Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

nimbleviper3 said:If that’s actually the case, then what is the point of having intelligence agencies at all?...

she actually managed to escape the very next day along with her daughter 🤦

Amanda Allen4 said:Well, clearly "professional" soldiers signed contracts to kill and be killed for a paycheck—and apparently, every contract must be honored, right?

What about civilians?

Man, the speed at which the CIA/FBI closes a criminal investigation is seriously impressive.

https://twitter.com/dpjankowski/stat...RgkUdcc_A&s=19

goldenowl73 said:The FBI has officially leveled accusations against a Ukrainian woman, Natalia Vovk, claiming she was the one who planted the bomb that killed Daria Dugina. Apparently, she showed up with her daughter to the exact same event the Dugins were attending. This Ukrainian woman then just headed straight back to Estonia the very next day after the blast.

The FBI has officially accused the Ukrainian intelligence community of murdering Daria Dugina. They've identified the bomber as Natalia Vovk, a woman in her early 40s who was visiting Moscow with her daughter. They attended the same event as the Dugins on Saturday evening (where the bomb was presumably attached to Dugina's vehicle in the parking lot). Vovk and her daughter returned to Estonia, the day after the bombing.

So, case closed, right? Terrorists just stroll right into the middle of Moscow with their kids, plant an explosive, and then breeze out of town the next day without a single hiccup. It sounds totally believable to me! And of course, it's looking like all the CCTV cameras in the entire vicinity just happened to be broken at the exact right moment. Yea

☕They aren't even spies anymore, now they're dragging eleven-year-olds along with them...🤣🤣 What a load of garbage. Unbelievable.

Justin Mendoza16 said:☕They aren't even spies anymore, now they're dragging eleven-year-olds along with them...🤣🤣 What a load of garbage. Unbelievable.

The kid was probably just tagging along while she was busy rigging up an explosive device for the car.
Maybe the little girl was just trying to be a helpful assistant. 😬

Amanda Allen4 said:Well, clearly "professional" soldiers signed contracts to kill and be killed for a paycheck—and apparently, every contract must be honored, right?

Here’s how I see the next move: Professional soldiers in Russia can technically resign or leave the service whenever they want—unless there's an official state of war, which strips them of that right. Since Russia isn't officially calling this a war, but rather a "special military operation," they don't actually have the legal standing to force those soldiers to stay if they choose to walk. But let's be real—Russia and the rule of law are two entirely different things. That’s why they just throw those soldiers in jail, run them through sham trials, and use threats to keep them in line.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:The kid was probably just tagging along while she was busy rigging up an explosive device for the car.
Maybe the little girl was just trying to be a helpful assistant. 😬

☕Yeah, sure, because a kid is definitely walking around carrying screwdrivers and pliers 🤣so Mom doesn't have to crawl under the car while she works. 🤣This is some straight-up sitcom nonsense...

Justin Mendoza16 said:☕Yeah, sure, because a kid is definitely walking around carrying screwdrivers and pliers 🤣so Mom doesn't have to crawl under the car while she works. 🤣This is some straight-up sitcom nonsense...

A 12-year-old girl🤣

According to the FBI, on the day of the assassination, Vovk and her 12-year-old daughter were attending a literary and music festival where Dugina was the guest of honor. The FBI claims that after planting the bomb under the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado Dugina was driving, Vovk and her daughter fled Russia through the Pskov region and entered Estonia.

Sam Alvarez4 said:The woman who claimed the Bucha massacre was just some Ukrainian setup involving civilian corpses to make the Russian military look bad... she doesn't even deserve a mention.
Everyone gets what they deserve...

I don't have much else to add.
Bravo, Anti 👍

Perspectives from Sergej Sumlenny, an expert on Eastern Europe:

When we look at the question of "who might be behind the death of Darya Dugina," we really have to untangle several different threads here.
1) Dugina was a dedicated and significant Nazi propagandist and a party member, but she was nowhere near being a superstar in Russia. In Ukraine, she wasn't even a household name;

Her father, Alexander Dugin, was far more prominent. However, he wasn't nearly as influential as he would have us believe. The Kremlin would take his ideas, steal them, co-opt them, and use them, but he himself was never permitted to belong to the inner circle of the Kremlin. He was always essentially a third-rate celebrity;

So, who was the actual target—him or her? The car was registered in the father's name, and according to some of his friends, he was supposed to be the one driving it. It’s entirely possible he was the intended target (given he was the more visible figure). The only way she could have been the target is if HE planned the assassination himself;

Let me elaborate on that. It isn't quite as strange as it might seem. Dugin has always been a philosopher of death cults and sacrifice. He constantly preached that the experience of death is the ultimate reality. He was a harbinger of doom. Within his "Eurasian" ideology, the idea of a powerful Father sacrificing his daughter's life could actually be seen as something titanic—a way to trigger supernatural forces and bolster his own weakened standing. Be like a legendary king. Still, this is just one theory. I just want to say, it’s not unthinkable. What else is on the table?

The Russian FBI or other factions within the Kremlin. I’d say that is the most realistic scenario. There could be two very different motives at play here:
1) Escalating the war by playing the "Ukrainians are killing us in Moscow!" card.
2) An exit strategy designed to tell the hawks to "shut up."

I realize those motives are polar opposites. But that shouldn't surprise anyone. Within the leadership of the FBI, there can be diverging ideologies and conflicting orders. You can easily imagine certain groups wanting to ramp up the conflict while others are looking for a way out.

Dugin could be a target for both groups—because it doesn't actually matter if he was the intended victim (and killed in a successful strike), what matters is the information campaign that follows. Either "We must retaliate!" or "Look at the madness Dugin brought upon us."

Could Ukrainian commandos be behind this attack? I doubt it. Dugin wasn't even among the top-tier Russian propagandists. To Ukrainians, he wasn't the face of Russian aggression. Skabeyeva, Solovyov, Tolstoy, Kiseljov, or Simonjan—any of them would have been a much more logical target.

And, of course, we shouldn't overlook the cannibalistic tendencies within the radical right-wing Russian groups. Could someone there simply hate Dugina? Of course. And do these people know how to plant bombs? Absolutely; many of them have fought in Ukraine. This motive cannot be ignored.

In any case, for practical reasons, it is vital to watch how the Kremlin chooses to spin this news. Even if it wasn't the Kremlin itself, they will certainly exploit the explosion. This attack occurred in a luxury district in Odintsovo, where all the ministers and Putin himself maintain their villas; they will make sure to use it.

We will see very soon what kind of profit the Kremlin (and other far-right elements) will attempt to squeeze out of the death of the Nazi propagandist Darya Dugina.

UPDATE: In an article from April 2020, Alexander Dugin clearly wrote that certain parts of the elite should be cherished for one specific purpose—to be killed (sacrificed) during turbulent times so that society can magically redeem its lost favor with the gods. Sound familiar?


UPDATE 2: On his far-right esoteric website "Arctogaea," Alexander Dugin featured a massive article regarding the ancient mystical tradition of child sacrifice, including the case of a father sacrificing his own daughter: https://t.co/FKInI4rVxI

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Sergej Sumlenny is a journalist, political scientist, and author originally from Russia. While based in Moscow, he worked for the prominent German broadcaster ARD and served as the editor-in-chief for news programming at the Russian business network RBC-TV. His background includes extensive research into post-war German political journalism, supported by a fellowship granted by the German Chancellor. Since 2005, he has been living between Frankfurt and Berlin, contributing his analysis to the leading Russian economic magazine, Expert.

goldenowl73 said:The FBI has officially leveled accusations against a Ukrainian woman, Natalia Vovk, claiming she was the one who planted the bomb that killed Daria Dugina. Apparently, she showed up with her daughter to the exact same event the Dugins were attending. This Ukrainian woman then just headed straight back to Estonia the very next day after the blast.

The FBI has officially accused the Ukrainian intelligence community of murdering Daria Dugina. They've identified the bomber as Natalia Vovk, a woman in her early 40s who was visiting Moscow with her daughter. They attended the same event as the Dugins on Saturday evening (where the bomb was presumably attached to Dugina's vehicle in the parking lot). Vovk and her daughter returned to Estonia, the day after the bombing.

So, case closed, right? Terrorists just stroll right into the middle of Moscow with their kids, plant an explosive, and then breeze out of town the next day without a single hiccup. It sounds totally believable to me! And of course, it's looking like all the CCTV cameras in the entire vicinity just happened to be broken at the exact right moment. Yea

No. We all know that Natalya was nothing more than... camouflage. The real star of this little drama was clearly the bloodthirsty ninja known as her twelve-year-old daughter, Sofia.🤦

Benjamin Taylor6 said:The kid was probably just tagging along while she was busy rigging up an explosive device for the car.
Maybe the little girl was just trying to be a helpful assistant. 😬

I mean, obviously. A kid has smaller fingers, so it’s way easier to handle those tiny, intricate wiring details.

You can see how she’s basically talking to herself here—no real investigation even needed. ☕

There’s also the matter of Dugin’s own insanity; he is a complete lunatic, and frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the speculation regarding an attempt to liquidate his own child turns out to be the grim reality.

Alexander Dugin is the head of the so-called International Eurasian Movement, which he established back in 2003. He harbors delusions of a global empire that stretches, quite vividly, from Dublin all the way to Vladivostok, led by Russia. Naturally, the antithesis of this empire is the USA, serving as the primary symbol of the hated "West."

To justify this dominant position, he peddles an ideology centered on the superiority of certain European races. What might seem like mere eccentricity actually carries tangible political weight. For instance, in 2014, Dugin was ousted from his position at Moscow State University, a chair that had essentially been created specifically for him. The reason was his incitement of genocide against Ukrainians. During a television interview, he explicitly shouted: "I think you have to kill, kill, and kill!"

In Dugin's view, Ukrainians represent a "degenerate race." At the time, over 10,000 people demanded his removal. After being fired, he worked as an editor for two television channels under the employ of the ultra-nationalist Russian oligarch Konstantin Malofeev. By the spring of 2017, he was forced to step down from that role as well, having become too radical even by the standards of the ultra-nationalists.

In his significant 1992 work, Great Continental War, Dugin presents his interpretation of recent human history. According to him, ancient secret orders of "Atlantic" and "Eurasian" factions have been fighting an "occult pun war" behind the scenes. Within the "Eurasian" group during the 20th century, a split emerged between "Red" and "White Eurasians," with the latter maintaining close ties to German National Socialism.

But why is Dugin considered a generator of ideas for Putin? One answer lies in his membership in the influential Election Club, a circle he belongs to. This group, believed to be funded by interests within the Russian defense industry, published the "Big Breakthrough" strategy in 2013 as its first major report. The points laid out in that report mirror the policies of Vladimir Putin. However, there is no concrete evidence of direct organizational influence over Russian politics, though his ideological impact is undeniable.

https://www.semiosis.at/2018/01/19/r...mmt-nach-wien/

The guy reads like he crawled straight out of some obscure North American tabloid sites.

hollowdriver13 said:I mean, obviously. A kid has smaller fingers, so it’s way easier to handle those tiny, intricate wiring details.

You can see how she’s basically talking to herself here—no real investigation even needed. ☕

Here's some more proof for you guys. Of course, Natalie lost her Azov membership card right during the mission.

Kremlin-linked media is posting what they say is Natalie Volk’s ID card, which identifies her as a member of the nationalist Azov regiment.

Not exactly the smartest thing to carry around when you're plotting a car bombing in Russia https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status...260ttbGNxNDAwA

Jessica Peterson2 said:No. We all know that Natalya was nothing more than... camouflage. The real star of this little drama was clearly the bloodthirsty ninja known as her twelve-year-old daughter, Sofia.🤦

She isn't just some kid; she represents a specific breed of elite Ukrainian warrior that you see being profiled constantly in Russian state media.
It’s a deceptive thing—you look at her and see a little girl, but in reality, you're looking at a pocket-sized Ukrainian superhero, engineered through American viruses within those specialized biological labs over there.
The newest generation of warfare.

Any lingering doubts about this being an internal, neo-fascist SPACKA operation have been completely erased. It is devastatingly clear that villains manufactured this just to fuel their next wave of atrocities.

Jessica Peterson2 said:No. We all know that Natalya was nothing more than... camouflage. The real star of this little drama was clearly the bloodthirsty ninja known as her twelve-year-old daughter, Sofia.🤦

I suppose it might be this

cosmicgull52 said:Any lingering doubts about this being an internal, neo-fascist SPACKA operation have been completely erased. It is devastatingly clear that villains manufactured this just to fuel their next wave of atrocities.

goldenowl73 is already convinced it was Azov—which seems pretty obvious given the timing. They’re likely eyeing August 24th to start those prisoner trials in Mariupol, using them as more justification for "ukronationism," calling them terrorists, and all that. Some people are even worried there might be an attack during the trial itself to kill them off.
The real question, though—and it's a big one—is how someone labeled a terrorist by Russia could move in and out of the country so easily🤔?
It feels a lot like what happened before Olenivka, when they suddenly ramped up those interviews where prisoners "confess" to crimes, along with videos from Mariupol residents.
Now, the locals in Mariupol are mostly saying there wasn't any Russian army in the city🤔, just the Ukrainians who were committing the crimes—and once the Russians showed up, they apparently just retreated toward Azovstal.

It’s obvious right away that she’s just a lookalike. If it were actually Natalie, she definitely would have left a copy of Mein Kampf in the rental, if not right on the nightstand next to her daughter.☕

Timothy Williams5 said:There’s also the matter of Dugin’s own insanity; he is a complete lunatic, and frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the speculation regarding an attempt to liquidate his own child turns out to be the grim reality.

Alexander Dugin is the head of the so-called International Eurasian Movement, which he established back in 2003. He harbors delusions of a global empire that stretches, quite vividly, from Dublin all the way to Vladivostok, led by Russia. Naturally, the antithesis of this empire is the USA, serving as the primary symbol of the hated "West."

To justify this dominant position, he peddles an ideology centered on the superiority of certain European races. What might seem like mere eccentricity actually carries tangible political weight. For instance, in 2014, Dugin was ousted from his position at Moscow State University, a chair that had essentially been created specifically for him. The reason was his incitement of genocide against Ukrainians. During a television interview, he explicitly shouted: "I think you have to kill, kill, and kill!"

In Dugin's view, Ukrainians represent a "degenerate race." At the time, over 10,000 people demanded his removal. After being fired, he worked as an editor for two television channels under the employ of the ultra-nationalist Russian oligarch Konstantin Malofeev. By the spring of 2017, he was forced to step down from that role as well, having become too radical even by the standards of the ultra-nationalists.

In his significant 1992 work, Great Continental War, Dugin presents his interpretation of recent human history. According to him, ancient secret orders of "Atlantic" and "Eurasian" factions have been fighting an "occult pun war" behind the scenes. Within the "Eurasian" group during the 20th century, a split emerged between "Red" and "White Eurasians," with the latter maintaining close ties to German National Socialism.

But why is Dugin considered a generator of ideas for Putin? One answer lies in his membership in the influential Election Club, a circle he belongs to. This group, believed to be funded by interests within the Russian defense industry, published the "Big Breakthrough" strategy in 2013 as its first major report. The points laid out in that report mirror the policies of Vladimir Putin. However, there is no concrete evidence of direct organizational influence over Russian politics, though his ideological impact is undeniable.

https://www.semiosis.at/2018/01/19/r...mmt-nach-wien/

The guy reads like he crawled straight out of some obscure North American tabloid sites.

It’s hard to pin down exactly what Alex Dugin is all about. To me, he seems obsessed with cults, ritual sacrifices, and that whole dark vibe. If I remember correctly, he actually argued that Chikatilo should be treated like some kind of saint—given sacraments and everything. Now, Chikatilo was a literal serial killer, but Dugin claimed he became one with his victims through those murders. Even for the ultra-extremists, he went way too far. After he called for the killing of Ukrainians, he lost his professor job and eventually got kicked off TV, too.
But, personally, I don't think he holds any interest for Americans, especially not his daughter. My gut feeling? The FBI is likely behind this and will definitely find a way to exploit the situation. Maybe they'll ramp up the intensity of the war or something else entirely.