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Can someone explain how the banning process works?

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mellowfalcon26 mellowfalcon26 NewcomerOP
2 messages
joined Mar 2011
#1 ·
So, how many points do you actually "need" to rack up before you get tossed into the ban corner?
I'm sitting at 35 right now😁, just so I know what to look out for down the road.
casuallynx8 casuallynx8 Member
49 messages
joined May 2012
#2 ·
You need 100 points before you get sent to the ban corner for three days.
mellowfalcon26 mellowfalcon26 NewcomerOP
2 messages
joined Mar 2011
#3 ·
So, we’re looking at three rounds of 35 days, followed by a 3-day break

What kind of ban durations are actually on the table here? I mean, how many days are we talking about exactly?
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#4 ·
Right here you can find more info regarding those cardboard boxes. 🙂
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#5 ·
Hey, my clone, you know exactly how this all works
Jeffrey Cooper7 Jeffrey Cooper7 Active Member
55 messages
joined Jan 2011
#6 ·
No way, no way, no way... why on earth did I get slapped with a partial ban over on the Offtopic forum? 🤷
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
67 messages
joined May 2007
#7 ·
I sent you an explanation via PM.
Jeffrey Cooper7 Jeffrey Cooper7 Active Member
55 messages
joined Jan 2011
#8 ·
Did you even read what you just wrote? You’re giving me a partial ban just because of some trolling and "disrespectful behavior"? Give me a break—in the last two months, I’ve picked up three whole cards for trolling and one warning for being off-topic, and that’s enough for you to pull the trigger on a partial ban? Seriously, people have been way worse over on the alternative boards and never even got a slap on the wrist, though they were definitely warned. And I stopped! The thing is, I never got a single heads-up here that I was on the verge of a partial ban if I kept going. That’s just not fair, mistywolf17. And what exactly counts as "disrespectful behavior" here anyway? Is it because of that one little comment about kissing your precious butts a bit less? No way. I want an explanation from hollowtrucker77, and honestly, go ahead and call in all the regulars from the US subforum so they can tell you what they think about my supposed rudeness, vulgarity, and trolling. It’s pretty obvious I just stepped on your toes a little, mistywolf17, and now you’re taking it out on me, which isn't right. If you keep this up, you’re going to drive away everyone who actually hangs out in this subforum... not that you haven't already chased them off by moving the chat around...☕
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
67 messages
joined May 2007
#9 ·
Don't make this difficult. The US moderators have reached a consensus regarding your partial ban, and believe me, we don't hand those out lightly or without good reason. I have personally warned you numerous times within various threads and via private message, yet your only response was to troll. Always. I have never received a single constructive or sane reply from you. You have consistently attacked and mocked specific forum members, refusing to stop even after being cautioned, and then you had the nerve to start leaving notes on my posts. Is that not blatant disrespect? Well, I am sorry, but it's too late now; there is no debating this decision. The authority lies with the moderators, not with whatever buddies you might have on the sub-forums.
Jeffrey Cooper7 Jeffrey Cooper7 Active Member
55 messages
joined Jan 2011
#10 ·
It’s honestly hilarious how everything I say gets labeled as trolling. I swear, every single post I made on that subforum was treated like a troll attempt—even when I was just asking for help on a thread that wasn't even mine, or even back when I was looking for advice on how to ask a girl out. Apparently, every bit of advice I offer is just "trolling" to you guys. I don't get why none of the other moderators over there called me out instead of just you being the sole person hitting me with this. Seriously, tell me, what is it about me that bugs you so much? I have never personally insulted you, and that one comment I made about butt-kissing was literally my first time ever taking a jab at a moderator.
I want a final ruling from the Admin himself, not from those of you acting as mid-level mods; I want to hear directly from the top what kind of insults or mockery I supposedly dumped onto the Lonely Heart subforum. I want to know exactly how much of this "trolling" I've allegedly done, and why I’m getting hit with a partial ban when it was way less severe than stuff people were doing over on the Alternative subforum. It feels like no matter how I spin it, my posts are going to be branded as trolling. So, I am asking the ADMIN to actually go read those posts on the Lonely Heart subforum, so he can see for himself how my questions and advice could possibly be considered trolling.

And I have to say, if a partial ban was going to happen, there should have been a warning first. None of the warnings I received mentioned anything about the possibility of a partial ban, and it’s nowhere to be found in your rules. It basically feels like it just depends on whatever mood a moderator is in when they decide to hand out partial bans.☕
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
67 messages
joined May 2007
#11 ·
I honestly don't understand why various trolls assume they can just mess with people who spend their free time moderating this forum to make things better for everyone. I also don't get why you trolls think you need special requests or warnings before receiving a partial ban, especially when you know exactly what you're doing and respond to every warning with even more trolling.
And now you're bragging about how much more you've trolled elsewhere. Truly wonderful. This is what being accountable for your actions—and your posts—actually looks like. Just accept it. A partial ban happens, for instance, if you overdo the trolling or insults, go off-topic too much, ignore multiple warnings, get carded, get banned, or if users keep complaining about your posts while you just keep doing the same thing. Conditions met. No more warnings. There is no US for you. It's over. Goodbye.

If it makes it easier for you to understand, here is the answer in your own terms -> yes, a partial ban happens whenever a moderator decides it's time, and well, I finally decided it was time. Bye bye. ☕
Jeffrey Cooper7 Jeffrey Cooper7 Active Member
55 messages
joined Jan 2011
#12 ·
Look, every single mod and admin here can look through my post history whenever they feel like it, so they can judge for themselves if I'm actually trolling to death, being insulting, or just cluttering up the Offtopic forum. By the way, back on the alternative forum, I wasn't even trolling; it was just this massive blowout over a thread about chemtrails where people were throwing everything at each other, so getting penalized was totally fair. Once things hit a certain point, Beljki told me straight up that if he caught me breaking rules with insults or whatever next time, I’d get a partial ban from the alternative subforum, so I backed off. It was a fair warning. But you didn't give me any warnings like that—not you, not brightridge59, not mistypanther, and not Brandon Castillo—and there isn't even a rule stating that constant trolling or off-topic posting leads to a ban; it's nowhere to be found. It feels like whenever you decide to come for me (and yeah, I'm calling you out because you're basically the one who handed me most of my cards), you just hand out partial bans without a word of warning. Honestly, I get the feeling that even if I promise—just like I promised on the alternative forum—that I won't do it again, it won't really change your mind anyway...☕

Anyway, I'll just wait for the admin, hollowtrucker77, to weigh in; I want to hear from someone who actually holds more authority than you do. 😉
brightridge59 brightridge59 Active Member
85 messages
joined Jun 2011
#13 ·
And who do you think actually greenlit this partial ban?

I am in complete agreement with mistywolf17 on this one. You were given plenty of warnings and had already faced sanctions—if you just look at the page history and the moderation logs, it’s all right there—but you simply chose to tune everything out.

Do you really believe the moderators exist solely to hand out bans? A ban can be issued at any moment without needing a formal strike first. Those strikes serve as both a warning and a penalty, acting as a signal that you ignored every single time.

Furthermore, issuing a prior warning before a partial ban isn't a strict requirement; it's entirely optional depending on the situation.
Jeffrey Cooper7 Jeffrey Cooper7 Active Member
55 messages
joined Jan 2011
#14 ·
So, from December of last year until February of this year, my record was totally clean, even though I was pretty active during those two months or so. Then February hits and suddenly I’ve got 11 strikes on my account—three of which were supposedly for trolling. Honestly, those three "trolling" strikes just go to prove that whole point mistywolf17 made about me constantly trolling that subforum; I mean, seriously, three strikes. The rest were for being off-topic, including eight in a single day all on the exact same thread, so what does that actually say to you? 🤷 All these little things happened over the last couple of months, and now I get slapped with a partial ban. Just lovely. And please, don't try to pull the "we overlooked a few posts" excuse to justify why there weren't more penalties. If that were true, you would have sanctioned them immediately instead of acting like mistywolf17 and handing out strikes seven days later—not just to me, but to everyone else involved. It's basically retroactive punishment, which just proves how inactive the mods are on that subforum, even though there are four of you. Oh, wait, my bad, you're brightridge59 and you've got the LJES to deal with too, so I guess it's a massive workload, right? 🙂
At this point, I’m sitting here wondering: if there was supposedly so much insulting and trolling going on, why wasn't I penalized for those things earlier? Maybe you moderators all operate on totally different sets of criteria where some of you spot my "annoying trolling" and others just... don't? If you all actually used the same rulebook, I could have easily been flagged by both Brandon Castillo4 and mistypanther, who barely even hangs out there anymore anyway.
And finally, it’s pretty obvious why you didn't bother warning me about a potential partial ban (which is honestly just rude); I clearly get under your skin so much that this was the only way you could stop me from ever posting there again.
I actually wanted to apologize for being such a headache and promised I wouldn't do it again, but looking at this, it seems you guys are just too stubborn to take anything into account—especially since mistywolf17 has decided I'm the ultimate troll. Also, I really don't get why my request to appeal the bans in the ban corner was rejected. Like, seriously, how is that even allowed? 🤷

p.s. I can't help but wonder, just how many people actually can't stand me? Besides you four, I know for a fact there are at least three others, while everyone else stays quiet because they think I'm insulting or belittling them...☕
brightridge59 brightridge59 Active Member
85 messages
joined Jun 2011
#15 ·
Regarding your "only" 11 warnings 😁, did it ever occur to you that you might have been treated more leniently in the past because the moderators were actually trying to be reasonable with you?

Brandon Castillo4 and mistypanther haven't spent a huge amount of time over on the moderator sub-forum, so they might not have crossed paths with you just yet. 🙂 Not everyone approaches moderation with the exact same style or intensity, but there was a general consensus among us regarding a partial ban.

As for my activity in other sections of the site, that’s really none of your business, and honestly, by throwing these provocations around, you're just digging yourself into an even deeper hole.

If you're looking to appeal the restriction on posting in the KZB, you'll need to take that up directly with the admins.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#16 ·
You don't have a ban on the KZB, so what on earth are you talking about??
Jeffrey Cooper7 Jeffrey Cooper7 Active Member
55 messages
joined Jan 2011
#17 ·
brightridge59 said:Regarding your "only" 11 warnings 😁, did it ever occur to you that you might have been treated more leniently in the past because the moderators were actually trying to be reasonable with you?

Brandon Castillo4 and mistypanther haven't spent a huge amount of time over on the moderator sub-forum, so they might not have crossed paths with you just yet. 🙂 Not everyone approaches moderation with the exact same style or intensity, but there was a general consensus among us regarding a partial ban.

As for my activity in other sections of the site, that’s really none of your business, and honestly, by throwing these provocations around, you're just digging yourself into an even deeper hole.

If you're looking to appeal the restriction on posting in the KZB, you'll need to take that up directly with the admins.

Got off easy? Yeah, a ban is honestly a light punishment. Look, I genuinely don't get how all my posts are supposedly trolling so hard that I have to rack up strikes—I seriously don't see it. I actually went back and read most of my own stuff, and I’m just sitting here wondering where the hell the "trolling" is supposed to be. Like, which specific words are you guys flagging as trolling? Sure, sometimes I wander into off-topic territory and get a strike, so I stop, but anyway, we're starting to move all the off-topic chatter over to the Offtopic forum so the good people can chill out without having to play cop every five seconds. You guys are turning that subforum into something with restrictions tighter than the Chinese government. Just realize that sometimes people go off-topic, even by accident, but then there's intentional off-topic spamming which gets punished, and that's totally fair. You guys aren't above it either—oh no you aren't—even you drift off-topic for a bit now and then, but you don't get hit for it since you're the moderators. And I'm not provoking anyone; I just want straight answers. I have zero reason to stir the pot because I'm not a provocateur. Besides, I can't exactly dig myself a deeper hole if you've already buried me with this partial ban that I obviously can't shake (unless one day you decide to 🙂).
Look, as someone who's pretty active in this subforum, I'm just asking you guys to give me one more shot; I'm not asking for anything else.
hollowtrucker77 said:You don't have a ban on the KZB, so what on earth are you talking about??

Hmm, then why the hell was I getting that "you don't have permissions" message the whole time (damn, I should've copied the error, but whatever)?
Anyway, I'd love to hear your take on this too, since it feels like you haven't really read it, so let me refresh your memory. ☕
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#18 ·
I guess that’s just a different beast altogether
like you can see in the example with the US, if you’re banned, the subforum doesn't even show up on your radar at all.
this whole business with permissions usually only pops up when a thread is, say, locked.
Jeffrey Cooper7 Jeffrey Cooper7 Active Member
55 messages
joined Jan 2011
#19 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:I guess that’s just a different beast altogether
like you can see in the example with the US, if you’re banned, the subforum doesn't even show up on your radar at all.
this whole business with permissions usually only pops up when a thread is, say, locked.

But the thread in the corner wasn't even locked, which is why I was so confused about why I couldn't post there.

Anyway, why am I getting zero response from you regarding everything I've laid out here? Why does it feel like everyone's just straight-up ignoring me? 🤷
amberangler99 amberangler99 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Mar 2011
#20 ·
He’s actually doing fine; I’ve got 15 strikes myself🤣

Am I going to be facing a ban anytime soon too?🤣

Strikes are easy to pick up. If you really want one, most people on LJES, US can get banned daily because someone is always posting something completely off-topic. Even if a strike expires, it still counts as a warning. It doesn't matter if the penalty period ended🤷

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