from leaving entirely, which has happened in those pathological cases), using the same excuse.

I don't think the law prohibits occasionally banning cartoons or video games.

And besides, parenting isn't just about punishment. 🤷

Violence Against Women Act

Domestic violence includes any form of physical, psychological, sexual, or economic abuse, specifically:

– physical violence, meaning any application of physical force regardless of whether an injury occurred,

– corporal punishment and other ways of treating children in a degrading manner under the guise of discipline,

– psychological violence, meaning the use of mental coercion that causes fear, vulnerability, anxiety, or loss of dignity; this includes verbal abuse, verbal attacks, insults, swearing, name-calling, or any other form of harsh verbal harassment, stalking, or harassment through any communication means, electronic or print media, or by communicating with third parties, unlawful isolation or restricting freedom of movement (referred to hereafter as stalking and harassment),

– sexual violence, meaning sexual harassment,

– economic violence, which involves damaging or destroying personal or joint property, or preventing or attempting to prevent the use of personal or joint property, as well as withholding rights or preventing access to personal income or assets earned through work or inheritance, obstructing employment or work, forcing economic dependency, or withholding funds necessary for household maintenance or care for children and other dependents within the household.
Lisa Rodriguez84 Lisa Rodriguez84 Active Member
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joined Jul 2006
#109 ·
brightpuma said:Violence Against Women Act

Domestic violence includes any form of physical, psychological, sexual, or economic abuse, specifically:

– physical violence, meaning any application of physical force regardless of whether an injury occurred,

– corporal punishment and other ways of treating children in a degrading manner under the guise of discipline,

– psychological violence, meaning the use of mental coercion that causes fear, vulnerability, anxiety, or loss of dignity; this includes verbal abuse, verbal attacks, insults, swearing, name-calling, or any other form of harsh verbal harassment, stalking, or harassment through any communication means, electronic or print media, or by communicating with third parties, unlawful isolation or restricting freedom of movement (referred to hereafter as stalking and harassment),

– sexual violence, meaning sexual harassment,

– economic violence, which involves damaging or destroying personal or joint property, or preventing or attempting to prevent the use of personal or joint property, as well as withholding rights or preventing access to personal income or assets earned through work or inheritance, obstructing employment or work, forcing economic dependency, or withholding funds necessary for household maintenance or care for children and other dependents within the household.

So, let me get this straight: banning someone from going out—you know, actually hitting the bars, grabbing a smoke, dancing, or just hanging with the crew until 5 AM—is considered breaking the law now? Are we really at the point where a parent has to let their kid go wherever they want, whenever they feel like it, just to stay legal?
It’s the same story every single time: if a kid can't even step foot out the door without cash in their pocket, then the parent is basically on the hook to fund it. They just have to cough up the money.

🍿
Blocking someone from using their own property—or even just trying to pull that stunt—is a massive red flag. It’s a blatant attempt to strip away someone's autonomy and control over what they rightfully own. Taking away someone's right to control their own paycheck or the property they earned through hard work or inheritance—that’s abuse. Forcing someone into economic dependency by blocking them from working or withholding the money needed to run a household and take care of the kids? That's just another way to exert control. It's all part of the same pattern.

Look, a smartphone, a laptop, or any other gadget isn't exactly a fundamental right for a kid—not like freedom, food, or basic necessities. And while we're on the subject, does anyone know if there's anything written here regarding property earned through one's own labor? 🤔
Kids earning their own money? Is that even a thing anymore? 😲
Alex Barnes8 Alex Barnes8 Active Member
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#110 ·
brightpuma said:Violence Against Women Act

Domestic violence includes any form of physical, psychological, sexual, or economic abuse, specifically:

– physical violence, meaning any application of physical force regardless of whether an injury occurred,

– corporal punishment and other ways of treating children in a degrading manner under the guise of discipline,

– psychological violence, meaning the use of mental coercion that causes fear, vulnerability, anxiety, or loss of dignity; this includes verbal abuse, verbal attacks, insults, swearing, name-calling, or any other form of harsh verbal harassment, stalking, or harassment through any communication means, electronic or print media, or by communicating with third parties, unlawful isolation or restricting freedom of movement (referred to hereafter as stalking and harassment),

– sexual violence, meaning sexual harassment,

– economic violence, which involves damaging or destroying personal or joint property, or preventing or attempting to prevent the use of personal or joint property, as well as withholding rights or preventing access to personal income or assets earned through work or inheritance, obstructing employment or work, forcing economic dependency, or withholding funds necessary for household maintenance or care for children and other dependents within the household.

Exactly what I said.
Obviously, you aren't allowed to unlawfully isolate a child or restrict their freedom of movement. I guess that goes without saying.

I guess I'm just wondering what exactly you find so strange about this.

If that weren't explicitly stated, I guess some parents would probably just keep their kids locked up at home for a hundred years.
Some people probably shouldn't be allowed out in public at all. I guess.
We all knew people who were never allowed to go anywhere. It was pure abuse, really, and I guess it just stunted their social and personal growth.

Every single detail needs to be documented. I guess if things get misused, there should at least be a paper trail for reporting.
brightpuma brightpuma Active Member
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#111 ·
Lisa Rodriguez84 said:So, let me get this straight: banning someone from going out—you know, actually hitting the bars, grabbing a smoke, dancing, or just hanging with the crew until 5 AM—is considered breaking the law now? Are we really at the point where a parent has to let their kid go wherever they want, whenever they feel like it, just to stay legal?
It’s the same story every single time: if a kid can't even step foot out the door without cash in their pocket, then the parent is basically on the hook to fund it. They just have to cough up the money.

🍿
Blocking someone from using their own property—or even just trying to pull that stunt—is a massive red flag. It’s a blatant attempt to strip away someone's autonomy and control over what they rightfully own. Taking away someone's right to control their own paycheck or the property they earned through hard work or inheritance—that’s abuse. Forcing someone into economic dependency by blocking them from working or withholding the money needed to run a household and take care of the kids? That's just another way to exert control. It's all part of the same pattern.

Look, a smartphone, a laptop, or any other gadget isn't exactly a fundamental right for a kid—not like freedom, food, or basic necessities. And while we're on the subject, does anyone know if there's anything written here regarding property earned through one's own labor? 🤔
Kids earning their own money? Is that even a thing anymore? 😲

It’s a bit of both. Under Family Law, a parent can technically bar a kid under 16 from being out late at night—say, between 10 PM and 5 AM, if I recall correctly—but they can't really stop them from going out entirely.

A phone, a laptop, or anything like that isn't exactly a basic right for a kid. It’s not like freedom or food, you know? Those are different. Also, does it say anything here about property earned through one's own work? 🤔
Kids earning their own money? 😲

The law generally applies to everyone in the household. It covers both the adults bringing home the paycheck and the kids. It doesn't make a distinction between the two. Based on what’s written here, withholding things like the TV, a computer, or a phone counts as violence too. Isn't that right?
brightpuma brightpuma Active Member
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#112 ·
Alex Barnes8 said:Exactly what I said.
Obviously, you aren't allowed to unlawfully isolate a child or restrict their freedom of movement. I guess that goes without saying.

I guess I'm just wondering what exactly you find so strange about this.

If that weren't explicitly stated, I guess some parents would probably just keep their kids locked up at home for a hundred years.
Some people probably shouldn't be allowed out in public at all. I guess.
We all knew people who were never allowed to go anywhere. It was pure abuse, really, and I guess it just stunted their social and personal growth.

Every single detail needs to be documented. I guess if things get misused, there should at least be a paper trail for reporting.

There isn't really an in-between here. It's one or the other... and restricting someone's freedom includes things like banning them from going out and stuff like that... 👍
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#113 ·
Has the happy hour trolling squad officially clocked in? I mean, if the house is buying, I might as well join the party... 🙂

I truly admire the sheer brilliance behind this strategy—shifting the focus by (and I know, totally off-topic here) ironically mocking children's rights and liberties just to pull the spotlight away from Charles Fox10’s completely inappropriate and incompetent "moderation," not to mention those even more egregious outbursts we've seen in this thread. It’s a touching display of male solidarity, really.

By the way, it’s just lovely how the moderator has decided to label any attempt to bring a thread back in line with the forum rules as "sterilizing the topic" 😁.
Alex Barnes8 Alex Barnes8 Active Member
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#114 ·
Lisa Rodriguez84 said:So, let me get this straight: banning someone from going out—you know, actually hitting the bars, grabbing a smoke, dancing, or just hanging with the crew until 5 AM—is considered breaking the law now? Are we really at the point where a parent has to let their kid go wherever they want, whenever they feel like it, just to stay legal?
It’s the same story every single time: if a kid can't even step foot out the door without cash in their pocket, then the parent is basically on the hook to fund it. They just have to cough up the money.

🍿
Blocking someone from using their own property—or even just trying to pull that stunt—is a massive red flag. It’s a blatant attempt to strip away someone's autonomy and control over what they rightfully own. Taking away someone's right to control their own paycheck or the property they earned through hard work or inheritance—that’s abuse. Forcing someone into economic dependency by blocking them from working or withholding the money needed to run a household and take care of the kids? That's just another way to exert control. It's all part of the same pattern.

Look, a smartphone, a laptop, or any other gadget isn't exactly a fundamental right for a kid—not like freedom, food, or basic necessities. And while we're on the subject, does anyone know if there's anything written here regarding property earned through one's own labor? 🤔
Kids earning their own money? Is that even a thing anymore? 😲

You think what we've been doing for over 20 years is suddenly wrong?
People have been staying out until 5 AM forever. 🤷

I don't really get why every generation acts so shocked and starts acting like everything is brand new. 🙄

A phone or a laptop isn't something a kid is entitled to, unlike basic freedom, food, or things like that. And there's some mention here about property earned through one's own work? 🤔 What about kids who earn their own money?
😲

Some kids go to trade schools and do internships. They actually make some cash there.
Robert Hall7 Robert Hall7 Active Member
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#115 ·
Lisa Rodriguez84 said:So, let me get this straight: banning someone from going out—you know, actually hitting the bars, grabbing a smoke, dancing, or just hanging with the crew until 5 AM—is considered breaking the law now? Are we really at the point where a parent has to let their kid go wherever they want, whenever they feel like it, just to stay legal?
It’s the same story every single time: if a kid can't even step foot out the door without cash in their pocket, then the parent is basically on the hook to fund it. They just have to cough up the money.

🍿
Blocking someone from using their own property—or even just trying to pull that stunt—is a massive red flag. It’s a blatant attempt to strip away someone's autonomy and control over what they rightfully own. Taking away someone's right to control their own paycheck or the property they earned through hard work or inheritance—that’s abuse. Forcing someone into economic dependency by blocking them from working or withholding the money needed to run a household and take care of the kids? That's just another way to exert control. It's all part of the same pattern.

Look, a smartphone, a laptop, or any other gadget isn't exactly a fundamental right for a kid—not like freedom, food, or basic necessities. And while we're on the subject, does anyone know if there's anything written here regarding property earned through one's own labor? 🤔
Kids earning their own money? Is that even a thing anymore? 😲


So, by any chance, am I forbidden from demanding my offspring come home at the agreed-upon time because that would be "violating" their rights?

Drinking and smoking? So, if my seventeen-year-old daughter rolls in completely wasted, am I supposed to greet her with a smile, clean up her mess, and just stay quiet if she starts throwing insults because she's too drunk to recognize her own mother? I have to provide food, pay for school, and ensure they're decently clothed, but they DON'T HAVE TO SMOKE. I'm not buying cigarettes. If I refuse to fund their habit, am I violating their rights again? It should never cross my mind as a parent to skip asking: where, with whom, why, and what was all that money spent on. Let's be real, money doesn't grow on trees.

Withholding money? Hold on a second. People can barely afford bread, yet they're telling me I have to finance every outing and hand over as much cash as a kid demands, otherwise it's considered abuse or financial mistreatment? Where did everyone go?

Kids have rights, but they have responsibilities too. Everyone seems to go silent when it comes to obligations. So, if I can't drive my kid somewhere because I don't have gas money, am I automatically an abuser? Or if my kid acts out at school and teachers are constantly complaining about their behavior, don't I have the right to say "no going out" until those grades improve and the attitude changes?

Property acquired through joint labor? What are we even talking about here? On the flip side, if a kid does something for their parents and gets a little help in return, you call it exploitation. Where's the part about teaching work ethic? Just asking.
Alex Barnes8 Alex Barnes8 Active Member
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#116 ·
brightpuma said:It’s a bit of both. Under Family Law, a parent can technically bar a kid under 16 from being out late at night—say, between 10 PM and 5 AM, if I recall correctly—but they can't really stop them from going out entirely.

A phone, a laptop, or anything like that isn't exactly a basic right for a kid. It’s not like freedom or food, you know? Those are different. Also, does it say anything here about property earned through one's own work? 🤔
Kids earning their own money? 😲

The law generally applies to everyone in the household. It covers both the adults bringing home the paycheck and the kids. It doesn't make a distinction between the two. Based on what’s written here, withholding things like the TV, a computer, or a phone counts as violence too. Isn't that right?

So what's the issue? 🤷

The law generally applies to all family members, whether they're working adults or kids. It doesn't really make a distinction there. Based on what's been said, withholding things like the TV, a computer, or a phone would also count as violence.

So be it.
If it's excessive and lacks any real reason, then that kind of punishment is basically just mistreating the child.
☕
Lisa Rodriguez84 Lisa Rodriguez84 Active Member
175 messages
joined Jul 2006
#117 ·
Alex Barnes8 said:You think what we've been doing for over 20 years is suddenly wrong?
People have been staying out until 5 AM forever. 🤷

I don't really get why every generation acts so shocked and starts acting like everything is brand new. 🙄

A phone or a laptop isn't something a kid is entitled to, unlike basic freedom, food, or things like that. And there's some mention here about property earned through one's own work? 🤔 What about kids who earn their own money?
😲

Some kids go to trade schools and do internships. They actually make some cash there.

Look, going out isn't the issue—socializing is great. But when you look at the legal side of things, there’s a line parents just can't cross regarding their kids' freedom. Sure, a minor under 18 isn't legally allowed to buy alcohol or cigarettes—even if they're probably doing it anyway—but that's secondary. The real issue here is parents trying to lock their kids away and forbid them from leaving the house entirely.

Honestly, kids should just head straight into vocational schools and get some hands-on internship experience. At least that way, they’re actually earning some money while they learn a trade instead of just racking up debt.

That’s a whole different story. But look, if we’re really talking about violence, let’s talk about what happens when you don't buy a kid every single thing they demand at Target. You know exactly how they act in the middle of the aisle when you say no to the candy. Now *that* is true violence!
You shell out a few thousand bucks to get him an iPhone, then you’re stuck footing the bill for the monthly data plan, too. $83Honestly, if a kid messes up, you take away their iPhone and suddenly everyone starts screaming about violence. Give me a break. 😉

Look, I'm fully aware that most of what I post is total nonsense, but my point is this: laws can be twisted to mean just about whatever you want them to. So, let's have some fun with it, folks! 🙂
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#118 ·
brightpuma said:It’s a bit of both. Under Family Law, a parent can technically bar a kid under 16 from being out late at night—say, between 10 PM and 5 AM, if I recall correctly—but they can't really stop them from going out entirely.

A phone, a laptop, or anything like that isn't exactly a basic right for a kid. It’s not like freedom or food, you know? Those are different. Also, does it say anything here about property earned through one's own work? 🤔
Kids earning their own money? 😲

The law generally applies to everyone in the household. It covers both the adults bringing home the paycheck and the kids. It doesn't make a distinction between the two. Based on what’s written here, withholding things like the TV, a computer, or a phone counts as violence too. Isn't that right?

I'm not an expert on the law, but I have this nagging feeling that it actually prohibits kids from being out unsupervised during those hours without parental permission.🤔

Or am I just getting things mixed up?🤔
brightpuma brightpuma Active Member
128 messages
joined Jun 2024
#119 ·
Alex Barnes8 said:So what's the issue? 🤷

The law generally applies to all family members, whether they're working adults or kids. It doesn't really make a distinction there. Based on what's been said, withholding things like the TV, a computer, or a phone would also count as violence.

So be it.
If it's excessive and lacks any real reason, then that kind of punishment is basically just mistreating the child.
☕

It’s pretty obvious you don't have kids of your own to be asking stuff like this... 🤷 at least not any old enough to actually be out in the world yet.
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 Regular
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joined Mar 2009
#120 ·
Decide for yourselves if this much noise is actually necessary or just a distraction. I’m bringing up the discussion from Psychology here.

If you have a moment, skim the last three pages. It should give you plenty to chew on. If you're feeling particularly curious, check out the Survey—it shows 33% of users support some form of disciplinary action for kids. Since the survey is public, we even know who's who.

The thread is over 30 pages long, about a year and a half old, and still going.

Did some people miss it? Even those participating here who had something to say, yet were pointed toward the original thread right now.

Given the interest, I expect similarly spirited comments on both the MK thread and the one on Psychology.

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