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Jack Wood43 said:Look at you being all humble. 😛

Is it okay if I ever mention in real life that we exchanged messages via DM 😍, since you were the one who reached out, just so people know I'm not some total loser?

For what it's worth, I'm not a boycotter either—that's a connection I'm actually proud of.

Peace be upon you.

🙂

Can I actually say that in real life—like, "Hey, we've been messaging on DM"...? 😍Since you asked, I'll just say this—I'm definitely not totally clueless...

I'm definitely not a boycotter either... that connection is something I'm actually really proud of!

Aleikum!

🙂

rowdyhawk10 said:It’s a shame. This was someone who managed to put up exactly 172,000 posts in less than 10 months. 🙄

ruggedwolf said:Kate Phillips40
Honestly, you’re the one who should be feeling embarrassed here!
Did you even bother reading what I actually wrote? Where did I ever claim that something forbidden was permitted? Just go ahead—try and find a single post of mine where I advocated for anything prohibited. Find me one post on this topic where I insulted anyone. My actual stance was simply that marrying a non-Muslim is forbidden (and no, before you ask, I am not married to a non-Muslim)—that it is a major sin, yes, but that such an act doesn't take a person out of the faith, which aligns perfectly with the position held by the Islamic Community. After I shared that view, people started attacking me for it, not to mention the direct and indirect insults hurled at Sister Sunnah, who is married to a Catholic. How can you lie about this so easily?!

There—take it and look for yourself! You’re trying to make a fool out of me and convince me of something that just isn't true. Just look at the reactions from those watching from the sidelines at the end of the thread—what did they see? Did they see me insulting anyone or anyone else? Just read it!

Kate Phillips40 said:ruggedwolf, I also made that point very clear. If you keep pushing someone to do things that are forbidden, they’ll eventually hit a breaking point and walk away from their faith..
So you're just... Partially. You were right when you said that specific act doesn't kick someone out of the faith right now—that’s true. But my point above is also true, unless you want me to start listing all my arguments for it?

Sister, the way you're arguing with the brothers so aggressively is honestly beyond reproach. Couldn't you have just handled this in a private message instead of making such a scene? Every argument that leads to unrest and fighting should be shut down by all Muslims, especially in public spaces like a Reddit thread.

Don't get me wrong, but this really isn't how an American sister should act. It’s also not how any brother in the faith should behave—publicly pushing for an argument or trying to force a debate that could have easily been handled in a private message.

That’s all from me. I'd just ask that you don't keep bringing up the same topic with me here on Reddit, otherwise we're just going to stir up even more trouble together.
If you want to dive deeper into this, check out my Reddit thread here:Get to know Islam.

That’s how we could actually settle some of these debates in a much more serious way.

Hey everyone! Hope you're all doing great.

Kate Phillips40 said:Yeah, that’s pretty interesting.
But honestly, I think you’d feel just as much "sadness" if I had personally written those 172,000 posts. Look at all the other users here who have posted thousands of times—doing way more work than dozens of other Americans combined—yet you aren't "mourning" them the same way, right?🤷

And regarding your little call-out about responsibility when you say:

"11. And about insulting Scott Nguyen2, Kate Phillips40, and the rest of this fan club, of course they won't say a word. It's important to step on rowdyhawk10 just to cover up Dervish's insult to you: "

-that was strictly a Dervish situation, which is why I'm not boycotting anything here. But if you're personally curious about my take on it, and why I didn't say anything regarding that unfortunate situation and the improper behavior from a woman like ruggedwolf, I think it's pointless to even comment on it.

If scholars have clearly stated that something like that (an interfaith marriage involving a Muslim woman) is forbidden, and there are arguments straight from the Islamic Science, is it really standard practice for a Muslim woman to argue so aggressively with brothers on a forum like this? It's not certain, and you're playing the "tough guy" whenever you want at the expense of Islam, acting like you can face God while I supposedly can't, rowdyhawk10—even if it were my own sister writing it. If someone persists in a heavy sin that is undeniably forbidden, they inevitably reach a point where they leave the faith. That's clear to any educated Muslim. There's a reason people say:

“To err is human, but to persist in error is the work of the devil.”

Don't try to claim I'm targeting ruggedwolf directly, because she didn't explicitly say she was in an interfaith marriage or anything. I am strictly talking about anyone who would stubbornly stick to something they know is a major sin and is forbidden by the consensus of the scholars.

I'm also not defending the harsh words that user received from that other lady (a housewife, I think), because it would have been much better if her sister had sent her a private message with good intentions to explain that this isn't how a Muslim sister behaves—stubbornly arguing with so many brothers just to cause chaos and stir up anger. She didn't just insist on making trouble over this point; she tried to do the same thing with other topics on the Islam 114 thread. Honestly, I stopped reading her posts after that.

The fact that you support these outbursts tells me you don't actually care about discussing Islam correctly here. If people want to accept it, fine; if not, they can leave—it's better that way for them.

If I were in ruggedwolf's shoes, I wouldn't be getting banned for 15 days just to come back and keep rambling. I'd be too embarrassed to ever show my face on this Reddit again.

Well, you caught me on a technicality, so I'll tell you.😉

Also, I'm not making excuses for the harsh words she received from that one user (a housewife, I think), because it would have been much better if that sister had just sent her a private message with good intentions to explain that this isn't how an American sister should act—stubbornly picking fights with so many brothers just to cause total chaos and provoke anger/QUOTE]

Man... listen to all this harsh talk
Why is it that nobody actually reads the context of what I was talking about? Instead, everyone just immediately "latches on" to one specific word—pulling it right out of the sentence—and stubbornly tries to label it as me being insulting
Look, if I did offend someone (assuming my posts are somehow "wrong"), it’s only because they clearly saw themselves reflected in the "sharpness" of what I wrote
So, what, I was supposed to play nice and engage in some polite little back-and-forth with ruggedwolf just to drag myself down into the exact kind of argument she's fishing for?
ruggedwolf acted all "defensive," when really, I'm just trying to carve out my own space for a real debate
Honestly, a smart person doesn't need much convincing!
And an apology will definitely be coming for anyone who realizes the message was meant for them!

Using that relentless "Monty Python" style logic, Dervish is actually trying to convince us in this thread that verse 4:141 proves some kind of "falling out of Islam." It’s obvious to any sane person that the verse in no way — not even in the most abstract possible combinations — refers to a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim. Even Monty Python couldn't make a stretch that ridiculous. But apparently, that's where FMN and Dervish are headed.

ruggedwolf said:Kate Phillips40
Honestly, you’re the one who should be feeling embarrassed here!
Did you even bother reading what I actually wrote? Where did I ever claim that something forbidden was permitted? Just go ahead—try and find a single post of mine where I advocated for anything prohibited. Find me one post on this topic where I insulted anyone. My actual stance was simply that marrying a non-Muslim is forbidden (and no, before you ask, I am not married to a non-Muslim)—that it is a major sin, yes, but that such an act doesn't take a person out of the faith, which aligns perfectly with the position held by the Islamic Community. After I shared that view, people started attacking me for it, not to mention the direct and indirect insults hurled at Sister Sunnah, who is married to a Catholic. How can you lie about this so easily?!

There—take it and look for yourself! You’re trying to make a fool out of me and convince me of something that just isn't true. Just look at the reactions from those watching from the sidelines at the end of the thread—what did they see? Did they see me insulting anyone or anyone else? Just read it!

Tyler Scott3 said:rowdyhawk10.

Using that relentless "Monty Python" style logic, Dervish is actually trying to convince us in this thread that verse 4:141 proves some kind of "falling out of Islam." It’s obvious to any sane person that the verse in no way — not even in the most abstract possible combinations — refers to a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim. Even Monty Python couldn't make a stretch that ridiculous. But apparently, that's where FMN and Dervish are headed.

For the first graders here:

Let me know when you and ruggedwolf finally wrap your heads around what's written there.

P.S. The blue text is a link you need to click, then read the text that pops up. Thx.

And stop spamming my thread. This whole thing is just a display of how incompetent moderators Nicole James and rowdyhawk10 are.
rowdyhawk10 can't grasp the text in the link, and Nicole James is biased—she knows it too, but she's just out there acting like she's got college duties to attend to...

rowdyhawk10 said:They aren't going to find a post like yours. They won't give it to you. You’re calling out someone who isn't even listening, and you're writing to someone who doesn't understand you—yet you still insist on playing the victim through trolling. Just another one of those people who acts tough when... In the mass.It’s possible they don't even understand you at all. Not Dervish, nor Jack Wood43... They just don't. They don't want to. Understood.

ruggedwolf, there's no point in calling out someone who isn't listening. I guess maybe you and I should just step away from this discussion altogether? 🙄 Don't you see there's just no real drive to get past this? It feels like we're just circling the drain instead. I honestly don't see what good comes from dragging this out any longer. To be fair, I'm only still here because you are, but it’s taking up a massive amount of my time and peace of mind. Can we please just walk away from this discussion once and for all? Peace.

ruggedwolf said:I know exactly what's written there, and I also know what isn't.

ruggedwolf said:Seriously, whose words were "heated"? Mine? Where?
I mean, did you even read the thread and see who was actually acting un-Islamic? You want to know what un-Islamic behavior looks like? It's acting all arrogant and condescending, putting yourself above everyone else as if you hold some sinless moral high ground, pointing fingers at other people's sins, shaming them, trying to cast them out of Islam in the name of God, spitting on their faith, mocking and belittling people, and threatening them with hellfire—all while claiming to be a Muslim! Who gives you that authority? Who gives anyone the right to decide where someone else belongs? Only God knows what's in our hearts and who is truly a believer; He is the one who judges. I wouldn't dare try to expose someone else's sins, nor would I presume to judge who is a Muslim and who isn't! And yes, I am standing firm in my views, whether you like it or not. I have every right to them. I didn't insult anyone there—it was actually the exact opposite! Are you now going to take away my right to express myself too? You find my stance shameful, yet you don't find all those insults shameful? Unbelievable.

P.S. Forgive me if I don't consider you any more competent than the leadership of the American Islamic Community when it comes to this or any other matter, so your claim that I'm "persisting" in something that is only partially true really falls flat.

rowdyhawk10 said:They aren't going to find a post like yours. They won't give it to you. You’re calling out someone who isn't even listening, and you're writing to someone who doesn't understand you—yet you still insist on playing the victim through trolling. Just another one of those people who acts tough when... In the mass.It’s possible they don't even understand you at all. Not Dervish, nor Jack Wood43... They just don't. They don't want to. Understood.

ruggedwolf, there's no point in calling out someone who isn't listening. I guess maybe you and I should just step away from this discussion altogether? 🙄 Don't you see there's just no real drive to get past this? It feels like we're just circling the drain instead. I honestly don't see what good comes from dragging this out any longer. To be fair, I'm only still here because you are, but it’s taking up a massive amount of my time and peace of mind. Can we please just walk away from this discussion once and for all? Peace.

Tyler Scott3 said:rowdyhawk10.

Using that relentless "Monty Python" style logic, Dervish is actually trying to convince us in this thread that verse 4:141 proves some kind of "falling out of Islam." It’s obvious to any sane person that the verse in no way — not even in the most abstract possible combinations — refers to a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim. Even Monty Python couldn't make a stretch that ridiculous. But apparently, that's where FMN and Dervish are headed.

For the first graders here:

Let me know when you and ruggedwolf finally wrap your heads around what's written there.

P.S. The blue text is a link you need to click, then read the text that pops up. Thx.

And stop spamming my thread. This whole thing is just a display of how incompetent moderators Nicole James and rowdyhawk10 are.
rowdyhawk10 can't grasp the text in the link, and Nicole James is biased—she knows it too, but she's just out there acting like she's got college duties to attend to...

dustybear7 said:I followed the moderator's advice and sent you a private message
but you didn't reply
so I guess I'll just address you here instead
Try to be consistent with yourself for once
Don't cling so desperately to your own "wisdom" just because you can't control your ego
Try being more of a woman (the way God intended us to be) and less of a... (honestly, there's only one word for it, but I better shut up before the mods ban me. Plus, people will just say, "Oh look, she thinks she's such a devout Muslim, yet she talks like that")
Well, they'll see who she really is without me even saying it, I bet
Such an "ambitious" lady!

Wishing you all the best!!!!

Try acting more like a woman (the way God intended) and less like... (there's really just one word to describe how rude that was, but I'll bite my tongue looking at this. And then they'll go, "Oh, look at her pretending to be a devout Muslim while saying such nasty things")
she’d be easy to spot even without those words, I bet...
such an ambitious lady!

wishing you all the best!!!!

dustybear7 said:There's nowhere left for us to actually speak our minds, so I'm done. That's it.

Tyler Scott3 said:rowdyhawk10.

Using that relentless "Monty Python" style logic, Dervish is actually trying to convince us in this thread that verse 4:141 proves some kind of "falling out of Islam." It’s obvious to any sane person that the verse in no way — not even in the most abstract possible combinations — refers to a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim. Even Monty Python couldn't make a stretch that ridiculous. But apparently, that's where FMN and Dervish are headed.

For the first graders here:

Let me know when you and ruggedwolf finally wrap your heads around what's written there.

P.S. The blue text is a link you need to click, then read the text that pops up. Thx.

And stop spamming my thread. This whole thing is just a display of how incompetent moderators Nicole James and rowdyhawk10 are.
rowdyhawk10 can't grasp the text in the link, and Nicole James is biased—she knows it too, but she's just out there acting like she's got college duties to attend to...

rowdyhawk10 said:rowdyhawk10.

For first graders.
Once you and ruggedwolf finally wrap your heads around what’s actually written there, let me know.
P.S. The blue text represents links you should click on, and then you can read whatever pops up after that. Thanks.[/I]

Man, brother... listen.
Look, get this straight. Nobody is claiming it’s actually permitted. No one is saying it isn't a sin, either. We're simply stating that it doesn't result in leaving Islam—and honestly, we settled that debate a long time ago, didn't we? Semek already laid it out. [Link] Straight from the official Islamic Community of America website. Here it is: A Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim is considered a major sin, though it doesn't technically take her out of the faith. So, I suppose her prayers, fasting, and other good deeds would still be valid...This discussion really should have ended already. I guess there isn't much point in dragging it out further. You might want to remember that you're in the same position yourself. Here. He actually wrote that he was mistaken?!?! 🙄 It was quite nice of you to say that back then.

And one more thing. FMN wasn't banned because of ruggedwolf, I swear to God! It was actually because of what he said to Salaf: I’d honestly be happy to take a three-day ban... because I’ll just tell you exactly what you are—a complete idiot, a total jerk, and so on. So go ahead, ban me now. I'm not entirely sure exactly what he said or what kind of insults he threw out there. But apparently, that's why he got banned, rather than for citing Quranic Verse 4.141. Personally, I feel like he only cost us about 30 points. Honestly, the world wouldn't have ended, and FMN could have just kept posting on Reddit.

Dervish, I swear by whatever you hold most dear, please don't let these trolls get to you anymore. You were so kind yesterday, checking in on me, Nicole James, and everyone else. Kenneth Peterson5 was absolutely thrilled, and honestly, I was too. I suspect you were feeling pretty good about it as well. A lot of us felt that sense of connection. So why go back to this? Why would you let a few trolls slide into your DMs and manipulate you into thinking you somehow "betrayed" the cause? I suppose one might wonder when exactly what you accomplished yesterday actually counted as a true victory.Can we please go back to yesterday’s decision? It seems like a lot of people are getting emotional over this. You should really get back to discussing Religion with everyone else; I guess this isn't the only thing Islam has to offer. Keep fighting the good fight. Maybe try reaching out to ruggedwolf in a private message to clear the air? Connect with the Sunnah again. Listen to what Bradley Davis33 has to say. We need to breathe some life back into the Techie community. Let's stand up against those who want to undermine us and enrich Islam-114. There are so many topics waiting for answers. Just... maybe don't keep going down that path with ruggedwolf. Perhaps you two just aren't seeing eye to eye. Please come back to the Reddit community; it's becoming far too costly otherwise. Is our community really meant to be destroyed like this? What is the actual price of that? Peace.

Tyler Scott3 said:You really don't get it. Fine, you're narrow-minded. Whatever. It is what it is.

Anyway, peace be upon you. I thought you were a bad person, but you're just limited. It's not a big deal. At least you're healthy.👍